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  On 4/4/2014 at 4:15 AM, Despothera said:

My first reaction is to not buy the claim.

 

He's acting like its guaranteed now that he won't be lynched (I'll reveal my viewing once night starts). He put in some bizarre stuff about them playing stuff close to the chest that looked forced to me. And he puts out another reads list along with his claim... that seems forced as well.

 

I also don't get what the point is of not revealing his viewing last night if he plans on revealing it after the lynch. To me it just looks like him trying to look coy about his results when there's no point.

 

My vote stays for now. I think J-TAG has been in flail mode this past day and is now desperation claiming cop to fish out the real one. Scum is on the ropes now, no reason to let them up

Guess you knew differently,didn't you?

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  On 4/4/2014 at 2:29 AM, Hallia said:

30 pages in, what I've noticed so far:

 

 

  On 3/29/2014 at 12:52 PM, Thane Vakarian said:

## unvote Evil Siblings.

 

Time for the more serious scumhunting.

I'll be watching team WiFum and Yolo... one of you is scum, but i haven't figured out which one.... tending more towards WiFum for the moment.

Need to see more of teams HaXorz, J-Tag and CRUNK to make up my mind about them... neutral for the moment.

i get a scummy vibe off of Release The Leno.... 

will be reading and re-reading this weekend, little short on time past 24 hours.

I don't want to say it, because I've had a town read on Yolo, but a lot of times as scum  I know they'll pick a partner and someone they're bickering with and say they think one of them is mafia, and then list their partner as the townier of the two.

  On 3/29/2014 at 6:20 PM, amegakure said:

i think lily might be on to something with swaghags and wifum being towny violence. Unfortunately turin and des will fall into their old ways again distract from actual scum hunting.

 

on the other hang #Vote RTE Nudges are bad kids. That goes to you as well thane. You being a bit new and all if your gonna call out have the players for being scum take a stance and vote one. how else do you expect to scumhunt. 

Amega voting RTE makes me feel a little better about him, actually.

 

 

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And then the above happened.  He made a super long post, and ended it with mention of 'easy' votes, and votes for the SS.

 

  On 3/31/2014 at 12:36 AM, Andrej said:

 

 

I don't find Amega/Thane overly scummy for any reason. Thane's post read more newbish to me, and I doubt he would be so freely joking around on thread if he had an internalized guilt. I actually liked Amega's post early on where he is pointing out Turin's instant scumread on Verbothera, which we can all expect as mandatory at this point.

 

Think Hallia's vote on Straw Hats was a bit scummy.

Clarthe is looking worse to me.

 

 

 

But this.  Oh this. 

 

##Unvote, ## Vote AJ

This vote looks flat out awful right now. It pushes J-TAG to the lead and is made in the middle of a "catch up". There is distancing to Despo, mild support for the dead mafioso. Topped off with the vote that allowed the cop to get executed.

 

 

The unvote is there to make it look like she had a vote placed already(didn't iirc)

 

 

Hallia, are you trying to imply that you still thought it was D1?  

Posted
  On 4/4/2014 at 5:28 AM, Lenlo said:

Some scum role insta pushed that lynch thats for certain, damn.

 

 

  On 4/4/2014 at 2:12 PM, Lenlo said:

What sucks about him getting executed like this is we never got to know who he viewed N1 either so no clearing there. :/

 

This is your second post where you go all "oh noes our Cop got executed!!". Guilty consciousness much?

 

  On 4/4/2014 at 3:48 AM, Lenlo said:

So heres what im feeling. The claim makes me say your town AJ, ofc, but I also dont think Des/Verb is scum and without a for sure viewing on him to convince me otherwise I dont want to vote them. For your list id rather vote Clarthe or SS ((Of the two I feel the worst about Clarthe. Still.)).

