[Advanced] Avengers - Age of Ultron (GAME OVER!)

[Xthrax]

 

 

 

 

 

 

Why are you trying to shift the focus away from you?

Because it doesn't belong on me in the first place.

Des and now you are trying to deflect from these 4 scum in a hot place.

Talk about panicking.

Why does it not belong to you? Are you somehow magically cleared? If not, no it does belong to you. Every townie should be scrutinized. Everyone should at the start of a game be considered null. And the by their actions they should be cleared. If they are not, they should be pressured and see how they respond to it.

 

Like you said, keep on saying the bold.

 

And you have been responding very badly to my pressure. It wasn't even pressure at the beginning. I asked those to find why you said what you said because I didn't like it. But you have been responding very badly to attention.

Because this whole line of questioning has been fabricated from non sense.

 

Obviously we can't focus on more than a few people at a time, we have limited time and attention spans.

When's the last time you questioned Red? Dawn? Tglems? Exactly. Limited.

I'm not clear yet but it's not my time in the hot seat. By trying to force it you're obviously forcing those 7 people we narrowed it down to out of it.

That's scummy. It makes you look like you're covering for your scummates. Don't you think it looks like that at all from an objective perspective?

Of course, to you it looks fake. It was based on your comments.

 

Red has disappeared greatly. I didn't have a big scum read on either of TG or Dawn.

 

I particularly focused on you, since you were online then. I will agree that it is based on a person's perspective

[Xthrax]

 

 

If you don't see any, let me rephrase that. What is your response to my comment?

 

 

 

Also, post like these are very evasive and appearing very scummy.

 

I don't know wtf you want me to respond to.

You didn't ask a clear question so how am I supposed to answer you?

Tell me what it is you want to know and get it over with already.

My comment on your response. I would have liked to see what you said about it.

[Xthrax]

 

 

 

 

 

 

he part where he decided to being led is already being done. People are telling others to focus on that group. A vig may not do that instantly. I think the group pointed out had around 6-7 people. Acc. to what Tina and Hallia said there are 4 scum on it. So there is a chance that a townie could be gunned down. Every townie killed is a loss for town.

 

So a vig should never shoot unless they're 100% their target is scum? Town shouldn't risk a mislynch without a confirmed cops guilty?

 

We have a solid bead on scum and you're pointing at the people who led us there.

How does that make any sense?

I never said a vig shouldn't shoot. I gave my response to what you said-that there is nothing to gain.

 

I'm in no way pointing at Tina or Hallia. I'm pointing at you. At what you said.

Because...?

 

You're coming out of nowhere because of Des's conspiracy laden crap post.

There is no logical reason to grill me right now instead of any one of those people indicated by Hallia/Tina's info.

We'll focus on them when they post. I grilled based on your comments on Des's post. And your reaction has given me quite the read

[Nolder]

 

 

If you don't see any, let me rephrase that. What is your response to my comment?

 

 

 

Also, post like these are very evasive and appearing very scummy.

I don't know wtf you want me to respond to.

You didn't ask a clear question so how am I supposed to answer you?

Tell me what it is you want to know and get it over with already.

My comment on your response. I would have liked to see what you said about it.

 

You're confusing the hell out of me.

 

Let's just do this.

Quote separately whatever it is you wanted me to answer or comment on.

I'll address it one way or another whether it's a question or not.

[Xthrax]

 

 

So much night chat...

TL;DR we got a bead on 4 scum out of 7 people.

Des and X scrambling wildly to shift suspicion onto me/Tommy/Notbob.

Of course, you should definitely call the people who focused on you for a short while scum.

[Xthrax]

 

 

 

 

If you don't see any, let me rephrase that. What is your response to my comment?

 

 

 

Also, post like these are very evasive and appearing very scummy.

I don't know wtf you want me to respond to.

You didn't ask a clear question so how am I supposed to answer you?

Tell me what it is you want to know and get it over with already.

My comment on your response. I would have liked to see what you said about it.

You're confusing the hell out of me.

 

Let's just do this.

