[Standard] Chrono Trigger Mafia - Town wins Day 5!

[Andrej]

Hallia you're on the wrong wagon imo

[Andrej]

Wanna note that Zander hasn't taken the opportunity to try and lynch his other scum read even though he was the only vote on me for a good bit of time.

[Thane Vakarian]

he still might, DL is in 5 and a bit

[Andrej]

We'll see but I doubt it.

 

His buddy Nolder can come in and vote me too to force a three way tie and drop his chance of getting lynched from 50% to 33%

 

Nolder at 4 should be good enough to lynch him

[Lenlo]

[unvote][v]Thane[/v]

 

Lets do this then, ill shoot Nolder tonight, Nolder flips town I instalynch AJ if im still alive D3.

 

Clear up all three, Nolder flips wolf I avoid possibly killing a probable town PR.

[Hallia]

[unvote]

[v] Nolder [/v]

 

And with that, I sleep

[Lenlo]

[unvote]

[v] Nolder [/v]

 

And with that, I sleep

H8 u

[Clovdyx]

Votecount

AJ (1/6): Zander

Thane (3/6): Verb, Turin, Lenlo

Nolder (4/6): AJ, Leelou, Thane, Hallia

Not Voting (2):  Nolder, Tina

Deadline has changed

[Andrej]

[unvote]

[v] Nolder [/v]

 

And with that, I sleep

MVP

[Thane Vakarian]

well, I guess it's bedtime for me too. See you all on the flipside

[Andrej]

Yep.

 

I'm out too

 

Good night

[Niniel]

this is hard. i don't like Thane's readlist but is he mafia? Too little time and I'm going to work soon.

 

Nolder disappeared and I don't like that. Would probably vote him heiress Thane but that is because of lack of posts more rhan what he has posted.

 

Feeling very unsure on both. I'll stick with AJ. If it weren't because of Ate and claim he would be a clear lynch.

 

[v] AJ [/v]

[BFG]

Votecount

 

AJ (2/6): Zander, Tina

 

Thane (3/6): Verb, Turin, Lenlo

 

Nolder (4/6): AJ, Leelou, Thane, Hallia

 

Not Voting (1):  Nolder

 

 

[Turin Turambar]

Thane:

 

 

 

ofcourse you would, Hallia.

 

No, Len, I don't have better. For the moment, I still need to figure out most of the players here. I am trying to resist putting people who suspect me down the null line towards the wolf border.

Try harder. Seriously Thane, Look at your ISO and ask yourself if you really deserve to be town read at this point. I think if you are being honest with yourself that you have to say  "NO.". That being the case is it realistic to suss people for sussing you.

 

 

 

Should also be noted that both Zander and Nolder think I am scum with the other and yet have barely interacted at all this game.

I'd like people to weigh in on this.

 

working on it, AJ. Writing a commented reads list at this point.

 

I just read last few pages and it is nearing my time to sleep. I will be back in the morning for DL.

Not sure what to make of AJ. I think I will Sleep on it.

[V] Thane [/v]

He is my other choice Anyway. Maybe competing trains to force some opinions?

Good night.

[v] Turin [/v]

 

I'll get to reasoning in a moment.

 

I vote Thane as he was a red read for me and I'm going back and forth about AJ's claim. He votes me back promising "reasons".

 

 

Thane is a King *nods*

AndreJ : claimed town PR, with 2/6 votes on him. Feels like a very frustrated townie for me. I seriously doubt that he would do a mental breakdown as scum. Would be a bastard move if he actually did. I will go with his claim. I don't understand people still voting claimed PR's.
Lenlo: claimed PR... sorta Vig... déjà vu, anybody? No, seriously.. Kinda feel this comes out of nowhere. Why the claim? Why so soon? No pressure on him, at all. IF actually PR, then bravo for outing a second PR D2.... it could have waited imo. Unless otherwise, still going with the claim, for now. But less certain than AJ
Leelou depends on wether or not AJ is really a town PR. Has been read as town. So.... 1+1, i by AJ's claim, so this could be legit (if not GF). 

