British Monarchy Mafia- Game Over, Town Wins!!!

[Hallia]

Why would you happen to die today heart? It looks liike it'll be Snow.

[seph]

I made it back!!

Uhh I never voted dice razen.

[Aiel Heart]

I actually SEE where a lot of your reads are coming from, and can understand why you would interpret them the way you are. 

But then there's the other stuff.

That's what I hate about early game; so much is built on straws....

 

 

So does Seph become scum out of relation to Dice who I am seeing as Towny?

[Razen]

  On 7/16/2015 at 11:23 PM, seph said:

I made it back!!

Uhh I never voted dice razen.

 

Wait a minute...you didn't.  Now I really don't like Dice's reaction.

[Aiel Heart]

  On 7/16/2015 at 11:22 PM, Hallia said:

Why would you happen to die today heart? It looks liike it'll be Snow.

Chinese fire drills happen. Plus hypothetical questions have their place :P

 

  On 7/16/2015 at 11:23 PM, seph said:

I made it back!!

Uhh I never voted dice razen.

Hmmmm... Well THAT is interesting. Did you vote? 

 

Let's go diving....

[seph]

  On 7/16/2015 at 7:23 PM, dicetosser1 said:

 

  On 7/16/2015 at 10:40 AM, Razen said:

So I've been trying to work on putting together my big fancy reads list, but I fell asleep in the middle of doing that last night.  I need to go back through and see if I can put myself in the same state of mind as I was in while writing it.

 

One thing I can say that stuck out to me without putting myself back in that mind space was Dice's vote on Seph - it's completely unexplained.  Or, at least, it's not explained very well.  It's a very knee-jerk and defensive reaction.  He basically voted Seph for putting him towards the bottom of the read list.  Being prodded to post more isn't a bad thing.  At the very least, if I look at Dice's quality over quantity argument, I would want to see reasoned voting and strong arguments on who he felt was scum when he did post.  Instead, I see an OMGUS kind of vote with nothing behind it.

 

 

  On 7/15/2015 at 7:59 AM, dicetosser1 said:

So what changed from here

 

 

 

  On 7/15/2015 at 1:58 AM, seph said:

I am pretty dissapointed in dice iso. I list his posts in the spoiler, that actually have Content. There was a few more but most of them are fluff.

 

  Reveal hidden contents

 

 

  On 7/10/2015 at 10:32 PM, dicetosser1 said:

Right so i have been bad and not here  catching up now

 

 

  On 7/9/2015 at 8:50 PM, dicetosser1 said:

 

  On 7/9/2015 at 10:46 AM, Razen said:

 

  On 7/9/2015 at 7:34 AM, John Snow said:

Well since you guys are unable to scumhunt if I'm not ITT, I'll just shoot all my work and planning to heck.

 

I was waiting from Pralaya. Definitely dodging thread at this point. Was on at 1 pm yesterday, and 10 pm again. Nothing to say in thread. 

 

So here goes. What I was doing this game. 

 First off, I'm not a vig. I lied. I was kickstarting the game, and seeing who posted differently than normal (see also: my vote on Zander). I wanted to see who was just going to try to fluff their content to not get vigged. 

 

And that was all I was going to do. And then Pral claimed vig. And didn't vote me. Which I thought was weird as hell. 

 

 

But you know, I thought, heck let's see where this goes. And Pral's good with my claim. Which is really weird.

 

So I decided to spend the rest of the day trying to read Pral. My best plan was to see how Pral reacted to me playing poorly. I also wanted to see Pral's reaction to the mason thing. Also, I'm not a mason with Pral. FYI. Not even slightly. 

 

See, it's a solid play as a GF to fakeclaim vig. It's irrefutable. Other than the days you want to "vig" you have your team submit the kills. So I was guessing that Pral might be doing that. 

 

 

Instead Pral has dodged thread. Intentionally and consistently. (Protip: If you want to dodge thread, set your status to always show offline). Now while this isn't the most scummy thing Pral could do, it's the best play for a scum to do. Let the train on me ramp up, let town kill their vig, and get vetted by a townie death. And lose nothing. 

 

 

 

So that's my thought process. Any questions?

 

Also Pral obvscum imo. [unvote] [v]Pral[/v]

 

I'm confused.  First, you said you weren't the vig.  And then, you're saying that Pral's absence is allowing the train on you to ramp up and let us kill our vig.  You're contradicting yourself here.

 

For what it's worth, I do agree that if he is deliberately avoiding posting in the game thread after browsing when his claim has been questioned endlessly it's that he's trying to hide something.  And I do think it's insanely weird he was ok with your claim too.

