Multiball Mafia - GAME OVER - TOWN WINS

[Luthine]

Hallia; I'd say the thing that caught my eye the most was her being suspicious of Wifi so early on. I might be wrong but I was more or less convinced by her answers regarding her calling out Dice on an early town read (on Zander) when she'd done the same thing on Nynaeve.

 

 

I said, that was le derp I'm my part. To be fair though, Nun had like 5 posts before IIIIIIII did it. but it's D1, I get it stood out. I would expect you to call me on it

It's the lala D1 lolsy tone of her comments that has me thinking there wasn't anything behind that.

 

Bringing this up because this bit involved Nynaeve, as did her vote against me that then made Zander and Niniel vote against her. I asked Zander straight away why he'd voted for Hallia based on her vote for me, because right before he'd warned me about not doing this that didn't make sense or the Wolves would manipulate it and get me mislynched, so my mind jumped to that, even if I considered it a bit big that the Mafia would try that strategy right after it'd been brought up.

 

Anyway, I'm leaning on believing that Hallia was being "defensive" of Nynaeve then as she put it. Only thing that's making me doubt is that while Nynaeve herself brought it up

 

 

Part of me is wondering if it was an act of solidarity towards me. Kinda muddles things.

 

 

she then admitted it wasn't coherent with her usual behavior

 

 

Is this solidarity alignment indicative of her?

 

If so how and why?

 

 

It's not. That's kind of the point.

 

Le shrug. I'm trying to keep an open mind but mostly I seem to convince myself of one thing and its opposite in turns, lol. It's worth noting that Nynaeve has questioned Hallia's comments several times.

 

I don't know yet. Not liking Wifi's play atm. Nini I find a bit suspect. When I get to my computer after girls go to bed i could give you a better answer

 

Could you elaborate on both of these, and especially what ticked you off about Wifi's behavior at that point?

[Luthine]

Wifi has me completely confused atm, but she's definitely drawing my attention, and not in a good way. It'd be nice to have her answer this particularly:

 

 

 

 

 

as for Kat seeing Lainey elsewhere: she meant on the WHOLE of DM not just about this thread. she was just trying to be nice!

 
How do you know what she meant?

 

 

Kat: please elaborate! Where do you mean when you say HERE?

 

Eh.
I can understand reconsidering after some makes new posts or an event happens that changes your opinion, but that wasn't really the case here.
Why not consider your read more carefully before instead of making one and then changing it as soon as someone brings attention to it?

 
That's good advice. I tend to be impulsive by nature, and I used to overcompensate by being too careful and not posting much. Looking for that happy medium. 
 
I've reconsidered my read on Kat. She's not in my town pile anymore, although I'm not ready to put her in the scum pile. I don't like the way she and Wifi keep answering for each other. The first time, I thought she meant she hadn't seen Alanna online, maybe facebook or something, but it's getting too weird and seems that they are trying to cover it up.

LOOK PEEPS

A. I AM A NEWBIE

B. YES, KAT answered for me TWICE: 1. When I was asked if I had a mentor AND 2. Where she was.

C. YES, I did EXPAND on kat's answer. Which is why I want her to elaborate on whereHERE was! The REASON for my expansion is because people were saying that kat and I were CHEATING ie. Having a qt account together. They may not have used that word but the insinuation was there. And just so you know: I DO NOT CHEAT! I was told that there is NO COMMUNICATING of any kind outside of the game thread except @ NT when the mafia get together to pick their kill for the night AND PR to communicate with the MOD.

D. I am going to be rethinking some of my picks. I just got to get the iso to work.

 

 

but here post came AFTER you mentioned it....

 

But I dont like this at all...i want to give more time for her and Kat but willing to vote here if I can get enough people on Hallia or she doesnt trend up quickly.

 

 

Maybe in a fashion that is less full of capslock and bolded text? Because that looks like the textual equivalent of flailing.

[Luthine]

So in short, my suspicions list goes, in order: Lily, Hallia, Wifi.

 

And I'd like to hear more from: Sooh, Kat, Talmanes, Dice

 

Luthien/Luthaine/Luthine out for the night :D

 

ETA: spaces

[Wildfire Sedai]

 

 

 

Okay, I think I made a newby mistake here:

 

I was playing like this was in real life! That's why I apologized to nyn, have been overly trying to get you to understand where I am coming from, thinking that ya'll thought I was cheating, etc.

 

 

Now that I realize that I made that mistake I am going to try and get my game on:

 

First of all, I am not teammates with kat, and have had no private communication with her!

