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Verbal32 · May 21, 2014

*stands behind Nyn and nods*

Cory Caboose · May 21, 2014

I'm not throwing dirt on your credibility. I'm just questioning one of them based on my disagreement. I would imagine you can see where I'm coming from, right? You think I'm town, so imagine my POV on this.

Don't get all emotional about it. I'm not saying you aren't fit to find mafia. Jeez. If anything, I'm discussing this with you because I can align well with your D1 approach. I'm not a D1 scumhunter. I'd rather find a couple town, and can do better scumhunting D2+ because of efforts on D1 (not necessarily efforts by myself). So I can align with your efforts, but I need to hash out my main disagreement with you.

If you're going to rail against me because I'm discussing this with you, then we aren't going to have a productive D1.

I'm not railing against you. just tired of explaining AJ. If you want to think I'm suspicious for it, go ahead, but try to think exactly what purpose it would serve for me to give a strong town player who is a non-consensus read an arbitrary strong town lean and stick to it stubbornly (at least to the point of Day 1). Grabbing all the townies I can is a big part of what I do Day 1s and I'll use whatever tools I can to do so.

You don't seem to like my explanations - I'm sorry. If you want me to do is doubt AJ, I'm not going to do that either. I am almost always right when I give someone a lean like this and it's too bad we don't see eye to eye but we are different players who like for different things.

@verbal

it's not a fair question. You're basically suggesting that because clov is reading des as town and des cocluded that you're town.... then he can't call out mish for thinking you're town too. That's horse shit.

Clov has a town lean on des, not on you. So he can fos mish for it till doom's day. This soft defense of mish bothers me.

Nyn

NynGOAT evolution beginning.

But really, this is the stuff I wanted to see from you :wub:

Cory really isn't lying when he talks about his ability to read me, it kind of blows my mind too. It started back in the Mass Effect game, where although I was barking up the wrong trees, he got an okay glimpse at my thought process as a townie. Then in the RW game we hydra'd so we both got a very good inside view of how the other thinks and we were able to bounce ideas off each other, etc. That hydra QT is a goldmine of towniness The next game we played in, I was mafia, and he basically knew it right away because of how different I came across I suppose.

I can understand your suspicion of him clearing me when you don't agree, but I can attest to his ability in doing so and I don't personally find it uncomfortable whatsoever.

I am town, he can read this through my posts and tone. I can do that similarly with him this game.

:wub:

Hey Des, remember Mass Effect (which I admit in terms of scumreads I was pretty bad lol) where swinging into Day 2 you said AJ was playing really scummy and I kept yelling that you and AJ were the only two people making sense to me and that you were town-town? And AJ became the voteleader and got executioner and he was the cop? :unsure:

My scumreads are hit-and-miss. My townreads are usually pretty GOAT :biggrin:

on a personal note, i find D1 a bit usefull, but i feel the 'real game' starts D2, when the first victim(s) have fallen. I have some problems reading people for the moment, but that could be because i don't know a bunch of players here from previous games. I agree that dice looks off though (as stated in a previous post), but i'll have to check all the others to complete my list of suspects.

I disagree with this entirely but I will say you pushing me/AJ as potentially "covering for eachother" very likely makes you a townie. You're probably heading straight to blue territory. You're the latest winner of #diceadvice

Cory Caboose · May 21, 2014

I'm soulreading Clov town now too

whatcha gonna do bout it

Nynaeve · May 21, 2014

I liked Clov's case on dice. I think at this point I'm leaning more towards him than Mish, due to past games where she similarly freaked out and turned out being town. I rather not make that mistake again (though, admittedly, lynching Mish always gives me the lolz).

Vote dice

dice, you have the lowest post count in the game right now. Five measly posts. Step it up.

Nyn

Hallia · May 21, 2014

That makes more sense to me, but even posts of people doing that are valuable, especially post-flips

(Lynch Verb! Lookit him doing that! :laugh: )

Nynaeve · May 21, 2014

*stands behind Nyn and nods*

The view is better at the front, but to each his own.

Nyn

Hallia · May 21, 2014

Dice always confuses me, I have a difficult time reading him

Nynaeve · May 21, 2014

That makes more sense to me, but even posts of people doing that are valuable, especially post-flips

(Lynch Verb! Lookit him doing that! )

I'm failing to see your point.

Nyn

Thane Vakarian · May 21, 2014

@cory: that's why i started with 'on a personal note'. I know that there are players out there who disagree with it, but everybody has his/her opinions and those should be respected :wink:

as for dice: active dice is town, lurking dice is scum. That's what i feel about him. But, i'd like to hear something from him before he'd get a vote from me. Something... anything....

ReleaseTheEvil · May 21, 2014

The reason why dice is tough to read though is often he has a lot of r/l reasons to "lurk" so it's hard to say that's part of some sort of meta.

