Beyond the Wall - Game Thread - GAME OVER

[dicetosser1]

  On 7/4/2016 at 2:14 AM, SiRReN said:

If Zander/Celeste flips scum, how likely is it that Dice is scum too? Does Dice defend his scum partners this much when he is scum?

 

0 %  

 

and I REALLY want to see len and AJ answer the second part of this. Theyve probably been mafia with me more then anyonw else

 

  On 7/4/2016 at 2:35 AM, Punished Balrog said:

 

@ Dice:

 

How can you, on one hand, criticise SiRReN for asking if town should give Zander's sub a chance to catch up and post saying if she thought Zander was scum she shouldn't give his sub a chance (It actually makes perfect sense if you think there was an OoT reason for him acting oddly, his replacement might fair way better) but then, on the other hand argue that people 

 

  On 7/4/2016 at 1:11 AM, dicetosser1 said:

arnt even CONSIDERING the option that he might be town.

 

This feels super hypocritical to be arguing with two different people that its wrong to both consider the possibility of him being town and wrong to not consider it. 

  On 7/4/2016 at 1:11 AM, dicetosser1 said:

arnt even CONSIDERING the option that he might be town.

 

 

 

I went sirren because of wording. PLANNING. I DID agree with what SILI said about putting ure vote where ure mouth is but I didnt really attack her on it.

 

and that comment is directed at LENLO  who I feel is SOOOO focused on Zander being scum    on D1 no less    that he isnt looking at the 50+% chance that he is Town. That concerns me. Who is SOOOO focused on 1 person on D1 without a N0 seer peek that they dont even CONSIDER the other possibility?

[dicetosser1]

and I saw the stuff a couple of pages ago from len and AJ. Im coming to the end of lunch but wil;l try to get back to that.

 

And will try to articulate my thoughts better tonight when home

[Celeste]

  On 7/4/2016 at 2:39 AM, Shad_ said:

 

  On 7/4/2016 at 2:31 AM, Celeste said:

Also I was low activity in ragnorak due to the start of school.

 

 

I'm not criticizing your play in that game Penneh, just stating why it seemed odd to me that you would claim meta on him.  If he was the player most focused on lynching your slot then eh, fair enough.  I still find it a bit surprising that you'd remember given how little I remember about off-site wolf games.

Well I remember most of my games except the really bad one's or the one's I get super angry in. You should know that by now I'm pretty self resolving and I take a lot of time in the beginning.

[SiRReN]

  On 7/4/2016 at 2:21 AM, Celeste said:

 

  On 7/3/2016 at 10:25 PM, SiRReN said:

Oh okay, that's good to know.

 

Still not ready to vote anyway though. I'm not gonna let Dice pressure me into voting.

What do you think of Dice?

 

 

I'm not feeling good about Dice at the moment, in particular because they admitted they weren't reading Zander at the moment but then seems to be suggesting no one should scum read him. The two don't go together. On top of that his vote on me is bad, but I'm obviously a little biased in that regard. I'm also not following their thought process at all, and that's usually not good. If I can at least understand where the player is coming from I can determine for myself if their opinion sounds like town or scum, but I don't understand where Dice is headed when they say stuff all the time.

 

[Lenlo]

  On 7/4/2016 at 2:58 AM, dicetosser1 said:

 

  On 7/4/2016 at 2:14 AM, SiRReN said:

If Zander/Celeste flips scum, how likely is it that Dice is scum too? Does Dice defend his scum partners this much when he is scum?

 

0 %  

 

and I REALLY want to see len and AJ answer the second part of this. Theyve probably been mafia with me more then anyonw else

 

  On 7/4/2016 at 2:35 AM, Punished Balrog said:

 

@ Dice:

 

How can you, on one hand, criticise SiRReN for asking if town should give Zander's sub a chance to catch up and post saying if she thought Zander was scum she shouldn't give his sub a chance (It actually makes perfect sense if you think there was an OoT reason for him acting oddly, his replacement might fair way better) but then, on the other hand argue that people 

 

  On 7/4/2016 at 1:11 AM, dicetosser1 said:

arnt even CONSIDERING the option that he might be town.