Verbal's interactions are good. Involvement is good. His questions and replies are good. I just have nothing bad to point out at this moment. Should I be worried about that? Not at this point.

 

Hallia claimed 'informed townie', and everybody buys it. No second guesses what so ever. I wonder if that's a smart thing to do. You know who is town when playing as a wolf too.... wouldn't clear her too soon. She's looking ok, but not 100% clear for me. Call it paranoia. I would like to think of it as healthy suspicion. Also, putting a third vote on a player that has been mentioning he's catching up, especially in a low activity hybrid game? I dunno.

Zander... wow.... there's something. With everything going on, I still have a slight town lean on him. if only slight. I know he can be absolutely wrong on players and push townies 'till they die, but yeah... Zander, re-evaluate your game. You can do better imo. 

Nolder is a mystery to me. I still have troubles reading him in general. He seems ok to me, but with a little hint of 'be careful' in the back of my mind. Trying not to get too influenced by the general trend of people sussing him. Would like to see how he plays this week. 

 

Tina was on my radar early game. Some weird stuff going on there. More recent posts were looking ok to me. Still, she's voting a claimed PR, which is odd. One shouldn't do that imo. Added to the D1 stuff, she's low on my list. Usually a player would re-evaluate after seeing some claims, but i don't get that here. Even though she gave her reasons why, still.... not a good look. 

Turin don't get the town!Turin impression he gave off last game we played in. At all. Mainly at the bottom of my list due to PoE at this point, but I don't feel bad about putting my vote there. 

 

Before you ask: YES, these are in order, town to wolf. Yes, it took me some time to do this, so if you voted for pressure... now you don't have that as an excuse anymore. You people need to learn to chill.

 

His ordered reads list. I disagree with most of it which is fine. Different people can think different things. My problem with it is that it looks fake because the results don't seem to flow properly from the thoughts. 

 

AJ: says feels like frustrated town- valid. But saying that his AtE would be bastard as town is just ridiculous. I mean That is just a bit simplistic to me. This game is about deceit you know. If all it takes is to claim a PR to avoid a vote then the game will always end poorly for town.

Lenlo: throws all sorts of shade at Lenlo while saying still gonna trust the claim. 

Leelou: is town because he believes AJ. Fair enough but AJ has doubt on his own result. Outside of the peek what is your view of her?

Verb: I assume you have him as town? (I do too FWIW). Does it trouble you that he has questions about AJ?

Hallia: The reason people are most secure with Hallia's claim is that she actually put something into the thread before she claimed that supports her claim. (I had some doubt originally but it was about 95% legit when it happened and since then more has come out that looks really good for Hallia) Again, Do you think that you deserve to be town read?

Zander:Slight town read but he is in yellow? what do the colours mean then? Is Hallia town then too? If you want him to re-evaluate then you must think he is town. Your thoughts don't seem to follow your order.

Nolder: This sounds null to town from your words. This feels like a fluffy read. 

Tina: You have her low for being on your radar early game. Why was she on your radar? Now you have her as suspect because she is voting a claimed PR. Fine. She acknowledged that she didn't trust him for his play despite his claim. Others have expressed the same concern. Lenlo actually revoted him before voting you. Does that move Len down your list? Your reasoning is alien. 

Turin: I am your one red read because of gut/feel? and PoE? I know I'm town and am even more confident you are a wolf. 

 

My vote wasn't for pressure. 

Please explain who you actually think are wolves in your yellow section cause it really isn't cler. I think that may be on purpose tho.

Verbal as first, I'm ok with. Turin has my vote 'cause I think he's a wolf this game. Hallia is just being weird, in a bad way. She could have seen that I was working on it. So, either she doesn't care about what i write or she's ignoring it on purpose.

 

As for your game, Zander. Why the entire discussion with AJ? D2 feels all about that. And it drowns out everything else. It's not really scumhunting, it's looking at one player, get everybody looking into that and the wolves getting away. That's my pov.

