[Basic] Supernatural Mafia ~ Game Over ~ Town Wins!!!

[Nynaeve]

Like you're appealing to me to rethink things, and when I show a sign of doubt, you FOS me for me.

 

 

Lets lynch this walking joke, please.

[Nynaeve]

The honest impression i am getting here is that, even when Turin or Pral make good points, you (meaning you, Zander and Laine) basically gun those points down and want to convince everybody that you're absolutely right. Basically that made catching up after a no-computer-day no fun to read at all. I love the three of you as people, i really do, but the attitude, i have to say, could be dimmed a bit in the game.

 

I can't and won't speak for Laine or Zander, but if I point something out as being false or troubling it's because it's either a blatant lie or a misrep. And I'm not planning on stopping doing that, because it's kind of my job to point out things that either don't make sense at all or are just opportunistic and twisting the truth. That's not going to change.

[Thane Vakarian]

and ofcourse the bloody flip comes in while i'm typing and taking care of the kiddos at the same time....

 

Now, things get... either complicated or interesting, depending on your point of view. This (game)night will hopefully bring some solutions.

 

BFG: I'll come back to BG for you. I'll try to find some quotes to show you my line of thought. Doubt it'll happen tonight, my brain is fried after today. But, i promise, i'll get back to you. I'm weak, i need my sleep (and i'm getting up at 3:30 am tomorrow)  

[Nynaeve]

Like I don't even know what to make of this statement. It's mind boggling to me. I am not trying to prove anything to anyone. I see something that pings? I say it. You don't agree with me? Don't freaking agree with me. What is this?

[Nynaeve]

SO VERY SORRY THAT I'M POINTING OUT PINGS. HOW DARE I DO THAT? BAD BAD NYN.

[Thane Vakarian]

Nyn, you're on my most likely townie pile, and I appreciate your comments and the things you're pointing out. I'd be more worried about you if you wouldn't do that.

[Nynaeve]

 

Sooh and Eld, perhaps. I recall you posting about it. But Turin and Eld? The only thing i remember Eld is doing now is commenting on events, not trying to #solve and go after me. Don't recall his stance on Turin, though. 

 

He said he'd be willing to vote Turin, but is voting you for a competing train. So he's supporting your lynch, while leaving this options open to move to Turin later on if he wants. That's his stance.

[Nynaeve]

Thane is looking better for me today too, despite the fact that he suspects me. I am able to look past that and see that he's improving.

 

He's still low on my list comparatively, but only because of town reads on other players. I'm as confident about lily and pral not being scum as I am thane at this point.

 

That being said, I don't know what I was thinking having my vote on thane instead of turin. Mafia 101, vote your strongest scum lean. That's been Turin today.

 

Voting Thane for the sake of a counter train is a horrible reason, and it took me a while to realize it.

 

[unvote]

[v]Turin [/v]

 

LOL

[Nynaeve]

Turin has been lynched. He was:

 

 

 

Charlie Bradbury – Vanilla Town

 

 

 

You have 24 hours to submit night actions.

 

Good riddance. 

 

 

I'm so over this game.

[LilyElizabeth]

I was so sure....

 

 

If I die tonight, lynch BG for me. 

[Hallia]

Thanks to Shad and Clov for being my heroes while I'm on vacation.

[bgrishinko]

Turin has been lynched. He was:

 

 

 

Charlie Bradbury – Vanilla Town

 

 

 

You have 24 hours to submit night actions.

 

Welp. 

 

I think Eld was waiting to place his vote for a more opportune time as I said before. Lily feels like she's had a complete 180 from day one on most her opinions using Nolder as the catalyst. 

Out of the 3 who've pushed both Nolder and Turin2, I think Laine is most likely scum, followed by Zander.

 

And of course Thane. 

 

Tomorrow, Thane, Laine and Eld are my top candidates. 

[alannalynn]

Laine: of the three, middle spot. I know she can be a bit of a bulldog when hunting wolves, which is good. But here i'm missing the bulldog some and am looking at more of a sheepdog. Feels like she's depending too much on Zander

are you freaking kidding me? Have you been reading the game?

[alannalynn]

Welp.

 

I think Eld was waiting to place his vote for a more opportune time as I said before. Lily feels like she's had a complete 180 from day one on most her opinions using Nolder as the catalyst.

Out of the 3 who've pushed both Nolder and Turin2, I think Laine is most likely scum, followed by Zander.

 

And of course Thane.

 

Tomorrow, Thane, Laine and Eld are my top candidates.

lol...

