[Basic] Supernatural Mafia ~ Game Over ~ Town Wins!!!

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OFFICIAL VOTE COUNT
 
Nolder(2):  Alannalynn,  Nynaeve
Sooh(2): Pralaya, Zander
alannalynn(1): Lily
Thane(2): BFG, bgrishinko
Zander(2): Turin, Nolder
 
Not Voting: Thane, Sooh, Eldrick
 
With 12 alive, it takes 7 to lynch.

[Nolder]

Youre casing me with something that is incorrect

Nothing I've said is incorrect. This is a lie.

 

hence why im asking for examples which you havent been able to provide.

I provided examples every time you asked. This is another lie.

 

Im not gonna try and help you build a case on me Nol....lol.  What do you mean by spaces?  You find it odd that Im asking you to prove your case against me?

I never asked you to help me build a case.

It's plainly obvious what I mean by spaces.

I don't understand where your last question is coming from, I said nothing like that.

 

I told you what I felt.  if you think thats lazy thats fine but youve yet to prove anything with quotes so I guess we both are lazy.

No you told me what other people felt. There is a huge difference.

And Zander, my friend, quotes will only make you look worse than you already do.

But if you insist.

 

You quoted my post and using the words You're, hence talking to me.  Nice try tho.

You're right but I still really wasn't talking to you.

That's my bad. Poor choice of words in my post.

 

I did say I was wrong there and in a response to Nyn.  Again nice try.

 

But you didnt say they were piggybacking which is part of your case against me.  You can see why that sticks out to me.

Why would I said they were piggybacking?

Can you show me where you said I was suspicious for asking questions before Nyn brought it up?

You only said that after she did.

[LilyElizabeth]

 

Here's what I have so far. Please remember that day one is hard for me, because we have no flips. Be gentle...

 

1. Turin – His reads mostly agree with mine. Strongest town read.

2. Zander – Don’t like his using his meta. That’s scummy.

3. Sooh – cutting her slack until she feels better. I personally hate it when people judge me on my posting when I’m sick or distracted.

4. Nolder – Don’t see what all the fuss is about. He seems like Nol. Null read

5. Laine – Coming after me because I came after her. And also using her meta. Scummy.

6. Nyn – Liking her content so far.

7. Pral – Waiting for him to join us

8. Eldrick – Seems like normal Eldrick to me so far.

9. Lily – most townie in all the land

10. Thane – Don’t like the 99.9% comment either, but don’t see it as terribly scummy. He admits this week is hard for him because of his work schedule. Like Sooh, I’d rather give him time. Null read for now.

11. BGrishinko – like his posts. Strong town read so far.

12. BFG - Ditto

 

You keep saying using Meta is scummy but let me ask you this then, if someone is building a case on you based on Meta that is both incorrect and irrelevant based on what that person said themselves, is it not ok to use prove-able facts about said Meta to debunk the case?

 

Im not the one who brought up Meta, it was brought up against me so I proved it wrong.

 

 

Meta isn't relevant - period. We should be focusing on this game right now. Like I said, anyone can change their meta. So, it's a stupid argument to begin with, and using your own meta to clear yourself is scummy. 

[Nynaeve]

 

 

-snipi-

 

Nolder - He has recently moved down for me. I don't like his reasoning for voting Pral. His question to Zander was weird.

 

 

 

 

You're right nolder. I read that completely wrong.

[unvote]

 

 

 

I agree with Zander here, which is how I jumped to the conclusion I did. Not wanting to invite someone into your town core isn't very far from calling them scum. Yes, you didn't vote him, but you made it sound like you were gunning for him to be on your wtl because of his meta.

 

 

This sequence is gross.

[Eldrick4221]

 

 

 

 

 

-snipi-

 

Nolder - He has recently moved down for me. I don't like his reasoning for voting Pral. His question to Zander was weird.

 

 

 

You're right nolder. I read that completely wrong.

 

[unvote]

 

I agree with Zander here, which is how I jumped to the conclusion I did. Not wanting to invite someone into your town core isn't very far from calling them scum. Yes, you didn't vote him, but you made it sound like you were gunning for him to be on your wtl because of his meta.

 

This sequence is gross.

I'm tempted to remote him over it. He talked me out of voting him because I had my facts wrong, but my reason still exists, I just had it worded wrong.

 

I'm also not feeling Zander right now either, though. I could go either way.

[Nynaeve]

Meta isn't relevant - period. We should be focusing on this game right now. Like I said, anyone can change their meta. So, it's a stupid argument to begin with, and using your own meta to clear yourself is scummy. 

 

I think you're missing the point, though. It's okay if you made a personal choice not to weigh in meta. That's perfectly legitimate. But If someone was using false meta to try to imply that you were pinging, wouldn't you respond appropriately?  

[Eldrick4221]

Revote*

[Zander?]

 

Youre casing me with something that is incorrect

Nothing I've said is incorrect. This is a lie.

 

Prove it with quotes.  I can say things as well.  The truth is in the proof.

 

hence why im asking for examples which you havent been able to provide.

I provided examples every time you asked. This is another lie.

