Belichick - Mafia Eternal Night

[Andrej]

I'm happy for Rand to shoot Verb

Or vice versa. Verb can do himself a favor and kill Rand if he's a vig

[BFG]

 

I'm happy for Rand to shoot Verb

Or vice versa. Verb can do himself a favor and kill Rand if he's a vig

:) smart

 

I'll try to dig up the quotes, but early game Laine didn't seem happy with early town reads. Not that he needs it, but Shad's spewed clear and I think Talya and Zander as well. I'll look through and find who else.

[Talya]

Or both...

 

[Andrej]

Or both...

 

 

But probably neither unless the wolf team wants to concede via suicide. Which, tbh, would be sort of cool and funny. And better than getting lynched slowly and painfully.

[BFG]

[Andrej]

Also Verb going Rand over Laine there - when earlier he talked about Rand looking like an easy lynch when Laine switched over, probably confirms your theory, Shad, irt Laine having a bullet and Rand being out.

 

Thane clears via Laine. Dice cleared via Laine for the "don't know how to convince bit" I pointed out. Zander cleared for the soft set up via Rand flip AND for the "are you turning your back on me" stuff before I hammered.

 

Also Laine's theory about wolves being on Rand's train regardless of his flip probably means there weren't any - which was more or less already decided.

[Andrej]

 

Rand --> Verb --> BFG

 

Town never loses if they go in this order. I'm probably a goner. Shad too.

 

Follow this plan!!!

 

GLGL

[Shad_]

Verbal says:

 

Train on Rand D1 probably pure (me, AJ, Talya)

Defends Talya from Zander, but with a sound reason and doesn't commit to a clear of her, just doesn't like Zander's manner of pushing her.

"Shad/AJ/Thane - you're lynching me before you even touch any of them."  -- Agreed.

Says he'll ISO Talya, doesn't comment if he actually did.

Clears me town again

Agrees with AJ that scum will be in the off wagons and non-voting section of the D1 train, thinks Rand flip could "crack the game wide open."

Says he was lightly town reading Thane prior to AtE, now strong town

Scum reads Laine

Agrees that Laine Rand w/w, claims a vig shot

Issues with Zander

Rand's lynch is looking too easy

"As in I'm starting to doubt the validity of Rand/Laine w/w......feels more like v/w, actually."  In other words leaning wolf!Laine town!Rand

Laughs at Rand for "and Verbal I haven't seen a post on my read from yet, but its not looking great for him from what I've seen while I'm reading in the current posts."

"I feel like Rand should die first, here, and Laine should be vigged tonight."

Votes Rand

 

I think in the very odd chance Rand flips town we still lynch Verbal but I dunno.  This is pretty inconsistent, could be adapting to changing circumstances but he explains little.

[Shad_]

 

Rand --> Verb --> BFG

 

Town never loses if they go in this order. I'm probably a goner. Shad too.

 

Follow this plan!!!

 

GLGL

 

Not keen on committing to BFG third.  I think if Rand Verb isn't solve we take a long hard look at things.  Let's start from the other direction.  AJ and Dice are never scum here.

[Zander?]

 

 

 

 

[v]alannalynn[/v]

 

Hammering someone with a Thor gif...

 

*drools*

 

Yay a wolf AND a pic of Tom...bliss

 

Happy with rand tomorrow if no knee gets him tonight, need to check out Verb before I decide to go there.

 

In the mean time I have Tom for the night...

 

you're welcome

 

be town, please?

 

 

she's not pops!!! 

[Zander?]

Verbal says:

 

Train on Rand D1 probably pure (me, AJ, Talya)

Defends Talya from Zander, but with a sound reason and doesn't commit to a clear of her, just doesn't like Zander's manner of pushing her.

"Shad/AJ/Thane - you're lynching me before you even touch any of them."  -- Agreed.

Says he'll ISO Talya, doesn't comment if he actually did.

Clears me town again

Agrees with AJ that scum will be in the off wagons and non-voting section of the D1 train, thinks Rand flip could "crack the game wide open."

