[Advanced/Experimental] Mass Effect I - Hydra Game - Game Over

[Turin Turambar]

My first reaction is to not buy the claim.

 

He's acting like its guaranteed now that he won't be lynched (I'll reveal my viewing once night starts). He put in some bizarre stuff about them playing stuff close to the chest that looked forced to me. And he puts out another reads list along with his claim... that seems forced as well.

 

I also don't get what the point is of not revealing his viewing last night if he plans on revealing it after the lynch. To me it just looks like him trying to look coy about his results when there's no point.

 

My vote stays for now. I think J-TAG has been in flail mode this past day and is now desperation claiming cop to fish out the real one. Scum is on the ropes now, no reason to let them up

Guess you knew differently,didn't you?

[Turin Turambar]

30 pages in, what I've noticed so far:

 

 

## unvote Evil Siblings.

 

Time for the more serious scumhunting.

I'll be watching team WiFum and Yolo... one of you is scum, but i haven't figured out which one.... tending more towards WiFum for the moment.

Need to see more of teams HaXorz, J-Tag and CRUNK to make up my mind about them... neutral for the moment.

i get a scummy vibe off of Release The Leno.... 

will be reading and re-reading this weekend, little short on time past 24 hours.

I don't want to say it, because I've had a town read on Yolo, but a lot of times as scum  I know they'll pick a partner and someone they're bickering with and say they think one of them is mafia, and then list their partner as the townier of the two.

i think lily might be on to something with swaghags and wifum being towny violence. Unfortunately turin and des will fall into their old ways again distract from actual scum hunting.

 

on the other hang #Vote RTE Nudges are bad kids. That goes to you as well thane. You being a bit new and all if your gonna call out have the players for being scum take a stance and vote one. how else do you expect to scumhunt. 

Amega voting RTE makes me feel a little better about him, actually.

 

 

 

Ok so I went through the thread twice thinking there were more read lists, but only 2. Let's see what we have here.

 

Personal thoughts so far:

 

WiFuM (Ithi, Turin) and YoloHashSwag (Despo, Verbal): had the feeling something was going on between the two of them. Their little struggle ceased (for the moment) and now there's interaction between WiFum and Evil Siblings. Most active hydra around, questioning, probing, getting information.

 

YoloHashSwag (Despo, Verbal) expect to see more when the weekend is done. Interesting posts to read.

J-TAG (AJ, TG): not enough to form an opinion, null read.

PFG (Pralaya, BFG): Not a huge amount of posts, but the ones i read seem to be well thought of.

Release the Leno (RTE, Lenlo) lots of fun and games, but i'd like to have some real input for once. Backing Amega in the vote against them

Sexy Sisters (Tina, Leelou) Uncommented votes, absence? Not feeling too great about them. Waiting for a train to pass and jump on?

CRUNK (Monk, CoryCurren) not around, and if, then unserious posting, lurking in the shadows? Didn't have a good explanation from them on their vote. Might as well be waiting on the same train.

Spliffanity (Krak, Dap) not around enough to form an opinion, null read

Clarthe (Cloud, Darthe) Little drama in the beginning of the game, then things calmed down. Maybe also because of the weekend.

Evil Siblings (Lily, Jack) Had a little thing going on between them and myself. Gett he feeling it was more probing and questioning than anything else. Questioning, after all, is good.

 

Straw Hats (Amega, Thane) I'm not going to comment on my own hydra. Yes, you are. NO, i'm NOT! *drowns inner voices in belgian beer*

HaXorz (Hally, Xthrax) going for an easy lynch when voting against us i think.

 

So basically, Straw Hats think:

 

Town:

StawHats

PFG

 

Scum:

RTL

 

HaXorz

Null:

JTAG

Spliffanity

 

This is it. The rest are basically null reads as well, or he refrains from making any firm alignment-based comments on.

 

Random thoughts on teams so far...

 

#swag:(verb/Des); verb reacted a bit much to my vote being the second on him. he was even kinda snippy at the MOD about the voting rules there. trying to flip it back on me is bogus. Despo has been talking a bunch of mess so far so without anything to aleviate the bad I am putting them in the mafia stack.

 

J-TAG(AJ/TG): been fairly quiet in a loud way. hope they bring some actual content soon.

 

PFG (Pral/BFG): All Fluff. Expect more soon. 

 

RTL (RTE/Lenlo): Lenlo being very mormal jokey self. RTE comments are a little pingy. starting with the game spec just before day started and ending with his reactions to Ithi questioning his nudge. Ithi thinks is likely mafia so I can agree, even if I rather vote Verb/Des ATM

 

SS (Tina/Leelou) : the vote back and forth between #swag and clarthe was odd. As is the fact that Leelou basically is not giving any reasons for her votes. People that don't want to give reasons have a reason for that. It makes it easier to backtrack from a position that was never really stated. Her defense of Verb/Des was completely for non-game reasons "they are so cute". It is basically a non-reason which seems to be a trend. Leaning mafia here ATM.

 

Crunk (Cory/Monk): Cory is following his #alliance theme that he used as 3rd party in the star wars game. Basically having given his vote to his buddies V/D. Bad look to me. Monk has been quiet for the most part only really engaging in saying hello to Lily that I recall. I expect more from someone calling themselves GOAT.(maybe it is in lurking)

 

Spliffanity (Krak/Dap): Don't really remember very much about them except they picked the wrong name, LOL. Oh, they were in the cloud pile on too. Did they vote Clarthe?

