British Monarchy Mafia- Game Over, Town Wins!!!

[Zander?]

I'm not worried about the votes on me. I'm not important. Yet another game where I roll Vanilla. If I can find some clues as to who the mafia are before you guys lynch me, I will consider my contribution to the team achieved. Not there yet.

 

Step 1: Prove that you're town - Failed

Step 2: Find scum - Failed

 

meh

[Zander?]

@zander,

 

why people scum reading you...clearly you're town here.

 

i know. 

[seph]

Posts leading up:

 

 

 

~This and the next post are based on looking back on what I noted; plan to do a reread of the thread at some point~

Looking at the dead alannalynn: (Vanilla town--NKed)

Of her later/more involved and educated posts:

#753 Liked Razen more than Zander but sees both as likely town

#818 analyzes Lotad Train; liked Pral (sees him as cleared); felt ok about Hallia because she could have switched; felt good about Tina; didn’t like Dice’s vote, liked Alanna; questioning Razen now; NotBob feels townie. I liked her reasoning for these reads.

#820

 

 

 

This is where that puts me:AlannaPralayaTalya

Notbob

HallyTina

Razen

Zander

SephDice

SnowEldrick

Heart

 

Need to look at who was off the trains next. I'm trying to make up for how inactive I'll be this upcoming week lol

 

 

Reasons she was possibly voted:

1) strong town read for most—possibly. Was one of the people who was more recognized town, or had the potential to become a very formidable town member

2) Was on to someone which would put suspicion on me, Eldrick, Dice, Snow, and possibly Zander if he was feeling jumpy (she did have him as town but there was some defensive interplay)Lotad (Mafia Goon--lynched)

Most of his posts of "hunting" were looking at John Snow, Zander or Pralaya, with the most of the focus on John. Not sure how he usually plays, but it’s possible that he put a buddy in his scum reads. Also notes that he has a hard time reading Eldrick (was that his main reason for not voting the other train? Will have to look back

Other interesting notes related to Lotad:

John was very certain that Lotad was town with increasing levels of certainty (@John—did I miss you explaining where that came from?)

Razen thought he was just bumbling town but voted him anyway in the name of consensus

 

 

Annoying that these take me so long. Here's part one:

 dicetosser1

 

 

Voted Zander for posting in caps and stayed there because of stubbornness

#250 is the first post I noted by him, and while he didn’t explicitly do any linking or direct hunting on thread, I did like the responses he gave. Similar case with #409.

#679 continues to comment and point out inconsistencies on things, gives what I’ve noticed as a first “solid” read which is being not willing to vote me (he had quoted a Tina ISO of me) and has not given a reason as to why this is yet. I am interested in knowing his reasoning as well, but his “crypticness” isn’t a scum tell for him in my perspective. 

#730 willing to lynch Lotad, Razen or Eldrick

#821 responds to Alanna saying there HAD been a progression for his vote on Lotad

#823 thought Zander had good points on Razen

 

 

Ok, dice to me is one of “those players” who has a semi-silent play style and tends to be a little cryptic and such in a way that annoys some people but is just a part of how he plays and gathers information and pushes for reads and he’ll give the information that he feels needs to be shared. He can play successfully that way because he is a competent player. So a lot of the things that others are seeing as scummy I chalk up to his playstyle, and while I’m naturally wary of him, I’d rather vote him for inconsistencies in those posts or some such thing. I haven’t seen anything that creates dice-red-flags for me yet, so I’ll leave him as a town lean.

~Post #981 was strange and needs explanation~

~Am nervous that he’s in many ways tied my fate to his~

 NotBob

 

 

 #324 voted dice so he’d contribute more. (dice called this the pot calling the kettle black).

#528 voted Eldrick for the way he voted on Hallia—continued to respond to Eldrick and note things on him on page 33

#646 liked Hallia’s vote on Lotad, implied that Zander was defending him

#649 didn’t like the reasoning for Eldrick’s scum reads

~Note that NotBob has consistently held the “mason WIFOM” against John since at least #653~

#789 voted Lotad for majority vote, still was willing to vote Eldrick. 

 

 

Another one of “those players.” Been fairly forthcoming with his reasoning behind his votes and his responses. Also have a town lean.

@Notbob—Reads list? Or at least a WTL list with reasons why?

 

 Pralaya

 

 

#38 hard claimed Vig a few posts after John did and doesn’t vote/apply pressure/officially counterclaim

#480 said he was not a full vig so he wasn’t surprised that someone else also claimed vig, and felt ok about John trying to start activity, but did not like John shifting the attention towards him. 