Says he was lightly town reading Thane prior to AtE, now strong town

Scum reads Laine

Agrees that Laine Rand w/w, claims a vig shot

Issues with Zander

Rand's lynch is looking too easy

"As in I'm starting to doubt the validity of Rand/Laine w/w......feels more like v/w, actually."  In other words leaning wolf!Laine town!Rand

Laughs at Rand for "and Verbal I haven't seen a post on my read from yet, but its not looking great for him from what I've seen while I'm reading in the current posts."

"I feel like Rand should die first, here, and Laine should be vigged tonight."

Votes Rand

 

I think in the very odd chance Rand flips town we still lynch Verbal but I dunno.  This is pretty inconsistent, could be adapting to changing circumstances but he explains little.

 

with Verbs switch on Rand with little to know explanation is not sitting right with me.  And see the part with Talya.  Verb/Rand/Talya 2 wolves here for sure.

[Thane Vakarian]

so.... Rand... why on earth do you state in this post here that i claimed there or did claim before? Dude... have you read the serie? What do the Aiel say when retreating for the night? *facepalm*

[Zander?]

ebwop - Rand, please kill your team mate.

 

wow....i didn't think you were that anxious to die.

 

 

 

 

 

Scorsese was getting irratated with Goodell, he put Scorsese in charge of this movie because he believed in him. The movie itself wasn't close to being finished, and the attention Roger was drawing from the investigation, which had him as a suspect, only made things worse.

Scorsese came in the next day to find alannalynn lying there with bloodied footprints around the body.

Alannalynn

 

 Roger Goodell, Wolf 1x Vigilante has been lunched!

 

Also my write ups are only flavor of course and if you try to say otherwise! I keel you!

Darthe reserves the right to change my Terrible scenes :)

I am also working on the other 3, I haven't forgotten you!

Hell yeah, definitely saying I told you so on this one considering everyone was hating on my read on her.

 

It wasn't that you were reading her Wolf, it was your reasoning and explanations on it

 

 

 

 

 

FTR even if Rand does kill Verb and he flips wolf I would still lynch Rand.

 

More so for lulz that he'd cap his teammate to get cleared. Like I would enjoy that so so much

 

You think he would really do this? lol..Rand, please lynch your team mate so that we can lynch you too by lunch time tomorrow and we can celebrate with Pims on the lawn...

 

Yeah, and I realize that this is kinda a WIFOMy defense, but what scum in their right mind, who is about to get lynched, would go wait(the following is in scum perspective), let me FoS both my other teammates and try to get them lynched really hard so that if we do end up lynching both of my teammates, then I will be the only person left on my mafia team.  Oh and I'm also the most suspected person.  That sounds like a great plan.  I mean its completely unnecessary, and even with the theory that I'm a maf with a kill, one kill is not worth crippling your entire team, especially in this setup.

 

That was tongue in cheek...at AJ's suggestion :p

 

 

 

 

Would be hilarious.

 

Rand has Verb as a suspect - I agree Verb looks wolfy. Rand has claimed Vig and wants to vet himself. This is a good opportunity.

I'm down for it since scum have limited NKs. Probably shouldn't shoot Rand tonight then.

 

It's pretty simple. If he shoots and he's town he's helping clear poe. Rand and Verbal v/v? Then we've got some DEEP wolves in this game. If he shoots and he's scum he's either wasting a scum vig on a mislynch candidate or he's killing his team mate. If Verbal doesn't die then Rand is confirmed wolf.

There's one reasons why Rand shoots and Verb doesn't die. Be ready for this scenario D3

 

 

hmmm, that would be interesting, we will just have Rand's word that he vigged him.

 

Umm, so there's only one reason knowing the setup why Verb won't die, and that's a doc save, and I think we can assume there's only one person, who if doc, would save Verbal... so if he doesn't die, at least FMPOV I'll know who he is.  Here's hoping he's not. That was the point of that comment I made and what AJ was getting at, that if Verb doesn't die another explanation is that his is doc. 