 

No you just said stuff without actually providing the quotes. Only thing you were right about with the fact i said you voted Pral which I was wrong about.

 

Im not gonna try and help you build a case on me Nol....lol.  What do you mean by spaces?  You find it odd that Im asking you to prove your case against me?

I never asked you to help me build a case.

It's plainly obvious what I mean by spaces.

I don't understand where your last question is coming from, I said nothing like that.

 

You told me to find quotes to prove what you were saying.  Its up to you to prove your reason for voting me not mine.

I dont know what you mean by spaces at all

You didnt but you keep saying im asking for quotes, which I am, because youre voting me and you havent proved anything youre saying youre sussing me for.

 

I told you what I felt.  if you think thats lazy thats fine but youve yet to prove anything with quotes so I guess we both are lazy.

No you told me what other people felt. There is a huge difference.

And Zander, my friend, quotes will only make you look worse than you already do.

But if you insist.

 

Yes use the quotes to prove everything I asked.  Isnt your job to make me look worse if you think I'm actually Scum and try to prove your case against me?

 

You quoted my post and using the words You're, hence talking to me.  Nice try tho.

You're right but I still really wasn't talking to you.

That's my bad. Poor choice of words in my post.

 

Thank you

 

I did say I was wrong there and in a response to Nyn.  Again nice try.

 

But you didnt say they were piggybacking which is part of your case against me.  You can see why that sticks out to me.

Why would I said they were piggybacking?

Can you show me where you said I was suspicious for asking questions before Nyn brought it up?

You only said that after she did.

 

Because you accused me of doing the same thing.  Why are you only calling me out on it when others are doing the same thing youre accusing me of.

I didn't say it before she did.  But a few things, 1st- its true 2nd- When Im town reading someone and they make a good point I tend to look at and see if its valid and go with it. 3rd- I have a hard time reading you which is pretty evident after last game.

 

 

Answers in red cause responding to quotes like this one is just awful for formatting.

[LilyElizabeth]

 

Meta isn't relevant - period. We should be focusing on this game right now. Like I said, anyone can change their meta. So, it's a stupid argument to begin with, and using your own meta to clear yourself is scummy. 

 

I think you're missing the point, though. It's okay if you made a personal choice not to weigh in meta. That's perfectly legitimate. But If someone was using false meta to try to imply that you were pinging, wouldn't you respond appropriately?  

 

 

Probably. I'll have to reread that section. 

[Nynaeve]

I'm tempted to remote him over it. He talked me out of voting him because I had my facts wrong, but my reason still exists, I just had it worded wrong.

I'm also not feeling Zander right now either, though. I could go either way.

 

I'm very interested to see which way you're gonna go.

[Zander?]

 

I'm tempted to remote him over it. He talked me out of voting him because I had my facts wrong, but my reason still exists, I just had it worded wrong.

I'm also not feeling Zander right now either, though. I could go either way.

 

I'm very interested to see which way you're gonna go.

 

 

Me too

 

Nyn as of right now who is in your WTL list and why?

[BFG]

Ok, this is going to be brief as I'm out soon :)

 

Eldrick

 

 

I'll preface it by saying I don't have a good track record reading him, I miscleared him one game, mislynched him recently and 'caught' him in another due to his links with teammates and watching him perform the NK not because I thought him overtly scummy.

 

That said, I don't like the push against him, so far it's 'tone' which nobody is explaining, 'gut feels' likewise, 'awkwardness' likewise and I always find him awkward and unless someone can explain the difference between this and other games where he's been mislynched then I'm probably ignoring it, at least for today.

 

I don't have a strong reason to think him town, but I'm willing to roll with it today and reassess tomorrow if necessary.

 

During Day 1 in Ragnarok (I'm afraid I don't have the motivation to go through 17 pages of ISo in a different game) he had a slower start (treating this as null, as he's been posting more as a general trend that I don't think is necessarily alignment indicative). He wasn't fluffy. He was more aggressive, he basically pushed people (Ocicat and Sili, maybe more, I did the ISO yesterday and didn't really take notes) and when he stopped pushing one he started pushing another (by which I mean he didn't really back off his pushes, he kept them open, he just pushed a different lynch instead), he kept going back to a consensus mafia read (Ocicat). There wasn't any visible interest in clearing town or removing people from the POE (I think his only town read was Cory). This is probably the biggest difference. He's moving on from a lot of people this game (not quite the same but he similarly backed off his Laine read in GnD, while the only person he backed off of in Ragnarok was a teammate and that was NEVER a real push, just an agreement that they were scummy followed by a post to say 'nah they're good') and doesn't seem to be taking the easy pushes, in Ragnarok you can see the agenda, I don't see it this game.

 

It's possible that the aggression is a false positive, mafia and town both needed to kill Loki in that game, so he was mafia hunting to an extent.

 

He focuses on mechanics as both mafia (in Ragnarok it was the Loki role), and town (vig's in monarchy). He was more aggressive and less fluffy in Star Wars (town) so that's not necessarily a tell either.