#512 reads list and anecdotes; town/townish NotBob, me, Hallia, Zader, Razen; null/null to townish dice, laine, seph, Tina, Talya, John; leaning scum lotad and eld (this was before they were the two main contenders for scum and that actually helps me feel better about him for some reason…)

#524 had also claimed to gauge John’s reaction

#525 votes Lotad (first vote on lynch train)

page 31 Eld’s vote timing seems suspicious

#832 sees Hallia and John as town

 

 

Is a pretty strong town lean at this point. 

Two questions:

1) in #524 you said that you had also claimed to gauge John’s reaction. What did you think of John’s reaction? I don’t recall you explicitly expressing that. 

2) What did you do last night and why? 

 Hallia

 

 

From early on didn’t like the two vig claim and insisted that it was a counter claim and kept arguing about why that would be and something about the way she went about that felt off to me. 

#217 votes John for wolfy play

#219 reads list—Lock Clear: Tina—Towny: Eldrick, Zander, Seph, Razen—Null: dice, me, Laine, Lotad, Tina—Scum: John—“Time will tell” on Pral

#365 meant the “lock clear” in a fun light hearted way; detracts and says Talya is simply her strongest town read at this point 

#498 says she’s not the lie detector

#534 votes Lotad

 

 

I’ve just been overall not thrilled with her play so far. Her insistance on the counterclaims felt contrived to me, and the lock clear joke clearly confused things. I need to ISO her to look at her more, but I don’t recall one post by her that I’ve liked. 

Additionally, her lynch would be informational, but it’s probably not going to go anywhere today. 

Would like an answer to my last question directed at her. 

 Eldrick

 

 

Hasn’t liked John since early on, initially thought that Pral’s claim was a joke, contemplated letting the vigs prove themselves, in #240 took Zander’s joke scum reads seriously.

In #444 I’m not thrilled with the way he answered my question, and he also liked Hallia’s reason for saying lock clear (later stated that he still didn’t understand why the town read was so strong). A lot of the other stuff was just parroting or agreeing with what others said. 

#457 also says he’s ok with John’s response but doesn’t unvote

#462 switched vote to Pral and kept on that a while

A lot of defending and vote switching

#578 Reads list—Strong Town: Tina—Town: Razen, Zander, Seph, Heart, Talya—Null to slight town: Hally—Null: Notbob, Lotad, JS—Null to slight scum: Dice, Laine—Scum: Pral (also not overly fond of the reasons his scum reads)

The “I’m just a VT” martyr post he did recently

 

Also not overly thrilled with his play, but… I don’t know. A lot of his reads and responses, though they may not be the most logical claim, have come through as honest. Idk; get a good feeling from him for some reason. 

Still don’t like that last post. 

@Eldrick—what makes dice the best lynch to you right now?

 

 

 

Grah the spoiler tags messed themselves up.

 

 

 Zander

 

 

A lot of CAPS and LOL I'M RIGHT LISTHEN TO ME

putting pressure on John and Razen throughout time

#762 threw a little dirt at Alanna--not sure if he would have killed her right after this post as scum, but it's interesting to note.

#806 the dodge that Seph noted

 

 

I've not been thrilled by his game. He seems to be letting his towniness in past games speak for him and the way he's going about this game makes him a bit too over the top and hard to interact with, and I can't say that bodes well for him.

Still need to look at the whole Razen situation.

Gleeeerrrrrggg.... We'll call this a slight scum lean

 Seph

 

 

Been doing a lot of analyzing and interacting in my opinion.

Been giving a lot of reasoning, been pretty transparent in my opinion. I've liked a lot of the things he's pointed out.

 

Strong town read

 Tina

 

 

Hasn't been around as much as other,s but I have felt good about each post I've noticed about her, and has been fairly transparent with her reasoning and her thought. I remember being ok with her case on me.

 

 

Fairly strong town read

 Razen

 

 

The game started out with a lot of posts I liked and a lot of reads I like. Need to actually go through his interactions with Zander again but the way Laine framed it made it seem like they were t/t that just got obsessed with each other might speed read through it if I have the time before work.

#750 I liked things in this post, but something I really didn't like was the way that he went after Zander with the LD implication stuff.

He stated multiple times in a short period of time that he saw Lotad as bumbling town, and though he was very clear with his statement, he voted Lotad in the name of consensus.