 

need to come back to this when i get to work  

 

 

on page 24

 

Jon beat me to it but i think you read this wrong. I took it as without pral there was a vig claim on the table and people were voting it. this is good for mafia if true.  

 

meh that was better worded in my head yesterday

 

  On 7/9/2015 at 5:55 PM, Talya said:

I was trying ti ISO Heart, but the quotes are going weird.

 

So a list instead:

 

First part is a bit fluffy votes Razen and thenunvotes

 

 - Zander feels off  and we should lynch him

 

 

Talks about using vig power and Post count

 

- Qs Zand on Elds idea of not letting them live (JS and Pral)

- Qs Eld why voting before caught up, why dislike JS over Pral

- Asks Zand the question again

- Likes Razen

- Zander Felt different (again she says this), but no ready to dub him scummy

 

finds something curious and likeable about Seph an Eld???

Talks about Hally's lock clear on my and my response, does ask Hally for any other strong tremors

 

- Zand Excitable

 

- Qs NB over JS and Pral and agrees with his vote on Dice

 

- Tells JS channelling EP will not win her trust

 

- Doesn't see Zanders 4 (Snow/Pral/Hally/Tal) as random

 

- Thinks it is possible we have two vigs, so it's not a counterclaim, immediate vote isn't necessary with a cc, but pressure would be and didn't see any

 

One Quote

 

This is odd...now we know what Pral has said. Doesn't automatically mean a link here, but it does mean that Pral could have used this as an excuse. Mod can Wolves talk Day and Night?

 

 

  On 7/8/2015 at 11:23 PM, Aiel Heart said:

If each of the vigs (my computer keeps trying to correct that to "figs" so if I say something about figs at some point just know that it is probably supposed to say "vigs") had some sort of restriction, I could see that being possible.

 

So that is one possibility out of many. The lack of pressure towards each other between the two claims is interesting (if memory serves, they were almost amenable--will need to read that interaction again) and causing me to think that there is something beyond a counterclaim going on here.

 

 

 Im not voting heart today

 

  On 7/9/2015 at 6:38 PM, TinaHel said:

 

  On 7/9/2015 at 3:54 PM, Talya said:

How do you know it's not there.

I said maybe a bit of ten foiling hence asking someone for their opinion. Doesn't mean there isn't one, and yet you seem so sure!

 

 

I don´t know if there is a connection between them. I have both of them as null right now. I just felt that it was a long shot. It was hard for me to see if your were actually trying to figure stuff out or making something up. You have backed away from it so I guess it could be the first one. Now you have some kind of connection between AH and Zander instead and I don´t understand why.

 

For those of you that some kind of meta read on Snow - would he do something like this as mafia?

 

I dont think hed do something that ballsy. I especially dont think as mafia hed come out later on, but before its resolved and while he is getting voted, and claim he is EPing. You know what happens to EP because of his crazy plans?? He gets lynched. My heart STILL wants to lynch JS just because of the EP thing.

 

Thing is i see his play as similar to Yates' in Red Wedding. Only Pral screwed up Nyn didnt

 

 

  On 7/9/2015 at 6:46 PM, Talya said:

 

  On 7/9/2015 at 6:27 PM, John Snow said:

Oh, yeah, @Tayla, it's DM practice that wolves, masons, etc can talk at all times on the QT.

 

 

Not always, one game recently Wolves could only talk at night, hence why I asked.

 

If you saw my ISO of heart Tina, you would see why, she keeps saying Zander is weird. She's played a couple of games with him, so it is worth noting.

 

Those have been some recent games and are some mods attempt at bringing other sites ways of playing here. theres only been like 3 of those or something

 

  On 7/9/2015 at 6:51 PM, Pralaya said:

 

  On 7/9/2015 at 3:18 PM, TinaHel said:

Just a question - Pral, why did you choose to claim?

 

 

Well, when JS claimed vig, it initially kinda threw me off. But, then, I speculated him to be town based on the role I had. To be sure of that and to gauge his reaction, I claimed. 

 

  On 7/9/2015 at 6:21 PM, John Snow said:

Sorry, nope, don't buy this. You were behind for 2 days and you just "happen" to catch up when you get called out? Classic scum tactic. 

 

And here's the thing. Me not CC-ing you had me as strong town in your book (assuming, but pretty fair assumption). And there was a train ramping up on me, and you don't think that's the time to pop in and say "I'm not caught up, but this guy is town guys?"

 

 

The point is that I never knew of the train ramping up on you till I reached that point in my catchup (which was probably after you voted me). Like I said...I can't prove it but those who have played with me before would know I catch up pretty slow.

