Danger in Demons Cove GAME OVER Villains win

[Sooh]

 

 

 

 

Ugh, I'd have to go back to remember exactly, but she seems to like to be on the lynch where the majority are.

 

 

I was thinking that was similar to my experience with her in Spirited Away, but I just went back to check and that wasn't really the case at all (at least based on vote counts).  It might be a little different because there is no hammer this game, but she wasn't on the board for EoD1, EoD2, EoD4, and obviously not D5.  The only time she was on the lynch was a middle spot on Seph D3.

 

I didn't pay enough attention to Caesar to really say either way.  Maybe I'll look into that later.

 

*shrug*

 

 

 

The core of my believing she's town is more what I was trying to explain yesterday. Scum Wifi knows how many scums there are in this game. She doesn't go out of her way to mathematically analyze how many scums she thinks is likely.

 

Hallia, do you believe that Wifi is capable of that level of deceit that I described above?

[Hallia]

I want Iron to weigh in - isn't he conf town now?

[Sooh]

 

Niniel's stubbornness on me is what sold me about her townieness. I can't see scum Niniel sticking to her vote on me when all others had changed their mind for as long as she did.

 

 

Tress could also be in my lynch pool actually. It's a bad sign that I can't really remember that she's in the game or what stances she has.

 

 

This is more or less where I'm at in regards to her.  What she's posted when she's been here has sounded pretty good and there's been some overlap in our reads that make me think she's looking at the thread the same way I do (I don't remember the last game I played with Tress, but I feel our reads typically aren't super different?).  But I definitely WANT to feel better about her than I do.

 

Pretty much, yes.

[Hallia]

She's played like 7 games in a row now - I think with a good team she could easily

[Clovdyx]

 

 

Ugh, I'd have to go back to remember exactly, but she seems to like to be on the lynch where the majority are.

 

 

I was thinking that was similar to my experience with her in Spirited Away, but I just went back to check and that wasn't really the case at all (at least based on vote counts).  It might be a little different because there is no hammer this game, but she wasn't on the board for EoD1, EoD2, EoD4, and obviously not D5.  The only time she was on the lynch was a middle spot on Seph D3.

 

I didn't pay enough attention to Caesar to really say either way.  Maybe I'll look into that later.

 

*shrug*

 

The core of my believing she's town is more what I was trying to explain yesterday. Scum Wifi knows how many scums there are in this game. She doesn't go out of her way to mathematically analyze how many scums she thinks is likely.

 

 

Bold - Absolutely...but that's kind of what concerns me.  I don't think any experienced player is going to assume four mafia in a 13 player game.  I know Wifi is still new, but your game was 3/13.  We had a discussion postgame about Nolder's numbers.  I want to think Wifi would default to three, not four?

 

I've never played with her as mafia, so I can't really agree or disagree with your last point, but that would be a really weird way to go about trying to townspew herself as mafia.

[Clovdyx]

I want Iron to weigh in - isn't he conf town now?

 

Unless there was some sort of manipulation going on (I said GF before, I guess there could have been redirection), yes.

[Wildfire Sedai]

I see this as being more of a possibility now:

 

Clovr

kat

tress

dice

 

I believe Ironeyes was cleared by Talmanes lynch and flip.  Clovr I am more convinced of than anyone that he's mafia. He reminds me of the experienced players that can act so townie that they make it to end game but are wolves.  tress has flown under the radar for the most part so .  Kat also flying under radar.  Need to ISO kat and tress for more info...might replace with hallia/turin????.  Dice has been less active than he normally is, though still kind of pushy, soo kind of a scum tell for him.  Sooh I believe to be town.  Turin and Hallia are both null to me still...they could go both ways...though I am leaning town for them both right now, even if hallia is voting me.    Hallia is also an experienced player who can town:talk her way to end game ie spirited away. Just saying.  

[Sooh]

 

 

 

Ugh, I'd have to go back to remember exactly, but she seems to like to be on the lynch where the majority are.

 

 

I was thinking that was similar to my experience with her in Spirited Away, but I just went back to check and that wasn't really the case at all (at least based on vote counts).  It might be a little different because there is no hammer this game, but she wasn't on the board for EoD1, EoD2, EoD4, and obviously not D5.  The only time she was on the lynch was a middle spot on Seph D3.

 

I didn't pay enough attention to Caesar to really say either way.  Maybe I'll look into that later.

 

*shrug*

 

The core of my believing she's town is more what I was trying to explain yesterday. Scum Wifi knows how many scums there are in this game. She doesn't go out of her way to mathematically analyze how many scums she thinks is likely.