 

Clarthe (Darthe/CLoud): Darhte says Lily is mafia in his first post, never votes her. Also says verb is obvtown. rubbish. Has overridden Cloud's #swag vote to vote RTL.   Cloud has caught a bunch of heat for asking for a reason from Leelou for her vote on them. Lots of people taking that opportunity to pile on him. Seems more an issue of why Leelou not want to explain her reason for voting. If is no reason or was for reaction then say so and let people judge it for what it is worth. I do find it ironic that CLoud chose to call me frantic when that is a word that most would be applying to him for the way he is about Leelou. Personally I didn't see it that way which makes it perhaps even more ironic.

 

Evil Sibs (Jack/Lily) placeholder vote of #11 by Jack after Lily telegraphed it during night. Lily had something odd but I will need to go back and check. Jack playing very much like I just saw him in the hunger games? game I think. He did nudge very professionally tho so I will defer to Ithi's judgement there. 

 

Straw Hats (Amega/Thane) Amega pre voted #swag during night but never followed up with it. In fact he asked me a question about wether I really think they are mafia or if I was just brash. (the answer is both, lol) the double nudge post from Thane has me thinking that they could well be mafia and on a team with verb/des. bears very much further watching.

 

HaXorz (Hallia/X) : Not enough to go on. maybe once X gets back and if Hallia does get more involved. 

 

Mafia to town

Verb/Des

Tina/Leelou

Amega/Thane

RTE/Lenlo

Cory/Monk

Krak/Dap

Jack/Lily

AJ/TG

CLoud/Darthe

Hallia/X

BFG/Pral

Ithi/Turin

 

Town:

Himself with Ithi

 

Scum:

 

#Swag

RTL

SS

StrawHats

 

Null:

 

The rest?

 

So I was hoping to see a pattern here (and thought there was at least a third reads list, but not much of one. These will be interesting if we get a flip on either team though. While Turin refrains from saying he thinks anyone is town outright, he does provide the scum to town list.

 

Of the two lists, I do find Thane's less informative and much more fence-sitting in the language he is using. Also says he doesn't want to speak for Amega in an attempt to not further elaborate? As of yet hasn't answered Ithi's request to rank teams based on scummyness. I would be interested to see his list as his reads seem indecisive. Turin has less town reads it seems but looks confident about his scum reads. Problem is a lot of people haven't made enough game-content posts to make much of them, so can't really make too much of the numerous null reads.

 

So now I'll try to make a reads list, hopefully better than some of my recent ones, although this game has been a bit all over the place and gameplay has been interrupted quite a bit more than usual IMO.

 

WiFuM (Ithi, Turin) - Very, very aggressive. Ithi is on her game while Turin is still on his "new meta". Seems he lets Ithi be Churchill the bulldog and he's more like.. France? Interesting dynamic between the two of them in terms of types of posting. Turin deferring to Ithi in some instances and if I had to guess she would be the one wearing the pants in this hydra. Ithi  playing her normal unforgiving game. Solid town read right now. Problem is if any team can have as solid a scum game as town game I would pick them with Despo/Verbal second. But right now I'm definitely going with Town.

 

YoloHashSwag (Despo, Verbal) - A bit quiet as of late, which between the two of them is very odd. Not really making a splash yet really, which I really find bizarre given the two of them. Weekend has killed most activity but these two are usually fairly more vocal and strong with their convictions. So far looks town to me but not very sure about them. Both of them will likely give us a lot more to work with come tomorrow.

 

J-TAG (AJ, TG) - AJ has been pretty quiet and TG, while relatively active, hasn't given much of substance. Null read here.

 

PFG (Pralaya, BFG) - BFG is much quieter this game than in a recent one. I'll attribute it to the weekend but if it doesn't change I'll look here. Pral is usually more in the fray of things too but again pretty absent. Going with a null read here thus far but this is a hydra to watch.

 

Release the Leno (RTE, Lenlo) - RTL are (is?) town.

 

Sexy Sisters (Tina, Leelou) - Feels like the ladies are buying time after some not so pretty play. I feel like the strategy here is "If we don't post long enough people will forget the things we did that look really scummy". Not fond of the voting then poofing. Scum lean on these two. Should expect a lot more from these two and so far they've been holding out. Their next posts will be very telling.

 

CRUNK (Monk, CoryCurren) - These two confuse the hell out of me personally. Haven't played with either of them and can't make much of their posts. Don't remember anything  meaningful about their game thus far. Their bark is much bigger than their bite right now and if they are as great as they claim to be they need to put their money where their mouths are. Null read.

 

Spliffanity (Krak, Dap) - Really oddly quiet given who these two people are. Come back to the light guys. Null. Really need to hear more from these  guys.

 

Clarthe (Cloud, Darthe) - I have trouble reading Cloud because Cloud plays a very reactive game. Caught a lot of flak for how he reacted to the vote against him but that is his usual attitude. That being said, he hasn't looked great since either. Darthe is Darthe. What you see is what you get. And that isn't much at all. Scum lean right now.

 

Evil Siblings (Lily, Jack) - Lily is another one I struggle with. She didn't react great to Ithi pressure but I wouldn't have reacted very differently to be honest. Not sure what to make of Jack. Supposed to be some mafia pro but haven't really seen it yet. If anything I think the interaction with Ithi and Turin makes Lily town. She was frustrated rather than angry, and that's understandable when you're town with Ithi breathing down your neck. I'm going with a town read.