 

Eldrick's vote did look bad though. Came off very unnatural

[BFG]

 

 

 

@Zander you're right. You didn't drive this mislynch (I must have been thinking about last game lol)

 

Your reason for voting Nolder was so you could get support D2 on Sooh, and that's gross in its own regard.

 

 

 

 

On mobile. It would be a hassle to pull up the quote, but I distinctly remember you switching to nolder, and then saying something to the lines of "you'll vote sooh tomorrow, right?"

I did I want Sooh lynched. But that doesnt mean he wasnt a suss of mine. You like totally dont remember our back and forth or the thunderdome challenge.

 

It read to me that you were switching under the condition that someone (I want to say laine) Would vote sooh with you today.

 

I'm not saying you didn't suss him. I know you did.

 

 

Think before you type something like this.

 

 

 

 

[v] unvote [/v]

 

[v] Nolder [/v]

 

Sooh tomorrow.

 

Yeah, I remember this one. You voted in exchange for Alanna's support today. Nothing unusual about that.

 

 

 

 

 

 

Just because no one agreed doesn't mean he wasn't trying to garner a future Sooh vote by switching.

So let me get this straight. ScumZander would expect to garner support on a future Sooh lynch by helping town lynch a townie?

 

 

lol okay.

 

Scum and town would both do that. I just didn't like that being his reason to switch. It was gross.

 

 

But that wasnt the reason and no matter how many times you say it it's still not true.

 

 

 

Zander - why do you object to Eldrick saying you voted Nolder to gain support for Sooh Day 2, but not Lily saying the same?

[Zander?]

 

 

 

@Zander you're right. You didn't drive this mislynch (I must have been thinking about last game lol)

 

Your reason for voting Nolder was so you could get support D2 on Sooh, and that's gross in its own regard.

 

 

 

 

On mobile. It would be a hassle to pull up the quote, but I distinctly remember you switching to nolder, and then saying something to the lines of "you'll vote sooh tomorrow, right?"

I did I want Sooh lynched. But that doesnt mean he wasnt a suss of mine. You like totally dont remember our back and forth or the thunderdome challenge.

 

It read to me that you were switching under the condition that someone (I want to say laine) Would vote sooh with you today.

 

I'm not saying you didn't suss him. I know you did.

 

 

Think before you type something like this.

 

 

 

 

[v] unvote [/v]

 

[v] Nolder [/v]

 

Sooh tomorrow.

 

Yeah, I remember this one. You voted in exchange for Alanna's support today. Nothing unusual about that.

 

 

 

 

 

 

Just because no one agreed doesn't mean he wasn't trying to garner a future Sooh vote by switching.

So let me get this straight. ScumZander would expect to garner support on a future Sooh lynch by helping town lynch a townie?

 

 

lol okay.

 

Scum and town would both do that. I just didn't like that being his reason to switch. It was gross.

 

 

But that wasnt the reason and no matter how many times you say it it's still not true.

 

 

 

Zander - why do you object to Eldrick saying you voted Nolder to gain support for Sooh Day 2, but not Lily saying the same?

 

 

 

it seemed like Eld made it out to be the ONLY reason for doing so which is false,

[BFG]

http://www.dragonmount.com/forums/index.php?app=forums&module=forums&section=findpost&pid=3606909

 

Sander can you look at this and tell me what you think???

[bgrishinko]

I've got rehearsal tonight and its Chinese New Year so I probably won't be posting much.

[BFG]

Guess Zander's run off

 

So, page 65 and commenting:

 

The post below is nice, so we know who voted and why. Well, for some people we know why, other,... not so much. Two ideas here cross my mind: 1) Wolves jumped on the occasion to get a townie killed, so there'd be at least 2 on the lynch train. It would have been a fast way to get rid of a townie D1 without too much of a risk. OR 2): there's max one wolf on the train, or none, because they laid back and watched townies rip another one apart. Something bothering me about the Nolder lynch is that it's once again Zander driving the lynch on a townie, and it gives me a déjà vu. Not saying directly that he's a wolf, but it's not to be totally excluded yet imo.

 

now, let's look at the votes:

 

 

 

 

 

 

Votes on Nolder:

I included all votes, even the ones who later unvoted.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Kind of a weird switch by Lily IMHO, willing to pursue.

 

[unvote]

 

[v]Lily[/v]

I'm giving Zander the benefit of the doubt, since he said it was a joke, but not ruling him as scum out yet. What's weird about that?

 

It's the timing and also I don't agree with your vote.

