[Advanced] Lost Mafia--Game Over!

[Darthe]

With 15 alive, it takes 8 to lynch

Vote Count

Eldrick(1): Shad

NotBob(2): bop, Darthe

Darthe(3): NB, tiink, TRL

Calder (2): AJ, Lenlor

Sooh (1): Bewbs McGee

Aj (1): Calder

 

Not Voting: Everyone Else

 

Countdown: https://www.timeanddate.com/countdown/vacation?iso=20161218T13&p0=75&msg=End+of+Day+1&font=cursive

Lol im top votegetter?

[Darthe]

 

Bold is fair but to clarify I wasn't really using that as a reason to make a read, just more so commenting that I didn't think she was lying about being busy to like actively lurk or something. I tend to take people for their word on that sort of thing.

 

I liked #967, #970 and #972 in particular.

 

As far as being outside of her scum range I wouldn't really be able to say because I don't think I've seen a full fledged naughty!Sooh game before so idk what she could be capable of. I don't think she's particularly a hard townie to spot though. Her analysis is pretty sharp from what I've seen having just modded for her in Hackers.

Stuff like this is why I like AJ for villager.

 

We've progressed on the same people for similar reasons and where we disagree I've felt his points have merit.

 

When he's a wolf we don't usually see eye-to-eye much.

 

It manifests more when he's pushing lynches than when he's hunting villagers which is why I think I'll have a better grasp if/when this game escalates, but he's probably villa.

Yeah you're both clean this game imo, lotta good townie play from quite a few folks so far

[Darthe]

I legit don't see why Darthe is the top train atm.

Its a symptom of playing with notbob, basically makes me a beloved princess. Tinks voting me because he is a wolf and I picked him out already. Random is voting me because I scared him with my alpha wolfplay last game, that usually happens too my next game after I wolf.

[bopolis]

 

 

 

Its..Its hard to say, exactly. What do you mean by situational ethics?

 

With him, the progression in thread for him, the way his reads change, it just doesn't feel fake to me.

We should not change the nature of the crime by the person who commits it. You suggested my play was "strange" because I was too neutral...now we see the same thing in Eldrick and you're OK with it. This is looks like Situational Ethics. It's early so I will not vote you for it here but it's something that bears watching.

But it does. All humans are different and should be treated as such. If I do something, it has different implications than if someone like say, AJ, did it. We are two different people with different playstyles.

Id appreciate seeing more folks weigh in on the whole situational ethics bit. Hally has a good response but I think it's an alignment indicative post for NB and I honestly dont know what I think of it.

 

 

I think NB is pushing alot of villagers

 

(shad, eldrick, Nyn) and his reasoning i don't follow or i find weak(for example shad because post count and eldrick to clear the chaff)

 

AJ said he's a straightforward read and a straight shooter early in the day then last night he said i need to throw out conventional wisdom to read NB. That puzzled me a bit since the two posts are contradictory IMO(throwing out conventional wisdom contradicts with straightforwardness). Also while people have agreed that NB seems wolfy, there appears to be a palpable resistance to voting his wagon since it couldn't get above a couple votes.

[Andrej]

We've got 45 minutes?

[bopolis]

We've got 45 minutes?

 

 

aye

[Darthe]

 

 

Darthe - Being weird. #889 - Why is this a good post? I’m not sure what the point of this post was. I really don’t think it was like massively insightful into the alignment of Shad and it seems strange that of all Shad’s post, that one in particular stood out to him.

#918 - ??

#914 - Not sure how characteristically Darthe this is. Seems like he’s making some overly obvious reads and going out of his way to state how some very ordinary posts are good and others are bad.

 

Shad - Leaning town. It's the tone more than anything else. I haven't really seen him as aggressive as this early on D1 but imo he's got the tendency to overthink things and I can't be sure if he's got a scum read on DPR or if his frustration is more with finding out exactly how DPR thinks. I can chalk up his aggression to more that more than him entering the game as scum and overcompensating. Don't think the interaction with Eldrick is meaningful.

Red's a good question.

Blue what do you mean by "overly obvious" reads and what's the connection with #914 specifically here?