Quote separately whatever it is you wanted me to answer or comment on.

I'll address it one way or another whether it's a question or not.

I'll do it tomorrow. I'm sleepy and on my phone besides

[Nolder]

Tom:

 

 

We (you and I, Darthe) both saw how he plays as town in the Tron game. He became one of my top 5 townies around mid D1 because I was seeing the same bulldog behavior. His justification for lynching you -- your odd, emo behavior -- wasn't unwarranted at all. I wanted you dead for almost all of D1. Then something clicked in my head and I realized "okay, he might ACTUALLY just be emo about DM in particular and that why he's not enjoying himself, so I should offer to save him knowing I'll get his role and see how he responds."

 

I was privy to knowing my ability was real and your response was genuine. I can understand NB still thinking you're scum because if you are scum and I save you, hey, at least you bought a day. I don't think he was paying particularly good attention once we got to the point where you, me, Arsis and Tsuki were towning up the thread against the likes of Vos and Wombat [and Nolder, but I now know with 99.99% certainty Nolder is town], but we saw that same behavior from NB all the way until we reached MyLo in Tron. His ability, which came concurrent with my silencing and result for your role, meaning it's likely to have been a lynch or day ability, is just icing on the cake. I have no reason to doubt his affiliation and I ask respectfully that you trust me for now. I am keeping some of my cards hidden for now, but I'm still revealing a ton of info. 

 

Darthe - town result from my hammer ability; consistent with gameplay. 

Songstress - town result from a mechanical ability; no reason to doubt that result right now. When I threatened to vig her early on her response was very town-like. 

NotBob - likely town from a mechanical ability; consistent with town meta gameplay.

Nolder - have been talking to him a lot on QT and am very confident he's town. We shared role PMs with each other and he knows who my mason is. 

 

So while we COULD tinfoil on any of these players, or even me, I ask that we just do the SENSIBLE thing and roll with the info we have and see how it plays out.

[Nolder]

 

 

 

 

If you don't see any, let me rephrase that. What is your response to my comment?

 

 

 

Also, post like these are very evasive and appearing very scummy.

I don't know wtf you want me to respond to.

You didn't ask a clear question so how am I supposed to answer you?

Tell me what it is you want to know and get it over with already.

My comment on your response. I would have liked to see what you said about it.

You're confusing the hell out of me.

 

Let's just do this.

Quote separately whatever it is you wanted me to answer or comment on.

I'll address it one way or another whether it's a question or not.

I'll do it tomorrow. I'm sleepy and on my phone besides

 

Your choice.

Don't say I was ignoring you later though.

I'm just confused on what you're trying to get my thoughts on.

[Songstress]

 

So much night chat...

TL;DR we got a bead on 4 scum out of 7 people.

Des and X scrambling wildly to shift suspicion onto me/Tommy/Notbob.

 

 

I just want to point out something - not that I'm subscribing to the conspiracy theory here, but we got a bead on 4 scum out of 13 people.  Tommy's the one who narrowed it down to 7 by taking himself, you, NotBob, Darthe, Hallia and me out of consideration.

 

It may be a bit paranoid to immediately assume that Tommy has been recruited by NotBob, and therefore the 3 of you can't be trusted - because hey, if Tommy was recruited that doesn't mean you would be, and there's no proof that Tommy was silenced because of anything NotBob did - but you can't characterize any discussion of the three of you potentially being scum as disregarding the results Hallia and Tina gave us, because one or more of you COULD be among the four not town on the train.

 

I'd be more likely to suspect NotBob in that case - Tommy didn't so much "clear" him in his message as say he believed he was town for now, and a neighbor type role isn't guaranteed town. 

 

I can also vouch for Despo's claim of having an ability activated by leading a successful lynch, for what it's worth.  I haven't asked Mynd to clarify specifics of what qualifies as "leading the lynch" because I haven't been confident enough in any of my scum reads to try to lead a lynch at this stage of the game anyway, but I doubt "first on the train" is a requirement.