 

And that's it really, he's putting work in for himself, I don't understand why he's looking at the people he's looking at, but they've not been consensus reads, he's backed off from them of his own volition. I can't say this is townie for him, but it doesn't match his mafia game (I haven't looked at his older ones as they were just after he joined and his play style has changed since).

 

 

 

I'm not feeling the slight scum on Turin anymore. I was because I felt like he was misrepping, by voting Thane and quoting me. Apparently he was doing it for other reasons, was reading something into it, which is why he voted Thane.

 

I actually did get the names confused. Thane is one of the last people to post in the signups. His name was on my mind when I scanned the list to see who was #1 on the list (as my reason for joke vote). I looked again and realized I was wrong, so I switched my vote.

 

 

 

 

this conversation feels very familiar

 

I'm not sure I completely buy Sooh's earlier response either

Buy which response?

 

Oh, and before I forget. Zander, you're not at all Zander this game. You seem hostile, defensive, FOSing everyone (at least until recalibrating with Cory), and I don't see at all the townie Zander that I've come to expect. This has nothing to do with volume. It has to do with tone. You're using vocabulary that seems un-Zander and that is why I'll

 

[unvote]

[v]Zander[/v]

 

I agree that he's acting weird, but I'm giving him time to adjust to playing differently.

 

 

 

One of the things that has bugged me so far was Lily's vote changes. I went back and ISO'd her. They do seem more fluid and towny in that light.

 

 

I wasn't the one that originally brought up lily's vote changes. My looking into it and post about it are because I think it's coming from a towny mindset. I feel good about her for it. You are misrepping me by saying I am trying to make her look bad by what I said.

 

[v]BG originalclef[/v]

 

 

Glad you figured it out, BG. Please don't misrep me again. I'm going to [unvote] you now because you actually went through the trouble to look into it, but I got my eye on you.

 

 

[v]Nyn[/v]

 

I looked over the player list and can't remember any interactions with Nyn. Is she lurking?

 

 

Clearly not. Just not directly with what I was paying attention to, apparently.

 

My bad. [unvote]

 

Back to trying to sleep.

 

 

 

 

 

Zander I think you and I need to have a talk.

 

 

Ok whats up?

 

Not much, I just like to clear or condemn you early and I'd like to be able to do it soon.

 

Let's try some questions...

 

Gun to head which one person of the following people would you absolutely not let into the village right now: Sooh, Pral, Alanna, Thane, Eldrick.

 

 

Why these people specifically?

 

 

 

Nolder that's a terrible question when he's already mentioned scum reads on 2/5 and has null-town the rest lol

 

it is but its ok.  I wanna see where he goes with this.

 

 

@Nol- Why Pral?

 

Sorry everyone woke up and is talking to me now.

The thing about Pral, and I don't mean to be insulting, even when he's town I don't find his posts that helpful or insightful 90% of the time.

He's just kind of there. So that's more meta than anything else but that's why I chose him.

 

That's a terrible reason.

 

+1 on it being a terrible reason. you don't find him helpful as town, so you want to lynch him for not being helpful.

 

[v]Nolder[/v]

 

 

 

I have a lot of null reads, but that's ok for Day 1. It will sort itself out in time.

 

 

 

Eldrick - I know I'm town

Laine - I can't think of a gae where I didn't townread her. I was fooled last game, but those were very unique circumstances. I  knew she started out as town, and her tone didn't change because of riding the cop claim. I don't expect recruits in a basic game, so I'm confident giving her a town read this game.

BFG - I don't know what to look for in her scum game, but I have liked her play so far. Town lean.

Lily - Slight town. As I mentioned before, I didn't have an issue with her vote changes, like other people seemed to have. I haven't seen anything scummy from her.

Turin - Has an issue with him early on, but it was because I misread what he was doing. He hasn't done anything to catch my attention since. Null to slight town.

 

Pral - I'm not convinced of his towniness yet, but I am not voting for him for a while this game. He gets mislynched early on way too often, and I won't be a part of that this game.

Thane - Lots of joke posts, but IIRC that's normal for him, so null in that regard. Would like to see more game content from him, though. Null.

BG OGclef - Don't know him. People I don't know stay in null until I have a reason otherwise.

Zander  - Z has been different this game. I don't know how much of it is due to trying to change his playstyle and his being mentored. I'm not calling it scummy yet, but he's definitely not towning it up this time.

Sooh - She's been a topic of discussion for a lot of people. She has somehow slipped under my radar. I need to go back and ISO her. Not lynching her today because being sick sucks, and I want to give her a chance to show her towniness if she's town.

Nyn - As I mentioned earlier, I don't remember her interactions. Also someone I need to go ISO. Null

 

Nolder - He has recently moved down for me. I don't like his reasoning for voting Pral. His question to Zander was weird.

 

 

You're right nolder. I read that completely wrong.

 

[unvote]

 

 

 

 

TLDR: I can't pretend it's anything but low confidence, hence hero read... as far as I can tell when Eldrick's mafia he's more focused on pushing lynches. This game he's spent a fair bit of time looking for town and has removed people from his POE.