He votes Eldrick for "bumbling" (which he was ok with Lotad doing?) and for not being on the Lotad lynch (which he theoretically disagreed with).

His read of me felt a bit... "Recycled" for lack of a better word. Felt forced to me.

I also liked Pral's thoughts on him

 

EEEEEEEERG I'm talking myself into lynching you.

Ok, here's my thinking: Razen is a strong dividing force at this point.

He had been very town to a lot of us, and there are also people who think he is scummy (I'm definitely being drawn to that side). So there is a chance he's scum, and either way looking at interactions with him and knowing his alignment would give us a lot of information, more so I think than we'd get from Eldrick or John, both of whom people feel overall "meh scumish" about.

 Talya

 

 

A lot of the negative feelings I have about her come from Hallia and the way they've been buddying each other since the lock clear thing. I felt good about the way she went after me; it was enough to make sense as a latch day 1. The way she's gone about some of her hunting feels odd to me, but she's also been trying to make connections and I'm decently ok with it

 

 

Will put her as a slight town read for now.

 

John Snow

 

 

Oh boy.

Did the vig claim to help kick start the game

Was absent

Was waiting for Pral to come back in order to try to learn more about him and being cryptic in the mean time. I have not played with him enough for him to have the status of one of "those players" therefore this is off-putting for me. 

Went after Pral after all of the vig stuff went through and had also thought that Laine was scum. Wasn't getting scum vibes from the Lotad or Eld trains. In fact was VERY certain that Lotad was town. 

 

 

Hmmm... Now if he was covering for a scum mate in Lotad, would he have fought harder or would that have been bad because if the lynch would have went through it would have been strong defense?

If he was town and honestly thought that we were lynching a townie he had that much faith in, would he have fought harder?

Need to go back and reread his case on Pral to see if it actually makes sense to me.

Leaning Scum here.

 

Teal Deer

Strong Town

Pral

seph

 

Town Lean

Tina (might be willing to bump her up)

dice

NotBob

Eld

Talya

 

Scum Lean

Hallia

Zander

Razen

John

 

Right now I'm going to [v]Razen[/v] as I believe that he would give us the most information and I think he might be scum. I am willing to switch to my other lynch candidates (or someone else that someone has a smashing case on) and will be around an hour or two before EoD.

So Heart, who do you think is scum if razen, the person you are voting... is more for information, and only, "maybe scum".

 

Why is hallia scum, or did I is that??

[seph]

*miss that.

Also why vote razen over John snow?

[Razen]

@Razen--of course I'm cautious. I don't want to be mislynched and don't want someone else to be mislynched. Wildly placing a vote with very little reason would have been less likely to be an accurate vote and also would have made me look bad. Why should I have done that? Pressed for time, I chose the better of two bad options and didn't vote.

 

Also your case on me felt strange. Not sure why.

You come off as too cautious.  Why is not voting the better of two bad options?  A, we ended up lynching scum.  That isn't bad - unless of course, you're scum.  B, you give yourself a fairly big list to pick from at the end of day 1.  And you don't take a stand at all.  Even if it's just to say this person or these people need to be looked at more.  Your vote is ON THE RECORD as not being placed.  And as town, your vote is one of the most important things you have.

 

Oh crap 19 hours don't know if I'll be able to make it back for that.

 

SO very sleepy without going through notes with a fine tooth comb (more of a vibe/memory of liking or not liking posts)

 

Leaning town:

dice

Notbob

Alanna

Tina (not much, but I liked what I saw in her posts)

Razen

 

townish:

Lotad

Pral

Seph

 

Mixed/Need to look at more to figure out

Hallia

Eldrick

Zander

Talya

John

 

Don't know who I'd say is the lowest hanging fruit out of those... I don't recall seeing a Hallia post I felt good about where I have with the rest...

 

Will try to get on between packing and doctor appointment and leaving tomorrow morning. 

This strikes me as not being willing to take a stand at all.  You put 5 names down that you would be willing to lynch, or at least take a closer look at.  Language like low hanging fruit, and bringing up how you didn't like Hallia seems to be enough to go by for me.

[Zander?]

I got called in to work, and don't have time to catch up. Gonna respon to heart's question.

 

Dice is the contender for lynch to me because at first he stubbornly kept voting someone he didn't have as scum (explained as being null). Then there was his lack of participation and refusal to give reads on players outside of his WTL. I asked him multiple times, and still nothing. He isn't helping town.