 

Last bit, I don't have a scum read on anyone at the moment.

@Blue, someone made a blood thirsty post so he's ready to call them a wolf. There's just something about his posts that seem off. Usually when I've played with Darthe he'll say something along the lines of "This person is scum. I don't know why anyone would see otherwise." and usually there's plenty of reasons imo to disagree with him. NB's post is too easy to comment as scummy and it just seems unlike Darthe in that regard.

He's following the same trend of just making statements without giving reasons, but usually his posts have this sound like he thinks he's already figured out the game and I haven't seen it here yet and I wouldn't be surprised if that's because he's a wolf and isn't really trying.

Nebulous and vaguely incriminating wolf read noted but not really trying =! Wolf darthe. Never.

[Darthe]

I'd prefer a Calder lynch. Sooh or DPR also work fine for me. I'm not contributing to a Darthe or AJ lynch. Decide where you want this day to go and consider my vote on any of those 3 I mentioned when doing math, cause I'm picking one of them.

 

Visiting family so on mobile. Will check again in 30 min.

Why would an aj lynch even be a thing? Also surprised youre not more apathetic regarding myself

[Andrej]

I think NB is pushing alot of villagers

 

(shad, eldrick, Nyn) and his reasoning i don't follow or i find weak(for example shad because post count and eldrick to clear the chaff)

 

AJ said he's a straightforward read and a straight shooter early in the day then last night he said i need to throw out conventional wisdom to read NB. That puzzled me a bit since the two posts are contradictory IMO(throwing out conventional wisdom contradicts with straightforwardness). Also while people have agreed that NB seems wolfy, there appears to be a palpable resistance to voting his wagon since it couldn't get above a couple votes.

 

I don't think they are contradictory.

 

By conventional wisdom I am talking about exactly why you are suspicious of him. Townies aren't supposed to say they're okay with killing other possible townies to clear the board so it's less muddy and the real scum will be more obvious, but that's NotBob in a nutshell.

 

What you see is what you get.

[Hallia]

 

 

 

Its..Its hard to say, exactly. What do you mean by situational ethics?

 

With him, the progression in thread for him, the way his reads change, it just doesn't feel fake to me.

We should not change the nature of the crime by the person who commits it. You suggested my play was "strange" because I was too neutral...now we see the same thing in Eldrick and you're OK with it. This is looks like Situational Ethics. It's early so I will not vote you for it here but it's something that bears watching.

But it does. All humans are different and should be treated as such. If I do something, it has different implications than if someone like say, AJ, did it. We are two different people with different playstyles.

Id appreciate seeing more folks weigh in on the whole situational ethics bit. Hally has a good response but I think it's an alignment indicative post for NB and I honestly dont know what I think of it.

Awwwww, muffin!

[Darthe]

Hey

[Darthe]

 

I think NB is pushing alot of villagers

 

(shad, eldrick, Nyn) and his reasoning i don't follow or i find weak(for example shad because post count and eldrick to clear the chaff)

 

AJ said he's a straightforward read and a straight shooter early in the day then last night he said i need to throw out conventional wisdom to read NB. That puzzled me a bit since the two posts are contradictory IMO(throwing out conventional wisdom contradicts with straightforwardness). Also while people have agreed that NB seems wolfy, there appears to be a palpable resistance to voting his wagon since it couldn't get above a couple votes.

I don't think they are contradictory.

 

By conventional wisdom I am talking about exactly why you are suspicious of him. Townies aren't supposed to say they're okay with killing other possible townies to clear the board so it's less muddy and the real scum will be more obvious, but that's NotBob in a nutshell.

 

What you see is what you get.

Thats an interesting meta

[bopolis]

 

I think NB is pushing alot of villagers

 

(shad, eldrick, Nyn) and his reasoning i don't follow or i find weak(for example shad because post count and eldrick to clear the chaff)

 

AJ said he's a straightforward read and a straight shooter early in the day then last night he said i need to throw out conventional wisdom to read NB. That puzzled me a bit since the two posts are contradictory IMO(throwing out conventional wisdom contradicts with straightforwardness). Also while people have agreed that NB seems wolfy, there appears to be a palpable resistance to voting his wagon since it couldn't get above a couple votes.