 

 

 

 

I cut this down, but you really should read with a clearer mind and see that what you answered were what people were saying in the first place.

 

As for Deep wolfing, yeah, there might be one, they may also be where we are looking at. But we also have to go where we feel someone is off their game, like Alanna. sometimes it is obvious. But we have to eliminate those doubts and those we think are wolves, by one means or another and not just killing.  But ranting away like that doesn't help solve the game. If you are town, then help us see that by acting like town and not going off in a tantrum!

 

 

 

I lololololololol'd SOOOO hard at this,  its YOU!!!

 

You are off your game YOU ARE WAY WAY tooo towny imo....like in every we've played as you were town.  you were PoE and had votes and suspicion on you....this game ONLY ME....please people see this!!!!

[RandA lThor]

Rand you're right on one thing. Only person who docs verb tonight is Verb - which is why I pointed this out so you two don't have a leg to stand on tomorrow when you claim to have shot him but he didn't die.

 

Basically it goes like this - you shoot Verb or get lynched. You're probably getting lynched anyway but it will be funny to watch the arguments for why you're both alive D4.

 

Sadly I probably won't be here to enjoy it :(

 

Also Rand - still trying to call me scum at this point is LOL worthy. Come on dude.

You can still read the thread and enjoy it when Verb pops up dead tomorrow.

 

In short unless Verb claims Doc and isn't CC'd you're both scum imo.

 

I'm just calling out the spin theory before it happens because I doubt you actually shoot him. You're already hedging because "not everyone agrees"

Oh, before night comes, I won't be hedging, and right now I'm pretty set on Verbal unless something major happens, but I want to make sure that most people agree so I don't have the BS of you killed Verbal because you knew he was town or some random stuff like that.

 

I'm happy for Rand to shoot Verb

5th person, confirms that a majority of town want this (5 people, only 2 mafia left)

 

@Rand, in general hunting for the 'deep wolf' is why mafia have been winning the majority of games for the past year, so happy it's starting to change :) !

Ok, so I might've gone too strong on this, but what I'm trying to say is that right now, people aren't even looking for the deep wolf (not everyone obviously) people just keep repeating the fact that Verb and I are the last mafia, and then do absolutely no casework.  This is how mafia hide in this game, they just coast off the easiest suggestions, and I for one know one is wrong, so I know they're coasting at least a little bit.

 

 

 

 

Scorsese was getting irratated with Goodell, he put Scorsese in charge of this movie because he believed in him. The movie itself wasn't close to being finished, and the attention Roger was drawing from the investigation, which had him as a suspect, only made things worse.

Scorsese came in the next day to find alannalynn lying there with bloodied footprints around the body.

Alannalynn

 

 Roger Goodell, Wolf 1x Vigilante has been lunched!

 

Also my write ups are only flavor of course and if you try to say otherwise! I keel you!

Darthe reserves the right to change my Terrible scenes :)

I am also working on the other 3, I haven't forgotten you!

Hell yeah, definitely saying I told you so on this one considering everyone was hating on my read on her.

 

It wasn't that you were reading her Wolf, it was your reasoning and explanations on it

Go back and read my explanations though, once knowing her as scum, it makes sense.  And I used valid reasoning, even though you guys didn't like it, to deduce she was scum, and it worked.

 

 

 

 

FTR even if Rand does kill Verb and he flips wolf I would still lynch Rand.

 

More so for lulz that he'd cap his teammate to get cleared. Like I would enjoy that so so much

 

You think he would really do this? lol..Rand, please lynch your team mate so that we can lynch you too by lunch time tomorrow and we can celebrate with Pims on the lawn...

 

Yeah, and I realize that this is kinda a WIFOMy defense, but what scum in their right mind, who is about to get lynched, would go wait(the following is in scum perspective), let me FoS both my other teammates and try to get them lynched really hard so that if we do end up lynching both of my teammates, then I will be the only person left on my mafia team.  Oh and I'm also the most suspected person.  That sounds like a great plan.  I mean its completely unnecessary, and even with the theory that I'm a maf with a kill, one kill is not worth crippling your entire team, especially in this setup.