 

will remember this if Dice flips scum and Eldrick stays the course

[Hallia]

[unvote]

[v] AielHeart [/v]

That pretty much deals it for me.

[Hallia]

Seals*

[Eldrick4221]

Apparently I'm awake again. Prolly won't be back up for long, but might as well get caught up while I'm here.

[seph]

[unvote]

[v] AielHeart [/v]

That pretty much deals it for me.

It doesn't sound like she will be back either...

[unvote]

Ugh my phone is dying, when is deadline?

[Zander?]

 

Sorry, I tried to catchup on Monday and DM was down. After that I was down for the next 2 days !

 

As I said earlier, I don't think JS is scum. I don't see LoTD trying to bus JS when he could have easily voted me for the same reason. It looked like a clear scum push against him.

 

It seems the bulk of us have pretty much the same people as lock clear.  Most of us feel that way about Razen, Talya, myself, Seph, Pral.  I would add Notbob to that list of pretty secure townies.  I don't really get bad vibes from Tina, or Heart.

 

Lynch rest and gg?

 

Anyway, while I agree with Hallia's reads, I disagree about the bolded and the underlined.

 

While I was re-reading the game, I felt that Razen was playing very safe. During the whole vig claims phase, I didn't se ehim take a strong stance against me/JS and taking a very safe approach in understanding the situation. But, at the same time subtly pushing people against us

 

Example is this

 

 

 

Oh god, two vigs or we have a c.f.

 

THUNDERDOME ENGAGE

 

Why cc? Why not two vigs in the game? :)

 

It's possible, definitely.  But it is a legitimate question to wonder if it's a counterclaim, imo.  But you seem to be taking John Snow at his word, which I find interesting.

 

The whole tone of this post is trying to play super-safe, and at the same time making people doubt my claims.

He does the same thing a bunch of times later in the game.

 

 

I've also started to put together my reads list, and I'm happy with the way's it's going so far.

 

I'm leaning town on:

Seph - just a gut really, but I did like that he doesn't want to get bogged down in the mess between Pral/JS. 

Eldrick - I've liked his posts, they all seem pretty well thought out.

JS - He seems like he's playing like he's got nothing to lose, by making a ballsy claim right out of the gate.  It's not behavior I would expect from a wolf.  Take with a grain of salt, though.

 

Null:

Hallia - Other than her leaning town on Talya (who I don't have enough to read at all) and Zander (see below) I think she's brought up a couple of good points and asked legitimate questions.  I'd lean slightly towards town on her.

Laine - I like that she's engaged with people, but I'm not entirely sure yet as to what side of the fence I'm on with her.  I've liked some of the points she's brought up, but I'm just getting an off feeling in my gut that something isn't as it seems with her.

 

Wolf:

Zander - I just don't like the way he's approached the whole JS/Pral Vig claim.  He comes off to me as trying to eliminate a potential threat to his wolf team by trying to push for the lynch on one of Pral/JS.

 

I have no clue/I need to see more to form an opinion:

Tina

Dice

Lord

Talya

Pralaya

Heart

Not Bob

 

I'd definitely like to hear from those in that fourth section about what their thoughts are about the whole situation.

 

Zander was his only scum read at that point and his reason was that Zander was pushing a lynch at us. This, I think, is again an opportunistic move - especially considering how he has been playing a safe game. It is not that Razen found us townish - all his posts were about him having doubts on our alignment. Yet, he calls out Zander saying he is pushing a lynch on us - as if he knows for a fact that we are town. If he is not sure if we are town or not, how is he calling Zander scum for trying to push a lynch on us?

 

He does say later that he was prodding him, but he doesn't clear him completeyl - fence-sitting again.

 

He votes Eldrick after JS reveal and my response. Again, he was not sure if JS was telling the truth or not but still voting Eldrick based on his responses.

 

Finally, the posts he votes LOTD. This was one of the late votes that LoTD got, almost when it was sure that he would get lynched.

 

I'm here and I will be later if need be.  I don't like that LotD didn't think to place a vote when he was just here, so that definitely counts against him in my opinion.  Need to take a stand, even if it's just to say I'd rather not be lynched so I'll put my vote on the next guy.  He doesn't seem to be fighting it or putting up much of a defense either.  I'm reading back on him now.