 

Straw Hats (Amega, Thane) - Haven't liked Amega's play really thus far. Not a lot of content behind his posts or his votes. Thane has given us a lot more to work with. His list is a little less decisive than I would have liked but it's tough with activity being what it is the last couple of days. His somewhat exclusive town lean on

 

PFG is interesting. Something to bear in mind if we get a flip on either of them. Only other hydra other than their own they seemed to believe was town. Going with a null read right now.

 

HaXorz (Hally, Xthrax) - I trusted Hallia too much last game and won't make the same mistake. She has been playing as usual but I don't like the absences. I agree with Thane that her vote was a fairly easy one. Eager to have X back and see what he has to say. And for Hallia to get back in here.

 

Scum to Town

 

SS

Clarthe

#YOLO

Haxorz

J-Tag

PFG

Crunk

Spliffanity

Strawhats

EvilSiblings

WiFum

RTL

 

Latest Vote Count:

 

Vote Count - 1.04

 

With 12 alive, it takes 7 to lynch.

 

CRUNK (1) - YoloHashSwag

YoloHashSwag (3) - Clarthe, WiFuM, J-TAG

Clarthe (3) - Spliffanity, Sexy Sisters, Evil Siblings

Evil Siblings (1) - Straw Hats

J-TAG (1) - RTL

 

not voting : PFG, HaXorz, CRUNK

 

I feel like a lot of these votes here have still been rather "easy" votes. Which is a bit worrisome as we approach deadline. We still have time though and most importantly a lot more time for people to come in and give their reads and support their votes.

 

##Vote SexySisters

 

 

 

 

 

And then the above happened.  He made a super long post, and ended it with mention of 'easy' votes, and votes for the SS.

 

 

 

I don't find Amega/Thane overly scummy for any reason. Thane's post read more newbish to me, and I doubt he would be so freely joking around on thread if he had an internalized guilt. I actually liked Amega's post early on where he is pointing out Turin's instant scumread on Verbothera, which we can all expect as mandatory at this point.

 

Think Hallia's vote on Straw Hats was a bit scummy.

Clarthe is looking worse to me.

 

 

 

But this.  Oh this. 

 

##Unvote, ## Vote AJ

This vote looks flat out awful right now. It pushes J-TAG to the lead and is made in the middle of a "catch up". There is distancing to Despo, mild support for the dead mafioso. Topped off with the vote that allowed the cop to get executed.

 

 

The unvote is there to make it look like she had a vote placed already(didn't iirc)

 

 

Hallia, are you trying to imply that you still thought it was D1?  

[_CLOUD]

Hallia voted for J-TAG before they revealed to be the Cop.

[Hallia]

^ and I was voting rtl, anything else?

[_CLOUD]

Some scum role insta pushed that lynch thats for certain, damn.

 

 

What sucks about him getting executed like this is we never got to know who he viewed N1 either so no clearing there. :/

 

This is your second post where you go all "oh noes our Cop got executed!!". Guilty consciousness much?

 

So heres what im feeling. The claim makes me say your town AJ, ofc, but I also dont think Des/Verb is scum and without a for sure viewing on him to convince me otherwise I dont want to vote them. For your list id rather vote Clarthe or SS ((Of the two I feel the worst about Clarthe. Still.)).

 

You don't mention PFG in this post while you had your vote on them during the entire time. I also don't like how you accepted J-TAG's Cop claim at face value while still having your vote on PFG. J-TAG was convinced that they were town so why didn't you consider them to be town as well? Your town read on YoloHashSwag also doesn't add up to your scum read on PFG and your town read on J-TAG.

[Turin Turambar]

Turin for scum MVP

 

Or town LVP

 

W/e you wanna call it

 

Hallia for town MVH (Most Valuable Hobbit)

 

Look who cheers when AJ gets pushed over half way.

 

 

My bad on the no vote hallia. I still don't understand placing that vote before you were caught up. There was over 2 days to deadline I believe.

 

Fair enough it was before claiming.

 

Also agree that AJ should have given his view result. Nothing to be lost from it at that point.

[Lenlo]

 

Some scum role insta pushed that lynch thats for certain, damn.

 

 

What sucks about him getting executed like this is we never got to know who he viewed N1 either so no clearing there. :/

 

This is your second post where you go all "oh noes our Cop got executed!!". Guilty consciousness much?

 

So heres what im feeling. The claim makes me say your town AJ, ofc, but I also dont think Des/Verb is scum and without a for sure viewing on him to convince me otherwise I dont want to vote them. For your list id rather vote Clarthe or SS ((Of the two I feel the worst about Clarthe. Still.)).

 

You don't mention PFG in this post while you had your vote on them during the entire time. I also don't like how you accepted J-TAG's Cop claim at face value while still having your vote on PFG. J-TAG was convinced that they were town so why didn't you consider them to be town as well? Your town read on YoloHashSwag also doesn't add up to your scum read on PFG and your town read on J-TAG.

 

1) No I just wanted to state it.

2) RTE voted them, not me. I trust my partner though cause before this claim I wanted to vote TG/AJ.

3) Yes I did. Cause it was a cop claim. I had no reason not to believe it. And if it wasnt true then the real cop could easily have come tomorrow and claimed. If he was scum he was caught guarnteed either today or tomorrow so I chose to believe him.

4) Im not the one with the scum read on PFG, that was RTE. I also didnt have a town read on J-TAG until the revealed as cop.

5) Until the cop says they viewed someone and that they are town everyone is suspect and even then its they could still be. the cop scumhunts just like the rest of us meaning they can be wrong. Their read of PFG should in no way influence RTE's just because they are the cop.

 

Ask better questions.