 

Second of all, if you really look at my posts, given what I have just said, you will see that they are very straight forward EXCEPT for when I was trying to place people. TBH I had NO CLUE what I was doing, I was reading into others posts but I was totally confused. Therefore, if you look at the people who are twisting my posts to suit their own needs, you might be looking at a scum. I mean you should look at both POV, before making a decision.

 

Lastly, you don't want to lynch me. ttawyw

[Nynaeve]

I legit don't know Nyn.  Sometimes I bring the fire and sometimes my WIM is down.  Trying to keep it up for myself.  That recent WiFi screams scummy to me.  Prolly gonna still vote there.

 

[v]Halli[/v]

[Eldrick4221]

Lenlo will be subbing in for Sooh.

 

I'm getting ready for work right now, and will catch up in about 30 mins.

 

Deadline will not be changed.

[Wildfire Sedai]

Okay, welcome lenlo!

[dicetosser1]

 

1. Sooh-not enough info

2. Nini-not enough info

3. Dice-leaning midling towards scum. Mainly cause the vibes I got from others.

4. AJ-leaning very heavy towards scum. Trying to make friends early in the game and becoming buddies with the "resident townie."

5. Talmanes-not enough info

6. Luthine-not enough info

7. Lily-scum. Sorry, but I agree about the backtracking.

8. Wiffy (mentored by Laine)

9. Nyn-town. We didn't get along. However, this is just a game. In the end Nyn stuck to what she believed in, and would not back down.

10. Hally- scum. I believe that she put dice [and maybe zander]in with the townie .

11. Kat-town for now, could change.

12. Zander-right on the razors edge.

1. Sooh-not enough info

2. Nini-not enough info

3. Dice-leaning midling towards scum. Mainly cause the vibes I got from others. Mainly his picking Zander out as town so early.

4. AJ-leaning very heavy towards scum. Trying to make friends early in the game and becoming buddies with the "resident townie."switching to mostly townie. He explained his posts and has been very forthcoming so far.

5. Talmanes-not enough info

6. Luthine-not enough info

7. Lily-scum. Sorry, but I agree about the backtracking. I think I am going to stick to my gut here.

8. Wiffy (mentored by Laine)

9. Nyn-town. We didn't get along. However, this is just a game. In the end Nyn stuck to what she believed in, and would not back down. keeping this same for now

10. Hally- scum. I believe that she put dice [and maybe zander]in with the townie .I can't get over her quick core townie post. And she seems a little bit edgy.

11. Kat-town for now, could change. keeping an open mind here. I basically used my feelings when I dubbed her "town for now." However, that could CHANGE

12. Zander-right on the razors edge. Scum: mainly cause many people: dice and hallia being at the top of the list, called him out as town, in the beginning of D1 very fast. townie: cause later on in D1 people have come forward to say that he is townie with evidence. Also he is "resident townie"

 

 

This should answer all questions that were asked.

 

 

That doesnt track  the first one u said cause of other peoples vibes. the second one u say its mainly picking zander out which is a direct reaction to something i did

 

Which is it?

 

 

 

 

 

Happy birthday, btw!

ty :)

How's it feel to be getting old?

 

 

how DARE you speak to my Nyn that way!!!

 

 

 

 

Popping in real quick.I'd also like to see some game thoughts from Sooh.Kat's reaction to Tina surprised me but apparently there's some history there. Not sure what to make of it.Lily - why do you call Dice's vote opportunistic?Luthine - what's got you warming up to scumDice idea?

 Well, it´s not much of a history. We played together for the first time in our last game and we both read each other mafia although we were both town. I will try to keep that in mind because I can get stuck in tunnells sometimes. But I still think my reasoning for suspecting her in the first place is valid. Nyn asked Wifi why she didn´t ask her mentor for advice and Kat answered for her instead. She wrote "I haven´t seen her yet" which is strange since the only place that Laine would show up is in a private qt with Wifi or in a mafia qt.

 You, tunnel? Never Thanks for explaining though. About the 'scum slip', ehh idk about that. It's possible, sure, but not something I would run up a wagon for solely. Do you have an opinion on Kat's play other than that? I can accept that caught your attention initially. It would also mean that her and WiFi are partners. What do you think of Wifi?

as for Kat seeing Lainey elsewhere: she meant on the WHOLE of DM not just about this thread. she was just trying to be nice!

 

I had posted in the sign up thread that I was new to this, and I am using a tablet. I gave her an initial townie vote with a clear indication that it could CHANGE!