 

This feels super hypocritical to be arguing with two different people that its wrong to both consider the possibility of him being town and wrong to not consider it. 

  On 7/4/2016 at 1:11 AM, dicetosser1 said:

arnt even CONSIDERING the option that he might be town.

 

 

 

I went sirren because of wording. PLANNING. I DID agree with what SILI said about putting ure vote where ure mouth is but I didnt really attack her on it.

 

and that comment is directed at LENLO  who I feel is SOOOO focused on Zander being scum    on D1 no less    that he isnt looking at the 50+% chance that he is Town. That concerns me. Who is SOOOO focused on 1 person on D1 without a N0 seer peek that they dont even CONSIDER the other possibility?

 

You voted Sirren off of one post and never followed that up or gave real reasoning.

 

Im not focused on him. Ive looked around, ive talked with people. And I never said I didnt consider him being town, I start the game with the view that everyone is town and they work their way down the list. What I SAID was I wasnt going to let the fear of me being wrong stop me from lynching the slot. The onus is not on me to nitpick through the slots posts and find reasons for them to be town after I came to the conclusion they werent. The onus is on them to prove me wrong. What about AJ? AJs been sure Zander was wolf just as long as I have.

 

Finally keep your %'s and gamblers fallacy out of this.

[Punished Balrog]

  On 7/3/2016 at 8:17 PM, Celeste said:

@Baljorn What are your current reads?

Is it this? 

 

Not to be snarky but I'm more likely to answer something if its actually addressed to me. 

 

 

I find both Andrej & Shad townie. I like their posts, they're well thought out and I generally agree with them; I guess you'd say they feel sincere?

 

SiRReN I also think is town as she hasn't done anything yet that I'd say is suspicious.

 

With everything that's gone on with Dice today, I don't like their game. I find it hypocritical that they have a double standard for SiRReN not having placed her vote and others who had.

 

[Wildfire Sedai]

SAS: Short And Sweet

 

@key: he seems to be argumentative today. Jmo. I just see a lot of back and forth between dice, lenlo, aj, and some Celeste. Totally opposite of the other game.

[Punished Balrog]

  On 7/4/2016 at 2:56 AM, keyholder21 said:

 

  On 7/4/2016 at 2:41 AM, Punished Balrog said:

 

  On 7/4/2016 at 2:33 AM, keyholder21 said:

 

@Balrog - Like I said, it's the lower key attitude that's worrisome with Z. Often indicative of scum in a player that is usually crazy happy to hunt 'wilves' as he would say.

 

 

I guess I'm just misinterpreting what you're trying to get across? But I feel like you genuinely know what you're trying to get across from me so I'm happy with that. :)

 

 

I am just used to him always being happy, usually his lololols are part of that.  I know he uses them sometimes as scum too, but the overall lack of happy in this game, coupled with his weird questions and lack of focus, reads more like being disappointed in his role. Does that make more sense?

 

 

Yes, thank you for your patience. 

[Shad_]

  On 7/3/2016 at 10:06 PM, dicetosser1 said:

and I agree with sili that if you thought z was a wolf why the hesitation voting him? why give celeste time? I KNOW that doesnt always happen  i subbed for hallia once   i think it was her  and was walking right into the lynch.  like 4 hrs or something later im dead.

 

leaving my vote there

Your slot had already been peeked red in that game.

 

(What kind of jerk mod subs someone into a peeked wolf slot? )

 

I absolutely don't get the issue with giving a fresh sub time to contribute when we have 24 hours left on the clock anyway.

 

Honestly I don't get any of this.

 

Correct me if I'm tracking this wrong:

 

You think Zander is null at worst on his own merit, and you think the push on him is scummy so implicitly he's probably villa.

 

A player who had been pushing to lynch him now wants to reconsider and not rush the matter before giving the sub a chance.

 

This bothers you enough to progress from a suss to a locked vote.