Another person who interests me is BFG. Starts off MUCH

ReleaseTheEvil · May 21, 2014

more vocal than I have ever seen her but has gone back to being quiet. A result of her schedule or...

Not sure what Hallia meant by her last post? Explanation I can has?

Posting is hard sometimes. I suck at counting.

Clovdyx · May 21, 2014

Putting things together so I can read this easier.

Alright I'm all caught up now. Thoughts and things that stuck out:

- As AJ said, I've seen this from Mish before. She won't like me saying this (not that others here have been worried about saying things she won't like ) but she is a very emotional and reactionary player. I've played with her a lot and that response is by no means out of character from her.

- Verbal and Corey interaction gives me a town read on them both. However, I've only played once with Corey and reading him is near impossible to me, but I like their dialogue thus far.

-I think AJ is on par per usual in terms of his town play. If there's a scum AJ it's how his play progresses, not really how it starts. Curious to see how it goes.

- Dice's posts look... err.. dicey. Hope he comes back with more because so far...

- Town Read on Nyn, Des, and Tina, Null on Hallia and Leelou. Feel like Leelou was being a bit obtuse in that she was being purposefully difficult at the start but meh. She's come around since in her posting but jury is out.

Right now I'm going to Vote: Dice . He needs to come back with more than pingy posts.

So town Nyn, Des, Tina, Cory, Verbal, AJ. Null on Hallia, Leelou, and I guess Mish? Or Mish to town? Dice scum.

BFG, me, Thane, Lazy, Pral unaccounted for. That sound about right, RTE?

Clovdyx · May 21, 2014

Why wouldn't you do another broken post while I'm trying to figure out the last one?

Andrej · May 21, 2014

Again, I think I have posted a fair amount and pointed out several original things as they came to me.

To say simply that I haven't said much is bullshit, frankly. If you aren't able to find the conclusions in my posts then I will work on making myself more clear, but you could also ask for a further explanation for the things you don't understand/follow.

I'm sorry, am I supposed to imagine your conclusions? If you post observation without spelling out what they mean to YOU, then don't act surprised when people point out that you're talking for the sake of talking.

No, I'm not telling you to imagine anything. The conclusions were there, if not very clear to you. What I'm saying is that instead of simplifying my words, look further into them. If there was a question as to what I was saying you should have asked me to clarify instead of immediately reversing it into meaning something bad on my part.

Nynaeve · May 21, 2014

Again, I think I have posted a fair amount and pointed out several original things as they came to me.

To say simply that I haven't said much is bullshit, frankly. If you aren't able to find the conclusions in my posts then I will work on making myself more clear, but you could also ask for a further explanation for the things you don't understand/follow.

I'm sorry, am I supposed to imagine your conclusions? If you post observation without spelling out what they mean to YOU, then don't act surprised when people point out that you're talking for the sake of talking.

No, I'm not telling you to imagine anything. The conclusions were there, if not very clear to you. What I'm saying is that instead of simplifying my words, look further into them. If there was a question as to what I was saying you should have asked me to clarify instead of immediately reversing it into meaning something bad on my part.

I wasn't reversing anything. I was making an observation and I explained why it bothered me.

Nyn

Clovdyx · May 21, 2014

AJ there are prolly quite a few peolple that aren't posting much right now. I'm not arguing that. What bugs me is that you have posted.... but haven't said much ultimately.

I guess we'll see as the game progresses.

Nyn

I disagree with Myn here, I don't know how much can really be said D1, but so long as someone isn't blatantly misconstruing another persons words, I think the more the better - it gives us more to go on

Hallia - Am I misinterpreting you, or is the quoted post by Nyn what you were replying to?

Hallia · May 21, 2014

Again, I think I have posted a fair amount and pointed out several original things as they came to me.

To say simply that I haven't said much is bullshit, frankly. If you aren't able to find the conclusions in my posts then I will work on making myself more clear, but you could also ask for a further explanation for the things you don't understand/follow.

I'm sorry, am I supposed to imagine your conclusions? If you post observation without spelling out what they mean to YOU, then don't act surprised when people point out that you're talking for the sake of talking.

I disagree with Nyn here, I don't know how much can really be said D1, but so long as someone isn't blatantly misconstruing another persons words, I think the more the better - it gives us more to go on

I'm not sure why you said this. I never said that I expected people to stop posting. I want people to post and scumhunt. But if someone is just posting fillers or standing behind other people's back and nodding, then you better believe I'm gonna point it out.

Nyn

^

This is what that was in response to.

It seemed to me that Nyn was scolding AJ for posting a lot, but it wasn't so much the quantity, but the quality she was criticizing.

Nynaeve · May 21, 2014

How could that be? Your post was at 9 pm and the post you quoted was at 9:39 pm.

>.>

Nyn

Lazy · May 21, 2014

*stands behind Nyn and nods*

The view is better at the front, but to each his own.