 

I don't think they are contradictory.

 

By conventional wisdom I am talking about exactly why you are suspicious of him. Townies aren't supposed to say they're okay with killing other possible townies to clear the board so it's less muddy and the real scum will be more obvious, but that's NotBob in a nutshell.

 

What you see is what you get.

 

 

 

i see what you are saying, you're saying he's TWTBAW(too wolfy to be a wolf) as in he does things that look so wolfy that a wolf wouldn't do it(as in pushing people alot of the thread is considering town). 

[Andrej]

 

 

What's your thoughts on Calder?

  

I'm asking because he has most consistently called for your lynch without any real reason behind it while doing not much else of anything and I don't believe you've addressed that.

  

 

What's your thoughts on Calder?

 

Randomly pushing a lynch in the way he has seems incredibly obnoxious. For scum to do it and keep doing it this late into the day phase while providing absolutely zero other contribution seems like a ridiculously shitty way to draw attention to yourself. If he's scum, what would really be the point? I dunno, it would seem to be just a terrible play to me. On the other hand, it would appear he's almost succeeding given the amount of attention I'm getting. I can't believe I'm saying this but I'm leaning town.

  

 

 

What's your thoughts on Calder?

Randomly pushing a lynch in the way he has seems incredibly obnoxious. For scum to do it and keep doing it this late into the day phase while providing absolutely zero other contribution seems like a ridiculously shitty way to draw attention to yourself. If he's scum, what would really be the point? I dunno, it would seem to be just a terrible play to me. On the other hand, it would appear he's almost succeeding given the amount of attention I'm getting. I can't believe I'm saying this but I'm leaning town.

Town reading him for basically doing nothing makes it pretty easy to get away with, no?

  

 

 

 

What's your thoughts on Calder?

Randomly pushing a lynch in the way he has seems incredibly obnoxious. For scum to do it and keep doing it this late into the day phase while providing absolutely zero other contribution seems like a ridiculously shitty way to draw attention to yourself. If he's scum, what would really be the point? I dunno, it would seem to be just a terrible play to me. On the other hand, it would appear he's almost succeeding given the amount of attention I'm getting. I can't believe I'm saying this but I'm leaning town.

Town reading him for basically doing nothing makes it pretty easy to get away with, no?

 

I'm not town reading him for doing nothing. I'm town reading him for openly playing like a moron while seemingly sticking to his guns despite the fact he's going to obviously get flack for it.

 

Just a snapshot of Andreh egging Tiink against me. Andrej you read as scum to me here trying to pull Tiink in a fight against me so that you can have two townies go to war. You trying to setup both the D1 and D2 lynches at once by getting v/v against each other? Bc it sure reads that way to me.

 

[V]unvote

Vote Andrej[/v]

 

My vote is now frozen solid, locked in stone, whatever strong substance you prefer. I 100% guarentee AJ is scum.

 

Nice pivot buddy, but no dice.

 

Tiink was whining about people soft pushing his lynch and hadn't addressed his largest pusher (you) so I am making that sort of disconnect obvious. The fact he wants to Town read you for it is dumb and another disconnect in his thinking. I also wanted to make that obvious.

[bopolis]

i have a slight scum lean on random form his catch up post where he voted darthe,

 

Does anyone have a town lean on him? 

 

If not, can i suggest we think about consolidating there?

 

I'm leaning darthe as town and I don't want to see him be lynched and we seem to be having trouble coming ot a consensus on other options.

[Nynaeve]

In a game on JN, NB pushed me as a scum prospect even though he was town reading me. According to him, so I wouldn't be NKed. Or at least that's what he told me post game :P

 

He does weird sh*t. That's part of why he's a difficult read.