[Cory Caboose]

Pretty obvious who they viewed

 

Come @ me scumzos

[Turin Turambar]

Pretty obvious who they viewed

 

Come @ me scumzos

Despo, he has issued you a challenge.

[Cory Caboose]

I'm getting murdered at work

 

I will solve game wknd with Tompowa, but he's working too

 

Life is hard

[Krakalakachkn]

 

 

22-30 things get more interesting

 

*sigh* ok, i'll walk to my own cupboard then and steal my wife's chocolate. If i'm in trouble for that, i blame you Ithi...

 

 

Indeed, seeing we get voted as one, we should try to vote as one as well. Or maybe i'm just plain crazy to think like that....

 

 

*says Easy lynch, one more time...*

 

Turin, do you agree with me that Hallia/X are very, very likely town considering the way Thane spoke of them?

I honestly think there's nothing in the world more valuable to town than an inexperienced Mafioso getting lynched early - they say way more than they should and slip in subtle ways. I think Thane thoroughly spewed Hallia as town simply by saying something as innocuous ATM as "she is going for an easy lynch" - what do you think?

 

 

 

but.. i want chocolate...
 
And, true, i am indeed cautious. Personally, i'd like to discuss what Amega thinks to see if we're on the same line before giving out numbers and reads.

But these are YOUR thoughts and feelings.

Why would you need them checking?

You want to make sure all the numbers add up?

 

 

 

this would be a lot easier without the hydra thing....

 

*gets the feeling he is being trapped into making classic n00b mistakes*

 

oh.. and.. are you going to make a meme for everything?

 

 

Thane Vakarian is a sorry man, fights only to lose

Sells a thimble, quick and nimble, Chaelca turns him to booze

Thane oh Thane, his own hydras bane, found himself stuck to the roots

fell into Ithillians trap and now is left to this ruse

 

##Vote Thane

 

 

Darthe is hard to read. If Straw Hats were to start being bussed, it would be around vote ~4, and this was vote 3 on the train. Darthe may be being earnest here, but I can't say for certain. I might dream about this post - I will hope for divine intervention

 

Leelou has problem getting on. Her internet isn´t working all the time. 

 

We had a short talk earlier. Our reads doesn´t match very good. Leelou´s vote on Wifom was based on Des´s case since she agreed with him. 

 

I´m very unsure about Wifum. Turin´s "case" on Verbal was very Des like. Taking anything and making up a case around it. And then never letting it go. It´s clear that Ithi and Turin misunderstood Lily but if it was on purpose or not I don´t know. That is the scummy parts. At the same time, Ithi is behaving like town Ithi. Not that I remember playing with mafia Ithi in a very long time but this is how she played in Darthe´s game. I thought that she might on to something with Straw Hats and Evil Siblings but... so yeh, can´t say town or mafia. 

 

I´m not fond of Straw Hat´s game. In short - following others, ,fencesitting, the Hally/Lily mix up. 

 

Actually, I find this hydra thing very hard. Not just because Leelou and I have different reads and that we haven´t been able to communicate much due to internet problems, but also because I can get different feelings from the different hydra heads. 

 

For now. 

 

 

## Vote Straw Hats

 

 

I´ll see what Leelou has to say when she gets back on. She is clearly the better player so I rely on her reads. 

 

Vote four, potential bus vote. Dislike the notion that Tina wants to leave up to Lee because she's "clearly the better player" - looks more of an excuse to back out. Scum seemed to have a plan to get SH out of this mess with a roleclaim, have to begin wondering when it was set in motion.

 

 

 

Vote Count - 1.10

With 12 alive, it takes 7 to lynch.
 
YoloHashSwag (1) - J-TAG
Clarthe (1) - Spliffanity
Straw Hats (4) - Clarthe, HaXorz, WIFUM, SexySisters
WiFuM (2) - YoloHashSwag, CRUNK
HaXorz (1) - Evil Siblings
RTL (1) - Straw Hats
Sexy Sisters (2) - PFG, RTL
 
not voting : -

Deadline: Deadline-D1

 

 

We're at four, so this is now a real train. HaXorz and WIFUM in particular look good on this train.

 

RTE's post was very fence sitting. I'll let Jack explain any thoughts he might want to share, but we both think RTE is scummy.

 

##voteRTL

 

Potential attempt to disrail train from ES, targetted at RTE.

 

ithi is wrong. I make silly mistakes in almost every game that make me look like scum. The fact that you have no way of knowing my mafia meta since i havent been mafia since my dm return is troubling. Also camping on the thread over the weekend while my life keeps me occupied isnt exactly scum hunting. I reply to question when i have the time and or sobriety.. 

 

Also whats wrong with thane asking my opinion. didnt you just try to call us out for having differing opinions on teams. It's a never ending battle with you guys

 

des/verb seem distant not much swag coming from that direction but got a town lean.

 

Ithi/turin. Are aggravating but also more of the most active players.

 

Jack/lily havent seen much from these guys besides a response to wifum. seems like there isnt much conviction there. 

 

Clarthe. watching the show from the sidelines. 

 

rte got a scum read on them. 

 

pfg...null havent seen much play

 

leelou. is null as well. 

 

Bolds again, similar players. The read on Leelou in particular is alarming, as Amega ignores Tina (Leelou "clearly being the better player" in Tina's words), who just voted Amega.

 

Could very well be one of those accidentally-ignore-a-scummate-trying-to-towncred blusters.

 

 

 

I hate the "Vote now and explain later/let someone else explain/I can't explain my change of vote/I want someone else to do it/don't ask me questions plz" attitude.
 