 

I really can't explain this well and I DON'T understand Eldrick. At the moment the pushes on him are for 'tone' (unexplained) and 'awkwardness' and similar 'gut feel' type reads. I always find Eldrick 'odd' so unless somebody can be more specific I can't do anything with it.

 

I'm not even sure this makes sense :/

[BFG]

And I'm running late, I'll be back later

[Nolder]

 

 

Youre casing me with something that is incorrect

Nothing I've said is incorrect. This is a lie.

 

Prove it with quotes.  I can say things as well.  The truth is in the proof.

 

hence why im asking for examples which you havent been able to provide.

I provided examples every time you asked. This is another lie.

 

No you just said stuff without actually providing the quotes. Only thing you were right about with the fact i said you voted Pral which I was wrong about.

 

Im not gonna try and help you build a case on me Nol....lol.  What do you mean by spaces?  You find it odd that Im asking you to prove your case against me?

I never asked you to help me build a case.

It's plainly obvious what I mean by spaces.

I don't understand where your last question is coming from, I said nothing like that.

 

You told me to find quotes to prove what you were saying.  Its up to you to prove your reason for voting me not mine.

I dont know what you mean by spaces at all

You didnt but you keep saying im asking for quotes, which I am, because youre voting me and you havent proved anything youre saying youre sussing me for.

 

I told you what I felt.  if you think thats lazy thats fine but youve yet to prove anything with quotes so I guess we both are lazy.

No you told me what other people felt. There is a huge difference.

And Zander, my friend, quotes will only make you look worse than you already do.

But if you insist.

 

Yes use the quotes to prove everything I asked.  Isnt your job to make me look worse if you think I'm actually Scum and try to prove your case against me?

 

You quoted my post and using the words You're, hence talking to me.  Nice try tho.

You're right but I still really wasn't talking to you.

That's my bad. Poor choice of words in my post.

 

Thank you

 

I did say I was wrong there and in a response to Nyn.  Again nice try.

 

But you didnt say they were piggybacking which is part of your case against me.  You can see why that sticks out to me.

Why would I said they were piggybacking?

Can you show me where you said I was suspicious for asking questions before Nyn brought it up?

You only said that after she did.

 

Because you accused me of doing the same thing.  Why are you only calling me out on it when others are doing the same thing youre accusing me of.

I didn't say it before she did.  But a few things, 1st- its true 2nd- When Im town reading someone and they make a good point I tend to look at and see if its valid and go with it. 3rd- I have a hard time reading you which is pretty evident after last game.

 

 

Answers in red cause responding to quotes like this one is just awful for formatting.

 

I'm going to read and respond this one time but just so you know for the future I normally don't read responses in quotes.

This is a thing that got way out of hand several years ago on DM and one time I got a splitting headache and I've refused to read this kind of thing since.

[Thane Vakarian]

ugh, this thing will be messed up, sorry for the quotes:

 

replying to BG's post here

 

Thanks Nyn. Here's all Thane's game related posts.

 

 

 

what happened the past two pages? Temporary insanity? Reads like it, sheesh.

Odd thing to say with no context given at all. 

 

At that point I really had no idea what was going on in the thread. It felt like a couple of kids yelling "you stink", pointing fingers at each other and the reason behind it was unclear. It'll be something I'll look into closer when we have some flips, because it would tell us something in hindsight imo.

 

 

 

 

the voting done by people... i'm still trying to figure out what happened and what triggered it....

??? With regards to what?

 

 

Got called on it. Explains. I missed this post the first time around, but it still doesn't explain why the "insanity"

 

I explained the feeling it gave me in the previous remark.

 

I'll spoiler this, just to avoid the HUGE WoT that's coming:

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

for me, not really, no. I've read over it a few times, but it still makes my head hurt. I'll definately look back at it once we have a flip or two though, maybe it'll all come together then.

Any success?

 

 

definately? don't know. But highly possible. But, as said above, i think it's a good thing to look back after some flips. Then it'd make more sense.

Something about the whole Lily exchange with Zander, Nolder voting Lily for it and unvoting her with just an explanation from her. And, Alanna being dragged into it by Sooh. There is definitely a bad one in this exchange,

 

Day 1 is a whole 'nother ball game when you don't know people's meta. It's kind of refreshing actually. 

 

 

bolded: I did answer, and came back to it earlier this post.  purple: agreed, but there's subtle poking and poking with jackhammers. Both give reactions, surely, but poking with jackhammers is extreme. 

 

 
what happened the past two pages? Temporary insanity? Reads like it, sheesh.

??? With regards to what?

 

This is a question that needs answering. Also high five on the avatar. 

 

I like Sooh's approach here. She doesn't know anything about me or my meta. So she pokes at me to learn more. Day 1 is all about the subtle pokes and seeing how people react. Underreactions and over reactions are the only meat we really have to go on. 

 

@Turin - I noticed the same soft claim thing but was kind of sitting on it to see if Zander was going to bring it up again or make a big deal out of it again. It always is fishy to me when people bring up claims so early either way, but not knowing meta wasn't sure what to make of it.

 

I think I'm willing to [v]Zander [/v] for now for this reason. Good as any at this point.

 

 

Eldrick confirmed not paying attention, lol

Clearly not. Just not directly with what I was paying attention to, apparently.