[Nolder]

I don't mind some valid suspicious or questions but crap like "100% Notbob scum" and "Don't listen to anything Tommy or Nolder says" is just asinine.

[Songstress]

I don't mind some valid suspicious or questions but crap like "100% Notbob scum" and "Don't listen to anything Tommy or Nolder says" is just asinine.

 

This is Des we're talking about.  Hyperbole is pretty much his middle name.

[Arsis]

I hate when people use the whole night deadline. Get your actions in.

[Songstress]

I hate when people use the whole night deadline. Get your actions in.

 

Done did.

[nervositee]

I hate when people use the whole night deadline. Get your actions in.

Well, with 23 players and everyone with a role then I'm guessing night will drag on.

[Lenlo]

So many posts over night. Your all crazy.

[Krakalakachkn]

 

Don't like how Tommy is implying that anyone who distrusts his claim is scum.  I say have his partner claim and then have Tsuki confirm that person.  Then if all that works, we can have Tommy use his ability on whoever we lynch, assuming we decide to go that way.

 

Is this what you were referrign to btw Des?  Cuz I thought it was pretty pro-town at the time but I got tons of heat for it.

 

 

What do you mean "at the time?"

 

 

 

 

It´s hard to figure out people´s alignment from the voting since many (or maybe all) have some ability that has to do with voting. In my case, I can learn how many threats to the town there are on the lynchtrain as long as my vote is not on that train. (Kind of opposite to Hallia.) What we need to work with right now though is that we know that there are four non town players on Darthe´s lynch train. That is great info.

So...at the end of the day you pick which train you want to check?

Because there can be several trains you're not on.

 

Also yes exactly.

Note that Des and X are basically calling you and Hallia liars by extension.

They're trying to shift the focus from finding these 4 people to some conspiracy about me/tommy/notbob.

 

I don't understand what's so hard to believe that Tommy would be silenced so he can't clear Darthe for sure until later and that he was contacted by a neighbor role. Like Tommy is center of attention right now, why wouldn't people be using powers on him?

 

Nice misconstruing, Nolder. Just when I put pressure you. Do enlighten me, how am I and Des calling Tina and Hallia liars by extension? 

 

I never said I didn't believe them to be liars. If I did, I wouldn't give my reads on the other people on the train who weren't cleared. When Des asked, if sensor reads were given, I wouldn't tell him about what Hallia found.

 

To me, it looks like what Des said is not at all related to Tina or Hallia. He's accusing you guys. Why are you trying to shift the focus away from you? 

 

See, I never said I believed Des. All I said was I believe his claim of having a leader of a lynch ability because I have one. All other stuff I concentrated on was your responses to his case.

 

I see you're panicking 

 

 

For someone who doesn't believe Des' case, you're sure going off right now.

 

Here's my 2cents, Des' case expressly states that Tommy, NotBob, and probably Nolder are scum.  You say you never stated you believed Des' case, but by going off on Nolder directly paraphrasing from Des' case and stating that Nol is "panicking" pretty much implies that you agree with Des' case, because if his case is false and Nol is town then why would any of it matter to Nol?

 

Also you just had Tommy in your confirmed town pile, so this also doesn't jive with what you're saying.

 

 

In mostly confirmed townies are Tommy, Darthe, Tsuki. Tress and Arsis a little lower along with Key and AJ. Dawn in the null to town pile. And mainly everyone who I haven't mentioned in null pile.

 

And Red below Dice in the scummy group

 

 

 

There are a couple of easy ways to solve this. Notbob isnt confirmed though hw is closer than some. I say ask because he is a neighborizer so he can be lynched tomorrow. Also (somewhat less fool proof) I still didnt trust Tommy so I changed a single weird in my role pm. Often chilly kiss their abilities but id he cant tell me that then he lied anyhow. Also I dont see quicksilver being specifically unless mynd wanted to confirm that this game had recruiting which would be both odd for a mod and something that other players would have. Des makes a lot of sense in his earlier post and I very much support this line of reasoning.

 

Oh, and Notbob snuck through the day by buying me. We really don't have anything to clear him on, even less than we do on nol. No sense in taking everyone's asked about their abilities.

lolwut?