 

 

Bold - Absolutely...but that's kind of what concerns me.  I don't think any experienced player is going to assume four mafia in a 13 player game.  I know Wifi is still new, but your game was 3/13.  We had a discussion postgame about Nolder's numbers.  I want to think Wifi would default to three, not four?

 

I've never played with her as mafia, so I can't really agree or disagree with your last point, but that would be a really weird way to go about trying to townspew herself as mafia.

 

No, if you look at her math she's basing it on the previous game. I don't think she would take into account the imbalance. 

[Clovdyx]

I know she is now, but I want to think she would see that discussion and think, "Oh, this is not the norm."

 

Then again...maybe not.

[Sooh]

 

I want Iron to weigh in - isn't he conf town now?

 

Unless there was some sort of manipulation going on (I said GF before, I guess there could have been redirection), yes.

 

I guess if town gets an IC, scum getting a GF isn't outside the realm of possibility.

[Sooh]

Too tired to think more about this game tonight. 

 

You people have fun and post up a storm. We need the content!

[Clovdyx]

 

I see this as being more of a possibility now:

 

Clovr

kat

tress

dice

 

I believe Ironeyes was cleared by Talmanes lynch and flip.  Clovr I am more convinced of than anyone that he's mafia. He reminds me of the experienced players that can act so townie that they make it to end game but are wolves.  tress has flown under the radar for the most part so .  Kat also flying under radar.  Need to ISO kat and tress for more info...might replace with hallia/turin????.  Dice has been less active than he normally is, though still kind of pushy, soo kind of a scum tell for him.  Sooh I believe to be town.  Turin and Hallia are both null to me still...they could go both ways...though I am leaning town for them both right now, even if hallia is voting me.    Hallia is also an experienced player who can town:talk her way to end game ie spirited away. Just saying.  

 

 

I don't think Dice has actually been considerably less active than normal, and I don't understand why that would be a scumtell.  That more or less goes the common perception of his meta (which probably isn't 100% accurate).  What are you thinking there?

 

Also, Dice has been consistently naming me as scum this entire game, and then tried to lead a lynch on Kat yesterday for not knowing town could have roles...which isn't even true.  How does this team make sense at all?

[Wildfire Sedai]

goodnight sooh!

[Clovdyx]

I have no idea how I'm supposed to feel about Wifi's point about me.  The idea makes me happy, but her applying it to a game where I've had half the living players name me as suspicious and basically everybody has said they're at least hesitant to actually trust me is weird, and scumreading anybody for looking town is just laughably bad.

 

 

But I really have to question whether she'd try to push me for that reasoning as mafia.  The narcissist in me makes me think I could absolutely freight train her if I wanted to, and I think a newer mafia would be a lot more concerned about that than they would as town - especially Wildfire, who seems to pretty much just put her thoughts out there without necessarily thinking through the consequences.

[Clovdyx]

 

 

I want Iron to weigh in - isn't he conf town now?

 

Unless there was some sort of manipulation going on (I said GF before, I guess there could have been redirection), yes.

 

I guess if town gets an IC, scum getting a GF isn't outside the realm of possibility.

 

 

That's true.

[Wildfire Sedai]

 

 

 

I see this as being more of a possibility now:

 

Clovr

kat

tress

dice

 

I believe Ironeyes was cleared by Talmanes lynch and flip.  Clovr I am more convinced of than anyone that he's mafia. He reminds me of the experienced players that can act so townie that they make it to end game but are wolves.  tress has flown under the radar for the most part so .  Kat also flying under radar.  Need to ISO kat and tress for more info...might replace with hallia/turin????.  Dice has been less active than he normally is, though still kind of pushy, soo kind of a scum tell for him.  Sooh I believe to be town.  Turin and Hallia are both null to me still...they could go both ways...though I am leaning town for them both right now, even if hallia is voting me.      Hallia is also an experienced player who can town:talk her way to end game ie spirited away. Just saying.  

 

 

I don't think Dice has actually been considerably less active than normal, and I don't understand why that would be a scumtell.  That more or less goes the common perception of his meta (which probably isn't 100% accurate). 1 What are you thinking there?

 

Also, Dice has been consistently naming me as scum this entire game, and then tried to lead a lynch on Kat yesterday for2 not knowing town could have roles...which isn't even true. 3 How does this team make sense at all?

 

 

1 I am used to dice posting a lot more and I thought someone else said that he was posting less than his normal town game.  

 

2 am totally not understanding this...a double negative????