[Darthe]

 

 

I think NB is pushing alot of villagers

 

(shad, eldrick, Nyn) and his reasoning i don't follow or i find weak(for example shad because post count and eldrick to clear the chaff)

 

AJ said he's a straightforward read and a straight shooter early in the day then last night he said i need to throw out conventional wisdom to read NB. That puzzled me a bit since the two posts are contradictory IMO(throwing out conventional wisdom contradicts with straightforwardness). Also while people have agreed that NB seems wolfy, there appears to be a palpable resistance to voting his wagon since it couldn't get above a couple votes.

I don't think they are contradictory.

 

By conventional wisdom I am talking about exactly why you are suspicious of him. Townies aren't supposed to say they're okay with killing other possible townies to clear the board so it's less muddy and the real scum will be more obvious, but that's NotBob in a nutshell.

 

What you see is what you get.

 

i see what you are saying, you're saying he's TWTBAW(too wolfy to be a wolf) as in he does things that look so wolfy that a wolf wouldn't do it(as in pushing people alot of the thread is considering town).

He also does them as town to make his wolf game more difficult to discern though so ??? Give nb a day

[Andrej]

 

Tiink is town btw. I was wrong. AJ overplayed the situation. I have emerged from the tunnel and the light of the morning is bright.

 

I'll read through the long post after i'm done eating lunch, but fwiw I didn't like him trying to sell Sooh sounding "better" when she did absolutely nothing of the sort.

 

Why not bring this up at the time?

[DPR]

lol @ Shad.  Dude, you spinning my sarcastic remarks about typos is some of the weaker play I've seen. I get that you got yourself all worked up, son, but you gotta know the difference between watching pieces fall into place and pounding them in with a hammer. I am disappoint.

 

LOL @ Darther for jumping on that shit like it's a the golden trampoline of opportunity. 

 

Ima Vote: AJ with Calder.

 

I don't know yet if Shad is scum or just a spaz, and Darther might well be scum, but that'll only become more obvious. NB is much more dangerous to leave on the field, but I do at least understand his logic and that has value in my eyes. bop is a concern, but he'll show tells tomorrow that should be easy enough to spot. Eldrick, aside from cluttering the thread, is not as much of a threat as the thought leaders so he can roll. 

 

The rest will fall out soon enough. We get the bus drivers sorted and we'll have whole lot less static to work through. 

[Darthe]

i have a slight scum lean on random form his catch up post where he voted darthe,

 

Does anyone have a town lean on him?

 

If not, can i suggest we think about consolidating there?

 

I'm leaning darthe as town and I don't want to see him be lynched and we seem to be having trouble coming ot a consensus on other options.

Im good with it, he is bringing not even a tenth what he did his last game [unvote][v] random [/v]

[Darthe]

lol @ Shad. Dude, you spinning my sarcastic remarks about typos is some of the weaker play I've seen. I get that you got yourself all worked up, son, but you gotta know the difference between watching pieces fall into place and pounding them in with a hammer. I am disappoint.

 

LOL @ Darther for jumping on that shit like it's a the golden trampoline of opportunity.

 

Ima Vote: AJ with Calder.

 

I don't know yet if Shad is scum or just a spaz, and Darther might well be scum, but that'll only become more obvious. NB is much more dangerous to leave on the field, but I do at least understand his logic and that has value in my eyes. bop is a concern, but he'll show tells tomorrow that should be easy enough to spot. Eldrick, aside from cluttering the thread, is not as much of a threat as the thought leaders so he can roll.

 

The rest will fall out soon enough. We get the bus drivers sorted and we'll have whole lot less static to work through.

I would wreck you old man <3

[Nynaeve]

 

 

Tiink is town btw. I was wrong. AJ overplayed the situation. I have emerged from the tunnel and the light of the morning is bright.

 

I'll read through the long post after i'm done eating lunch, but fwiw I didn't like him trying to sell Sooh sounding "better" when she did absolutely nothing of the sort.

 

Why not bring this up at the time?

 

 

Pretty sure we had a conversation about Sooh. I obviously don't think she sounds better. You pointed out the posts of hers you liked in response, when I asked. I would say this constitutes as me "bringing it up".

[Shad_]

I didn't unvote, did I?

 

[unvote][v]DRP[/v]

[bopolis]

what haopens in the event of a tie?

[Shad_]

lol [v]DPR[/v] even