 

 

 

 

 

So much night chat...

TL;DR we got a bead on 4 scum out of 7 people.

Des and X scrambling wildly to shift suspicion onto me/Tommy/Notbob.

You scrambling wildly to steer it back.

 

 

How the effing hell is this pro-town?  

 

 

 

Paying attention to the thread?

 

Why 10? We have 24 possible scum

 

Selective tunneling is bad idea imo

 

I find it interesting that you include yourself in the possible scum pile.  

[Tsukibana]

 

Aint no WAY that Quicksilver would be unrecruitable.

Why not?

 

 

 

Catching up - I side with Nolder (and Tommy) here - Scarlet Witch is one of the most powerful telepaths around,according to source - Ain't SHIT that can get into her twin's head without her finding out. It's BOTH twins, or none, IMO.

[nervositee]

1 - its a snarky comment, sure, but you soft-fos'ing x and des for not bowing down at Tommys feet looks pretty bad.

 

2 - sure I did. I knlw my alignment, you know yours, but I can't prove mine unless I'm dead, nor can you. It was probably a bit strange way to put it, but I think you are reaching for straws beating the grass trying to pick apart that sentence. Don't be shy, do you think I included myself because I'm scum, then feel free to come forward with it.

[Krakalakachkn]

1 - its a snarky comment, sure, but you soft-fos'ing x and des for not bowing down at Tommys feet looks pretty bad.

 

2 - sure I did. I knlw my alignment, you know yours, but I can't prove mine unless I'm dead, nor can you. It was probably a bit strange way to put it, but I think you are reaching for straws beating the grass trying to pick apart that sentence. Don't be shy, do you think I included myself because I'm scum, then feel free to come forward with it.

 

I'm assuming that you're referring to the two quotes below?

 

I'd love to see where I'm "soft fosing X and Des for not bowing at Tom's feet."

 

 

 

 

 

So much night chat...

TL;DR we got a bead on 4 scum out of 7 people.

Des and X scrambling wildly to shift suspicion onto me/Tommy/Notbob.

You scrambling wildly to steer it back.

 

 

How the effing hell is this pro-town?  

 

 

 

Paying attention to the thread?

 

Why 10? We have 24 possible scum

 

Selective tunneling is bad idea imo

 

I find it interesting that you include yourself in the possible scum pile.  

 

 

 

 

Also seeing as how I do think you're scum, I think there is a chance you slipped and included yourself in the scum pile.  I can't take it to the bank or anything, nor is it a hard tell, but it certainly points me toward where I was already headed..

 

 

 

And your first comment is waaay more than snarky.  Trying to paint it as only snarky does your statement a great disservice even thought I'm sure you'd love if I took your snark at face value.  You're pretty much softly agreeing with Despo's conspiracy theory and trying to paint Nolder in a bad light in an effort to make him seem more suspicious to others.

 

Do you actually think Nolder is scum and agree with Des' theory, or are you just throwing out phrases trying to roil the water?

[RandA lThor]

Still catching up, may not be able to respind for awhile

[nervositee]

I suggested Tommy as a recruit before Des.

 

I'm not sold on the idea, and it's way too early to pursue, but I want to keep the option open.

 

Even though I don't like Nolder right now, trying to discredit everyone who speaks against Tommy right now, Gun to my head I think he is town. But I'm leaning back and forth on him.

 

Curious about you, because you have several times mentioned me in a way that seems like you have an "agenda" to get me lynched, not just thinking I'm scum. But I know my alignment so might be paranoid. But yes. Curious.

[dicetosser1]

ok got a few pages open  giving thoughts as i go.

 

 

 

Because I saw multiple people with the hammer ability, it was an easy assumption that there were others that had similar "lynch leader" abilities

1 Unless someone wants to corroborate your theory I don't see any reason to take your word for it.
Sounds like something you cooked up because a bunch of townies claimed hammer abilities.
 

