Frozen Mafia Game Thread--GAME OVER--MAFIA WIN

[Kaylee]

I don't like how he said AJ wad pushing an agenda. I also don't agree with what he said about me since it's wrong.

[Sili Quirrels]

  On 9/15/2015 at 4:41 AM, Kaylee said:

 

  On 9/15/2015 at 4:03 AM, Sili Quirrels said:

 

  On 9/15/2015 at 3:24 AM, Andrej said:

Anyone wanna touch on Razen's reads?

 

The thing that tilts me about him currently is thinking back to TUS game he was very clean. I made an observation there that I thought his ISO heavy filter could've been a smoke screen to avoid meaningful interaction but that was before I realized there was more scum than just my team. Regardless the observation held true. Anyway - the point I'm making is that now I'm unsure if he's one of those super clean wolves and inversely a scummy villager. I still have a hard time getting over the amount of hyperbole in his early cases though

HIs read list is well thought out. Seems he spent a lot of time crafting it.

 

His read of pralaya can easily be scum scum though.

By crafting do you mean you think he made it up, or are you saying you like his reads? Just trying to understand what you're saying.

 

I think they're 'safe' reads besides a couple outliers.

 

I think we craft long readslist like that for consumption.To persuade people you are town is why you make em'.

[Sili Quirrels]

Anyway, Razen's long posts lack spontaneity. So I call them constructed.

 

Constructed doesn't mean scum in this sense, but it can... actually depends on the person imo.

[Sili Quirrels]

  On 9/15/2015 at 4:43 AM, Sili Quirrels said:

 

  On 9/15/2015 at 4:30 AM, Andrej said:

I'll resist the urge to answer.

 

And that Sili quote is pretty clear. Sili is just a wolfy soab

huh?

 

I do take offense.

[Kaylee]

  On 9/15/2015 at 4:46 AM, Sili Quirrels said:

Anyway, Razen's long posts lack spontaneity. So I call them constructed.

 

Constructed doesn't mean scum in this sense, but it can... actually depends on the person imo.

Fair enough

[Sili Quirrels]

Not like I try to be villagery though. Cause it's my style to be extra-emotional.

[Sili Quirrels]

It struck me as odd Razen gave me a null+ read. I would have thought he'd leave himself more room to vote me in the event he had to build a more relevant wagon on me.

[Sili Quirrels]

Eh.

 

Hard to say if that's a meaningful observation though.

[Sili Quirrels]

I am just going to continue voting pralaya until I think to do otherwise.   

[Shad_]

  On 9/15/2015 at 1:37 AM, Hallia said:

 

  On 9/14/2015 at 4:18 AM, Sooh said:

Razen seems to be playing the "all players are scummy until proven otherwise"-game. That is something I have come to expect from a scum player rather than a townie. 

 

Shad, I like your tone so far this game.

I semi agree with you.  I like Shad's tone as well, but I don't see how that viewpoint is scummy.  I have seen several people play that way.

 

Anyone in particular I might know? Not a loaded question, just trying to get a grip on how you're interpreting Razen's play.

[Shad_]

  On 9/15/2015 at 4:53 AM, Sili Quirrels said:

It struck me as odd Razen gave me a null+ read. I would have thought he'd leave himself more room to vote me in the event he had to build a more relevant wagon on me.

Does that make you feel slightly better about him?

[Sili Quirrels]

I will corroborate what Hallia is saying.

 

Some people actually do play this game by assuming everyone is mafia.

 

It's probably an aspect of their game mentality. Some people (i.e. cory) look for a village core. Other people (i.e. Dice, Crispy from tmf, and a few others) look for scum only. More balanced individuals (i.e. me) go about it backwards and forwards intuitively, case to case, eventually forming a village core and a few suspects simultaneously.

[Sili Quirrels]

  On 9/15/2015 at 4:58 AM, Shad_ said:

 

  On 9/15/2015 at 4:53 AM, Sili Quirrels said:

It struck me as odd Razen gave me a null+ read. I would have thought he'd leave himself more room to vote me in the event he had to build a more relevant wagon on me.

Does that make you feel slightly better about him?

No. It makes me reluctant to join his train over pralaya though, cause stats. my gut is telling me the null+ read he might not make as town even though I know mafia that play cleanly like he is doing often wrap themselves up in a pov blanket.

[Sili Quirrels]

  On 9/15/2015 at 5:02 AM, Sili Quirrels said:

 

  On 9/15/2015 at 4:58 AM, Shad_ said:

 

  On 9/15/2015 at 4:53 AM, Sili Quirrels said:

It struck me as odd Razen gave me a null+ read. I would have thought he'd leave himself more room to vote me in the event he had to build a more relevant wagon on me.

Does that make you feel slightly better about him?

No. It makes me reluctant to join his train over pralaya though, cause stats. my gut is telling me the null+ read he might not make as town even though I know mafia that play cleanly like he is doing often wrap themselves up in a pov blanket.

 

ebwop:

 

No, but it makes me reluctant to join his train over the little cart i have parked on pralaya. cause stats.

 

my gut tells me he might not make the null+ read as mafia. but my head understands a clean player like he seems to be, might wrap themselves up in a pov blanket. Perhaps the null+ read on me is -ev but perhaps it's worth it to him.

[Sili Quirrels]

So in summary:

 

Yes, I feel less certain about him.

 

No, I do not feel better about him per say.

 

The most accurate thing I could say is I am more likely to fluxuate on Razen if he is villagery.

[Sili Quirrels]

Ya, I think I captured what I meant pretty well.

 

Kay, I am done for the day. Going to sleep.

[Sili Quirrels]

Sili Quirrels 162 Zander 61 Shad_ 46 Andrej 36 Kaylee 28 Thane Vakarian 28 Sooh 25 Aiel Heart 22 dicetosser1 16 Razen 16 Hallia 14 Verbal32 6 Pralaya 4 WolfbrotherKronos 2

 

 

I spammed a lot. :D

[Sili Quirrels]

Verbal only has 6 posts -_-

[Sili Quirrels]

http://www.dragonmount.com/forums/index.php?app=core&module=search&section=search&do=search&fromsearch=1

 

-_-

[Sili Quirrels]

sry was looking at kronos' two posts. lackluster of course. he pops in, thanks sooh for some memes (implying he's been lurking, reading them), and his other post is adding an Lotr meme to the mix.

[Sili Quirrels]

ebwop: cause thanking someone for a link of memes shows an interest in the memes.

[Andrej]

  On 9/15/2015 at 4:43 AM, Sili Quirrels said:

 

  On 9/15/2015 at 4:30 AM, Andrej said:

 

I'll resist the urge to answer.

 

And that Sili quote is pretty clear. Sili is just a wolfy soab

huh?

Was talking about your "slip"

 

Pretty clear to me you were speaking from Dice's perspective

[Andrej]

I'm still wary of Razen. I agree that post is well constructed but I know he can do that as scum so I can't town read him for it.

 

Idk if he's trying to pacify me or what, but he never actually did respond to my accusations directly.

[Sili Quirrels]

or rather, he wedges into the meme conversation to thank sooh for the memes, which reads as a) he was reading along, felt integrated in the conversation, or b) he wanted to make conversation which is awkward.

[Andrej]

I'm also going to bed.

 

Last note: @Kaylee - Razen is actually saying he doesn't feel I am pushing an agenda.