 

That was tongue in cheek...at AJ's suggestion :p

 

Haha I know, I was agreeing with you, and disagreeing with AJ.

 

 

 

Would be hilarious.

 

Rand has Verb as a suspect - I agree Verb looks wolfy. Rand has claimed Vig and wants to vet himself. This is a good opportunity.

I'm down for it since scum have limited NKs. Probably shouldn't shoot Rand tonight then.

 

It's pretty simple. If he shoots and he's town he's helping clear poe. Rand and Verbal v/v? Then we've got some DEEP wolves in this game. If he shoots and he's scum he's either wasting a scum vig on a mislynch candidate or he's killing his team mate. If Verbal doesn't die then Rand is confirmed wolf.

There's one reasons why Rand shoots and Verb doesn't die. Be ready for this scenario D3

 

 

hmmm, that would be interesting, we will just have Rand's word that he vigged him.

 

Umm, so there's only one reason knowing the setup why Verb won't die, and that's a doc save, and I think we can assume there's only one person, who if doc, would save Verbal... so if he doesn't die, at least FMPOV I'll know who he is.  Here's hoping he's not. That was the point of that comment I made and what AJ was getting at, that if Verb doesn't die another explanation is that his is doc. 

 

Well you'll have more than my word.  If Verb doesn't die, then either I'm scum or he's doc.  So its not just my word, the doc can contribute and we can use the knowledge of who he is/who we protected to find out who's lying.

 

 

I cut this down, but you really should read with a clearer mind and see that what you answered were what people were saying in the first place.

 

As for Deep wolfing, yeah, there might be one, they may also be where we are looking at. But we also have to go where we feel someone is off their game, like Alanna. sometimes it is obvious. But we have to eliminate those doubts and those we think are wolves, by one means or another and not just killing.  But ranting away like that doesn't help solve the game. If you are town, then help us see that by acting like town and not going off in a tantrum!

 

Ok, so I was unclear, but I think I explained above.  A lot of people aren't even hunting for deep wolves right now and are riding on the fact that everyone thinks Verb and I are wolves.  Mafia are riding so hard on this, I guarantee it, at least 1 person.

 

 

so.... Rand... why on earth do you state in this post here that i claimed there or did claim before? Dude... have you read the serie? What do the Aiel say when retreating for the night? *facepalm*

.... I feel like an idiot, how on earth did I miss that.  I just lost so much WoT cred right there

[Shad_]

Possibilities, however unlikely:

 

Rand/Verbal most delicious lunch

 

Rand/Zander

Verbal/Talya

 

 

BFG and Thane open for discussion if these theories are debunked, I guess starting with BFG/Talya.

 

We'll have plenty of additional information by the time Rand and Verbal have flipped, and (I hope) we'll have won the game at that point.  These are just some unlikely alternatives I'm humoring as the game stands now.  And Zander, don't get on my case for naming you here.  I'm just looking at every angle.  You can get upset about me not trusting you when we reach a point in the game when I really don't.  Right now you're town in my book.

[Shad_]

Zander/Talya for ultimate lulz combo.

[RandA lThor]

Possibilities, however unlikely:

 

Rand/Verbal most delicious lunch

 

Rand/Zander

Verbal/Talya

 

 

BFG and Thane open for discussion if these theories are debunked, I guess starting with BFG/Talya.

 

We'll have plenty of additional information by the time Rand and Verbal have flipped, and (I hope) we'll have won the game at that point.  These are just some unlikely alternatives I'm humoring as the game stands now.  And Zander, don't get on my case for naming you here.  I'm just looking at every angle.  You can get upset about me not trusting you when we reach a point in the game when I really don't.  Right now you're town in my book.

I noticed that you specifically paired Zander with me and Talya with Verbal.  I'm guessing mine with Zander is because Zander townread me for a bit and then changed, but I'm not sure, mind telling us why?