All right, so, like I said above, I'm getting more a bumbling town kind of read from LotD.  Some of his posts have been really apologetic in tone, and they come across to me as someone who is out of their depth at the moment and trying to swim their way back to safety.  I don't believe that a scum team would have left one of their members out to dry like that.

 

With that said, deadline is approaching, and I'm not inspired by what I've seen so far regarding activity.  I'm not liking all the parked 1 vote trains/no votes either. Right now, I'm not seeing how we get to a majority.  I think it will be interesting to see who changes their vote with the deadline approaching and who leaves it parked where it does nothing.  So I am going to unvote, vote: Lord of the Dawn.

 

That sounds like "LoTD is anyway getting lynched. I will make a post where I find him suspicious and bus him". This came abruptly out of nothing. If he had even said that he is voting LoTD because deadline is approaching and he doesn't want a no-lynch, it would have looked ok. But, this approach was convoluted and I don't think it is genuine.

 

Re-reading the thread kind of convinces me that Razen is scum here.

First, what do you think about John Snow being absent today?  You seem to be convinced that he is town based on how LotD handled the situation between you and him claiming.  LotD did unvote John Snow after he appeared and explained things.  Could be read as giving his teammate a chance to explain himself in thread satisfactorily and moving pressure elsewhere.  I haven't seen John Snow step up and show why he should be thought of as town either.

 

Second, Zander was voting for one of you at the time when I wasn't sure what to think about your claims, which you're correct about stating.  John Snow hadn't admitted he lied about it yet and Zander claimed to want to hear from both of you before making a judgment, but his vote was already in place on John Snow.  I see that as a contradiction to what he had said.  If you're waiting for an explanation, you don't try and run the person up, do you?  He retroactively passed it off as adding pressure, but his actions didn't add up to me.  He was trying to have his cake and eat it too, which doesn't work very well.

 

+1

 

Would actually [v]Razen[/v] here

 

A Razen wolf flip pretty well Lock Clears Pral imo.

 

[v] Razen [/v]

 

will be on again before DL

[Eldrick4221]

 

 

First, gonna look at who's on the Lotd Train:
Lord of the dawn (8/8): Pralaya, Hallia, Tina, Dice, Talya, Razen, NB, Seph
 
Pralaya

 

/snip
7. lord of the dawn - not much posts. But, his points against JS claiming looks forced. As if wanting to vote him but trying to make it convincing. And while he FoS'es JS, he votes JS the moment he sees the heat on JS increases. Leaning scum
8. Eldrick - He votes JS as soon as he sees his claim and even before looking at my claim. Then he sees my claim and says it looks worse for JS in this post and that looked odd. Then he starts the idea that the vigs must prove themselves and reinsforces the views in a few more post including here . That looked more like fishing. Both his later votes - on JS and me seems like he is trying to jump on the latest train. Leaning scum for me.
/snip
 
My vote for scum would be between lord of the dawn and Eldrick.

Anyway, [v]lord of the dawn[/v]
 
Based on my earlier reads. I don't think his reads are that organic when you look at it. The vote train on JS looks definitely scum driven.

Two follow up posts on Lotd: First, Second ;; Overall, Pral's vote looks pretty good and status as vig pretty much clears him as town for me

 

Hallia

Original vote on JSnow because she wasn't liking his reactions and wolfy play, vote for Lotd here (formatting for vote fixed in next post):

Mmmmmm. Eld is all over the place for me. I don't feel that scum would be that spastic, one would hope his team would reign it in.

[unvote]
[v] LordoftheDawn[/v] [edited to fix vote]

Haven't seen anything really good from him, would still vote John Snow as well.

Tells him she thinks he's scum and asks for reads, questions Lotd on why he finds Pral suspicious (for his partial vig claim, which is a misnomer anyways); Likes Sephs WTL of Lotd, Eldrick, JSnow; mentions feeling a little uncomfortable with her vote on Lotd before the deadline because it's his first game back but doesn't unvote. Overall, I think Hally looks good here too, she could have easily jumped onto the Eldrick train which she was fence sitting on. Keeping my town read here

 

Tina

 

/snip
 
Eldrick - I don´t know what I think about most of his posts but it was good to point out that Seph said it was an advanced game where it doesn´t say it anywhere. I don´t know if it really says anything about Seph´s alignment but it was good of Eldrick to see it.
 