 

Red   This makes NO sense whatsoever. Especially if you think the guy is town. I will say this straight out I think you screwed this up majorly

  On 7/11/2015 at 9:47 AM, dicetosser1 said:

sigh

 

Eldrick  have you ever seen someone listed as null? cause guess what? thats not a town OR scum reading. thats saying i dont have them as town i dont have them as scum. it happens all the time.

 

 

id be happy going you LOD or razen at this point.

 

  

  On 7/11/2015 at 10:20 AM, dicetosser1 said:

Actually they were your thoughts Zander. You made good points.

 

 

and my vote on zander sitting there is doing no harm

 

 

There is no game solving, the only reads I even see besides the two trains at eod, was heart.

I know you have been busy dice, but I need to see more!

 

 

To HERE???

 

  On 7/15/2015 at 4:49 AM, seph said:

Laya

Razen

Tayla

Hallia

Notbob

Tina

Heart

Js

Zander

Dice

Eldrick

I still need to read zand, heart, Tina, hallia. But I feel pretty confident in this list!!

Could actually switch notbob and tina.

[V]Eldrick[/v]

 

 

 

vote seph

 

So you cant see Im calling him out on why he changed from me to eldrick in the space of 4 hrs? and note there was no reason given for it.

 

 

 

 

  On 7/16/2015 at 5:23 PM, Hallia said:

He won't flip scum is what I'm telling you all. FoS on Zander as well.

 

 

 

Why? and dont give me "because he is town" give reasons cause i thought Prals points were quite good and will happily vote Razen

This seems like a misunderstanding, now that he explained it. I will post the quotes in on sec.

[Aiel Heart]

I must have missed that explanation... 

[Aiel Heart]

Accurate unofficial vote count?

 

John Snow (4/7): NotBob, Seph, Hallia, Heart

Dice (2/7): Eldrick, Zander

Heart (2/7): Tina, Razen

~Zander (1/7): Talya~

Seph (1/7): Dice

 

Not voting (2/12): John Snow, Pralaya 

 

and we have about a half hour.......

[Aiel Heart]

No matter where the people present switch we are going to need more people *sigh* someone else show!

[Razen]

  On 7/16/2015 at 11:23 PM, Aiel Heart said:

I actually SEE where a lot of your reads are coming from, and can understand why you would interpret them the way you are. 

But then there's the other stuff.

That's what I hate about early game; so much is built on straws....

 

 

So does Seph become scum out of relation to Dice who I am seeing as Towny?

 

No, at least not solely because of that.  I would move Seph more to a mixed read, which could go either way.  I would need to read back and look at Seph closer before determining which way I would be leaning on him.

[Razen]

Unvote, vote: John Snow.  And I swear if this goes random, anyone that's not around should be lynched on principle tomorrow.

[Aiel Heart]

Time zones and jobs are issues, hun.

 

This just has been an overall slow/absent phase. 

[Razen]

  On 7/16/2015 at 11:33 PM, Aiel Heart said:

Time zones and jobs are issues, hun.

 

This just has been an overall slow/absent phase. 

I know, but if I die because of a random kill, I will be very upset.

 

I think the whole DM dying for a whole day thing killed a lot of the momentum we might have had.

[seph]

 

  On 7/15/2015 at 12:44 AM, seph said:

Sorry I missed yesterday everyone.

It doesn't seem like alot has happened day 2, and that worries me.

Razen

Dice

Js

Zander

Eld

I'm really going to try and pay attention to these in particular.

I have razen as town, but I want to look closer at zanders point on him.

Planning my re read

 

 

  On 7/15/2015 at 1:58 AM, seph said:

I am pretty dissapointed in dice iso. I list his posts in the spoiler, that actually have Content. There was a few more but most of them are fluff.

 

  Reveal hidden contents

 

  On 7/10/2015 at 10:32 PM, dicetosser1 said:

Right so i have been bad and not here  catching up now

 

  On 7/9/2015 at 8:50 PM, dicetosser1 said:

 

  On 7/9/2015 at 10:46 AM, Razen said:

 

  On 7/9/2015 at 7:34 AM, John Snow said:

Well since you guys are unable to scumhunt if I'm not ITT, I'll just shoot all my work and planning to heck.

 

I was waiting from Pralaya. Definitely dodging thread at this point. Was on at 1 pm yesterday, and 10 pm again. Nothing to say in thread. 

 

So here goes. What I was doing this game. 

 First off, I'm not a vig. I lied. I was kickstarting the game, and seeing who posted differently than normal (see also: my vote on Zander). I wanted to see who was just going to try to fluff their content to not get vigged. 