 

Your vote on Alanna came right after Zander's but with enough time between to make me think it wasn't just a coincidence or fluke.

I also don't agree that Alanna seems to be pushing a scummate's case...or any case really she just said Eldrick seemed awkward.

If she had voted maybe I'd agree but she didn't.

 

To me it looks way more likely that you and Zander would be scummate's who distanced and then jumped on the same person than it does that Alanna and Sooh are scummates.

 

Previous post post I quoted had you saying you were Voting Alanna for not voting. Now you are saying that you would understand how she would look bad if she had voted yet you voted for the opposite reason. You further used this a reason to vote someone else. It looks to me like you were just looking for anything to take your vote off Alanna.

 

[unvote]

[v] Nolder [/v]

 

 

We know he was town

 

We do know now, in hindsight. Good thing is that i was right about my read on him, so i have some confidence that i can get some decent reads this game.

 

I'm actually gonna switch up and [unvote] [v]Nolder[/v] because I want some pressure there

 

How did that work out? Nolder did self-vote in the end, so I would ask you: Did you get the expected result from the pressure vote? I think not... so, besides pressure on Nolder, did you have another, added, reason to vote?

 

 

 

 

Zander I think you and I need to have a talk.

 

 

Ok whats up?

 

Not much, I just like to clear or condemn you early and I'd like to be able to do it soon.

 

Let's try some questions...

 

Gun to head which one person of the following people would you absolutely not let into the village right now: Sooh, Pral, Alanna, Thane, Eldrick.

 

 

Why these people specifically?

 

 

 

Nolder that's a terrible question when he's already mentioned scum reads on 2/5 and has null-town the rest lol

 

it is but its ok.  I wanna see where he goes with this.

 

 

@Nol- Why Pral?

 

Sorry everyone woke up and is talking to me now.

The thing about Pral, and I don't mean to be insulting, even when he's town I don't find his posts that helpful or insightful 90% of the time.

He's just kind of there. So that's more meta than anything else but that's why I chose him.

 

That's a terrible reason.

 

+1 on it being a terrible reason. you don't find him helpful as town, so you want to lynch him for not being helpful.

 

[v]Nolder[/v]

 

 

Later retracted due to misunderstanding, iirc

 

Yes, later retracted. But, the reason for the vote, bolded in red.... it would go for a lot of townies in general on D1, seeing there's not much to work with.... considering this, the first reason Eldrick voted Nolder was bad.

 

[v]Nolder[/v]  wakey wakey, sleeping beauty

 

Don't understand the reason for this vote. @Nyn can you explain?

 

IF I understand Nyn a bit, she voted here to get pressure on Nolder, get him to explain and interact. Again, here: How did that work out? Did you get what you were looking for?  

 

 

I've been playing for almost 6 years, I'm pretty sure I know the term WIFOM when I come across it.

 

Things are just as verifiable asking other players but you don't seem concerned with knowing if I'm telling the truth or not, you seem more concerned with discrediting me.

 

Do not lynch Zander

Do lynch Nolder

 

When Nolder flips scum, will you trust me then?

Leap of faith

 

[v]Nolder[/v]

 

 

@Sooh - I think you explained it already, but would you explain this vote again, please?

 

It's a shame that Sooh got replaced, because i'd really have liked an answer to the following question: Do you feel better or worse about Laine right now, seeing Nolder flipped town? Did the leap of faith work out? I don't think that Turin2 can answer this, which is too bad. 

 

I was wrong. I am voting one of them.

 

I noticed it earlier. It's been addressed several times. The fact that Nolder is flat out refusing to give a reads list means something. I want to find out what that something is.

 

[v]Nolder[/v]

 

Okay reason, I guess

 

This, once again, feels like a pressure vote. By now, it should have been obvious that Nolder wasn't really going to give in to the pressure votes and would continue his gameplay the way he seemed was best. It didn't work out for him, and it wasn't helpful for town what he did, but the vote here rings a little bell.

 

I figured as much. 

 

 

Vote Nolder

 

voting for refusal of reads list. Hmm... looking at it, fourth pressure vote. Again, should have been clear that the pressure wouldn't work and a reads list wasn't coming. Feels like an easy vote here to put Nolder on L-1.