 

3 You and Dice are masterminds at this game.  Kat and tress are low posters and haven't really had that much of a presence in the game.  I can see the two of you totally bussing them.  and I can see you distancing yourselves from each other...It is a masterful strategy. Also if you think this could possibly be true then I definitely think what I just said could possibly be true as well:

 

 

 

 

Ugh, I'd have to go back to remember exactly, but she seems to like to be on the lynch where the majority are.

 

 

I was thinking that was similar to my experience with her in Spirited Away, but I just went back to check and that wasn't really the case at all (at least based on vote counts).  It might be a little different because there is no hammer this game, but she wasn't on the board for EoD1, EoD2, EoD4, and obviously not D5.  The only time she was on the lynch was a middle spot on Seph D3.

 

I didn't pay enough attention to Caesar to really say either way.  Maybe I'll look into that later.

 

*shrug*

 

The core of my believing she's town is more what I was trying to explain yesterday. Scum Wifi knows how many scums there are in this game. She doesn't go out of her way to mathematically analyze how many scums she thinks is likely.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Ugh, I'd have to go back to remember exactly, but she seems to like to be on the lynch where the majority are.

 

 

I was thinking that was similar to my experience with her in Spirited Away, but I just went back to check and that wasn't really the case at all (at least based on vote counts).  It might be a little different because there is no hammer this game, but she wasn't on the board for EoD1, EoD2, EoD4, and obviously not D5.  The only time she was on the lynch was a middle spot on Seph D3.

 

I didn't pay enough attention to Caesar to really say either way.  Maybe I'll look into that later.

 

*shrug*

 

 

 

The core of my believing she's town is more what I was trying to explain yesterday. Scum Wifi knows how many scums there are in this game. She doesn't go out of her way to mathematically analyze how many scums she thinks is likely.

 

Hallia, do you believe that Wifi is capable of that level of deceit that I described above?

 

 

 

She's played like 7 games in a row now - I think with a good team she could easily

 

[dicetosser1]

 

 

 

3 You and Dice are masterminds at this game.  Kat and tress are low posters and haven't really had that much of a presence in the game.  I can see the two of you totally bussing them.  and I can see you distancing yourselves from each other...It is a masterful strategy. Also if you think this could possibly be true then I definitely think what I just said could possibly be true as well:

 

 

 

i spat my tea out when i read this.

[dicetosser1]

my WTL right now is clov kat  ???

[Wildfire Sedai]

@dice: no false modesty from you.  What about JC? I think that was the one.  They all meld as one in my mind  

[Clovdyx]

 

 

 

 

I see this as being more of a possibility now:

 

Clovr

kat

tress

dice

 

I believe Ironeyes was cleared by Talmanes lynch and flip.  Clovr I am more convinced of than anyone that he's mafia. He reminds me of the experienced players that can act so townie that they make it to end game but are wolves.  tress has flown under the radar for the most part so .  Kat also flying under radar.  Need to ISO kat and tress for more info...might replace with hallia/turin????.  Dice has been less active than he normally is, though still kind of pushy, soo kind of a scum tell for him.  Sooh I believe to be town.  Turin and Hallia are both null to me still...they could go both ways...though I am leaning town for them both right now, even if hallia is voting me.      Hallia is also an experienced player who can town:talk her way to end game ie spirited away. Just saying.  

 

 

I don't think Dice has actually been considerably less active than normal, and I don't understand why that would be a scumtell.  That more or less goes the common perception of his meta (which probably isn't 100% accurate). 1 What are you thinking there?

 

Also, Dice has been consistently naming me as scum this entire game, and then tried to lead a lynch on Kat yesterday for2 not knowing town could have roles...which isn't even true. 3 How does this team make sense at all?

 

 

1 I am used to dice posting a lot more and I thought someone else said that he was posting less than his normal town game.  

 

2 am totally not understanding this...a double negative????

 

3 You and Dice are masterminds at this game.  Kat and tress are low posters and haven't really had that much of a presence in the game.  I can see the two of you totally bussing them.  and I can see you distancing yourselves from each other...It is a masterful strategy. Also if you think this could possibly be true then I definitely think what I just said could possibly be true as well:

 

 

 

Unless you're comparing him to Nyn (who posted a ton more than everybody else this game), I don't think Dice has really been substantially quieter than most - and I think there are people that have been notably more quiet than him.  If he's mafia, that's not why.  And I still don't see how you think him still being pushy is ever bad?  I'd be even more concerned than I am if he wasn't pushing people.

 

Kat insinuated there's nothing in her role PM that insinuates everybody is vanilla.  Dice said to lynch her for not having the town PM.  Kat's point was absolutely correct,

 

If I think what could be true?  