My bad. [unvote]

Back to trying to sleep.

 

Most noteworthy post. Still doesn't explain the "insanity" but writes it off. His reads at the end feel like a summed up list of other people's already stated opinions. 

Actually, not a bad list at all. I'm here at this point:

Probably lookin something like this:

 

Alanna
Zander
BFG
Turin
Thane
bgrishinko
Pralaya
Nyn
Lily
Nolder
Sooh
Eldrick

 

If you want explanations, I'm just going to YOLO really quick. I've explained my thoughts on Zander, even with his changes I believe he is town, but I probably wouldn't lynch him today regardless because I want more of a sample from him. Anyways, he's town slotted. BFG is feeling more BFG than in Clov's game, which is a strange thing to say but I wasn't really reading her as town last game and here I am feeling a lot better about her. Turin has been providing thoughts and I've mostly liked what he's had to say, I've also enjoyed his pushes and the reasoning behind them. Thane is skating by on his early excitement, but I want MOAR to get a stronger read either way. BG would be my weakest town read since it's based purely on gut at this point, so we'll see what happens there as well. Of course Pralaya is purely null- I don't see any extra activity from him even with a smaller page count so I'd really like for him to get in here and give us his thoughts. Nyn is null for me as well, there are some things I'm looking for from her which I haven't seen so I don't feel comfortable calling her town. Lily is there for her vote thing, Nolder for his, and an overall weirdness. Plus Nolder is pinging for trying to buddy me and an overall gut-scum feeling. Sooh is all over the place and it's frustrating because I don't know what is due to sickness or what could be scummy, so I'll wait for her to improve. She definitely doesn't feel like town!Sooh at this point. Eldrick is different from his normal weird and not in a good way. I agree that some of his posts feel forced and he seems to be posting more jokes than content at this point when I would prefer the opposite especially when some are making an extra effort to tone it down.

 

Thane

Turin

Alanna

BFG

Zander
bgrishinko
Nyn

Pralaya

 

 Sooh
Lily
Nolder
Eldrick 

 

 

The order would be "most likely to be town to least likely to be town" at this point. I'm really liking Turin so far. Zander,  who i am slowly starting the figure out (the lolololol-guy was easier to read imo, but whatever), is in the town pile for now. Though early softclaiming and all, not really a fan of it. Eldrick, at this point, looking worst of all. Nolder's play gives me a little tingle when reading it. not going to put him to the townie folk, slight wolfie lean. all the other people? If you're black, i still need some time to figure you out, so you're null, for now. You're green without comment? I like the tone and/or gameplay so far

 

 

 

 

I'll be around some, working this night (been nearly 2 years since i had my last nightshift, ugh)

 

Well, I didn't actually agree with a few reads, hence why i switched some names in my list compared to the others.

 

I can, yes.

 

ohh... 

 

wait a sec... 

 

you want me to? Ok, that works:

 

Overall, i like Turin's involvement in the game. Questioning, poking, investigating. He's 99.9% town imo this game. When questioned, he does try to explain, in his best way, the point he wanted to make. 

Sooh: I don't know. I can't point a finger and say 'town' or 'wolf'. I'll give her some time to get better and perhaps I'll be able to read her better later on in the game.

Nolder: As i said, it's a feeling at the back of my mind when reading his posts this game. Spidey sense, sorta. It's not a full blown wolf-accusation yet, but he's on my radar for now

Me no likey 99.9% post. Sooh and Nolder are both hand-wavey "pay no attention to my lack of  real opinion" moves.

 

I had Sooh as a null at this point, and only a slight scum lean on Nolder. Nothing concrete, but only a feeling i got. I work a lot on gut feeling D1, and I would think that quite a few players in here know that i do that D1 (I don't like D1, i really need a flip or two  to start connecting dots). As far as the 99.9% goes: i see some people don't like this statement of mine. I, however, think i can read Turin quite well, and certainly at this point there's no reason I would see him as scum. Can I be wrong? Yes, of course, but I'd be very surprised if I'd be wrong on him.   

 

 

 

I wish i could. I explained what reads i had in my post. The problem i have is the same as in every single game i play in: i need a flip, or two, to start connecting dots. I dislike D1, cause it's more or less shooting blind. I work with tone a lot early game. Also, i just had 3 hours of sleep after working all night, and I need coffee right now.

 

Thane, can you please expand on all these reads?

 

 

@Turin: I'd say it would be normal if I interact with the people I am online with at a certain time of day. Unfortunately, I can't stay awake 24/7 and interact with everybody. Sorry about that. *hands a cookie*

 

People linking Laine and Zander.... As far as I can tell, they interact well every single game they play in together, so I don't know if that would be a scumtell for either of them to be honest. The fact that players are commenting on it is interesting and should be kept in mind for a later stage in the game.

 

I'm not fit today, and have some errands to run (silly paperwork andpick up my new cosplay outfit) Feel like a trainwreck so probably not as active today. Trying to stay awake to not mess up my biorhythm completely is hard.