Still think her interaction with you looked town but this didn't.

You're not really making sense right now.

You went from Town to Mafia in an instant. Lily did that yesterday too. Neither sit well with me - but maybe you just being reactionary?

What do you honestly think about Jack and Lily? If you think they Town then they voting you for what they think are legit reasons, right?

What do you think about Thane and thingummy really? Why do you think they are going to get Lynched - but have a null read on them?

 

 

That was reactionary. I'm fine with saying my Day 1 reads can change, especially they little they are based on. Some are more solid than others but like any read interactions will change them. I don't know what to think about Jack really. I don't know how he usually plays, but it appears it might be with a chip on his shoulder. He still hasn't come in and done any explaining like Lily said he would. I really dislike overconfident players unless their play backs it up (basically almost only Ishy).

People need to be held accountable for votes without explanation, especially if they are town because that hurts us more. I think based on the interaction with you Lily looked town. Therefore to me that balances out to a town read. Not the strongest town read in the world but a town read. If they are town then they should not only share their reasons for voting but their read of the hydras as well.

 

Saying I thought strawhats would be lynched is your interpretation of what I wrote. Everyone in this game can be lynched. Therefore it is possible we will have a flip on anyone. I said the fact that I believe in their reads they only gave a town read to PFG is interesting and that if we knew their alignment their reads list (and this one specifically) would be informative. That's why reads are important. I don't need to explain that to you.

 

I'm going on an fMRI course this week so I wanted to contribute today when I had a bit more time to go through the thread than I will for this week. I will still be around and expect to be active and contributing nonetheless.

 

 

Man, this reaction looks awful. Incredible over-explanation of a simple idea, assessing and promising activity, etc. etc.

 

Rte. you and Strawhats, and Hallia's team are my 1, 2 and 3 for scum

I can back my play and I usually do. Like I said your apparent over knowledge of me seemed like a slip.


Ithi commented that I nudged expertly. That would of been the only comment and how good I'd be as scum.

I don't see the apparent need for us to repost a list of players and what they've done that we find scummy or not. It's cliche and it's been done a bunch already. When I have something new to add or something I think I've figured out ill say it. But as of right now. Lily and myself have voted and we've given the reason behind the votes.

Your reactionary squirming was very reaffirming to me.

However I will ask you.

Hallia's comment about town vs town. How'd that read to you? I've been emphatic as to what my opinion was. I'd like to hear yours.

 

StrawHats as a scumread, does not really follow up in any way, wants to pursue Hallia (who is voting StrawHats). Combats RTE to some extent. A little overly deliberate, nothing that rules out scum-scum pushing.

 

 

 

Confrontational Darthe is confrontational.

 

Still down for those dak pics? lol

 

I have a question for you Darthe. Could you explain your linking scenario a little more for me? You're voting Straw Hats, I believe... but also putting down RTE's reads post as a psy-scum tell.

 

Therefore you think Straw Hats is scum as well as RTL.

 

RTL is now voting Straw Hats.

 

Does this disrupt your scenario in any way?

 

How does me pointing out your statement towards RTE make me scum with Straw Hats (if they are scum) and RTL more likely to be town?

 

AJ/Darthe not scum-scum 

 

The Ithurin/Lilack back and forth is a bit tiring. Leaning town for WiFuM, judgement reserved for the Evil Sibs. I always read Jack as scum in the two games I've played with him, and he was town in both. Don't wanna repeat that Call of Cthulhu game lol

 

I think Len redeemed his slot a bit with that catch-up post.

 

I don't find Amega/Thane overly scummy for any reason. Thane's post read more newbish to me, and I doubt he would be so freely joking around on thread if he had an internalized guilt. I actually liked Amega's post early on where he is pointing out Turin's instant scumread on Verbothera, which we can all expect as mandatory at this point.

 

Think Hallia's vote on Straw Hats was a bit scummy.

 

Clarthe is looking worse to me.

 

Not too sure about Krap (Spliffanity). I think Dap invests a little too much on reactions. Some players are more reactionary than others, it doesn't make them bad. I don't find it weird or suspect that Cloud asked for specific reasons since Leelou had put her vote on them multiple times.

 

Don't like how the #Yoloboys have dropped off the face of the game. Despo's entrance and early game buddying to Cory/Monk was pretty gross. Definitely not good vibes from their sort, I think they'll make the best lynch of all today.

 

Sort of suspect of the SS girls. Someone pointed out earlier (Jack maybe?) that their little dispute about who to vote allows them to play both sides of the fence. Leelou has reason for not being active but Tina's sniping post earlier gives me bad juju. I'd like to see more from her when/if she catches up and posts again.

 

Pral's game entrance gave me bad juju as well but I like how he is pushing the SS girls. He is usually an outlier when it comes to voting as town I have noticed, so I retract the early scum read. Would like to see more from BFG though, if she is town it will soon be apparent.

 

 Overall a very solid post - if there's anyone defending Thane that I can follow, it's AJ. I had similar thoughts on some things and disagree heavily on others, but one of the few posts this game that actually shows some sort of mindset. 

 

 

what exactly is it about clarthe that bothers you. i dont have much of a history with him.. and the one game i did play he was just as mysterious as he is now. 

 

btw WIfum that was directed towards turin not ithi. since me not replying to ithi promptly was a scumtell for turin. surprise surpise. 

 

Oh yes. I never said anything about him not being about much. I wonder why he said that I did.

Not many people have been about much hence ---> le weekend, but I don't mind. I don't think I've ever called anyone out for inactivity cos you know - people all play different and that's cool.

