[Basic] The Matrix - Game Over

[Darthe]

Basel votes suck hard.   And how is there a group that keeps talking about me being a good solid lynch but not acting on it?  

 

 

Btw, that basel train.  Look at it.  Anyone doubt that one of GE/Vos is mafia?  It could be them both and Err, though that would be really bad voting patterns.

[Andrej]

Not likely.

 

Pretty sure GE already cleared Vos as town anyway and no one has CC'd. You think this game is cop-less with your Miller role? I doubt that. Would mean either you were lying or Nol is a meanie head and tossing out utility roles to confuse.

[Darthe]

He logically cleared him, that doesn't mean that the dude is actually clear.  Or if it does I definitely didn't catch that.

[Andrej]

That's the vibe I got anyway.

 

Can't quote it on my phone. He says something about how he is annoyed that Vos is actually town than votes Basel. His next post saying he would let it air out is what gave me the hint vibe.

[Andrej]

Nvm. Went back to double check, he said he wishes he didn't think he was town. Not that he wished he wasn't town.

 

My bad.

[Andrej]

  On 1/28/2014 at 11:46 PM, Basel Gill said:

A. Your defense of Err is noted and filed away for safe-keeping.

2. I can't speak for everyone else. But I can speak for myself. I already noted (and you quoted it, in fact) that Err was engaging in setup talk. That's usually something that scum do. Divert town's attention away from scumhunting by getting them to discuss how the mod might have designed the game. Furthermore, I was voting Err at the end of the day, and I still think he is scum. Enough other people were voting him at the end of the day that it seems evident he will be a lynch that is not only helpful to town, but lynching him is actually something with a good chance of actually happening. (As opposed to placing my vote on an outlier, which does absolutely nothing to help town because it doesn't actually contribute to a lynch.) So why shouldn't I pick up where I left off?

 

I disagree with the portion about set-up spec being a scum maneuver. I think about set-ups all the time whenever I play a game, regardless of my actual alignment. While it could be a tactic to divert town's attention, it doesn't always make it so. Calling set-up spec scummy in and of itself is somewhat policy-vote material and an easy thing for actual scum to hide behind when casting votes. The issue wasn't that he was speculating the potential roles available in general, it was that he specifically named a role that couldn't be proven which would indicate more insight on his part.

[GoldeneyesND]

  On 1/29/2014 at 2:06 AM, Darthe said:

Basel votes suck hard.   And how is there a group that keeps talking about me being a good solid lynch but not acting on it?  

 

 

Btw, that basel train.  Look at it.  Anyone doubt that one of GE/Vos is mafia?  It could be them both and Err, though that would be really bad voting patterns.

 

At this point neither of us has given much of an explanation for our votes, so that's true. Please explain why they suck HARD. What about Basel has given you the impression he is town to the extent you would FOS a claimed cop for that vote? 

[Nolder]

Votecount

Err - Basel, Darthe, Des (3)

Basel - Goldeneyes, Nervositee (2)

Des - Andrej (1)

 

With 11 alive it takes 6 to lynch.

Deadline: http://www.timeanddate.com/countdown/generic?iso=20140130T12&p0=137

[Theodora]

Err - he lives in another time zone, not Europe or USA and he said he would be away for a short time that is why I think he has not replied to the accusations. I do not think that at this point my vote would go to him just for the fact he started analyzing the game mechanics. To me it sounded more like "thinking aloud" but yet again it might have been a slip of the mafia team structure. I will give him the benefit of the doubt until he appears and comments on the train.

 

Xthrax, Vos and AJ are the only people who try to do some real scum hunting and post their comments in a neat way. I do not necessarily agree with all of them but the goal is to provide information and I think they do well (leaning town). And AJ, no I don't speak the best of English, so if someone doesn't understand something, please ask. I appologise about that.

 

Darthe - still not convinced about his Miller PR. If I were scum and knowing Darthe usually gets viewed early in the game, what better claim than this with his first sentence. His protection for Basel, trying to divert attention to himself pings as well.

 

Despo - I don't see Despo in the game with his meta. He is voting and not commenting like we have seen him play when town. Maybe it's because he is into more than 1 mafia games or he tries the new tactics of lurking. The vote on me without any reason at all was just "brilliant"

 

Tina - I do not know what to think of her - a bit lurky but that is probably her style - sounds a bit over-defensive - null read for now.

 

Golden - I have seen him playing cop and playing scum and this is hi pro-town behaviour. I hope he would give some more explanations, though. I do not like a vote without a stated reason.

 

Anyway, I have my top scum read  in the face of Basel:

1. How quickly he jumped on my train (early Day 1) - very opportunistic move

2. When he saw the train building after Err - he made a consolidation vote

3. Votes Err right away (Day 2) because of the alleged diversion

4. Protects Darthe our "Miller" that he should be left to be a safe lynch later and now Darthe protects Basel, saying Basel votes suck. Looks like an artificial conversation to me.