 

You don't mention PFG in this post while you had your vote on them during the entire time. I also don't like how you accepted J-TAG's Cop claim at face value while still having your vote on PFG. J-TAG was convinced that they were town so why didn't you consider them to be town as well? Your town read on YoloHashSwag also doesn't add up to your scum read on PFG and your town read on J-TAG.

Posted
  On 4/4/2014 at 2:32 AM, Despothera said:

Turin for scum MVP

 

Or town LVP

 

W/e you wanna call it

 

Hallia for town MVH (Most Valuable Hobbit)

 

:tongue:

Look who cheers when AJ gets pushed over half way.

 

 

My bad on the no vote hallia. I still don't understand placing that vote before you were caught up. There was over 2 days to deadline I believe.

 

Fair enough it was before claiming.

 

Also agree that AJ should have given his view result. Nothing to be lost from it at that point.

Posted
  On 4/4/2014 at 3:09 PM, _CLOUD said:

 

  On 4/4/2014 at 5:28 AM, Lenlo said:

Some scum role insta pushed that lynch thats for certain, damn.

 

 

  On 4/4/2014 at 2:12 PM, Lenlo said:

What sucks about him getting executed like this is we never got to know who he viewed N1 either so no clearing there. :/

 

This is your second post where you go all "oh noes our Cop got executed!!". Guilty consciousness much?

 

  On 4/4/2014 at 3:48 AM, Lenlo said:

So heres what im feeling. The claim makes me say your town AJ, ofc, but I also dont think Des/Verb is scum and without a for sure viewing on him to convince me otherwise I dont want to vote them. For your list id rather vote Clarthe or SS ((Of the two I feel the worst about Clarthe. Still.)).

 

You don't mention PFG in this post while you had your vote on them during the entire time. I also don't like how you accepted J-TAG's Cop claim at face value while still having your vote on PFG. J-TAG was convinced that they were town so why didn't you consider them to be town as well? Your town read on YoloHashSwag also doesn't add up to your scum read on PFG and your town read on J-TAG.

 

1) No I just wanted to state it.

2) RTE voted them, not me. I trust my partner though cause before this claim I wanted to vote TG/AJ.

3) Yes I did. Cause it was a cop claim. I had no reason not to believe it. And if it wasnt true then the real cop could easily have come tomorrow and claimed. If he was scum he was caught guarnteed either today or tomorrow so I chose to believe him.

4) Im not the one with the scum read on PFG, that was RTE. I also didnt have a town read on J-TAG until the revealed as cop.

5) Until the cop says they viewed someone and that they are town everyone is suspect and even then its they could still be. the cop scumhunts just like the rest of us meaning they can be wrong. Their read of PFG should in no way influence RTE's just because they are the cop.

 

Ask better questions.

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So this caught my eye and it took me a bit, but I realized that early in this post Cory makes the claim that Clarthe's vote was #3 on Straw Hat's train, yet they were #1.  It seems like a pretty obvious mistake, but he goes on to make a case on Clarthe as town due to "Strawspewing" and the mispost of that train.

 

 

Cory then goes on to FOS the Sexy Sisters

 

defends Hallia

 

defends AJ

 

goes out of his way to cleave a link between Clarthe and JTAG 

Posted

I thought so immediately after Straw Hats flipped, definitely posted that ES, Crunk, and SH were a scum team.

 

I'm going to withhold judgement until I completely catch up - given that my last concrete read was before Evil Siblings were NKed.

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Posted
  On 4/4/2014 at 3:17 PM, Turin Turambar said:

 

  On 4/4/2014 at 3:15 PM, corycurren said:

Pretty obvious who they viewed

 

Come @ me scumzos

Despo, he has issued you a challenge.

 

 

Dude, you should just stop posting.  I already explained what the go-forward situation should be.  Even if you think we are scum, I'm proposing that we'll need to be lynched.  Holy crap you're making yourself look bad.

 

Chillax, and you'll get to see us swing sooner rather than later.  Keep pushing like somebody who isn't paying attention, and you'll end up accidentally defending us.