[dicetosser1]

vote clov

 

 

now totally sold on clov kat team

 

 

theres nothing in the PM to suggest anyone HAS a role.  If there was a doc for example wouldnt they have protected laine and nyn?

[Wildfire Sedai]

 

 

 

 

 

I see this as being more of a possibility now:

 

Clovr

kat

tress

dice

 

I believe Ironeyes was cleared by Talmanes lynch and flip.  Clovr I am more convinced of than anyone that he's mafia. He reminds me of the experienced players that can act so townie that they make it to end game but are wolves.  tress has flown under the radar for the most part so .  Kat also flying under radar.  Need to ISO kat and tress for more info...might replace with hallia/turin????.  Dice has been less active than he normally is, though still kind of pushy, soo kind of a scum tell for him.  Sooh I believe to be town.  Turin and Hallia are both null to me still...they could go both ways...though I am leaning town for them both right now, even if hallia is voting me.      Hallia is also an experienced player who can town:talk her way to end game ie spirited away. Just saying.  

 

 

I don't think Dice has actually been considerably less active than normal, and I don't understand why that would be a scumtell.  That more or less goes the common perception of his meta (which probably isn't 100% accurate). 1 What are you thinking there?

 

Also, Dice has been consistently naming me as scum this entire game, and then tried to lead a lynch on Kat yesterday for2 not knowing town could have roles...which isn't even true. 3 How does this team make sense at all?

 

 

1 I am used to dice posting a lot more and I thought someone else said that he was posting less than his normal town game.  

 

2 am totally not understanding this...a double negative????

 

3 You and Dice are masterminds at this game.  Kat and tress are low posters and haven't really had that much of a presence in the game.  I can see the two of you totally bussing them.  and I can see you distancing yourselves from each other...It is a masterful strategy. Also if you think this could possibly be true then I definitely think what I just said could possibly be true as well:

 

 

 

Unless you're comparing him to Nyn (who posted a ton more than everybody else this game), I don't think Dice has really been substantially quieter than most - and I think there are people that have been notably more quiet than him.  If he's mafia, that's not why.  And I still don't see how you think him still being pushy is ever bad?  I'd be even more concerned than I am if he wasn't pushing people.

 

Kat insinuated there's nothing in her role PM that insinuates everybody is vanilla.  Dice said to lynch her for not having the town PM.  Kat's point was absolutely correct,

 

If I think what could be true?  

 

 

Dice has been less active than he normally is, though still kind of pushy, soo kind of a scum tell for him.  What I meant was: Dice looked scummy because he wasn't posting as much as I am used to him posting, however because he has been kind of pushy its only "kind of a scum tell for him."  "kind of" is like "sort of" .  at least around here.   

 

IF you think that I would make up trying to figure out how many scum there were. I mean really.   I wouldn't have gone through all that and reposting it just for the fun of it.  I am too lazy.

[Ironeyes]

 

 

 

I pushed Nini, and no one thinks she, now Turin, is mafia. So no.

 

I'm not ruling it out.  I'm still not sold that Niniel was definitely telling the truth about not seeing the PM posted, and I would have liked to see more content from her.  I really didn't pay much attention to Turin, but I want to resolve Dice and him being willing to move there looked good to me.  

 

Turin had a couple of posts where I went ??? yesterday, and that's usually a town sign for him.

 

 

My lynch pool pretty much looks like Kat, Hallia, Dice/Clov

 

Removing Turin for the above, or something else?  I remember you weren't comfortable with Niniel early, and then kind of moved away there because you two don't normally see eye to eye or something?  

 

What about Tress?

 

The fact that I forgot Tress was even in this game until you mentioned her is concerning. Either she's hecka busy or she's intentionally flying under the radar. 

 

I want Iron to weigh in - isn't he conf town now?

I believe I am. Although Clov's point about me possibly being a Godfather is a good one, I think that possibility is essentially null because it makes the mafia far too powerful. With the only permanent town role (IC) being a rather passive one, and the cop apparently being a one-shot thing, giving the mafia team any roles at all makes them OP in my opinion. I trust that this is a balanced game, so I don't think the godfather role is in it. 

 

Also I am completely convinced that I read my role PM correctly and therefore am town. 

[Clovdyx]

vote clov

 

 

now totally sold on clov kat team

 

 

theres nothing in the PM to suggest anyone HAS a role. If there was a doc for example wouldnt they have protected laine and nyn?

Why would they have protected Alanna?

 

Oh right, because was thr Innocent Child. Which again...was announced at the beginning of the game.

 

So while there's nothing that suggests there must be roles in the PM, there very much is something in the game to suggest there CAN be.

[Clovdyx]

But please, keep pushing your stupid argument.