So I was trying to pay attention to anyone who seemed to want to lead a train, and people who didn't want to move their vote if they were first
 
NotBob was as easy to pick out for this as it gets.

It's been a long game.
Mind citing where Notbob actively tries to 2 lead a train?
I certainly don't remember him pushing on Darthe the hardest.
In fact up until his turn around I'd say Tom was Darthes biggest detractor.

 

 

I'm guessing Tommy isn't silenced at all, but that he's passing this message through Nol (who is pretty much guaranteed to be his twin btw for all the derps out there) to make it look more believable. Two things tipped me off to this:
 
"NotBob used a friendly neighbor type role to contact me. I'm assuming he's town for now given that and his thread play which seems like his typical self."
 
"And I see a lot of recruitment talk ITT. I know that my character personally cannot be recruited"

You're guessing that based on....? Just your unsubstantiated theory?

Aint no WAY that Quicksilver would be unrecruitable.

3 Why not?

 

 

1 wouldnt that just be basic logic? with how many people are claiming hammer abilities, then for balance wouldn't it follow that some have lead lynch abilitys too?

 

2 Define lead. is it to be first? NB was in the first vote position at the end of that lynch. is to actively push? if so i lead on tommy for eg. or is it just to push which bob always asking if darthe is lynched yet would seem to fulfil too??

 

3 I can see why he said that. in Canon Quicksilver was recruited to the Brotherhood of evil mutants. He also went his own way, and also hooked up with the Avengers too. He has a comic history tieing him to multiple factions.

[WWWwombat]

A "friendly" neighbor isnt called a neighborizer. Its called a masonizer, especially on DM who uses the title exclusively to my knowledge. Thus, by proxy Not Bob being a neighbor is meant to keep from confirming his alignment with his role. Whether I trust Tommy or not is irellevant to this, the role and information doesnt and cant clear Notbob.

 

Agreed.  Unless NotBob is a legit Friendly Neighbor, he is not clear.

[WWWwombat]

 

Tom:

 

 

We (you and I, Darthe) both saw how he plays as town in the Tron game. He became one of my top 5 townies around mid D1 because I was seeing the same bulldog behavior. His justification for lynching you -- your odd, emo behavior -- wasn't unwarranted at all. I wanted you dead for almost all of D1. Then something clicked in my head and I realized "okay, he might ACTUALLY just be emo about DM in particular and that why he's not enjoying himself, so I should offer to save him knowing I'll get his role and see how he responds."

 

I was privy to knowing my ability was real and your response was genuine. I can understand NB still thinking you're scum because if you are scum and I save you, hey, at least you bought a day. I don't think he was paying particularly good attention once we got to the point where you, me, Arsis and Tsuki were towning up the thread against the likes of Vos and Wombat [and Nolder, but I now know with 99.99% certainty Nolder is town], but we saw that same behavior from NB all the way until we reached MyLo in Tron. His ability, which came concurrent with my silencing and result for your role, meaning it's likely to have been a lynch or day ability, is just icing on the cake. I have no reason to doubt his affiliation and I ask respectfully that you trust me for now. I am keeping some of my cards hidden for now, but I'm still revealing a ton of info. 

 

Darthe - town result from my hammer ability; consistent with gameplay. 

Songstress - town result from a mechanical ability; no reason to doubt that result right now. When I threatened to vig her early on her response was very town-like. 

NotBob - likely town from a mechanical ability; consistent with town meta gameplay.

Nolder - have been talking to him a lot on QT and am very confident he's town. We shared role PMs with each other and he knows who my mason is. 

 

So while we COULD tinfoil on any of these players, or even me, I ask that we just do the SENSIBLE thing and roll with the info we have and see how it plays out.

 

 

I still don't see how mechanics have anything to do with NotBob being likely town.  I'm ok with Tommy townreading him (he's not one of my suspects), but unless Mynd told Tommy that NotBob is town, the mechanics should have nothign to do with it.

[dicetosser1]

not liking how nolder comes off in page 131 going back and forth with X. I think X had some valid points and nol was playing word games, changing things like thats  not the point etc.