Posted

The T-Tag Forced Lynch Timeline - all times are in BST (British Summer Time)

 

3.31 Last normal vote count

 

Posted Today, 03:31 AM

Votecount 2.07

 

J-TAG (4) - Sexy Sisters, Clarthe, YoloHashSwag, HaXorz

PFG (2) - CRUNK, RTL

YoloHashSWag (3) - PFG, J-TAG, WiFuM

 

Not voting: Spliffanity

 

With 10 alive it takes 6 to lynch.

 

4.42am - J-Tag claims cop

 

4.48 - Len says he believes

 

5.15 - Despo says he doesn't believe and keeps his vote on them leaving them at 4 (which is over half the amount required to lynch)

 

5.59 - Des says he will unvote if AJ says who he voted. *So did you believe the Role here - you're asking for his read? Why not unvote - ask for his read - and if he messes about put your vote back on? This wasn't some secondary level role claim after all*

 

6.09 - Darthe asks if wanted to reveal or shall he assume is fake claim

 

6.18 - Request to force the lynch actioned by Mod

 

Posted Today, 06:18 AM

Votecount 2.08

 

J-TAG (4) - Sexy Sisters, Clarthe, YoloHashSwag, HaXorz

PFG (2) - CRUNK, RTL

YoloHashSWag (3) - PFG, J-TAG, WiFuM

 

Not voting: Spliffanity

 

With 10 alive it takes 6 to lynch.

 

Deadline-D2

 

6.19 Darthe posts a list of reads

 

6.19 Darthe posts 'expletives' and seems to have been ninja'd by the forced lynch

 

6.22 Despo goes 'oh noes - how did that happen?

 

6.22 Csarmi posts scene and confirms J-Tag as Town Cop

 

6.24 Despo says - there must have been a role that got the person with a highest number of votes - but he can't remember what it's called.

 

6.25 Despo says Wow - lol

 

6.28 Len says a scum role must have insta pushed the lynch - damn

 

6.35 Darthe says the role is called an executor (i think that's the person who ensures a will is handled correctly) and would like to see how that affects people's thoughts on PFG

 

6.37 Despo says ninja'd for role name by darthe because he had to go look up the spider country game to find it out. But then posts this link which is actually to the mafiascum wiki: http://wiki.mafiascum.net/index.php?title=Executioner

 

Which says 'The Executioner is a role designed to stop mass roleclaiming. Working similar to a vigilante, the executioner is able to kill a person who has acquired half-the required lynch votes on a given day. Typically speaking, this ends the day and begins the night phase.'

 

6.40 Despo says is awful we lost cop. He thinks is just a single shot and we shouldn't worry about it anymore. he's going to see if he can find who was viewed but then decides not to because it would out them to the mafia.

 

And then theres a few posts about another game where someone did something bad to someone and they're still maybe annoyed about it - with Darthe, Despo and Len posting.

 

next person to pop up is Pral at 9.56.

 

so

 

If we theorise that the mafia team wouldn't have wasted their Executioner action on someome they thought they could get lynched - until he claimed Cop and made it worthwhile ...

 

1. The person who sent in that action had to be active at around the time J-Tag announced his claim

 

2. They had to ensure there were at least 4 votes on J-Tag for the execution to go through

 

3. Darthe got the name of the role wrong and Despo said he couldn't remember it. I find this hard to believe - as they both very experienced. Darthe is like a perma-mod I think these days.

 

4. Despo said he was delayed in finding the name of the role because he had to go find it in Spider Country - but then posts a link to the Mafiascum wiki

 

5. Len pops up every now and then and says not very much apart for hey - the mafia must have done that.

 

6. No one seems to be really that bothered. The nonchalance level is high.

 

7. No-one says - bloody hell Despo, if only you'd unvoted he would have been at 3 votes and they wouldn't have been able to do this.

 

8. None of you called out the other two and said 'hey! - ok ... which one of you guys did this?' You were all standing around when the body fell - but you didn't suspect any of the other 'last people to see the victim alive?