Bold: That is a solid reason

 

I don't care if you like it Hallia. It's where I am in the game. But, I doubt anybody really cares what I think. The votes are just gonna stay on me for weak reasons and I might die. And I don't really care. When I get mislynched, i hope people will look into the players voting and the weak reasoning. *nods*

What is it with all the emo in this game? How are the reasons weak? did you look at what I put down on you previously? 

 

I'm not convinced AJ. 

 

People vote me to get my list. Then I give a list, they don't like it, keep their vote on. Silly, at the least. And a WEAK REASON. 

 

Meh, I'll do paperwork, I'm getting annoyed.

Who said that they were voting you to get your list? I know I' didn't. So how is my reason weak?

 

 

 

Verbal as first, I'm ok with. Turin has my vote 'cause I think he's a wolf this game. Hallia is just being weird, in a bad way. She could have seen that I was working on it. So, either she doesn't care about what i write or she's ignoring it on purpose.

 

As for your game, Zander. Why the entire discussion with AJ? D2 feels all about that. And it drowns out everything else. It's not really scumhunting, it's looking at one player, get everybody looking into that and the wolves getting away. That's my pov.

 

ARE YOU FOR REAL??? YES!!!

 

D2 as been mostly me an AJ because no one else besides Hallia and Lenlo bothered to show up!!!!  When you think someone is scum and you go back and forth its not scum hunting?  AJ;s primary focus has been me as well but youre fine with that, It's what you get when the day starts in the middle of the weekend, dude. A lot of players simply aren't online.

 

I call BS I call people voting me BS

 

Turin has your vote cause "you think" hes a wolf and that its.  Or is it cause hes voting you?  Or both?  Still seems pretty weak imo He's the weakest player to me.  So he has my vote.

 

As far as Hallia you were in GnD and this is pretty much the exact same thing.  You beleive AJ's claim and Len's but not Hallia's imo, hers is prolly the most believable couple that with her gameplay and I dont see how anyone is reading her as anything but Town, I'm still not buying it. She gets off without any suspicion, which in itself is suspicious to me

 

Also as far as your reads list....how are you getting your Leelou vibe?  If AJ hadnt said he "peeked" her would she still be that strong. Nope, depends fully on wether or not AJ is telling the truth here. His peek seems legit, she'd have been a peek of mine too. 

 

Im not really buying what youre selling here man. I'm giving it for free, no need to buy

 

 

Why do you call people voting you BS? Again, look at your game and ask yourself if it is unreasonable for people to have you in their lynch pool. 

 

Explain WHY I am the weakest player in your opinion. You are basically just saying Turin is a wolf because Turin is a wolf. Show your work Thane. I don't think you can because your read and your vote are bogus because you are a wolf. You think my resaoning for voting you is bogus then come show why.

 

Hallia's claim is the best of all three because it is the ONLY one that has evidence put into the thread prior to the claim. She gave her Yates is town post and breadcrumbed being informed. She used that read in asking questions of Verb. It all makes sense. You are perfectly fine giving AJ the benefit of the doubt to the point of reading Leelou town exclusively off his peek and casting shade at someone that is pretty obvious town IMO (Tina) because she doesn't believe  him.  Why is it okay for you to question Hallia but not okay for Tina to doubt AJ? Do you think that AJ has been obvious town this game?

 

What is your read on Leelou independent of AJ's peek? Same question about the other claims(AJ, Lenlo, Hallia)?

 

 

He was a lot more active and pursuing in the last game we played together, where he was also town. Missing that here. 

Okay. Basically the only time I haven't been present was when it was family time at my home. And when I was out on my delayed honeymoon. So yeah, get over it.  I haven't been pursuing? I've been wrong but I haven't been sitting on the sidelines like "some other people".  Maybe if you were actually here you would have seen it. Or maybe your just a wolf.

 

Probably the second one.