 

And that was all I was going to do. And then Pral claimed vig. And didn't vote me. Which I thought was weird as hell. 

 

 

But you know, I thought, heck let's see where this goes. And Pral's good with my claim. Which is really weird.

 

So I decided to spend the rest of the day trying to read Pral. My best plan was to see how Pral reacted to me playing poorly. I also wanted to see Pral's reaction to the mason thing. Also, I'm not a mason with Pral. FYI. Not even slightly. 

 

See, it's a solid play as a GF to fakeclaim vig. It's irrefutable. Other than the days you want to "vig" you have your team submit the kills. So I was guessing that Pral might be doing that. 

 

 

Instead Pral has dodged thread. Intentionally and consistently. (Protip: If you want to dodge thread, set your status to always show offline). Now while this isn't the most scummy thing Pral could do, it's the best play for a scum to do. Let the train on me ramp up, let town kill their vig, and get vetted by a townie death. And lose nothing. 

 

 

 

So that's my thought process. Any questions?

 

Also Pral obvscum imo. [unvote] [v]Pral[/v]

I'm confused.  First, you said you weren't the vig.  And then, you're saying that Pral's absence is allowing the train on you to ramp up and let us kill our vig.  You're contradicting yourself here.

 

For what it's worth, I do agree that if he is deliberately avoiding posting in the game thread after browsing when his claim has been questioned endlessly it's that he's trying to hide something.  And I do think it's insanely weird he was ok with your claim too.

 

need to come back to this when i get to work  

 

 

on page 24

 

Jon beat me to it but i think you read this wrong. I took it as without pral there was a vig claim on the table and people were voting it. this is good for mafia if true.  

 

meh that was better worded in my head yesterday

 

  On 7/9/2015 at 5:55 PM, Talya said:

I was trying ti ISO Heart, but the quotes are going weird.

 

So a list instead:

 

First part is a bit fluffy votes Razen and thenunvotes

 

 - Zander feels off  and we should lynch him

 

 

Talks about using vig power and Post count

 

- Qs Zand on Elds idea of not letting them live (JS and Pral)

- Qs Eld why voting before caught up, why dislike JS over Pral

- Asks Zand the question again

- Likes Razen

- Zander Felt different (again she says this), but no ready to dub him scummy

 

finds something curious and likeable about Seph an Eld???

Talks about Hally's lock clear on my and my response, does ask Hally for any other strong tremors

 

- Zand Excitable

 

- Qs NB over JS and Pral and agrees with his vote on Dice

 

- Tells JS channelling EP will not win her trust

 

- Doesn't see Zanders 4 (Snow/Pral/Hally/Tal) as random

 

- Thinks it is possible we have two vigs, so it's not a counterclaim, immediate vote isn't necessary with a cc, but pressure would be and didn't see any

 

One Quote

 

This is odd...now we know what Pral has said. Doesn't automatically mean a link here, but it does mean that Pral could have used this as an excuse. Mod can Wolves talk Day and Night?

 

  On 7/8/2015 at 11:23 PM, Aiel Heart said:

If each of the vigs (my computer keeps trying to correct that to "figs" so if I say something about figs at some point just know that it is probably supposed to say "vigs") had some sort of restriction, I could see that being possible.

 

So that is one possibility out of many. The lack of pressure towards each other between the two claims is interesting (if memory serves, they were almost amenable--will need to read that interaction again) and causing me to think that there is something beyond a counterclaim going on here.

 

 Im not voting heart today

 

  On 7/9/2015 at 6:38 PM, TinaHel said:

 

  On 7/9/2015 at 3:54 PM, Talya said:

How do you know it's not there.

I said maybe a bit of ten foiling hence asking someone for their opinion. Doesn't mean there isn't one, and yet you seem so sure!

 

I don´t know if there is a connection between them. I have both of them as null right now. I just felt that it was a long shot. It was hard for me to see if your were actually trying to figure stuff out or making something up. You have backed away from it so I guess it could be the first one. Now you have some kind of connection between AH and Zander instead and I don´t understand why.

 

For those of you that some kind of meta read on Snow - would he do something like this as mafia?

 

I dont think hed do something that ballsy. I especially dont think as mafia hed come out later on, but before its resolved and while he is getting voted, and claim he is EPing. You know what happens to EP because of his crazy plans?? He gets lynched. My heart STILL wants to lynch JS just because of the EP thing.

 

Thing is i see his play as similar to Yates' in Red Wedding. Only Pral screwed up Nyn didnt

 

 

  On 7/9/2015 at 6:46 PM, Talya said:

 

  On 7/9/2015 at 6:27 PM, John Snow said:

Oh, yeah, @Tayla, it's DM practice that wolves, masons, etc can talk at all times on the QT.