Zander - I have a hard time to read Zander. When is he joking? When is he not? Why make a serious vote with a non serious reason? Didn´t like #178 where he said that Snow should worry about not getting himself hanged or something like that. It´s like he is too confident, which I often (but not always) connect with mafia. He questioned my one post like he was doing something meaningful. I also don´t like the post about it being one mafia among Talya/Hally/Snow/Pral. I´m not sure if I´m having a hard time reading Zander and that makes me look at his posts in a certain way but he is the closest thing I have to a mafia read right now.
 
LotD - very strange to ask others to fill in and base decisions on that. I get that he want to wait and see but why hope for others to tell him what happend. How could he base decisions on that? Weird.
 
[v] Zander [/v]
 
I´ll be back later.

Stays on Zander after this for a lot of the day, then comes back with this:

[unvote]
[v] LotD [/v]
 
His earlier vote on Snow was not very good and his list is really vague. Most is wait and see. I get that it´s hard to play with only new players but I´m not sure it can excuse his play. 
 
I´m not letting go on Zander though. I still have suspiciouns of him. Still don´t know how much is because of the fact that I don´t like his way of posting. 
 
Still want Pral to answer why he choose to claim that early. I sort of believe both Snow´s and Pral´s explanations but something still feels off. Why did Pral claim? And why just 8 minutes after Snow? Why did Snow vote Pral, knowing that he himself was not vig and that it was probable that Pral could be? Many questions around those two. 
 
Those I want to hear more from is Pral, Laine and Dice.

After this post, still doesn't like how Zander going after Razen, likes vote on Lotd, and needs a second look at Eldrick, this THIS POST reaffirming her vote on Lotd. This vote and progression looks pretty towny too, so I'm sitting happier with Tina right now.

 

 

Dice

 

Joke vote on Zander to start with because of CAPS and lolololing and leaves vote there, says he's not voting Heart today (I'm not seeing it), wants to vote Snow for his EPing comment, drops vote on Lotd before DL but then shows up before DL anyways with an I'm here. 

its bed time here  may not be up for DL

unvote

vote Lord of the Dawn

im here

I don't see any progression here, vote feels like busing, probably the worst looking so far.

 

 

Talya

 

ISO/Votes Heart to start with (pretty much agree with her case here), unvotes Heart based on association with Pral because he started looking better? (@Talya can I get more explanation on this?); ISOs Eldrick here and here (not sure if clumsy town or clumsy wolf trying to look town), and then ISOs Lotd with a scummy lean; agrees with me that Zander is looking off this game; Votes Lotd because Eldrick starting to look a little better. (LINK)

 

Sorry for the whole post. Zander - quiet does not mean lack of posting, it's the post themselves, not sure I can put my finger on it. I haven't had chance to go over your stuff on Razen, I liked what Alanna said about it the whole thing. You never listen to what others are saying and go blindly on. I have limited time right now and if you don't why READ MY POSTS :-p

The more I think of Eld at present the more I'm feeling a little warmer compared to LotD. I'm not sure how much more time I can get on today...

Vote: LotD

Post vote: doesn't like that Lotd didn't leave a vote when he popped in before DL. Talya's still a town read for me, I like her thought processes and that they were clearly spelled out on thread.

 

 

Razen

 

Consistently after Zander all of D1, has him as his only scum lean in this post and Lotd no idea; Next reads list moves Zander up and Snow to the bottom of the list, Lotd still in an unknown category because "he hasn't contributed much", then goes back to look over Eldrick and votes for pressure, ISOs Lotd with a step by step here, and then this post with his vote:

All right, so, like I said above, I'm getting more a bumbling town kind of read from LotD.  Some of his posts have been really apologetic in tone, and they come across to me as someone who is out of their depth at the moment and trying to swim their way back to safety.  I don't believe that a scum team would have left one of their members out to dry like that.

 

With that said, deadline is approaching, and I'm not inspired by what I've seen so far regarding activity.  I'm not liking all the parked 1 vote trains/no votes either. Right now, I'm not seeing how we get to a majority.  I think it will be interesting to see who changes their vote with the deadline approaching and who leaves it parked where it does nothing.  So I am going to unvote, vote: Lord of the Dawn.

There's something bothering me about this post. This was about three hours before deadline and it was going to be either Eldrick or Lotd getting lynched (leaning toward the latter), but he states he believes Lotd is more bumbling town and votes him anyways. ALMOST feels like TMI but with the town read I have so far on Razen, I'm not sure what to think. I'm putting him in orange at the top for this. Just doesn't feel right now he was kept in null most of the day and then voted on for being bumbling town. Back and forth with Zander can also be seen as a distraction from Lotd, as far as I'm concerned.