 

That is all of his scum hunting until now and he presses for a quick lynch. These are enough reasons for me:

 

Vote Basel

[Niniel]

AJ - got a good feeling about him so far

 

Tina - town

 

Basel - a lot was going on yesterday but he choose to not comment on any of it. He was satisfied with his Theo vote, kept quiet, and then changed to Err, Today he has only voted Err and defended that vote, he still doesn´t comment on anything else

 

Darthe - claimed miller. Not sure what to say about him more than that. Not very active.

 

Luci - comes in, reads the thread and says that everyone is scum. Don´t like.

 

Vos - I have a problem with his hardcore defense of Err, Is just bandwagoning today. Golden is right that he tries to be friend with everyone. Says something - then take it back. Don´t know if that is because he is a new player. I haven´t played with him before. Scum?

 

X - null

 

Theo - don´t have much oppionion of her but I agree with her about Des

 

Err - has disappeared. I voted him yesterday because that was the best then. I really want him to play more. His death would indeed give us a lot of information. Especially about Vos and Des if he is scum.

 

Des - what is he doing? Started with a joke vote on Theo then voted Vos, then thought Vos answer looked genuine and voted Err. He changed to Theo without a reason (gives them in a post later), then he votes me and is now unsure about Vos, then vote TG, says he could vote Err again. He is disappointed that Darthe didn´t vote me but he has already unvoted me himself, In the end of the day he says that TGs defense is okay but that he doesn´t want to vote Err. Today he votes Err. What is he doing?

 

Golden - claim cop

 

 

To me it looks like we have a Vos + Err + Des team. Of course I can´t be right about it since it´s only day 2. I´m also suspicious of Basel and he doesn´t fit into that group.

 

I´ll join AJ for now.

 

Vote Des

[Basel Gill]

Tina: I already noted that Err was mentioning the GF role in my earlier posts, the one Vos quoted. I chose not to respond to any of the stuff that you say I ignored on D1 BECAUSE IT WAS D1. A lot was going on with no info at the time. Now that we know TG was townie, I'm planning on looking more closely at the people on his lynch.

[Xthrax]

I'll posting a bit later today otherwise tomorrow, as I'm currently swamped with school and have 1 exam impending currently

[hazelkrs1]

Had a post eaten by my internet going out. Lame.

 

Anyways I'm back at work tonight so I'll def be able to offer a lot more, but for now to address some people's comments about my play so far- this game started while I was off, when I'm already less active, and a couple of games that I'm in seemed like they would end long ago. So yeah, I haven't been able to contribute as much as normal.

 

But I never plan on lurking, that is not a strategy I like to utilize, period. Also, I think there is sufficient explanation for every one of my actions. Maybe not always immediately, but everything I have done has had an easy enough to divine purpose for. AJ's vote doesn't look as bad to me atm, the points he's raising are true enough. Tina's vote looks a whole lot sketchier to me. Opportunistic as hell, and her reads post didn't make sense to me. They seemed to conflict with one another, and tho she linked me to Vos and Err (two people I have already voted/fos'd) and said an Err flip would give info on me and Vos, she votes me instead. Pretty sure she's scum.

[nervositee]

  On 1/29/2014 at 10:56 AM, TinaHel said:

 

 

Vos - I have a problem with his hardcore defense of Err, Is just bandwagoning today. Golden is right that he tries to be friend with everyone. Says something - then take it back. Don´t know if that is because he is a new player. I haven´t played with him before. Scum?

 

 

I wasn't planning on "defending" myself against this argument, but since you put it so strongly, I'll explain. I'm not defending Err. If you can quote me "hardcore defending" Err, then please do. What I am, however, is very skeptical to his train. Because he guessed at the set-up? Which he claims is what he does, and did the last time (which Darthe should be able to confirm, but as far as I can see has chosen to ignore?). 

 

I'm not saying he is one or the other, I'm saying I got a complete null read since he hasn't really contributed. But I think starting his train 10 minutes into D2, on the above reason alone is more scummy than guessing at the set-up. 

[GoldeneyesND]

  On 1/29/2014 at 5:14 PM, nervositee said:

 

  On 1/29/2014 at 10:56 AM, TinaHel said:

 

 

Vos - I have a problem with his hardcore defense of Err, Is just bandwagoning today. Golden is right that he tries to be friend with everyone. Says something - then take it back. Don´t know if that is because he is a new player. I haven´t played with him before. Scum?

 

 

I wasn't planning on "defending" myself against this argument, but since you put it so strongly, I'll explain. I'm not defending Err. If you can quote me "hardcore defending" Err, then please do. What I am, however, is very skeptical to his train. Because he guessed at the set-up? Which he claims is what he does, and did the last time (which Darthe should be able to confirm, but as far as I can see has chosen to ignore?). 

 

I'm not saying he is one or the other, I'm saying I got a complete null read since he hasn't really contributed. But I think starting his train 10 minutes into D2, on the above reason alone is more scummy than guessing at the set-up. 

 

 

This is actually a very good point imo.  Response?

