[Advanced] The Usual Suspects Mafia - GAME OVER - COPS WIN

[Zander?]

Oh goodness these reads are so flaky... rofl

 

I don't remember specifically what some people posted, just that as I was going through and ISOing posts, that I liked what they had already posted.

 

lollll (wants to lololol so bad, it's all Zander's fault)

 

let the lolololololol flow freely

 

@ Mish, I did mention you and Kiv.

Thought too much was being made on Kivs vote stuff, thought your posts honest, but didn't like your vote on Shad.

 

Zander...you missed the Qs over his emo stuff, didn't like it

 

not ready to give a reads list yet :p

 

pretty sure i answered it if not post it.

[Darthe]

Yates what's Razen done right iyo? I recall him making a couple of feeler posts in early game that really rubbed me wrong, something about his uncertainty getting back into the game and how he weighs things out.

[Pralaya]

This is what I think of the game so far. Not detailed reads but short brief summaries.

 

Town:

CorKey (Cory/Keyholder) - Both Cory and Key have been sounding good. Been a long time since I played with Cory and his tone (especially those with emo) tells that it is town Cory. Need to see how his votes long term to get more idea

 

Nyce (Nyn/Dice) - Pretty solid town. I may be biased but I liked the fact that she defended me when Kiv voted me. A scum Nyn would have taken advantage of the situation. Her tone in the arguments looks genuine. Dice has been pretty fine too. 

 

Yates - I like his reads in general. Good observations on the AJ/Clov thing. And mor importantly no gambits yet :)

 

Talya - Has been pretty solid in her posts. I feel she is genuinely scum-hunting and the tone is genuine. 

 

Slightly Townish:

 

ClovFG (Clov/BFG) - I have been pretty fine with Clov and he seems to be looking at Clov. Cory did not like BFG posts because her reads were superficial but I think that's how she usually plays D1. She is a late-game player

 

Seph/Zander hydra - I don't see the reason why his train has built up. Yeah, he had some argument with Kiv but I didn't see anything scummy in that. Zander plays a bit like that - quick, out of order replies. Seen him do that as town in a couple of games

 

Razen - Seems to be giving logical arguments throughout the game. His vote on Lenlo appeared out of nowhere though. However, as of now, I think he is townish.

 

Null:

 

Lenlo - A bit here and there. Seen nothing bad but nothing good either. 

 

Nolderf (Nolder/Darthe) - It is clear from his posts that he has not read the game. But, I agree with Wombat that both Darthe and Nolder have been relatively silent compared to other games

 

AJ - Another person who has been a bit less active compared to what I have seen his usual play. But, he has checked in - so that is good

 

Beck Csarmi - Lot of posts, no substance yet. Null

 

Laine - Not many posts. Mentioned she was busy and I need to see more from her

 

wish-tree/Celeste hydra - I can understand how they are finding it difficult to assess meta this early in the game. I don't really know how they play. So, null for now

 

Slightly Scummy:

 

Shad - Has been quite active. His vote on Mish looks OMGUS more than anything. Did not find it a strong enough reason to vote her and keep the vote on what is now one of the leading trains   

 

Wombicat (Wombat/Ocicat) - Lot of one-liner replies. Looks to be posting just to show some activity. His replies have ben kinda hollow and pointless. Not sure what to make of it

 

Hallia - I had raised earlier about how her vote seems parked and was vague reasoning. Not many posts but otherwise playing well. Conflicted about her right now 

 

Sili - Tough to get to know Sili's alignment early in the game - need to see his vote trains later in the game for more info. I didn't like his read list  early in the game. Other posts also looks forced. But, I lam fine with his votes and reasoning there

 

Scum:

 

Kivish (Kivam/Mish) - Kiv's play has been weird. Almost every move, he keeps saying he is reaction testing when called out. He did that for the AtE thing with Zander. He voted me and then said he is testing reaction. He unvoted Zander and voted him back after a few pages and said he unvoted to test Zander's reaction. It looks a bit forced to be honest. Frankly, Mish seems townie in her posts but Kiv is the exact opposite

 

John Snow - Vague and weird, so far. Read list out of nowhere and no explanations. This game, he is complete opposite to how he was in the British Monarchy game.  

 

 

[v]John Snow[/v]

[Pralaya]

 

I still don't remember where you have seen me play as scum. Care to help me?

Don't remember the game, or if I played or just watched; I don't keep track of old games.  You were a SK, IIRC.

 

 

Well, you are just making up stuff. I have not been a SK either. You just wanted an excuse to vote me, is what it looks like

[Yates]

What are wombats reads?

Don't think he's posted one. But afaict he is suspicious of Zander [his vote], Talya, and Hally. And maybe Laine.

 

I agree with his statement quoted by Yates above but am not sure if it's being used to advocate for or against him.

Click on the links. At that point he was advocating for Kiv against Zander, I think.

 

Can you help me figure out Clov?

[Darthe]

Wish tree quote above looks self referential. If it isnt then I'm voting wish-tree.

[Zander?]

 

Awake for a few mins. What's the current drama?

 

Lol.  At some point you guys will have to stop trolling and actually play you know.

 

 

Good point

 

 

 

its like in SW when I had went after Yates,  I couldnt explain myself in a way that others could/would follow and it wasnt till seph built the case that it got done.

Man. You guys were dumb. If we somehow got out of that? I would have rubbed it in your face FOREVER!!

 

 

You sealed your fate when you went against #WomboCombo

 

 

The only one who sealed their fate against Wombo/Combo was common sense imo.  RIP Heart Un'CC'd Doc...lololololololol

 

 

AJ- I need to see some more of.  i have no idea:

Clov/BFG-  Cant read Clov.  BFG usually pretty clear towny atp.  im not seeing it yet.