It's even in my rules when I host the odd game.

Yup ... feel free to camp away. I'm not going to stop you.

 

 

Amega potentially townspewing Clarthe again here.

 

 

 

So this caught my eye and it took me a bit, but I realized that early in this post Cory makes the claim that Clarthe's vote was #3 on Straw Hat's train, yet they were #1.  It seems like a pretty obvious mistake, but he goes on to make a case on Clarthe as town due to "Strawspewing" and the mispost of that train.

 

 

Cory then goes on to FOS the Sexy Sisters

 

defends Hallia

 

defends AJ

 

goes out of his way to cleave a link between Clarthe and JTAG 

[Krakalakachkn]

Also, has HaXorz given out a list of reads at all?

[_CLOUD]

Krak do you think Cory is scum?

[Krakalakachkn]

I thought so immediately after Straw Hats flipped, definitely posted that ES, Crunk, and SH were a scum team.

 

I'm going to withhold judgement until I completely catch up - given that my last concrete read was before Evil Siblings were NKed.

[Verbal32]

 

Pretty obvious who they viewed

 

Come @ me scumzos

Despo, he has issued you a challenge.

 

 

Dude, you should just stop posting.  I already explained what the go-forward situation should be.  Even if you think we are scum, I'm proposing that we'll need to be lynched.  Holy crap you're making yourself look bad.

 

Chillax, and you'll get to see us swing sooner rather than later.  Keep pushing like somebody who isn't paying attention, and you'll end up accidentally defending us.

[Ithillian Turambar]

The T-Tag Forced Lynch Timeline - all times are in BST (British Summer Time)

 

3.31 Last normal vote count

 

Posted Today, 03:31 AM

Votecount 2.07

 

J-TAG (4) - Sexy Sisters, Clarthe, YoloHashSwag, HaXorz

PFG (2) - CRUNK, RTL

YoloHashSWag (3) - PFG, J-TAG, WiFuM

 

Not voting: Spliffanity

 

With 10 alive it takes 6 to lynch.

 

4.42am - J-Tag claims cop

 

4.48 - Len says he believes

 

5.15 - Despo says he doesn't believe and keeps his vote on them leaving them at 4 (which is over half the amount required to lynch)

 

5.59 - Des says he will unvote if AJ says who he voted. *So did you believe the Role here - you're asking for his read? Why not unvote - ask for his read - and if he messes about put your vote back on? This wasn't some secondary level role claim after all*

 

6.09 - Darthe asks if wanted to reveal or shall he assume is fake claim

 

6.18 - Request to force the lynch actioned by Mod

 

Posted Today, 06:18 AM

Votecount 2.08

 

J-TAG (4) - Sexy Sisters, Clarthe, YoloHashSwag, HaXorz

PFG (2) - CRUNK, RTL

YoloHashSWag (3) - PFG, J-TAG, WiFuM

 

Not voting: Spliffanity

 

With 10 alive it takes 6 to lynch.

 

Deadline-D2

 

6.19 Darthe posts a list of reads

 

6.19 Darthe posts 'expletives' and seems to have been ninja'd by the forced lynch

 

6.22 Despo goes 'oh noes - how did that happen?

 

6.22 Csarmi posts scene and confirms J-Tag as Town Cop

 

6.24 Despo says - there must have been a role that got the person with a highest number of votes - but he can't remember what it's called.

 

6.25 Despo says Wow - lol

 

6.28 Len says a scum role must have insta pushed the lynch - damn

 

6.35 Darthe says the role is called an executor (i think that's the person who ensures a will is handled correctly) and would like to see how that affects people's thoughts on PFG

 

6.37 Despo says ninja'd for role name by darthe because he had to go look up the spider country game to find it out. But then posts this link which is actually to the mafiascum wiki: http://wiki.mafiascum.net/index.php?title=Executioner

 

Which says 'The Executioner is a role designed to stop mass roleclaiming. Working similar to a vigilante, the executioner is able to kill a person who has acquired half-the required lynch votes on a given day. Typically speaking, this ends the day and begins the night phase.'

 

6.40 Despo says is awful we lost cop. He thinks is just a single shot and we shouldn't worry about it anymore. he's going to see if he can find who was viewed but then decides not to because it would out them to the mafia.

 

And then theres a few posts about another game where someone did something bad to someone and they're still maybe annoyed about it - with Darthe, Despo and Len posting.

 

next person to pop up is Pral at 9.56.

 

so

 

If we theorise that the mafia team wouldn't have wasted their Executioner action on someome they thought they could get lynched - until he claimed Cop and made it worthwhile ...

 

1. The person who sent in that action had to be active at around the time J-Tag announced his claim

 

2. They had to ensure there were at least 4 votes on J-Tag for the execution to go through

 

3. Darthe got the name of the role wrong and Despo said he couldn't remember it. I find this hard to believe - as they both very experienced. Darthe is like a perma-mod I think these days.

 

4. Despo said he was delayed in finding the name of the role because he had to go find it in Spider Country - but then posts a link to the Mafiascum wiki

 

5. Len pops up every now and then and says not very much apart for hey - the mafia must have done that.

 

6. No one seems to be really that bothered. The nonchalance level is high.

 

7. No-one says - bloody hell Despo, if only you'd unvoted he would have been at 3 votes and they wouldn't have been able to do this.

 

8. None of you called out the other two and said 'hey! - ok ... which one of you guys did this?' You were all standing around when the body fell - but you didn't suspect any of the other 'last people to see the victim alive?