 

Feel bad for the off hours, but never use real life as an excuse for poor play unless you gotta drop out or you won't be around for a day or two. Stresses of life often make it easier for people to screw up in thread as they aren't thinking about it as hard. Mafia will avoid posting much to not screw up. Town will generally still give opinions. 

 

I'm here, I'm here. Trying to do what i can. I'm never one of the top posters in a game, but the content should increase later on in the game. If it doesn't, then call me out for it. Slacking town is not good, indeed. I give my opinions when i see something worth mentioning, even though people may not agree with them or think they're odd.

 

 

 

 

 

Thane, can you please expand on all these reads?

I wish i could. I explained what reads i had in my post. The problem i have is the same as in every single game i play in: i need a flip, or two, to start connecting dots. I dislike D1, cause it's more or less shooting blind. I work with tone a lot early game. Also, i just had 3 hours of sleep after working all night, and I need coffee right now.

@Turin: I'd say it would be normal if I interact with the people I am online with at a certain time of day. Unfortunately, I can't stay awake 24/7 and interact with everybody. Sorry about that. *hands a cookie*

People linking Laine and Zander.... As far as I can tell, they interact well every single game they play in together, so I don't know if that would be a scumtell for either of them to be honest. The fact that players are commenting on it is interesting and should be kept in mind for a later stage in the game.

I'm not fit today, and have some errands to run (silly paperwork andpick up my new cosplay outfit) Feel like a trainwreck so probably not as active today. Trying to stay awake to not mess up my biorhythm completely is hard.

The order would be "most likely to be town to least likely to be town" at this point. I'm really liking Turin so far. Zander, who i am slowly starting the figure out (the lolololol-guy was easier to read imo, but whatever), is in the town pile for now. Though early softclaiming and all, not really a fan of it. Eldrick, at this point, looking worst of all. Nolder's play gives me a little tingle when reading it. not going to put him to the townie folk, slight wolfie lean. all the other people? If you're black, i still need some time to figure you out, so you're null, for now. You're green without comment? I like the tone and/or gameplay so far

The above are your stated reasons, except they're not reasons saying you like Turin isn't a reason for liking him...

Would it surprise you if I told you that in the 5 games I ISOd last night that you have never had completely unreasoned leans Day 1 as town except GnD which you basically didn't play till end Day 2 and this includes games you were clearly struggling Toledo up?

Ok though, can you expand your read on Eldrick? He's scummiest for you, why?

 

I'm trying what i can this game, with the crazy schedule I have at work this week. Early shift, late shift, night shift in 3 days.It's messing with me, and i hope I'lll improve when i get a more regular pace at the job. It wouldn't surprise me, no.  But, i saw people posting their leans, didn't fully agree with them and felt like sharing my leans this game so people would (hopefully) know how I was feeling about the players.    

 

For Eldrick, without quotes: I don't like the tone of his game so far. I've mentioned him not paying attention twice (?) and I feel he's quite selective, if that makes sense. My spidey senses are tingling when I re-read his posts. Something is wrong here, but it'd be hard for me to point out a single or multiple posts at this point.

 

More hand wavey talk.

 

If i get anything concrete on someone, I'll point it out and we can talk about it

 

Turin: I remember something about you commenting on me interacting with your top scum reads. Found it, it's in your reads list:

 

"10. Thane- mafia. I see all sorts of interaction between him and others I am suspicious of. Z and Laine have him as too high on their lists IMO. Eldrick may have spewed him maf. Plus his reaction to Eldrick and then my vote on him feels a bit of the same "don't engage and hope it goes away" that mafia will use on early votes. My only real concern is that it may be a case of mafia leaving him for a later mislynch. "

 

If your wolf leans are on when I am, and they're the only ones I could interact with.... I just wonder how that would automatically make me mafia too. It raises a few question marks in my little mind, if you can understand.

 

Asynchronous Game format. You can interact with people who aren't online. Just takes longer.

 

Anyway, overall, looks like someone backseating it, maintaining a somewhat low profile and piggy backing on other leads.

 

Hmm... well, I'll try to interact with players. I'm replying to this post here, even though you're not around(i think). I just prefer to interact with other players real time. I ask you to be a bit more patient with me. I'll find those wolves, preferably sooner than later, and then we can lynch them and have a victory for town, celebrate and have drinks in The Burning Arrow over in The Band of The Red Hand SG. I'll buy the drinks *nods*    

[Thane Vakarian]

i lost the post here, but the original thoughts of mine of Zander pointing out Eldrick/Lily:

 

original reaction just reading this: Why is Zander pointing this out? He seems to be overthinking this. Eldrick is Lily's son, i think everybody here knows that. It makes for a special kind of interaction at times, but nothing that had happened seemed to merit a reaction like Zanders' imo.

[Thane Vakarian]

ugh, sorry about all that. I'm having a fight with my laptop and it's winning

[Nynaeve]

 

 

I'm tempted to remote him over it. He talked me out of voting him because I had my facts wrong, but my reason still exists, I just had it worded wrong.

I'm also not feeling Zander right now either, though. I could go either way.

 

I'm very interested to see which way you're gonna go.

 

 

Me too

 

Nyn as of right now who is in your WTL list and why?