 

9. Darthe moves straight onto next person to look at

 

10. Despo says he thinks was a one off and we shouldn't worry about it anymore

 

Three people ... all perfectly placed to have done the deed, but whodunnit?

 

Was it Despo in the garage with a bass?

Was it Darthe in the library with a heavy leather bound mystery novel?

Or was it Len in the land of pink unicorns with a knife?

 

round and round and round they go ...

Posted
  On 4/2/2014 at 8:51 PM, Andrej said:

 

  On 3/31/2014 at 8:04 AM, Despothera said:

Alright so first let me say well done, people. Outstanding activity lately, and this game is a literal goldmine for anyone looking for connections. Additionally, this hydra thing is kinda neat because at times I've seen a Hydra head come in to damage control after their other head flubbed or something, and this is a different situation than most are used to. So you get to see some things you might not see otherwise.

 

Just gonna pump a SOC out first since there's quite a lot I caught up on, and will then knock out a WOT after. Might do a whole reread in fact.

 

So Strawhats claim Tracker. Boy oh boy there's a lot that looks weird about how his claim came out. A couple have pointed out the oddness in Jack voting then unvoting, how it looks staged. Well add to that that Amega tried looking all righteous about not claiming at L-2, yet acts all scrambly and goes "Oh noes! Don't lynch the Tracker!" when he gets one more vote from Jack. What was he expecting? That instant flip in his tone and manner just does NOT mesh with a townie mindset. If Amega was gonna act all cool for school and not claim at L-2, I don't see him getting all panicky with his claim at L-1. Moar like "W/e guys, I'm the Tracker" would be expected.

 

There's actually a lot of other irregularities and pings from them (like Amega's recent reread posts are crap), but I for one would rather set them aside as practically confirmed scum and lynch elsewhere. I'll point out some of the other stuff in my wot.

 

Let's see what else... oh yeah IThuirlliiann is #LOCK CLEAR, whether they want to be or not hehe. Seriously, I just love having a mafia rival, because the best case scenario is that both me and Turin are town, and then scum see us going @ one another and are all "Lol, Turin and Des are tunneling on each other again, yay for us!" and then can't help but nudging the action on, or say that one of us seems like scum but not sure which (in an attempt to keep town distracted and set up mislynches). Seriously such a great way to fish for scum while reaction testing Turin at the same time.

 

##Unvote WiFuM

 

Clarthe aint LOCK CLEAR btw. Threw that out as a reaction test, and both failed. Also wanna point out how funny it is that Ithi calls Cloud out for not saying scum enough, then when he starts going "scum scum scum" in his next post she pats him on the head instead of fos'ing him for it. LAWLZ. I'll go more into that later.

 

So I thought RTL might be a good place for scum to be hiding, since they seemed to nudge a bit early on, and plus RTE threw out a big post that tried being good... but wasn't. The reads post I mean. Was bad. Rull bad. However, like the theme of this game apparently, Lenlo came in to damage control and posted a VURRRY townie-looking catchup post. They're looking town now to me. Gj Lenlofinger.

 

J-TAG stinks to me. TG doesn't have much content yet what little he has isn't good at all, and he's usually pretty vocal as town. AJ is a mess. Normally I find that when he's town he thinks very similarly to how I think as town, catches some of the same stuff and has the same opinion on stuff. This game that's not happening at all. I find myself disagreeing with almost everything he says. As far as his vote on me, it's turrrrrrrrible. It's literally one of the weakest pushes in the game, yet he acts like he has very strong scum reads.... If that's the case why isn't he pushing his case on us harder? Why isn't he quoting us or pressuring us himself? Nope, his vote was little more than a snipe vote when he first placed it and he has left his vote parked there even tho Verbal and I haven't been active and there's a LOT of other stuff going on. Then you get his whole defense of Strawhats... yeesh. Steerrong scum read on J-TAG.

