[Standard] - Hitchhiker's Game to the Galaxy - Game Over

[Cory Caboose]

Out of curiosity, Tina, what about my play today has made you think I am Mafia?

[Niniel]

1. Going crazy over Des... ehm... playing mafia. 

2. Character claiming a major character out of the blue. 

3. Trying to make yourself look town by linking to a lot of other games. 

4. Focusing too much on Des. You started as you usually do with town listing people but then you just got stuck in the tunnel. 

 

Now I would like others to tell me what they see in your play that points to you being town. 

[Cory Caboose]

Why does me going crazy at Des make me Mafia? You can say "I'm linking to other games" if you want, but the last game we were village-village together I went (deservedly) nuts @ Darthe for "playing Mafia". Yeah, I tend to get into rather heated arguments with other power players, especially when they tell me I am flat-out wrong about this or that when I have made my process very visible all game.

 

As for the character claim, whatever. Nothing that is +EV for me to elaborate on ATM and perhaps was a heat of the moment thing but what's done is done.

 

Almost all "linking to other games" has been a response to Clovdyx pointing out other games and supplying an incorrect meta for me. I will always argue when someone provides information about me that is incorrect.

 

Seriously, I want a good answer to the question: why would I do this as Mafia? Des was sniping me, but not really going at me, and I was a pretty consensus townread before I got heated with him. I get that it doesn't "make me town" - and I don't care if you are reading me as town, I am wondering why you are reading me as Mafia.

 

I have been super transparent with my frustration with Des and it's sad to think that our honeymoon period is over, but it was bound to happen. Other than that, I have been pretty damn active in the thread, consistently giving out my leans and explaining them (numerous times), and facilitating communication in a positive way.

 

I am at least sympathetic with Clov because he is looking back at previous play to determine why I got heated even if it led to incorrect conclusions.

[Nynaeve]

I was reading Cory as town because he seemed to be genuinely trying to figure things out. He started off as he always does, building an initial base of townie leans and taking it from there, poking people and gauging for reactions. I also agreed with quite a few of his reads. We disagreed on some things but all in all I was getting a good feeling from him.

 

To clarify, I don't like his tantrum at all. But not from a POV of a town/scum read. I just find it f**king annoying and totally not conducive to the game as whole. I don't even really care what specifically prompted it. While I can relate to frustrations that arise from the game when you put in loads of work and later feel unappreciated.... if he's that emotionally spent by the game, I would have preferred him sub out rather than drag it into the game. That's what I would do, anyhow.

 

I know for a fact that Cory has emotional outbursts in games occasionally. From what I heard it's likely to happen with either alignment. So his whole outburst and  emo behavior is null to me. He can get touchy enough to be taking nonsense personally as town and he's smart enough to use this kind of behavior as scum.

 

So my resolution is to go with how I felt about him before this all went down, and that was a townie lean. So that's what I'm sticking with. Gonna be keeping an eye on him for sure and if I see him shifting away from what I consider a townie narrative, I won't hesitate to place a vote on him. But for now I'm giving him the benefit of the doubt.

 

 

@Cory I would like to see you continuing with your reread of the thread in the night phase and give us your insight. I remember that as scum in Real Genius you shuffled your feet about actually doing the work that a townie would do.  :P  So this would go along way, imo. Assuming scumhunting it still your objective :P

 

 

 

Nyn

 

[Cory Caboose]

I have actually heavily considered subbing out over the past two days

 

And you are right in the sense that I do shuffle my feet as Mafia in doing work. With that said I was up until 4am last night for this game and when I woke up I found myself lead wagon so you hopefully you can understand why that was so demotivating for me

 

But yes, there is scum to hunt and apparently night is 36 hours so I will do my best for you

[Cory Caboose]

And you guys can say all you want about my "tantrums" but they get a lot of great info into the thread.

I wasn't the only person that spent a good deal of Day 1 being abrasive 

[Nynaeve]

But yes, there is scum to hunt and apparently night is 36 hours so I will do my best for you

 

Thank you <3

 

 

 

And you guys can say all you want about my "tantrums" but they get a lot of great info into the thread.

I wasn't the only person that spent a good deal of Day 1 being abrasive 

 

*is abrasive*   

 

 

 

 

Nyn

[Cory Caboose]

Mafia: I am Arthur Dent. If you want to know what my role is, you will have to kill me to find out.

 

Town: I'm out of cares. Gl. You probably shouldn't listen to Des, as he's either Mafia or gone complete moron this game.