 

 

Nolder needs to die. I explained my concerns. I also don't like that he won't commit to some read on most of the players. And I'm not liking him at all in his exchange with you.

Eldrick. I was willing to give him the benefit of the doubt for a while because I suck at reading him, but I've REALLY disliked his posts today. Him debating between voting Nol or you atm is making me want to stun gun myself.

 

Pral and Sooh would be second tier but Pral has yet to show and respond to my questions so... eh. I don't see myself going that way without giving him a chance to explain himself and give his read list. But I think he does belong in the WTL, for pressure purposes if anything else. I hope he shows up soon (so, subject to change). And Sooh I'm still mulling over. I've explained what I didn't like about her (reasoning for pushing you and also her backing up suspicion on Lily for switching votes from you to Alanna). She's been asking some questions but I've yet to see her conclusions from it. So I want to see what she bring to the table. There's still quite a bit of time, either way.

 

I think that's pretty much where I'm at right now.. Thane and BG are a bit of a question mark as well.... and I'd like to see more from Alanna.... but there's always tomorrow.

[LilyElizabeth]

 

this conversation feels very familiar

 

I'm not sure I completely buy Sooh's earlier response either

Buy which response?

 

Oh, and before I forget. Zander, you're not at all Zander this game. You seem hostile, defensive, FOSing everyone (at least until recalibrating with Cory), and I don't see at all the townie Zander that I've come to expect. This has nothing to do with volume. It has to do with tone. You're using vocabulary that seems un-Zander and that is why I'll

 

[unvote]

[v]Zander[/v]

 

 

 

 

 

 

So after a reread with CoryGOAT, here is where I am atp:

 

[v] unvote [/v]

 

Thane- Engaged and committed

Nyn- Making good observations and points.  Decent presence ITT.

BFG-  More active then Id expect as a wolf!BFG atp

 

Alanna- I didnt hate her response to my question.  I'm more worried about her atp then Cory is.

 

BG- Null and dont know him really.  Want to hear his response to my question.

Nolder- I think we came back weird for just about every post of his.  But Nol posts weird so Null

Turin- Here for now.  Wanna see some more content before passing judgement as I was wrong on him in the last game.

Pral-  Need more to go off of.

 

Lily- This is one spot were kinda were I differ from Cory he has her higher and has more experience with her then me as I have none.  But I wasnt a fan of her switching off her votes as soon as questions arose.

 

Eldrick- Feels very forced

Sooh-  Sooh is sick but I feel like after last game Sooh should be Town telling better atp.  Also something I noted was her Null stance on Eld.  May be nothing but where I have them both scummy its something I noticed.

 

[v] Sooh [/v]

 

Could just as easily vote Eld atp.

 

 

"Sooh is sick, but I expect her to always and in every game be acting the same as she did last time she was town" - What?

"She has a null stance on Eldrick" - After about six hours of D1 I had a null stance on a guy who arguably plays strangely and is often mislynched for being odd. That's really scummy. 

 

Are you for real Zan?

 

 

@Zander - Are these all the posts that Sooh referenced your meta? They are what I found before I got distracted by ooo, shiney.

 

 

 

 

Turin, thoughts on Pral?

Only 3 posts that I sort of just glossed over. Looking back at the content I am a little concerned. He named nearly half the game saying there was a baddie in the group. Random says that most.likely correct. I disagree with the vote on Sooh. I think from what he posted Nol or Lily would be a more appropriate vote. He seems to.be voting Sooh for bad play rather than mafia play.

 

Maybe I am reading that wrong but it leads me to see a possible Nolder, Alanna, Pral team. Which would mean I am wrong about Thane.

Can you expand on what you're seeing connects Pral to myself and Lily? I'm not understanding that.

It was Alanna I see you and Pral possibly working with. You both seem to have mentioned some things about her and/or put her in your wtl pile but are pointing away from her.

 

It gives me the feel of soft distancing While defending. Nolder, you went for Lily once she voted Alanna but removed your vote from her directly after she unvoted Alanna. Pral voted Sooh (wrongly IMO) for "dragging Alanna into the thing with Z, lily and you". I don't recall that happening. Maybe Pral can explain and/or show where that happened.

 

 

I don't know why I didn't remember the bold. It changes Nol to a slight scum lean for me. 

[Nynaeve]

To be fair, I liked BG's ISO of Thane because it had more meat to it. I don't really feel the same way about Thane, but at least it feels like he put some thought into it. Would have liked him to have done the ISO prior to his vote on Thane, though. 

[Zander?]

 

Vote Eldrick

 

 

 

Cuz I said I would. Family love and all that. 

 

 

 

Vote Eldrick

 

 

 

Cuz I said I would. Family love and all that.

Nice of you to stick to your guns from signup.

 

 

 

After very careful thought and deliberation, I don't know if I'm buying this whole Mother/Son shtick.  It feel feels like its forced and somewhat contrived. I think this kind of gambit is much likely to come from a Scum!Lilly and Scum!Eldrick POV..

 

It feels like they have an agenda and are already setting the stage for some sort of claim later in the game.