 

Lastly I wanna talk about the Evil Sibs. First I wanna say I am actually somewhat tempted to policy lynch them for not reading wots. Thing is, I understand the whole personal preference thing. But that only makes sense for why they themselves wouldn't post wot's, it doesn't explain why they wouldn't read them. Any answer for why they don't read them besides pure laziness is just wrong. When someone gives you a wot to peruse, they're giving you more chances to catch them possibly if they're scum. You can catch little inconsistencies here or there, or note where their reaction to something major is muted and buried between other fluff in a wot or something. Straight up not reading wot's is just antitown behavior, period. If you're not gonna read posts because they're too long than you're essentially saying you don't care that much to try and find scum. Moreover look at both of their reactions after others reacted to them not reading wots. Jack skims the wot and links Lenlo to me and Verb, and this is almost all that he gathers, that Lenlo is apparently defending us a lot. This blatantly ignores the fact that Lenlo called Turin and Ithi town as much or perhaps even more than he called me and Verb town. Selectively picking stuff out of a wot to try and fos someone for is a blatantly scummy move.

 

Lily otoh, says she doesn't read wots. Okay. Then Turin asks both Lily and Jack to see if Lenlo's reasoning makes sense, which is essentially just imploring them to read the post. Lily reacts extremely defensively, saying "How would I know if his reasoning is bad if I didn't read his post?" which is just a bizarre reaction, and not one I see any townie having really. Even someone that's lazy and doesn't wanna read will prob go "Bleh, fine I'll go read it and tell you what I think" or mebbe if they're feeling obstinate might say "Nope, not reading it" but to get defensive like Lily did? Nuh uh. I also thought Ithi had a good catch much earlier with the part about Lily saying she thought something was going on between us (us being WiFuM and YOLOHASHSWAG) which I agree, DOES imply collusion. Lily pretty much just tried retreating as fast as she could from that whole discussion. Incidentally, her original "Something looks like it's going on between them, not sure which is scum" is EXACTLY the kind of post I was referring to before, when scum are happy to nudge me and Turin @ one another more.

 

Lastly Lily has had some strange flip flops. I distinctly remember her way earlier in the thread defending Strawhats, yet she then starts saying they're scummy and even says she'd be willing to vote them while they are at L-2 because Amega had already had a chance to talk. So first of all what she was proposing would have been antitown, it would have been a semirushed lynch when there's still time on the clock to milk for this day. Second, why talk all tough? Why not just place the vote instead? It's because she was trying to build up the appearance that she def wanted them lynched. Looks like distancing to me. Another flip flop I noticed was that Lily earlier said she thought YOLOHASHSWAG seemed like scum, yet even tho Verb and I hadn't posted in a while, recently when commenting on Lenlo's reads she says she disagrees with his read on WiFuM and thinks they're scum. She doesn't comment on the town read Lenlo had on us. Wonder why that is...... oh yeah cause Lily is scum and can't keep her "reads" in order lol.

 

Okay, my consciousness is streamed out. Gonna shake twice and zip up my noggin before going back through to peruse everything. Ttfn!

 

:biggrin:

 

  On 3/31/2014 at 2:58 PM, Despothera said:

Conclusion: Purdy strong scumreads on Strawhats, Evil Siblings, and J-TAG.

 

Town reads on WiFuM, RTL, Sexy Sistahs, HaXorZ.

 

Juries still out on Clarthe, Spliffanity, PFG, and Crunk. Prob feel best about PFG and Clarthe out of that crew, but meh.

 

I'm thinking now that we got a claim out of Thane/Amega, we set him aside since he's tied to the claim anyways. His days are numbered if he's scum, which I still think he is.

 

Since we still got a lot of time, Imma go with ##Vote Evil Sibs.

 

These posts appear very good at face value. Very good.

 

The timing of these bother me though, as at the time SH had made their claim and now Despo swoops in to start the new wagon on ES. Saying that we can 'set aside' the others as more or less confirmed scum and lynch else where.