 

I am not the only one to give out town votes, why the connection?

 

 

 

 

as for Kat seeing Lainey elsewhere: she meant on the WHOLE of DM not just about this thread. she was just trying to be nice!

 

How do you know what she meant?

 

 

Thank you for asking that!!

 

 

right now my wtl is looking like lily kat wildfire.  Those last two are getting stronger

[dicetosser1]

 

 

as for Kat seeing Lainey elsewhere: she meant on the WHOLE of DM not just about this thread. she was just trying to be nice!

 

How do you know what she meant?

 

 

 

 

Maybe that sounded harsh. I mean did you read my posts or was it just some vague feeling about my posts?

I dont know if its just me but you seem to becoming off a little...defensive perhaps the word Im looking for with your posts/responses.

I read my post and thought it might sound too agressive. As you know, I like nice mafia.

Popping in real quick.

I'd also like to see some game thoughts from Sooh.

Kat's reaction to Tina surprised me but apparently there's some history there. Not sure what to make of it.

Lily - why do you call Dice's vote opportunistic?

Luthine - what's got you warming up to scumDice idea?

Well, it´s not much of a history. We played together for the first time in our last game and we both read each other mafia although we were both town. I will try to keep that in mind because I can get stuck in tunnells sometimes.

But I still think my reasoning for suspecting her in the first place is valid. Nyn asked Wifi why she didn´t ask her mentor for advice and Kat answered for her instead. She wrote "I haven´t seen her yet" which is strange since the only place that Laine would show up is in a private qt with Wifi or in a mafia qt.

For the answering I was playing in another mafia game in which laine was about to be lynched and I hadn't seen her at all. Therefore I thought laine must not be here therefore wish can't ask her questions.

 

 

 

Kat: please elaborate! Where do you mean when you say HERE?

 

Eh.

I can understand reconsidering after some makes new posts or an event happens that changes your opinion, but that wasn't really the case here.

Why not consider your read more carefully before instead of making one and then changing it as soon as someone brings attention to it?

 

That's good advice. I tend to be impulsive by nature, and I used to overcompensate by being too careful and not posting much. Looking for that happy medium. 

 

I've reconsidered my read on Kat. She's not in my town pile anymore, although I'm not ready to put her in the scum pile. I don't like the way she and Wifi keep answering for each other. The first time, I thought she meant she hadn't seen Alanna online, maybe facebook or something, but it's getting too weird and seems that they are trying to cover it up.

LOOK PEEPS

 

A. I AM A NEWBIE

 

B. YES, KAT answered for me TWICE: 1. When I was asked if I had a mentor AND 2. Where she was.

 

C. YES, I did EXPAND on kat's answer. Which is why I want her to elaborate on whereHERE was! The REASON for my expansion is because people were saying that kat and I were CHEATING ie. Having a qt account together. They may not have used that word but the insinuation was there. And just so you know: I DO NOT CHEAT! I was told that there is NO COMMUNICATING of any kind outside of the game thread except @ NT when the mafia get together to pick their kill for the night AND PR to communicate with the MOD.

 

D. I am going to be rethinking some of my picks. I just got to get the iso to work.

 

 

none accused you of cheating. you ARE getyting accused of being mafia. Here Mafia get a QT they can talk to each other in constantly. its very very rare that we get a game where they can only talk at night.

 

Mentor and mentees get one too or can do it by pm if they wish.

 

And im not buying the newb card. you may be new but the fact that u threw it out like that seems off

[Wildfire Sedai]

Okay, I think I made a newby mistake here:

 

I was playing like this was in real life! That's why I apologized to nyn, have been overly trying to get you to understand where I am coming from, thinking that ya'll thought I was cheating, etc.

 

Now that I realize that I made that mistake I am going to try and get my game on:

 

First of all, I am not teammates with kat, and have had no private communication with her!

 

Second of all, if you really look at my posts, given what I have just said, you will see that they are very straight forward EXCEPT for when I was trying to place people. TBH I had NO CLUE what I was doing, I was reading into others posts but I was totally confused. Therefore, if you look at the people who are twisting my posts to suit their own needs, you might be looking at a scum. I mean you should look at both POV, before making a decision.

 

Lastly, you don't want to lynch me. ttawyw

Did you miss this post? It was my last post! I believe it explains my former "read" posts! iow totally ignore them!

 

As for "knowing" where "here" was I thought it simple common sense imo. We're on the DM site after all.

 

However, jfyi, I am putting Kat part way on the scummy side. Simply for the reason that she could have cleared this up and hasn't yet. Not sure if she has posted since then or not, though.