 

 

Notbob

 

Haven't really been too bothered with NB this game, leaning town on him, he doesn't normally present all of his thoughts which is okay by me. here's his vote progression throughout d1:

Looks like our Vig pair have left the stage...if they do not get an answer back I'll probably move to John Snow.

Zander still looks like town to me...maybe this is from last game...he posts more than most...plus I kinda get his humor from earlier.

Right now.

Vote Dice

Basically stirs the pot and leaves...very little content...want more contributions.

 

 

Been reading since I woke up, don't have much time before I gotta finish getting ready for work, but I don't like this turnout, either.  Due to his play, John Snow pretty much outed Pral as a vig.  

 

Also, re: the 'are you town' thing - I have been known to do that from time to time.  Lie Detectors can be a thing, and while I am not one, if there is one I like making their lives easier.  It's fun to see who is quick to chime in with an "I am town" and who questions it. >=D

 

She likes the idea. She thinks it's fun to see who says they're town quickly and who questions it. But, she doesn't say it herself.

[unvote]

[v]Hally[/v]

 

Do not like Eldrick taking heat for his vote then quickly moves along to another weak case.  Looks like he's tryIng to change the subject.

Unvote, Vote Eldrick

He's played bumbling...maybe scum...maybe not...unvote vote LotD...more to ensure majority lynch than anything specific.

 

I'd sooner see Eldrick lynched than LotD. I'm 95% sure LotD's town. 

 

Get him to L-1 and I'll hammer.

Overall: Sets up Eldrick v Lotd, willing to vote either one today, feels pretty natural imo; he could have easily voted Eldrick over Lotd and chose Lotd instead, so I'm keeping him town here.

 

 

Seph

 

Currently have him as a lower town read, he's been focusing on Zander and John Snow all day, Votes John Snow after his reveal that he's not a real vig, has his WTL as Lotd, Eldrick, and JS even though I don't really remember him saying much about Lotd so far.  Would rather Snow be lynched than his other two in the wtl HERE,

Ugh dm ate my multiquote.
This is from my catch up.
eldrick is a derpy town, he means well, and posts what he thinks which gets him in trouble sometimes, and I usually like it because i think his playstyle is similar to mine in someways, which usually helps me read him. The problem Here, is a am just seeing him as jumpy.

His vote on Hally Was uncalled for, and he only seemed to vote dice after others weighed their opinions on him as well. What really gets me is he votes dice much later, after the conversation. During a post that actually has nothing to do with dice.

Zander, there was a point where someone Asked you who you would rather lynch, Eld or lotd. You respond by talking about js and pral, and it looked like a giant dodge... this is one quote I plan to find again.

Lotd- I don't really remember much, most of his posts seemed like fluff, or fence sitting to me, which is a pretty big scum tell imo.

zander
I still would feel 10x more comfortable lynching snow here!

I am going to iso eld and lotd and place my vote before I head out, unless you all want to come Over to the snow train FTW!

Setting himself up to vote one of Eld or Lotd because the Snow train wont take off; doesn't like that new guys are given a pass, and drops the hammer:

Even if we went eld, there isn't enough people on to lynch him.
Plus js is on eld, so I wouldn't vote there anyway.

[V] lotd [/v] gl us!!

I don't know, there's something about his progression on Lotd that doesn't sit right; I don't think the hammer clears him, I was here to hammer before deadline, so it was going to happen whether he did it or not. I guess this is another questionable vote, imo.

@Seph, can you better explain your case against John Snow?

 

 

 

This is where that puts me:

Alanna
Pralaya
Talya
Notbob
Hally
Tina
Razen
Zander
Seph
Dice
Snow
Eldrick
Heart

 

Need to look at who was off the trains next. I'm trying to make up for how inactive I'll be this upcoming week lol 

 

 

are these post the reasons she got killed???

 

might wanna read into this everyone.

 

If this is why she got killed, it points to Dice IMO. She was looking at who was on Lotad's train. Most of the people on the train, she has as town on her reads list. Dice is the one that sticks out.

[seph]

Didn't realize eldrick had a vote besides mine.

[seph]

[V] js [/v] dude missed this entire day phase.

And my phone is dead

[Eldrick4221]

 

 

I think I am a decent zander reader tbh, and your right :) I want a towny thread again!

honestly Though I have never seen him as scum now that I think about it, besides one turbo? so I guess that is to be determined still.