 

Not always, one game recently Wolves could only talk at night, hence why I asked.

 

If you saw my ISO of heart Tina, you would see why, she keeps saying Zander is weird. She's played a couple of games with him, so it is worth noting.

 

Those have been some recent games and are some mods attempt at bringing other sites ways of playing here. theres only been like 3 of those or something

 

  On 7/9/2015 at 6:51 PM, Pralaya said:

 

  On 7/9/2015 at 3:18 PM, TinaHel said:

Just a question - Pral, why did you choose to claim?

 

Well, when JS claimed vig, it initially kinda threw me off. But, then, I speculated him to be town based on the role I had. To be sure of that and to gauge his reaction, I claimed. 

 

  On 7/9/2015 at 6:21 PM, John Snow said:

Sorry, nope, don't buy this. You were behind for 2 days and you just "happen" to catch up when you get called out? Classic scum tactic. 

 

And here's the thing. Me not CC-ing you had me as strong town in your book (assuming, but pretty fair assumption). And there was a train ramping up on me, and you don't think that's the time to pop in and say "I'm not caught up, but this guy is town guys?"

 

The point is that I never knew of the train ramping up on you till I reached that point in my catchup (which was probably after you voted me). Like I said...I can't prove it but those who have played with me before would know I catch up pretty slow.

 

Red   This makes NO sense whatsoever. Especially if you think the guy is town. I will say this straight out I think you screwed this up majorly

  On 7/11/2015 at 9:47 AM, dicetosser1 said:

sigh

 

Eldrick  have you ever seen someone listed as null? cause guess what? thats not a town OR scum reading. thats saying i dont have them as town i dont have them as scum. it happens all the time.

 

 

id be happy going you LOD or razen at this point.

  

  On 7/11/2015 at 10:20 AM, dicetosser1 said:

Actually they were your thoughts Zander. You made good points.

 

 

and my vote on zander sitting there is doing no harm

 

There is no game solving, the only reads I even see besides the two trains at eod, was heart.

I know you have been busy dice, but I need to see more!

  

  On 7/15/2015 at 4:20 AM, seph said:

Razen.

I really liked his interaction and thoughts on the js and Pralaya incident. He had some good points on zander, and looks far better than zander in the end. I think alanna explained this interaction very well!

I only got through two iso before I wanted to sleep, so I posted a reads list, to let everybody know where I was at.

I later went into further detail when Tina asked me about it.

  On 7/15/2015 at 4:49 AM, seph said:

Laya

Razen

Tayla

Hallia

Notbob

Tina

Heart

Js

Zander

Dice

Eldrick

I still need to read zand, heart, Tina, hallia. But I feel pretty confident in this list!!

Could actually switch notbob and tina.

[V]Eldrick[/v]

After your explanation, it seems like it's a misunderstanding, or you are trying to create something to put on me...

[鲍勃不是我的名字]

Checking in...hope Snow swings...also WTL Eldrick. 

[Zander?]

im getting caught up.

[鲍勃不是我的名字]

  On 7/16/2015 at 11:37 PM, Zander said:

im getting caught up.

 

Eldrick or Snow?

[Aiel Heart]

Need two more to vote John (Zander could be one but we'd still be waiting on one more)

 

And we could actually lynch me if everyone present CFDed.  

[wheeloftime13]

Vote Count

John Snow (5/7):  NotBob, Seph, Hallia, Heart, Razen
Dice (1/7): Eldrick, Zander
Heart (1/7): Tina
Seph (2/7): Dice, Talya


Not voting (2/12): John Snow and Pralaya

 

End of Day 2: 19 minutes

[Aiel Heart]

Six people have voted recently and there are no current votes on Eldrick--we'd need one more.

 

Will look back on Eld but I like John better for the lynch 

[Aiel Heart]

Did Time mean to have to Talya votes?

[Aiel Heart]

*two

[Aiel Heart]

Guys, if it's between me and random, please vote me. I know we're more likely to hit scum than a power role at this point, but I don't want to take that chance. 

[Zander?]

  On 7/16/2015 at 11:39 PM, 鲍勃不是我的名字 said:

 

  On 7/16/2015 at 11:37 PM, Zander said:

im getting caught up.

 

Eldrick or Snow?

 

 

Snow.  im thinking Dice is a possibilty

[Aiel Heart]

We could make the numbers work for Dice too. I'm not convinced he's scum... Like I said before, it'd be informational though. Would rather Snow than dice if we could swing it.

 

If no one else shows though we need to decide between dice and me.