Nyn

Im in front. And its a good view.

Too many posts to quote from phone. So why all this frabbing of people. Some people dont like to be touched ok.

And yall, this posturing and making up of intent is funny based on posts made on the net. Its sooo cute. Maybe there is no mafia and all we have to do is find arthur and reunite him with the whale.

Cory Caboose · May 21, 2014

@cory: that's why i started with 'on a personal note'. I know that there are players out there who disagree with it, but everybody has his/her opinions and those should be respected

The problem for me is that I come from a forum where sitting on your hands Day 1 is basically what everyone does

A talented Mafia team will nearly always win in that set-up

It's not so much about solving the game Day 1 as it is forcing every player to put some opinions out there and make stances and let their views be known. This is all super important for setting the table later game, and with enough pressure and resolve there will be less-comfortable Mafia players who will struggle and potentially be outed either soon or immediately because of it

tl;dr: don't let people stay invisible

think of your own situation as an example. in Mass Effect you weren't outed Day 1 because Turin tripped over a treebranch and luckily led a Mafia lynch; the thread was pretty rife with information and he took a good stance and ran away with it.

It all has purpose, and basically the more juice we squeeze out of everyone the better

Cory Caboose · May 21, 2014

Slot11 - Pralaya
Slot12 - Hallia
Slot13 - Dice
Slot14 - Mish

this is my list of people I'd really like to see more from ATM

michellem · May 21, 2014

I'm really sorry for just disappearing today guys, had a migraine and anxiety attack come in at the same time. I'm going to bed now and will catch up tomorrow morning.

Cory Caboose · May 21, 2014

Sounds good Mish, feel better!!

Clovdyx · May 21, 2014

Cory, did you ever state your feelings on Despot's case against Leelou? Pretty obvious how you felt about his conclusion, but you wanted him to show his work.

Cory Caboose · May 22, 2014

Clov, what I have open to Des ATM:

Leelou seem interested in figuring things out, which is something I didn't see at all in her scum game - she was more reactionary
Tina being willing to draw potentially negative attention to herself early is her biggest towntell imo, she's another player I think I can read very well. I misread her in.... Mass Effect? and took a little more time to look over her games awhile ago and I think I understand the way she thinks pretty well

Where has Leelou seemed interested in figuring things out? She's mostly been fluffing, talking about potential post restrictions, and saying people shouldn't be seriously scumhunting (or townhunting) yet.

I'm also not sure where Tina drew negative attention to herself, unless you mean by quoting the books, but then I don't see how that would count as "inviting negative attention" to yourself.

The manner, especially the speed, with which you "cleared" Leelou and Tina this game has me slightly worried bout you Cory. You also seem to not see me as town yet, which is troubling in itself.

Yeah, we are not seeing the game the same way, which is bad news bear tilting.

Leelou 360'd into orbit not long after my post, but her mix of waffling-on-being-townread to total paranoia and then agitation is generally more indicative of her being a villager. Don't love the votes on her.

As for the bold... The last game we were both villagers I hardcleared three players in like... 50 posts. Correctly, I might add. This worries me more - this is pretty much how I play and I don't believe you actually believe this is different for me. After 16 pages I had two strong villagers and three town leans - noting too that Leelou was/has never been on my blue list.

What do YOU think of Tina so far?

Des, some other stuff to chew on

I need to reread at some point but did you discuss RTE's OP at all? I saw it and it immediately came to mind as something you would go full bore at but I don't remember seeing you say anything about it. I believe AJ talked about it. One of those things that should be discussed

Thane was strange early but I don't think it was alignment indicative and mostly he's felt super loose. Off the D1 table imo

I do agree with the overall notion that Hallia has been off. I would like to see more from her

If you want me to be 1000000% transparent, my earlier bad feelings on you were mostly because of your Clov vote. Why? In the last game we were villagers I said my perception of your scum meta is that you are as standardly aggressive but you go after consensus targets and weaker players instead - I thought you coming @ Clov with almost no conviction was a possible attempt to rock my meta by shooting at a strong player. I also agree I have liked Clov better recently (with that said, he's one of the people I take a very long time reading to clear - gun to my head I would say he's town but I'm not ready to put him in my green list ATM) and you do have some conviction behind your Leelou push even if I would guess you are trying to lead a lynch on a villager. But you also seem to lack the enthusiasm that is a big part of what I recognize in your town game.

I won't advocate your lynch any time soon (cause and cause I don't really know exactly how to feel about you so far this game) but you are firmly within my POE until you get out of it

I have some more villagers doe

think the bold is sort of what you are looking for, but I can't expand too much on how I feel until he gets back to me

He's in my light-villager pile, but my whole list seems a little over-town skewed ATM so there's a curve somewhere that I should probably get to placing :laugh:

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