 

Do you think Zander's a wolf now?

 

Like, I could see you thinking Sirren's post was a manner of testing the water to see if she could still push a lynch through now that a sub's come in, but her indecisive 'should I give it time or vote anyway?' approach isn't what you're taking issue with.  Your issue is that she even considered backing off for a bit.

 

What I'm basically taking away from this is that you think Sirren is scummy for not encouraging a speed lynch on a player who you think is a villager.  :???:

[Shad_]

  On 7/4/2016 at 3:00 AM, Celeste said:

Well I remember most of my games except the really bad one's or the one's I get super angry in. You should know that by now I'm pretty self resolving and I take a lot of time in the beginning.

I wouldn't call you self-resolving.

 

You were GOAT and obvious in Star Fox but you're generally a struggle to read.

 

Christ I lynched Besie over you in Lost.

[Wildfire Sedai]

Well, it's 11:15ish so I am going to bed. I am still sick so will see you night owls in the morning. ....LOL you'll all be in bed then...LOL

[Lenlo]

+1 to Shad. Liking these posts.

[Hallia]

I will agree with that Shad.

 

I think I'm going to

 

Vote: John Snow

 

For now.  Not liking the tone; albeit I haven't played with him for a while, it's a gut thing.

 

Dice feels *gasp*  townish to me!?!?!!  That never happens! (rarely)

[Shad_]

  On 7/4/2016 at 2:58 AM, dicetosser1 said:

I went sirren because of wording. PLANNING. I DID agree with what SILI said about putting ure vote where ure mouth is but I didnt really attack her on it.

 

and that comment is directed at LENLO  who I feel is SOOOO focused on Zander being scum    on D1 no less    that he isnt looking at the 50+% chance that he is Town. That concerns me. Who is SOOOO focused on 1 person on D1 without a N0 seer peek that they dont even CONSIDER the other possibility?

Lenlo tunneling one person for a sizeable stretch of a game is entirely normal for him as either alignment.

 

The wording/planning bit, did I miss this? I'll admit I've been a bit distracted but it's not how I read your reason for voting Sirren.

 

The PB post questioning you is rather sexy.

[Lenlo]

  On 7/4/2016 at 3:23 AM, Shad_ said:

 

  On 7/4/2016 at 2:58 AM, dicetosser1 said:

I went sirren because of wording. PLANNING. I DID agree with what SILI said about putting ure vote where ure mouth is but I didnt really attack her on it.

 

and that comment is directed at LENLO  who I feel is SOOOO focused on Zander being scum    on D1 no less    that he isnt looking at the 50+% chance that he is Town. That concerns me. Who is SOOOO focused on 1 person on D1 without a N0 seer peek that they dont even CONSIDER the other possibility?

Lenlo tunneling one person for a sizeable stretch of a game is entirely normal for him as either alignment.

 

The wording/planning bit, did I miss this? I'll admit I've been a bit distracted but it's not how I read your reason for voting Sirren.

 

The PB post questioning you is rather sexy.

 

It hasnt even been one day ;_;

[Celeste]

  On 7/4/2016 at 3:02 AM, Punished Balrog said:

 

  On 7/3/2016 at 8:17 PM, Celeste said:

@Baljorn What are your current reads?

 

Is it this? 

 

Not to be snarky but I'm more likely to answer something if its actually addressed to me. 

 

 

I find both Andrej & Shad townie. I like their posts, they're well thought out and I generally agree with them; I guess you'd say they feel sincere?

 

SiRReN I also think is town as she hasn't done anything yet that I'd say is suspicious.

 

With everything that's gone on with Dice today, I don't like their game. I find it hypocritical that they have a double standard for SiRReN not having placed her vote and others who had.

 

ok, noted. I will go look back at Dice's other games.

[SiRReN]

  On 7/4/2016 at 3:23 AM, Shad_ said:

 

  On 7/4/2016 at 2:58 AM, dicetosser1 said:

I went sirren because of wording. PLANNING. I DID agree with what SILI said about putting ure vote where ure mouth is but I didnt really attack her on it.