 

 

 

 

 

Out of all the votes, Sooh's looks the worst

 

I tend to disagree. Eldrick feels worst here, followed by Laine and Sooh/Turin2

 

 

Mine's not there

 

Zander tunneling on a townie again. I hope this will not become a habit, because there are only so many town players in a game.  The impression i get, forgive me if I'm wrong, is that you focus too much on one single player and loose the big picture. What I'd like to see, Zander, is a player that looks at multiple possibilities, and not one. In hindsight, the fact that you're on a townie again, quite pushing the lynch, is not that great. I hope you can understand that, bro

 

 

 

Sooh is replaced by Turin!

 

Also: due to Superbowl I will extend the deadline to 11am PST on Tuesday, Feb 9th.

Welcome back Turin. I hope you'll be able to clear your slot pretty quickly, because it's not looking too great at this point. I got my first read right on you, so we'll see if you can convince me again.

 

Thane, can you explain what you mean by the large?

 

You have Laine, Nyn, Eldrick (2nd), Lily all voting for pressure. Why the order you say?

 

Also during Night 1 you said you thought Sooh was a frustrated townie. Why does Turin need to convince you he's town, if you already believed that?

[BFG]

In my (little) experience, it's highly unlikely that a town player would sub in for a wolf. I could be wrong, but the chances would seem very low. True, Sooh didn't actually have a very townie game, but the way Turin is treated here is like he's already guilty and has no chance to redeem himself. That bothers me a bit. That's why I am reacting like this.

 

After all, Turin does have a point: if he's not a wolf, who is? I know where I put my vote, and it's a better place than Turin if you'd ask me.

 

Just saying

 

 

List of Players:

 

1. Sickpuppets, Princess Vespa, Vanilla Townie - Lynched D2

2. Halli & Salami 

3. Arsis, Dink, Vanilla Townie - MKed N2

4. TG Des

5. Tommy, Prince Valium, Vanilla Townie - MKed N2

6. Vos

7. Manbat 

8. Thane 

9. Yates, The Minister, Vanilla Townie - Killed N2

10. Pral, Lone Starr, Vanilla Townie - Killed N1

11. Kronos

12. Goldeneyes, The Bear, Vanilla Townie - Killed N1

13. AJ 

14. Tress

15. Des, Yoghurt, Vanilla Townie - Lynched D1

 

 

Subs:

 

1. Clov

2. Tsuki

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

************************************************************************************************************************************

 

 

 

List of players:

 

1. Darthe; Media; Journalist w watcher/tracker - Survived and WON

2. Hallia; Mister World; VT - Killed Night 1

3. Sili; The Intangibles; Goon - Lynched Day 2 - WON

4. Seph (m. Yates); Laura Moon; Phoenix - end gamed

5. Thane; Zorya Vechemyaya; VT - Lynched Day 3

6. Sooh Turin; Technical Boy; Jailkeeper - survived and WON

7. John Snow; Bilquis, 1xVig - Killed Night 1

8. Daetirion; Mr Nancy; VT - Lynched Day 1

9. NotBob; Mr Wednesday (Odin); 2x masonizer - Killed Night 2

10. Dice; Mr Ibis; VT (mason from N2) - Killed Night 3

11. Wombat; Easter; VT (mason from N1) - end gamed

12. AJ; Shadow; Bodyguard - Lynched Day 4

 

[Pralaya]

 

The honest impression i am getting here is that, even when Turin or Pral make good points, you (meaning you, Zander and Laine) basically gun those points down and want to convince everybody that you're absolutely right. Basically that made catching up after a no-computer-day no fun to read at all. I love the three of you as people, i really do, but the attitude, i have to say, could be dimmed a bit in the game.

 

I can't and won't speak for Laine or Zander, but if I point something out as being false or troubling it's because it's either a blatant lie or a misrep. And I'm not planning on stopping doing that, because it's kind of my job to point out things that either don't make sense at all or are just opportunistic and twisting the truth. That's not going to change.

 

And yet you say Zander is town. Even now.

 

:facepalm

[Pralaya]

Screw this. I am taking the matter into my own hands.

[Zander?]

http://www.dragonmount.com/forums/index.php?app=forums&module=forums&section=findpost&pid=3606909

 

Sander can you look at this and tell me what you think???

 

 

I think that yes Ive been wrong twice.  it happens.  i was wrong last game as well.

 

I think Thane is town.

 

I dont feel I drove Nols lynch but I did drive Sooh/Turins.

 

i do feel that i had justifiable cause for both but I was wrong so I do have to own up to it.

 

No more messing around.  I refuse to have our Town lose to Wolves.

 

I am better then this and I will show it.

[Pralaya]

BG, Eldrick and Zander. Need to get this done

[BFG]

So you think on Day 1 that we had 4 trains on town?