[BFG]

I'm afraid I'm still on my mobile, so this is going to be single posts instead of a pretty MQ

[dicetosser1]

 

 

Verbal's post I'm quoting from: Here

Ouch.  All that green is you giving yourself an out to change reads.  Lots of "cautiously" putting people in a pile, and needing further review.  Spoken like a wolf that wants to commit to as few reads as possible, and is happy playing off of everybody else.

 

As for the red....huh?  You're saying the wolves killed Pral to literally incriminate you?  Why?  You weren't being a town leader, and you weren't a lynch candidate going into D2.  Why would the wolves kill Pral based on what you're saying?  Am I missing your point here, or are you actually saying they killed Pral to create wifom on you?

 I'm really not trying to give myself an out, I'm just not finding the time I needed to thoroughly read some of these players. I wouldn't say I'm on the fence with BFG, I have her in town and I want to move her up more with an ISO; she's staying up there. Talya I have in town but I'm reserved about it because of Zander's insistence that she's scum. Dice was the only one I was truly fence sitting on, but he is in my bottom three with Thane and Rand who I wouldn't mind lynching atp.

Second part: No not to incriminate me, but me and Hally. The mafia couldn't have known that Hallia really would be vigged, so they could be setting up her lynch for the next day. That's what I meant by knowing her alignment and mine.

If Hallia had not been killed last night, would Pral's death have made you suspicious of her?

With how Yates was going after her? Maybe maybe not. I wouldn't ignore the possibility that that's why they killed him, but that's then and there.

 

 

 

This is jumping ahead a bit but if w/w Rand was more likely to shoot last night because he was more likely to get lynched today.

That is jumping ahead, I'm very sure Rand is mafia, but I'm town and not a vig.

Are you suggesting something or is this just worded funny?

Worded funny.

 

 

 

 

This is jumping ahead a bit but if w/w Rand was more likely to shoot last night because he was more likely to get lynched today.

That is jumping ahead, I'm very sure Rand is mafia, but I'm town and not a vig.

Are you suggesting something or is this just worded funny?

 

Alanna things are starting to look really bad on you now.  Are you claiming VT or doc.  I teetering on you atp. your answer may determine your fate imo.

I am vanilla town right now and being that I already claimed that, I'm probably NOT claiming doc lol, I know who the doc is though, fwiw

 

 

 

I think this makes it pretty clear IM WAITING on Alanna's answer before I vote.  Ive said I would consider switching and her answer will determine that.  I made my thoughts about Rand because they were there and I wanted a sounding board.  I also like the idea of what SHAD said concerning Rand's flip.  And if Alanna does freaking flip wolf I will die inside.  I had her as town most of the game till recently so this will be shame on me but shame on you for betraying me!!!!.  Want to give her the chance to answer my question before passing judgement as it will cement things for me.

Zander are you seriously turning against me? You know I'm town, you believed me in the last few games and we swept mafia together. One game that I play like crap shouldn't be enough for me to get lynched. Believe me this time when I say that Rand is the way to go and not me.

 

 

Blue Big  ATE aimed at zander

 

Red  LYNCH HER NOW!!!

 

 

 

 

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[Zander?]

Possibilities, however unlikely:

 

Rand/Verbal most delicious lunch

 

Rand/Zander

Verbal/Talya

 

 

BFG and Thane open for discussion if these theories are debunked, I guess starting with BFG/Talya.

 

We'll have plenty of additional information by the time Rand and Verbal have flipped, and (I hope) we'll have won the game at that point.  These are just some unlikely alternatives I'm humoring as the game stands now.  And Zander, don't get on my case for naming you here.  I'm just looking at every angle.  You can get upset about me not trusting you when we reach a point in the game when I really don't.  Right now you're town in my book.

 

i dont like it...like at all but your just throwing ideas out for now.  so ill deal with it.... for now.

[Zander?]

Zander/Talya for ultimate lulz combo.

 

well at least your considering Talya atp!!!

[Zander?]