[Nynaeve]

Lenlo will be subbing in for Sooh.

 

I'm getting ready for work right now, and will catch up in about 30 mins.

 

Deadline will not be changed.

 

[Eldrick4221]

Vote Count

Lily (2) : Dice, AJ

Hally (3) : Zander, Nini, Nyn

Not Voting : Lenlo, Talmanes, Lily, Wiffy, Kat, Hally

With 12 alive, it takes 7 to reach majority.

Deadline is Monday @ 6pm

 

Missed Luthine's unvote

>.>

<.<

(Thank you Laine for making me aware)

[Hallia]

[v] Wifi [/v]

 

I feel ok about Kat and AJ

 

Find it odd that Luth thinks she and I could be teammates

[Lenlo]

Catching up

 

 

Lenlo will be subbing in for Sooh.

I'm getting ready for work right now, and will catch up in about 30 mins.

Deadline will not be changed.

 

 

[LilyElizabeth]

@Lily - no offense but I wasn't really offering advice.

 

Has your opinion on Dice changed at all?

 

Same question for you as for Tina since this is becoming a topic - what is your opinion on Wifi if you believe there is a connection to Kat?

 

Dice - still think his vote was opportunistic. 

Nini - I have her in my slightly town lean pool now. 

I thought it went without saying that if I think Kat and Wifi are working together, I think they are both scum. 

 

I'll take your advice even though it wasn't offered. :P

[LilyElizabeth]

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

I agree that Zander seems to be on his town game. From what I know of him, anyway. 

 

This is not just at you Lily but I dont know if I should be worried, happy or insulted or some kind of combination of them, for these early easy Town reads of me.

 

 

Have I ever seen you as scum? Maybe I am jumping the gun just a bit. How about a slight town read for now?

 

 

dont like this backtrack

 

 

vote Lily

 

Opportunistic vote. 

 

 

Why?

 

I didnt like it either.

 

 

My behavior wasn't inherently scummy. I just rethought my stance. He's trying to make something benign into something scummy. It felt like he latched on to the first opportunity he got to do so. 

 

 

I dont feel it was benign, I thought it was actually somewhat Scummy.

 

Why do you suss Dice for it but have no issue with me doing it?

 

 

You're voting me? I guess I didn't notice. With Dice, it's more the way he seemed to pounce. Like "Oh, here's something I can vote and it will look normal" but it just didn't to me. 

 

If you're voting me, I get more of a misguided townie feel from you. 

[LilyElizabeth]

 

I dont feel it was benign, I thought it was actually somewhat Scummy.

 

Why do you suss Dice for it but have no issue with me doing it?

 

I'm gonna piggy back on this some because I don't think I explained it well earlier. This is also a good question from Zander.

 

@Lily - my issue is that you were so quick to reconsider your read when called on it, even indirectly, when you could've done that consideration before making the statement. You say you're impulsive, which is fair enough I suppose, but I don't really like how you didn't address this sooner when Dice voted you instead simply brushed off his vote using a buzzword.

 

 

Fair enough. It wasn't my most townie moment in mafia, but I am trying to be more involved, something that people have wanted me to do. Zander made me realize that I was giving him too much credit this early on, so I backed down a little. I could see you guys having a problem if I said someone was scum and then backed off when challenged, but on a town read? I just don't see what the fuss is about. 

[Wildfire Sedai]

 

@Lily - no offense but I wasn't really offering advice.

Has your opinion on Dice changed at all?

Same question for you as for Tina since this is becoming a topic - what is your opinion on Wifi if you believe there is a connection to Kat?

 

 

Dice - still think his vote was opportunistic. 

Nini - I have her in my slightly town lean pool now. 

I thought it went without saying that if I think Kat and Wifi are working together, I think they are both scum. 

 

I'll take your advice even though it wasn't offered. :P

@lily I'm crushed

 

My mentor said: have fun, this is a game!

 

So, ya'll want to listen to scum that's your biz!

 

I am going to have fun!

[Wildfire Sedai]

[V]Vote: Hallia [/v]

[Wildfire Sedai]

Didn't know the v thingee put the vote: before the name. My bad!

[LilyElizabeth]

Zander, why did you say you were voting me when you aren't? I thought I missed something. Playing with the blonde's mind! For shame!

 

Seriously, I must have misunderstood you. You meant you were FOSing me, I guess. I still feel like you're misguided town rather than scummy. 

[Lenlo]

 

So first, afew things. Wish Zander had kept that PR. Woulda been funny. Second, GO GO POWER RANGERS.