 

I read about his first three paragraphs and I'm legit done with this. He says I mishandled my clearing of Leelou - first problem is I NEVER CLEARED LEELOU. I said she was > rand to be villa because her snap vote on Tina for drawing attention to herself was more likely to come from a villager. She's been in my green pile (see: light villager) for that and that she seems to be paying attention (ie the vig post that apparently came "after I cleared Leelou")

 

What blows my goddamn mind about this is that Des keeps crying about how I'm not clearing him, says I'm mishandling Leelou for clearing her WHEN THEY HAVE BEEN RIGHT GODDAMN NEXT TO EACHOTHER ON MY LIGHT VILLA LIST

 

i am NOT dealing with this Geript-level bullshit, it's not happening, i don't have the time or patience to go through a MQ on my phone

 

If you are Maf Des congrats on hitting my weak spot as I don't give a damn about this game anymore

 

I guess this is the big "tantrum" post

 

This is like... 4/10 for me. Maybe.

 

I don't think this forum could handle like, actual #CorryCurn emorage. I remember getting snippy with Leelou but I think a lot of people reacted poorly to me being frustrated with Des' lolbad post @ 892.

 

http://www.dragonmount.com/forums/topic/89426-standard-hitchhikers-game-to-the-galaxy-day-one/?p=3255231

 

I will go through what I can and try to figure out what it all means

 

But looking back this all seems to be overstated, this was really between me and Des and Clov was the only person with enough background to really weigh in on what it meant

 

I am actually really excited to see who dies N1

[Cory Caboose]

FWIW my read on Des is so back-and-forth I don't even know where I am at irt to him

 

Sometimes I think he's a villager simply because he's willing to tumble in the mud with me

But, he basically says "I have Lazy as light town, Leelou and Hallia as null-to-scum and Thane as scum"

Thane, Hallia and Leelou all proceed to vote Lazy as a secondary wagon to the wagon that has formed on me

I go into the thread thinking it's hybrid hammer and that I'll probably be lynched and start pouring out my notes

Des votes... Lazy to pres me? I don't understand. I know when I see three people at the top of my scumlist all start CFDing someone I think is both a probable villager and lynchbait, the last thing on my mind is "I should join that wagon"

 

I do not understand that all. The first thought looking back is that Des realized there would probably be a great deal of consequences for my death and flip.

[Cory Caboose]

Like, as Des there, there is basically no way I am thinking that isn't the scummiest CFD in the world.

 

But he switches the lynch HE'S LEADING to vote for it near EOD.

 

Baffling

[dicetosser1]

 

 

im goin to bed so i am going to do the consolidation vote.

 

unvote hallia

 

vote cory

 

Up until your unvote, this was the vote count:

 

Verbal: 1 - Lazy

Cory: 3 - Clov, Des, Tina

Despo: 1 - Cory

Hallia: 2 - AJ, Dice

Lazy: 2 - Nyn, Leelou

RTE: 1 - Pral

Pralaya: 1 - BFG

 

There are basically 3 leading trains available. Cory, Hallia and Lazy. You pick Cory specifically saying it's for consolidation reasons and that we won't reach majority on anyone else.... and yet there are two trains that can just as easily reach majority.

 

In addition, your disclaimer on doing it for consolidation alone gives you plenty of wiggle room if Cory flips town.

 

ie You're full of shit.

 

 

 

Nyn

 

This

 

Voting for consolidation is fine, but why Cory over the other possible trains?

 

 

 

 No nyn cory was THE leading train. He had 2 +me = 4 and there was like 4 people who were around at 4 hrs before deadline. that makes 8. add the possibility of one more turning up and a lynch can be achieved. I went highest number train. thats it.

 

 

 

Cory, Hallia, Dice would be my top three lynch preferences for the day. 

 

 

(Ok, Real Talk: I had about the worst day/night you can imagine due to a co-workers incompetance forcing me to work at 12 hour caregiving shift combined with nanny work.  I feel better today, but I wasn't going to tackle this because with all the high tension in thread)

 

 

Pral: You said my vote on Mish was sheeping? How's that possible when there were only two of us on her?  I don't think that word means what you think it means.

 

Dice:  I buy the claim for now, especially with how fast his train was going up at the time.

 

So between the two left we have a train of Cory/Lazy.  I don't recall much of Lazy's posting, but from reading back, Cory seems to have reigned in the anger some, and is looking more townish.  So for now.

 

Vote: Lazy

 

Also, apparently I'm a thing as well.  I'm Vanilla Town, so that'd kind of be a waste.

 

I hate pretty much everything about this post.  In regards to Pral, I think there's a terrible way to justify what appeared to be a very questionable vote.  Essentially any early vote is perfectly fine?  No, you look at the reasoning given for the original vote and then you look at the reasoning for the following votes.  The comment wasn't towards me, Hallia, but it looked like you were happy to follow somebody else's lead on Mish and just didn't want to say "Okay, I'll go with this!"