Nolder/Darthe-????

Wish- Stil looking pretty towny

Wombo- Same with AJ.

Yates- Looking good

Cory'Key- Ive had no problems here.

Talya- Havent seen her usual self. null

John Snow- I always think he's scummy...lolololol par for the course.

 

Why do you think John Snow is scummy?

 

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i find him scummy in like every game we've played in.  It was more of a joke but the Read List with no reasoning and little to nothing game related is off putting imo.

[wish-tree]

A Pralaya has appeared!

o.o

*watches*

[wish-tree]

Wish tree quote above looks self referential. If it isnt then I'm voting wish-tree.

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I'm saying that my own reads list is flaky... is that bad?

I'm sorry T.T

[Darthe]

Id rather figure out someone I can trust my read on first Yates, clov is a D2 issue at best.

[Darthe]

Id rather figure out someone I can trust my read on first Yates, clov is a D2 issue at best.

[Yates]

Yates what's Razen done right iyo?

I only have 9 minutes left so I'm going to be a bit lazy. But basically I like this post as an example of my overall impression. He's playing with a bunch of people for the first time and asking questions and making observations that seem to be genuine. Like that Nyn read for example. Or questioning Wombat bringing post count into the thread.

[Kaylee]

OFFICIAL VOTE COUNT

 

Seph/Zander (4): ClovFG, John Snow, Wombicat, Lenlo

Kivish (5): Hallia, Nyce, Zander/Seph, Shad, Sili

Lenlo (2): CorKey, Razen

Wombicat (1): AJ

John Snow (1): Yates, Pral

 

 

Not Voting (6): Csarmi, Talya, Wish/Celeste, Kivish, Nolderf, Laine

 

With 20 alive, it takes 11 to lynch.

 

Deadline is Monday Aug 17th @ 9am MST/Noon EST

[Zander?]

 

Can you touch on this slot for me.  Ive not been liking it at all but perhaps you have some meta or insight to share.  I havent played with either,

I think I've only played with Kivam twice and haven't played with Mish in a loooong time. The game I remember with Kiv was when he first started playing again and rolled scum with me. He's an "old school" type of player. I think there are others here with a lot more experience with him, like Wombat, who might be able to tell you more. I liked Wombat's one observation here:

Kiv ain't sloppy dude.  There's always a purpose.  Usually multiple purposes.  If he's scum, it's not because of this.  The best way to catch a scum Kiv imo is to see if he's ignoring inconvenient facts.  His logic is always spot on, but in order to get that to work, he has to ignore premises that could lead to troublesome conclusions.

This is what I'm going to be keeping my eye out for because this sounds like good advice for catching even really CONVINCING scum. At some point, it becomes impossible to ignore inconvenient facts. That's how Seph ultimately caught us when Cloudflare cheated and gave you too much time to actually look at what I was saying in Star Wars.

 

 

Thank you.

[wish-tree]

 

Yates what's Razen done right iyo?

I only have 9 minutes left so I'm going to be a bit lazy. But basically I like this post as an example of my overall impression. He's playing with a bunch of people for the first time and asking questions and making observations that seem to be genuine. Like that Nyn read for example. Or questioning Wombat bringing post count into the thread.

 

Wow... you're really organized. You really do follow a schedule.

 

What's up with bringing post count into the thread? Is it to fish out the lurkers?

[Cory Caboose]

I actually really, really, really don't hate that read list from Pral

[Nynaeve]

I was just gonna post saying the same thing

[Lenlo]

Question: I probably should have learned how to do this like 2 years ago, but how does one get a list/look at all the posts by one person? Ive never actually had to do this before. Or I had just been to lazy. Pick one.

[Yates]

What's up with bringing post count into the thread? Is it to fish out the lurkers?

Usually. And we have a joke [sort of but not really] DM meta about how scum are always in the low posters.

 

In Wombat's example, he was trying to show the other end of the spectrum to illustrate how 3 of the top posters were 1/2 of a hydra when most of them joined hydras because they claimed they didn't have time to play!

[Cory Caboose]

I was going to vote Lenlo but then I saw on the VC that our vote was there already

Key

[wish-tree]

Question: I probably should have learned how to do this like 2 years ago, but how does one get a list/look at all the posts by one person? Ive never actually had to do this before. Or I had just been to lazy. Pick one.

Oh! You can do that! Teach me too.

[Zander?]

Oh look there are things. Zander quote of Js above I concur with, it looks good. It's also very vanilla. but in a good way.

 

What are wombats reads? I agree with his statement quoted by Yates above but am not sure if it's being used to advocate for or against him.

 

Hello Darthe

[Cory Caboose]

Question: I probably should have learned how to do this like 2 years ago, but how does one get a list/look at all the posts by one person? Ive never actually had to do this before. Or I had just been to lazy. Pick one.

 

Profile -> Find Content -> Only Posts is the way I've always done it but I'm a drunk so maybe there's a better way

[wish-tree]

 

What's up with bringing post count into the thread? Is it to fish out the lurkers?

Usually. And we have a joke [sort of but not really] DM meta about how scum are always in the low posters.

 

In Wombat's example, he was trying to show the other end of the spectrum to illustrate how 3 of the top posters were 1/2 of a hydra when most of them joined hydras because they claimed they didn't have time to play!

 

Hahaha, I see.

[Zander?]

 

 

I still don't remember where you have seen me play as scum. Care to help me?

Don't remember the game, or if I played or just watched; I don't keep track of old games.  You were a SK, IIRC.

 

 

Well, you are just making up stuff. I have not been a SK either. You just wanted an excuse to vote me, is what it looks like

 

 

interesting.