 

and that comment is directed at LENLO who I feel is SOOOO focused on Zander being scum on D1 no less that he isnt looking at the 50+% chance that he is Town. That concerns me. Who is SOOOO focused on 1 person on D1 without a N0 seer peek that they dont even CONSIDER the other possibility?

Lenlo tunneling one person for a sizeable stretch of a game is entirely normal for him as either alignment.

 

The wording/planning bit, did I miss this? I'll admit I've been a bit distracted but it's not how I read your reason for voting Sirren.

 

The PB post questioning you is rather sexy.

The quote he's talking about was mostly directed at you because at the time I was talking to about when to vote for Zander. We both came to the conclusion that it was okay to wait. Then Zander subbed and I made my post asking do we give Celeste time or continue with the plan (to vote out Zander).

[SiRReN]

Talking to you*

[Celeste]

  On 7/4/2016 at 3:16 AM, Shad_ said:

 

  On 7/4/2016 at 3:00 AM, Celeste said:

Well I remember most of my games except the really bad one's or the one's I get super angry in. You should know that by now I'm pretty self resolving and I take a lot of time in the beginning.

I wouldn't call you self-resolving.You were GOAT and obvious in Star Fox but you're generally a struggle to read.Christ I lynched Besie over you in Lost.

Star Fox is one of those 1% games where people believe me and I was able to stay relatively non raged because of the barrel roll. I'm not mafia and I will continue to do my thing.

[Celeste]

  On 7/4/2016 at 3:33 AM, Celeste said:

 

  On 7/4/2016 at 3:16 AM, Shad_ said:

 

  On 7/4/2016 at 3:00 AM, Celeste said:

Well I remember most of my games except the really bad one's or the one's I get super angry in. You should know that by now I'm pretty self resolving and I take a lot of time in the beginning.

I wouldn't call you self-resolving.You were GOAT and obvious in Star Fox but you're generally a struggle to read.Christ I lynched Besie over you in Lost.

Star Fox is one of those 1% games where people believe me and I was able to stay relatively non raged because of the barrel roll. I'm not mafia and I will continue to do my thing.

the life of a replacement is hard and usually people just base it on the predecessor a lot more and not the current person so they get lynched 50% of the time in my experience.

[keyholder21]

  On 7/4/2016 at 2:56 AM, Celeste said:

 

  On 7/4/2016 at 2:41 AM, keyholder21 said:

Celeste, what do you think of players other than John?  Like, I get that you aren't reading him town atm, but did literally no one else stand out to you?  Is someone you have only played with once or twice your strongest read?  How are you reading Sili?  Shad? dice?

Sili- null, his posts seem fairly neutral imo. I want to see more from him.

Shad - town, he's scum hunting and analyzing like usual but I still have yet to see scum shad

Dice - flip floppy, he's a little more head strong than usual and that's throwing me off.

Kat - slight town and I'm seeing her town range

Hallia - null, I want to see more

 

 

You didn't want to share these impressions when you first came in?  I find it weird that you don't have any strong views on anyone except that JS is scum...based on one? game that you played with him. Also, you said something about AJ pushing a narrative, but what about the others that are voting for Zander/you? How do you feel about them? 

 

What about Sili's activity level?  That doesn't seem weird to you?

 

Re: dice. Flip floppy as in your view on him?  Or he's being flip floppy?

 

Why the inclusion of Kat and Hally?  

[Shad_]

  On 7/4/2016 at 3:29 AM, SiRReN said:

The quote he's talking about was mostly directed at you because at the time I was talking to about when to vote for Zander. We both came to the conclusion that it was okay to wait. Then Zander subbed and I made my post asking do we give Celeste time or continue with the plan (to vote out Zander).

I basically want to know if he said more about why he's voting you than what I read, because it felt to me like he was recrafting the narrative.

[Andrej]

Have Celeste and Kat played together before?

[Shad_]

Checkmate

[Shad_]

erm actually they might have once, let me check