 

Zander grilling Luth over her mafia experience and player knowledge. Asking Hallia about her Nyn read. Null tells for him. (Zander, #65, 66)

 

This one is weird. Awkward joke? Why worry about post count? (Katiora, #82) Her next 3 posts bug me as well. It feels like its going to far, like shes over exerting herself to make the joke. Not natural. (Katiora, #95, 96, 97). This post by her was also just... SO WEIRD. Why this concerned about post counts? And whats this policy lynch/modkill comments for? (Katiora, #104)

 

Zander is just so... forward about this stuff with Luth. Its like hes interrogating her and I have yet to see the point of it in my catchup. (Zander, #138) Curious as to why Kat is sketching Zander out. Shes sketching me out, but I have my own reasons. (Zander, #146). 

 

Random Dice comment. Why is this Dice? (Dice, #158). Dice is bothering me abit. Not really commenting on anything gameplay wise, but throwing a town read out for Zander (Dice, #173 and others). 

 

Liking Nyn. Posts like these show me shes thinkin. I like thinkin (Nyn, #177). Also like this one (Nyn, #185). Zander and I agree on something. (Zander, #188). Aj feels like hes splitting hairs here. Nyns point made sense to me (AJ, #197). Me and Hallia agree (Hallia, #202). Im still not seeing it Dice. I feel good about Zander, but hes made some posts that feel weird to me. At this point id give Zander a 70/30 town lean myself (Dice, #221). 

 

Kat avoids answering the question (Kat, #257). I dont see that as a backtrack Dice. More a clarification (Dice, #260) This is a better reaction imo. Lilys post isnt great, but its hardly damning (Zander, #280). This post is skeeeetch (Kat, #286). What if theres a Lie Detector Zander/Kat? Or any other number of roles? Even if it is a joke, I dont see why you cant answer it (Kat, #291). +1 (Nyn, #308). The Nyn/Luth fight is null imo, simply because this isnt a content/logic fight. This is a "Im right about something pointless and your not fight" (The whole exchange).

 

This is a bad vote right here. Theres nothing alignment indicative about this argument. I dont see why the vote (Hallia, #345). Hallia getting defensive (Hallia, #364). Quick jump from Niniel. First post of the game I think? Right onto Hallia. Its not a bad vote on its own, but it came from nowhere (Niniel, #376). My god me and Zander agree again. Are we town together for once? (Zander, #379). Liking AJ (AJ,  #383). Even worse post by Hallia imo. Theres so much apathy, as if she doesnt care about this vote (Hallia, #408).

 

95% of this list is "I dont know, no clue, what?". How in gods name is this "Not a horrible list" Hallia? (Kat, #414). I honestly cant tell what the point of this post is. Willing to put it out there? Way more vague? Did we read the same list? It was nothing but vague! (Hallia, #419). +1 to Niniel (Niniel, #422). Lily managed to say little, with alot of posts (Lily, #442 back). Agreed for the most part (#470). Good post AJ. I didnt find any of those damning in a vaccum, but when laid out its not a good look for her (AJ, #512). 

 

At this point, Zander Nyn and AJ are basically town in my books. The weakest of those 3 is Zander, but the lowest grade diamond is still a diamond.

 

Started to skim abit here. Got tired of catchup. Sorry not sorry. Good point by Dice. Moving up the books (Dice, #544). Decent list from AJ (AJ, #583).

 

Heres where im at. Each grouping has a light ordering? Like... if your at the top your at the top, same with the bottom, but the middle can shift. Make sense? Maybe?

 

Me!

AJ

Nyn

Zander

 

Dice

 

Nini
Talmanes

Wiffy (mentored by Laine) - Solid middle line. Probably more wolfy then towny, but shes new and confusing me

Luthine - 

Lily

 Kat

 Hally

 

[v]Hallia[/v]

 

Caught up.

[Eldrick4221]

Didn't know the v thingee put the vote: before the name. My bad!

Hehe. Live and learn.

 

And then get Luvs.

[Lenlo]

Btw, the spoiler are just things I jotted down. If you whine and moan at me for how its not formatted, well to bad.

[Eldrick4221]

Vote Count

Lily (2) : Dice, AJ

Hally (5) : Zander, Nini, Nyn, Wiffy, Lenlo

Wiffy (1) : Hally

Not Voting : Talmanes, Lily,  Kat

With 12 alive, it takes 7 to reach majority.

Deadline is Monday @ 6pm

 

Hally is at L-2