 

9. Darthe moves straight onto next person to look at

 

10. Despo says he thinks was a one off and we shouldn't worry about it anymore

 

Three people ... all perfectly placed to have done the deed, but whodunnit?

 

Was it Despo in the garage with a bass?

Was it Darthe in the library with a heavy leather bound mystery novel?

Or was it Len in the land of pink unicorns with a knife?

 

round and round and round they go ...

[Krakalakachkn]

 

Alright so first let me say well done, people. Outstanding activity lately, and this game is a literal goldmine for anyone looking for connections. Additionally, this hydra thing is kinda neat because at times I've seen a Hydra head come in to damage control after their other head flubbed or something, and this is a different situation than most are used to. So you get to see some things you might not see otherwise.

 

Just gonna pump a SOC out first since there's quite a lot I caught up on, and will then knock out a WOT after. Might do a whole reread in fact.

 

So Strawhats claim Tracker. Boy oh boy there's a lot that looks weird about how his claim came out. A couple have pointed out the oddness in Jack voting then unvoting, how it looks staged. Well add to that that Amega tried looking all righteous about not claiming at L-2, yet acts all scrambly and goes "Oh noes! Don't lynch the Tracker!" when he gets one more vote from Jack. What was he expecting? That instant flip in his tone and manner just does NOT mesh with a townie mindset. If Amega was gonna act all cool for school and not claim at L-2, I don't see him getting all panicky with his claim at L-1. Moar like "W/e guys, I'm the Tracker" would be expected.

 

There's actually a lot of other irregularities and pings from them (like Amega's recent reread posts are crap), but I for one would rather set them aside as practically confirmed scum and lynch elsewhere. I'll point out some of the other stuff in my wot.

 

Let's see what else... oh yeah IThuirlliiann is #LOCK CLEAR, whether they want to be or not hehe. Seriously, I just love having a mafia rival, because the best case scenario is that both me and Turin are town, and then scum see us going @ one another and are all "Lol, Turin and Des are tunneling on each other again, yay for us!" and then can't help but nudging the action on, or say that one of us seems like scum but not sure which (in an attempt to keep town distracted and set up mislynches). Seriously such a great way to fish for scum while reaction testing Turin at the same time.

 

##Unvote WiFuM

 

Clarthe aint LOCK CLEAR btw. Threw that out as a reaction test, and both failed. Also wanna point out how funny it is that Ithi calls Cloud out for not saying scum enough, then when he starts going "scum scum scum" in his next post she pats him on the head instead of fos'ing him for it. LAWLZ. I'll go more into that later.

 

So I thought RTL might be a good place for scum to be hiding, since they seemed to nudge a bit early on, and plus RTE threw out a big post that tried being good... but wasn't. The reads post I mean. Was bad. Rull bad. However, like the theme of this game apparently, Lenlo came in to damage control and posted a VURRRY townie-looking catchup post. They're looking town now to me. Gj Lenlofinger.

 

J-TAG stinks to me. TG doesn't have much content yet what little he has isn't good at all, and he's usually pretty vocal as town. AJ is a mess. Normally I find that when he's town he thinks very similarly to how I think as town, catches some of the same stuff and has the same opinion on stuff. This game that's not happening at all. I find myself disagreeing with almost everything he says. As far as his vote on me, it's turrrrrrrrible. It's literally one of the weakest pushes in the game, yet he acts like he has very strong scum reads.... If that's the case why isn't he pushing his case on us harder? Why isn't he quoting us or pressuring us himself? Nope, his vote was little more than a snipe vote when he first placed it and he has left his vote parked there even tho Verbal and I haven't been active and there's a LOT of other stuff going on. Then you get his whole defense of Strawhats... yeesh. Steerrong scum read on J-TAG.

 

Lastly I wanna talk about the Evil Sibs. First I wanna say I am actually somewhat tempted to policy lynch them for not reading wots. Thing is, I understand the whole personal preference thing. But that only makes sense for why they themselves wouldn't post wot's, it doesn't explain why they wouldn't read them. Any answer for why they don't read them besides pure laziness is just wrong. When someone gives you a wot to peruse, they're giving you more chances to catch them possibly if they're scum. You can catch little inconsistencies here or there, or note where their reaction to something major is muted and buried between other fluff in a wot or something. Straight up not reading wot's is just antitown behavior, period. If you're not gonna read posts because they're too long than you're essentially saying you don't care that much to try and find scum. Moreover look at both of their reactions after others reacted to them not reading wots. Jack skims the wot and links Lenlo to me and Verb, and this is almost all that he gathers, that Lenlo is apparently defending us a lot. This blatantly ignores the fact that Lenlo called Turin and Ithi town as much or perhaps even more than he called me and Verb town. Selectively picking stuff out of a wot to try and fos someone for is a blatantly scummy move.

 

Lily otoh, says she doesn't read wots. Okay. Then Turin asks both Lily and Jack to see if Lenlo's reasoning makes sense, which is essentially just imploring them to read the post. Lily reacts extremely defensively, saying "How would I know if his reasoning is bad if I didn't read his post?" which is just a bizarre reaction, and not one I see any townie having really. Even someone that's lazy and doesn't wanna read will prob go "Bleh, fine I'll go read it and tell you what I think" or mebbe if they're feeling obstinate might say "Nope, not reading it" but to get defensive like Lily did? Nuh uh. I also thought Ithi had a good catch much earlier with the part about Lily saying she thought something was going on between us (us being WiFuM and YOLOHASHSWAG) which I agree, DOES imply collusion. Lily pretty much just tried retreating as fast as she could from that whole discussion. Incidentally, her original "Something looks like it's going on between them, not sure which is scum" is EXACTLY the kind of post I was referring to before, when scum are happy to nudge me and Turin @ one another more.