 

In regards to Dice, I still like my original case, I don't like that he kind of skirted around giving me the answers I asked for originally, and Nyn is spot on about his vote justification.  "I don't think we're going to get to 8 today".  Oh, okay.  So when you said you're thinking Cory, you weren't REALLY thinking Cory.  With everything in the thread, I'm not surprised his lynch moved the way it did.  I'll concede his Cory voting was recent, so that shouldn't be considered when examining the train, but it's not like he's played an exceptionally Pro-town game since.

 

Biggest knock is the train decision.  Cory pulled back anger and looked more townish.  Being calm is not inherently townie behavior, and anger is not inherently scummy.  If Lazy's posting failed to leave an impression so much that his play isn't memorable, I'm guessing he hasn't been too scummy.

 

Bold - I...I don't even know what to say to that.

 

Clov I totally think cory is town. the spak attack didn't change that. hence why i voted only for consolidation.

 

and I think i answered all your questions. You may not LIKE the answers but i answered.

[dicetosser1]

oh and the comment about me soft defending lazy. I simply gave my thoughts on lazy and why.

[Andrej]

Sorta lame how dead the thread has gotten since the EOD.

 

I'm back after a long, long day. 2 more weekends of training and then I start my summer camp job in earnest.

 

Poor kids

[Hayl3y]

good morning people *yawns*

I think I need some coffee lol

 

little reminder

for u all

 

Night 1 Deadline

 

Monday 6.00 PM GMT

[hazelkrs1]

Tbh I'm not disappointed at all that we didn't secure a lynch. We still had a productive D1, we have a ton of interactions to go through and the way all the trains switched up there for a bit should be very telling later in the game with more info.

 

And the only only info we really lost out on is Pray's flip- and there's a very good chance we'll figure out his alignment at some point anyways, so it's not like we missed out on the chance to get info from the lynch completely, the info will just be delayed.

 

This is why I'm often a fan of running up various wagons D1, then ending with a No Lynch towards EOD. It kinda puts a lot of pressure on the mafia team, since they have the game's first kill which tends to give away more info to town if they choose the wrong target. This game not having the random no coroner makes the risk much smaller for not securing a lynch.

 

And incidentally not only did I think Pray was town before, but his character claim makes me think he's even more likely to be town. Again, this is WIFOM, but Wonko the Sane is a pretty obscure character to use as a fake claim. Additionally, the manner in which Pray revealed, along with his self-vote, make me doubt he did so to try and save his skin.

 

In fact, Nyn has been tinfoiling about a lot of my other town reads for quite some time now, so her recent fos @ Pray for his self-vote seems even stranger. Might have to take another look at her.

 

Speaking of claims btw, Hallia's is just

[Niniel]

I agree with you about Pral. Not that I had much oppinions about him before but the way he selfvoted to avoid a no lynch looks good. 

 

Dice - do you believe that Cory has claimed his true character?

[Niniel]

And I don´t get Hallia´s reveal either. 

[Nynaeve]

Clov cast his vote on Hallia, making it pretty clear that he wasnt gonna join Pral's train around 12 mins before deadline. At this point Pral was at L-3. I was looking at who was around the site and did not see AJ or Thane around. Then Pral self votes putting himself at L-2, 9 minutes to deadline when it seemed (at least to me) like a hopeless cause. I don't find that telling at all. If he self voted 30-40mins before, giving some time for people to show, I might have given him townie credit. But nine minutes into deadline with visibly no one around? Nope.

 

 

Nyn

[Nynaeve]

And on a general note, unlike Des, I'm not a fan of a no lynch at all. Especially on D1 where we have room for mistakes. Because we could have gained quite a bit of insight and have a little more ground to stand on, even if Pral didn't flip scum. But I guess that's a matter of opinion. *shrugs*

 

 

 

Nyn

[Thane Vakarian]

*hopes the Night Actions will shed some light on things*

[Nynaeve]

Hi Thane :-)

 

 

 

Nyn

[Thane Vakarian]

Hiya Nyn

 

I'm around when i can, but seeing it's weekend, and night, there'sl ittle to be done other than wait and see....

 

Bit frustrated about the non-lynch, but we'll see if there's any info to be had about the fact that it didn't take place and who did (not) vote.

[Nynaeve]

Yeah, I'm looking forward to see AJ analyzing the voting patterns, like he mentioned. I'm not that good at that so it'll be interesting to see what he comes up with.

 

 

Nyn

[Thane Vakarian]

I tend to just go with the flow, act to the feel i get. I don't plan anything in advance, which sometimes gets me into trouble. Having some problems keeping up with the game, but i'll try to make the best of it. All my previous games did not reach 70 pages on D1..

[Nynaeve]

Lol tell me about it. In games I've played in before, the entire game would be 35 pages. But in the last couple of games, that changed dramatically. I blame Cory :p

 

 

Nyn