 

 

Would you consider voting Nolder before you go?

We can always get Turin another day and if it means saving yourself all the better.

I have been contemplating that, yes. I'll see how things will go for the next hour. Then I will or will not change the vote. We shall see. 

 

Cause it is good to just vote people you have town reads on to keep yourself alive. Well it must be the town thing to do.   

 

See below for reference. I guess it is going to be a short week.

Nolder is a mystery to me. I still have troubles reading him in general. He seems ok to me, but with a little hint of 'be careful' in the back of my mind. Trying not to get too influenced by the general trend of people sussing him. Would like to see how he plays this week.

 

 

Town/flip: AJ's peek credible. Outing himself as a PR made him a target nonetheless. Don't think he'd play like he did as wolf. 

 

Wolf/flip: GF dead, always good. 

Why would he not make a claim that buys him at least another day? If his count of the numbers is right and tomorrow could be mylo then he pretty much gets himself free thru that too because it will be  "too risky" to test his claim then. Also why would a Leelou town flip make AJ's view credible? mafia would know who the townies are and could pick one to view. In fact the way AJ framed his view that he expected a red view so is still doubting Leelou gives him room to even vote her later.

 

So if he lives thru the night do you doubt his claim any?

 

 

 

tl;dr

 

Thane has done NOTHING this entire game to deserve a town read but seems to think it is reasonable to OMGUS people that aren't town reading him. His "reasons" don't match up with his ranking in his own reads list. Said reads list is full of hedges. He has no real reason for his vote on me and has mischaracterised my reasons for voting him.  

 

He is a wolf. lynch him.

 

 

 

[Turin Turambar]

less than 2 hours until DL... 

 

Anyone out there?

[Turin Turambar]

AJ, 

 

You said that you tried to "force" reads. When would you say that started?

 

Why would you yell at Thane post game if he is a wolf? And policy vig him going forward? 

[Nolder]

[v]Zander[/v]

 

At least AJ appears to be trying.

All I see Zander doing is arguing.

[BFG]

Votecount

 

AJ (2/6): Zander, Tina

 

Thane (3/6): Verb, Turin, Lenlo

 

Nolder (4/6): AJ, Leelou, Thane, Hallia

 

Zander (1/6): Nolder

 

 

[Nolder]

Btw whoever came up with a 3AM PST deadline needs to go back to mod school.

[Turin Turambar]

AJ, What result did you get?

 

did you get Result: Leelou is TOWN

 

-or-

 

Result: TOWN

[Turin Turambar]

[v]Zander[/v]

 

At least AJ appears to be trying.

All I see Zander doing is arguing.

Nolder, do you really expect to get Zander lynched? Do you think Thane is town? Do you think AJ is town?

[Nolder]

With hybrid hammer it's a lot easier than usual, probably, not really but he's doing better than Zander atm imo.

[Turin Turambar]

 

[v]Zander[/v]

 

At least AJ appears to be trying.

All I see Zander doing is arguing.

Nolder, do you really expect to get Zander lynched?

Do you think Thane is town?

Do you think AJ is town?

 

 

 

With hybrid hammer it's a lot easier than usual,

probably,

not really but he's doing better than Zander atm imo.

Are these your answers in order? just trying to clarify.

[Turin Turambar]

 

[v]Zander[/v]

 

At least AJ appears to be trying.

All I see Zander doing is arguing.

Nolder, do you really expect to get Zander lynched?

Do you think Thane is town?

Do you think AJ is town?

 

 

 

With hybrid hammer it's a lot easier than usual,

probably,

not really but he's doing better than Zander atm imo.

Is this how you are answering these questions? Just trying to clarify.

 

Have you read my points on Thane?

[Turin Turambar]

Nolder, Ar you saying that

 

1. It will be easier to lynch Z due to it being hybrid?

2. You think Thane is town?

3. You don't really think that AJ is town but he looks better than Z?

 

 

 

BTW, have you looked at my points regarding Thane?