 

It's not much, but it caught my attention on my reread. This strikes me as something a teammate would say about another. Possible linking here.

 

 

so your adding linking me here to seph and later on Razen yet voting Dice??? 

 

 

Yes. I was linking you to seph here. It's a weak one, and more of a "we should look at this should one of them flip scum" kinda thing.

 

As for linking you to Razen, it actually makes more sense to me that the interaction was T/T. I'm confident that he's town, but that doesn't mean I'm wrong. IF he flips scum, it looks bad for you, because of what I explained in the post.

[Hallia]

He won't flip scum is what I'm telling you all. FoS on Zander as well.

[Eldrick4221]

 

I got called in to work, and don't have time to catch up. Gonna respon to heart's question.

 

Dice is the contender for lynch to me because at first he stubbornly kept voting someone he didn't have as scum (explained as being null). Then there was his lack of participation and refusal to give reads on players outside of his WTL. I asked him multiple times, and still nothing. He isn't helping town.

 

will remember this if Dice flips scum and Eldrick stays the course

 

I'm not sure what you mean by this. Stay the course as in what? If this is to imply I'll stop hunting, I can assure you I won't. I'm still trying to find his teammates.

[Eldrick4221]

He won't flip scum is what I'm telling you all. FoS on Zander as well.

You sound awfully sure about that. i'm sure he won't as well, but am also looking at the implications in case he does.

 

And I tend to agree with Zander. Should Razen flip scum, it looks good for Pral too.

[Niniel]

He won't flip scum is what I'm telling you all. FoS on Zander as well.

 

Who is "he"?

[Hallia]

Razen

[Niniel]

Thanks. I will soon read back starting from where I left yesterday. 

[Hallia]

Ty Tina

[Eldrick4221]

As for sitting there? I havent really been here. and I DONT have him as clear town. and guess what? Im not gonna move it just cause you two dont like it.

 

 

Noted that you don't think he's scum, that it's a joke vote, and you are intentionally leaving it there.

 

 

Not sure what that was supposed to accomplish. Feeling ok about JS. Feeling better about Pral from recent play. Both are Null right now.

 

The thing that's bugging me the most is how Dice is handling the reaction to his vote. He doesn't care that we don't like the vote. He isn't reading Zander as scum, but insists on leaving the vote there.

 

[v]Dice[/v]

I'm fading fast. Working on my case against Dice. Here are some of the interactions after him leaving his joke vote on Zander.

 

There were also multiple times that I asked him for a reads list, and he hasn't even acknowledged that I asked. He has listed a WTL, but I would like to see his opinions on other players. His refusal to do so doesn't look good. It looks to me like not wanting to link himself to his teammates.

 

My most recent post about why I'm voting him:

 

I got called in to work, and don't have time to catch up. Gonna respon to heart's question.

 

Dice is the contender for lynch to me because at first he stubbornly kept voting someone he didn't have as scum (explained as being null). Then there was his lack of participation and refusal to give reads on players outside of his WTL. I asked him multiple times, and still nothing. He isn't helping town.

 

 

[Talya]

@ Zander - Above (not going to quote it too big) - Why have you got a +1 to Razen's post, I thought that was a good answer and thought that is what you meant and then you go and vote him...that doesn't make sense

 

 

Hmmm... I hope Zander isn't about to try to implicate me... Because you know it would be REALLY smart of me to kill someone I know is town who was suspecting me as scum and was going to look at me.

Which Eldrick also looks slightly better for that too. The oranges or those she was slightly suspicious of would make more sense for that sort of mentality... So that'd be dice and John, and I remember she was starting to poke at you as well Zander and you weren't all that happy about it

 

Zander was definitely implying he might do that. Bolded - What the hec does that mean? so you know Zander is town, so you would kill him because he thought you were scum...Please explain this, because it doesn't make you look good right now. Plus your vote on someone you want for info rather than wolf, and yet on D1 you wouldn't vote because it was two bad cases to vote or not to vote, but it bothered you then to vote for info and yet today it doesn't.

 

[V] js [/v] dude missed this entire day phase.
And my phone is dead

 

Don't like this, looking to get a free lynch from someone not around.

[Razen]

Unvote, vote: AH  She's been contradicting herself left and right.  Her explanation for not voting yesterday makes no sense when you look at her vote today.  Her caution yesterday and unwillingness to vote for anyone contrasts sharply with her statements today.  I'm feeling more confident about her the more I read.