 

I mean I feel like they're really trying hard to sell us this connection or relationship but with this type of obvious gambit no one is buying into this in my opinion.

 

 

Its page one...come on now.

 

Obv I know theyre Mother and Son and I called it a shtick....come on now.

 

A page 1 gambit from a vote...really?  Come on now

 

So you think i really thought they were both Scum atp and were making a late game play this early? Come on now.

 

Like I think that they are trying to sell us on being mother/son....come on now.

 

 

Now everyone please take a moment to think about this and ask yourself is this serious or a joke. 

[Nolder]

Prove it with quotes. I can say things as well. The truth is in the proof.

I think the burden of proof is on you.

What have I said that's incorrect?

 

No you just said stuff without actually providing the quotes. Only thing you were right about with the fact i said you voted Pral which I was wrong about.

The quotes aren't necessary if you've been reading the game.

Most of it is from just a few pages ago anyway.

Your preoccupation with quotes is just a way of deflecting and not having to actually answer for the things you've said and done.

It's a poor tactic though because it either banks on my being lazy or just delays the inevitable.

 

Name what you want quoted.

 

You told me to find quotes to prove what you were saying. Its up to you to prove your reason for voting me not mine.

I did no such thing.

 

I dont know what you mean by spaces at all

The spaces between your sentences in your post.

 

You didnt but you keep saying im asking for quotes, which I am, because youre voting me and you havent proved anything youre saying youre sussing me for.

Wtf is with this "prove with quotes" nonsense?

Quotes are nice, quotes are great, it's even ideal.

But if I say for example that the first person I voted in this game was Alanna it doesn't make it a lie if I don't quote the post. It's not like it never happened without a quote. The way you're acting about quotes is unreasonable and highly irregular. I'll quote every post you need quoted if that's what it takes but I've never seen someone take this tactic before. Like you're tying to say that everything I've said is pure fantasy because I didn't quote everything I'm talking about. It's ridiculous. Keep it up though. When you tell me what you want quoted and I give you the quotes you're going to have nothing to say because if you did you wouldn't have bothered with this absurd reasoning of "no quotes means it never happened", you would have just gotten on with defending yourself.

 

Yes use the quotes to prove everything I asked. Isnt your job to make me look worse if you think I'm actually Scum and try to prove your case against me?

Again I've never seen someone take such issue with quotes before. I think you're making yourself look far worse demanding everything be backed up by quotes than anything I could say about you.

 

Because you accused me of doing the same thing. Why are you only calling me out on it when others are doing the same thing youre accusing me of.

I didn't say it before she did. But a few things, 1st- its true 2nd- When Im town reading someone and they make a good point I tend to look at and see if its valid and go with it. 3rd- I have a hard time reading you which is pretty evident after last game.

Again I don't see them piggybacking you I see you piggybacking them, which is why I'm not calling them out.

If you want to tell me when you said something they said before they said it go right ahead but I don't remember you saying anything until they said it first.

[Zander?]

@ Nol I said you were weird before anyone else did

 

Im asking for quotes like the same way Ive been asking Sooh.  Cause both of your cases have little to no merit and I expect you to prove it.

 

Quotes for where you said I was aggressive and to prove the other stuff youve been saying to me.

 

I want proof of your cases with quotes for when I die and flip Town people will see the fake stuff made up against me and know what to do. 

 

Quotes are ideal so people know wth youre talking about.  This is pretty basic stuff brother.

 

I space when im referring to different things and I find it easier to read...deal with it.

 

We can do this back and forth thing all day if you want.  But youre voting me.  Lay out your case with proof of what youre saying.  Or if youd like we can Thunderdome if you like.  Choice is all yours my friend.

 

Its Put Up or Shut up time imo

 

 

 

You told me to look for Lily's quote, why should I, I dont agree with hardly anything you are saying about me so I want you to show me what led you to your conclusions..

[Nolder]

I'll get your quotes in a bit I'm watching some youtube videos.

I'm ok with a Thunderdome too, pretty damn sure town doesn't act the way you're acting and either way it'll end up with you dead.

If not first then second.

 

As a side note I didn't tell you to look for Lily's quote I said I was going to make myself some breakfast so if you wanted someone to do it for you you'd have to wait until I got back.

I really didn't care one way or another whether you read Lily's quote or not because, again, it wasn't about you. And again that was my bad with the wording I see where you got the impression from but now you know.

[Zander?]

I'll get your quotes in a bit I'm watching some youtube videos.

I'm ok with a Thunderdome too, pretty damn sure town doesn't act the way you're acting and either way it'll end up with you dead.

If not first then second.

 

As a side note I didn't tell you to look for Lily's quote I said I was going to make myself some breakfast so if you wanted someone to do it for you you'd have to wait until I got back.

I really didn't care one way or another whether you read Lily's quote or not because, again, it wasn't about you. And again that was my bad with the wording I see where you got the impression from but now you know.

 

 

I act the way I act because I have no need to be afraid or have a problem saying what I want because I know Im Town.

 

Ill let you decide if you wanna build your case against me first or just settle it in the Dome.  Makes no difference to me.