 

 

 

Verbal's post I'm quoting from: Here

Ouch.  All that green is you giving yourself an out to change reads.  Lots of "cautiously" putting people in a pile, and needing further review.  Spoken like a wolf that wants to commit to as few reads as possible, and is happy playing off of everybody else.

 

As for the red....huh?  You're saying the wolves killed Pral to literally incriminate you?  Why?  You weren't being a town leader, and you weren't a lynch candidate going into D2.  Why would the wolves kill Pral based on what you're saying?  Am I missing your point here, or are you actually saying they killed Pral to create wifom on you?

 I'm really not trying to give myself an out, I'm just not finding the time I needed to thoroughly read some of these players. I wouldn't say I'm on the fence with BFG, I have her in town and I want to move her up more with an ISO; she's staying up there. Talya I have in town but I'm reserved about it because of Zander's insistence that she's scum. Dice was the only one I was truly fence sitting on, but he is in my bottom three with Thane and Rand who I wouldn't mind lynching atp.

Second part: No not to incriminate me, but me and Hally. The mafia couldn't have known that Hallia really would be vigged, so they could be setting up her lynch for the next day. That's what I meant by knowing her alignment and mine.

If Hallia had not been killed last night, would Pral's death have made you suspicious of her?

With how Yates was going after her? Maybe maybe not. I wouldn't ignore the possibility that that's why they killed him, but that's then and there.

 

 

 

This is jumping ahead a bit but if w/w Rand was more likely to shoot last night because he was more likely to get lynched today.

That is jumping ahead, I'm very sure Rand is mafia, but I'm town and not a vig.

Are you suggesting something or is this just worded funny?

Worded funny.

 

 

 

 

This is jumping ahead a bit but if w/w Rand was more likely to shoot last night because he was more likely to get lynched today.

That is jumping ahead, I'm very sure Rand is mafia, but I'm town and not a vig.

Are you suggesting something or is this just worded funny?

 

Alanna things are starting to look really bad on you now.  Are you claiming VT or doc.  I teetering on you atp. your answer may determine your fate imo.

I am vanilla town right now and being that I already claimed that, I'm probably NOT claiming doc lol, I know who the doc is though, fwiw

 

 

 

I think this makes it pretty clear IM WAITING on Alanna's answer before I vote.  Ive said I would consider switching and her answer will determine that.  I made my thoughts about Rand because they were there and I wanted a sounding board.  I also like the idea of what SHAD said concerning Rand's flip.  And if Alanna does freaking flip wolf I will die inside.  I had her as town most of the game till recently so this will be shame on me but shame on you for betraying me!!!!.  Want to give her the chance to answer my question before passing judgement as it will cement things for me.

Zander are you seriously turning against me? You know I'm town, you believed me in the last few games and we swept mafia together. One game that I play like crap shouldn't be enough for me to get lynched. Believe me this time when I say that Rand is the way to go and not me.

 

 

Blue Big  ATE aimed at zander

 

Red  LYNCH HER NOW!!!

 

 

 

 

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its ok Dice shes a dead wolf.

[Verbal32]

Cool.

 

Lynch Rand then Verbal.  If either flip town reassess.

 

 

 

Cool.

 

Lynch Rand then Verbal. If either flip town reassess.

Weirdly in sync with you right now.

 

Looks to me that wolves needed to eat each other today because town is towning too hard. Poor Verb was stuck voting his teammates lol

 

Rand should shoot Verb imo

 

 

You're both insane.  Nothing I've said in this game is wolfy.  And it lines up with thoughts and reassessments and CAUTION I showed in Alien & ME.

 

You're both insane.

[Verbal32]

But whatever - I had to play catchup due to vacation, so I don't really care if you shoot me.  It'll remove me from PoE and allow you guys to refocus.

 

Btw, if Rand is a wolf, you're letting him shoot a villager tonight and get cred for it.  gj

[Verbal32]

I also voted Rand because I stuck with my original gut.......as AJ asked me to do.  And now you want to give me crap for that?  That's pretty awful.