 

Lastly Lily has had some strange flip flops. I distinctly remember her way earlier in the thread defending Strawhats, yet she then starts saying they're scummy and even says she'd be willing to vote them while they are at L-2 because Amega had already had a chance to talk. So first of all what she was proposing would have been antitown, it would have been a semirushed lynch when there's still time on the clock to milk for this day. Second, why talk all tough? Why not just place the vote instead? It's because she was trying to build up the appearance that she def wanted them lynched. Looks like distancing to me. Another flip flop I noticed was that Lily earlier said she thought YOLOHASHSWAG seemed like scum, yet even tho Verb and I hadn't posted in a while, recently when commenting on Lenlo's reads she says she disagrees with his read on WiFuM and thinks they're scum. She doesn't comment on the town read Lenlo had on us. Wonder why that is...... oh yeah cause Lily is scum and can't keep her "reads" in order lol.

 

Okay, my consciousness is streamed out. Gonna shake twice and zip up my noggin before going back through to peruse everything. Ttfn!

 

 

Conclusion: Purdy strong scumreads on Strawhats, Evil Siblings, and J-TAG.

 

Town reads on WiFuM, RTL, Sexy Sistahs, HaXorZ.

 

Juries still out on Clarthe, Spliffanity, PFG, and Crunk. Prob feel best about PFG and Clarthe out of that crew, but meh.

 

I'm thinking now that we got a claim out of Thane/Amega, we set him aside since he's tied to the claim anyways. His days are numbered if he's scum, which I still think he is.

 

Since we still got a lot of time, Imma go with ##Vote Evil Sibs.

 

These posts appear very good at face value. Very good.

 

The timing of these bother me though, as at the time SH had made their claim and now Despo swoops in to start the new wagon on ES. Saying that we can 'set aside' the others as more or less confirmed scum and lynch else where.

 

Sounds similar to a tactic I tried pulling once where I wanted to leave my Cop-outted teammate alive for another Day so town could lynch from a smaller suspect pool.

 

Didn't work out lol Point remains though, I get the vibe here after reading over them again that Despo was trying to use some weight to turn the tides a bit.

 

 

 

The only thing that gives me real hesitance is his read on me and TG. It sounds pretty genuine, and I do find that a town!Des and myself meld pretty well in games. Haven't really felt that here all game, which troubles me.

 

 

So check out the bold and underlined in Des' second post and compare to:

 

 

 

Why are the Straw Hats still alive? The dudes are obvscum.

I'm okay with giving them a phase despite Thane's early play. If Amega is lying he will not be able to lie for long.

 

 

Who conveniently also wanted a ES lynch.

[Krakalakachkn]

I'm disliking Yolo more and more.

[Krakalakachkn]

@Mods - Could we please get the Thread Title updated to the correct Day/Night?

[Ithillian Turambar]

Hallia voted for J-TAG before they revealed to be the Cop.

OMG you dobber!!

 

Yes Hallia pushed it up to 4 votes @ 3.29 ... but Despo could have unvoted it back down to 3. Why didn't you mention that?

 

 

Darthe and Despo both question Turin's logic in changing our vote from J-Tag to YOLO - in their own special ways.

[Krakalakachkn]

wtf is a dobber?

[Ithillian Turambar]

 

Some scum role insta pushed that lynch thats for certain, damn.

 

 

What sucks about him getting executed like this is we never got to know who he viewed N1 either so no clearing there. :/

 

This is your second post where you go all "oh noes our Cop got executed!!". Guilty consciousness much?

 

So heres what im feeling. The claim makes me say your town AJ, ofc, but I also dont think Des/Verb is scum and without a for sure viewing on him to convince me otherwise I dont want to vote them. For your list id rather vote Clarthe or SS ((Of the two I feel the worst about Clarthe. Still.)).

 

You don't mention PFG in this post while you had your vote on them during the entire time. I also don't like how you accepted J-TAG's Cop claim at face value while still having your vote on PFG. J-TAG was convinced that they were town so why didn't you consider them to be town as well? Your town read on YoloHashSwag also doesn't add up to your scum read on PFG and your town read on J-TAG.

 

@ Cloud ... Do you think Len sent in the action to force the Lynch?

 

Who do you think was Mafia on J-Tag's actual lynch train?

 

I think we should start with Clarthe btw.

[Ithillian Turambar]

wtf is a dobber?

oh lol - sorry

 

erm ... a tattletail?

[Ithillian Turambar]

 

 

Pretty obvious who they viewed

 

Come @ me scumzos

Despo, he has issued you a challenge.

 

 

Dude, you should just stop posting.  I already explained what the go-forward situation should be.  Even if you think we are scum, I'm proposing that we'll need to be lynched.  Holy crap you're making yourself look bad.

 

Chillax, and you'll get to see us swing sooner rather than later.  Keep pushing like somebody who isn't paying attention, and you'll end up accidentally defending us.

 

Classy.

 

We love you too.

[Pralaya]

This post makes me almost certain you are scum.  You know that after J-Tag, you guys are our top pick for scum, and this is your way of clearing your name for our eventual flip as town.

 

That sounds like confirmation bias, Verbal. At that point, no matter what I said, you would have used that to misrep as scummy. What you are suggesting is a short term band-aid, which makes it seem like an over-reaching point.