 

Sounds similar to a tactic I tried pulling once where I wanted to leave my Cop-outted teammate alive for another Day so town could lynch from a smaller suspect pool.

 

Didn't work out lol :tongue: Point remains though, I get the vibe here after reading over them again that Despo was trying to use some weight to turn the tides a bit.

 

 

 

The only thing that gives me real hesitance is his read on me and TG. It sounds pretty genuine, and I do find that a town!Des and myself meld pretty well in games. Haven't really felt that here all game, which troubles me.

 

 

So check out the bold and underlined in Des' second post and compare to:

 

 

  On 4/1/2014 at 1:44 PM, corycurren said:

 

  On 4/1/2014 at 1:17 PM, _CLOUD said:

Why are the Straw Hats still alive? The dudes are obvscum.

I'm okay with giving them a phase despite Thane's early play. If Amega is lying he will not be able to lie for long.

 

 

Who conveniently also wanted a ES lynch.

Posted
  On 4/4/2014 at 2:33 PM, _CLOUD said:

Hallia voted for J-TAG before they revealed to be the Cop.

OMG you dobber!!

 

Yes Hallia pushed it up to 4 votes @ 3.29 ... but Despo could have unvoted it back down to 3. Why didn't you mention that?

 

 

Darthe and Despo both question Turin's logic in changing our vote from J-Tag to YOLO - in their own special ways.

Posted
  On 4/4/2014 at 3:09 PM, _CLOUD said:

 

  On 4/4/2014 at 5:28 AM, Lenlo said:

Some scum role insta pushed that lynch thats for certain, damn.

 

 

  On 4/4/2014 at 2:12 PM, Lenlo said:

What sucks about him getting executed like this is we never got to know who he viewed N1 either so no clearing there. :/

 

This is your second post where you go all "oh noes our Cop got executed!!". Guilty consciousness much?

 

  On 4/4/2014 at 3:48 AM, Lenlo said:

So heres what im feeling. The claim makes me say your town AJ, ofc, but I also dont think Des/Verb is scum and without a for sure viewing on him to convince me otherwise I dont want to vote them. For your list id rather vote Clarthe or SS ((Of the two I feel the worst about Clarthe. Still.)).

 

You don't mention PFG in this post while you had your vote on them during the entire time. I also don't like how you accepted J-TAG's Cop claim at face value while still having your vote on PFG. J-TAG was convinced that they were town so why didn't you consider them to be town as well? Your town read on YoloHashSwag also doesn't add up to your scum read on PFG and your town read on J-TAG.

 

@ Cloud ... Do you think Len sent in the action to force the Lynch?

 

Who do you think was Mafia on J-Tag's actual lynch train?

 

I think we should start with Clarthe btw.

Posted
  On 4/4/2014 at 5:40 PM, Verbal32 said:

 

  On 4/4/2014 at 3:17 PM, Turin Turambar said:

 

  On 4/4/2014 at 3:15 PM, corycurren said:

Pretty obvious who they viewed

 

Come @ me scumzos

Despo, he has issued you a challenge.

 

 

Dude, you should just stop posting.  I already explained what the go-forward situation should be.  Even if you think we are scum, I'm proposing that we'll need to be lynched.  Holy crap you're making yourself look bad.

 

Chillax, and you'll get to see us swing sooner rather than later.  Keep pushing like somebody who isn't paying attention, and you'll end up accidentally defending us.

 

Classy.

 

We love you too.

Posted
  On 4/4/2014 at 1:07 PM, Verbal32 said:

This post makes me almost certain you are scum.  You know that after J-Tag, you guys are our top pick for scum, and this is your way of clearing your name for our eventual flip as town.

 

That sounds like confirmation bias, Verbal. At that point, no matter what I said, you would have used that to misrep as scummy. What you are suggesting is a short term band-aid, which makes it seem like an over-reaching point.  

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