[Niniel]

  On 1/29/2014 at 5:03 PM, Despothera said:

Had a post eaten by my internet going out. Lame.

 

Anyways I'm back at work tonight so I'll def be able to offer a lot more, but for now to address some people's comments about my play so far- this game started while I was off, when I'm already less active, and a couple of games that I'm in seemed like they would end long ago. So yeah, I haven't been able to contribute as much as normal.

 

But I never plan on lurking, that is not a strategy I like to utilize, period. Also, I think there is sufficient explanation for every one of my actions. Maybe not always immediately, but everything I have done has had an easy enough to divine purpose for. AJ's vote doesn't look as bad to me atm, the points he's raising are true enough. Tina's vote looks a whole lot sketchier to me. Opportunistic as hell, and her reads post didn't make sense to me. They seemed to conflict with one another, and tho she linked me to Vos and Err (two people I have already voted/fos'd) and said an Err flip would give info on me and Vos, she votes me instead. Pretty sure she's scum.

 

lol Who have you not voted/fos´d? 

 

What do you mean with opportunistic? 

 

Yes, my reads are conflicted. As I said. 

[Babar Hasan Khan]

k i m back... posts incoming

[Babar Hasan Khan]

let me start of by what BFG did that i found really useful 

 

Day1:

Andrej: Tgelm,
Tina:Golden,Despo
Basel:
Darthe:Andrej,
Yates WolfbrotherKronos Luciena: Tina,
nervositee:Despo, Andrej,Luciena,
Xthrax: Andrej,
Krakalakachkn:
Theodora: Despo, Tglems,Basel,Despo,
Err: vos, Andrej, Despo, Darthe,Darthe,Tina,Basel,Tglems,Andrej,
Tglems: Golden,Theo,Xthrax,Err,Despo,Golden,Andrej,vos
Despothera:
Goldeneyes:Darthe,vos,Tina,Andrej, Tglems

[Babar Hasan Khan]

Day2:

Andrej:
Tina:
Basel:Golden,vos,Theo
Darthe:
Yates WolfbrotherKronos Luciena:
nervositee:
Xthrax:
Theodora:
Err: Basel, Darthe,Despo,
Despothera:Andrej,Tina,
Goldeneyes:

[Luciena]

  On 1/29/2014 at 1:23 AM, Despothera said:

That right there, Luci, does nothing to assuage the suspicions befallen to your slot.

 

It's a common scum move to go "I dunno, EVERYONE looks scummy to me right now! #overwhelmedlolzors"

 

 

  On 1/29/2014 at 1:24 AM, Despothera said:

 

  On 1/29/2014 at 1:22 AM, Basel Gill said:

 

  On 1/29/2014 at 12:12 AM, Luciena said:

So far, everyone without fail looks scummy to me.

You're a natural to this game.

 

 

Last 3 times I've seen someone literally use a line like this in mafia game, they were scum

 

Last 3 times I used it I was vanilla, therefore your logic is nonexistent. 

 

I don't think Basel is as scummy as you're trying to make him look though Des. In point of fact you hopping from one person to another without much explanation does not make you look good either have you thought of that?

[Babar Hasan Khan]

now... i re-read everything.... one thing that is most interesting for me is that in Day 1.... 11 hours before the deadline, with zero votes on me I posted my vote and stated that i am traveling and i did not know if i will be able to check in before the deadline

 

then... 5 people vote for me... now m standing equal with Tgelms also with 5 votes.... i see this happening in two cases...

 

1. Tgelms is a scum and it is a last attempt to lynch an other candidate.... since we now know Tgelms was a towny so moving on

2. with some people still defending Tgelms (golden hadnt claimed at this point), the scum saw a good candidate to lynch who wouldnt be able to comment before the deadline.

 

Now, Darth voting for me didnt come as a surprise cause he had made his mistrust of me clear.... however i found Tina and Basel jumping at the train interesting.... very opportunistic... and a little out of the blue for me at least.... 

 

I also noticed that till now when everyone had been throwing mud around and everyone else.... Tina and Basel have not crossed paths against each other

[Babar Hasan Khan]

as i said before.... i thought Golden could be helpful if a towny.... because when tunneling other people (scum or town) we get information and results.

 

some may think that the whole Golden and Vos standoff was pointless in D1 but i think because of it i m leaning towny on Vos now.

 

If i were a mafia, i would try to lynch people who were really trying to scum hunt in the beginning of the game.... Andrej is a good candidate for it.... during the whole Golden, Vos and even Tgelms cross fire... Andrej was defending Vos and Tgelms and trying to discredit only and only Golden

[Babar Hasan Khan]

oh and yes... by seeing Andrej over defending Vos, first i thought Andrej and Vos could be lovers but then i checked again and found that they are not a possibility in this game.... 

[Babar Hasan Khan]

and for the reason people have been voting for me....

 

i still think that figuring the game dynamics is the best thing to do as we go along.... so i am going to keep on doing it

[Babar Hasan Khan]

Luciena is probably a vanilla towny....... no one would have given up a special rolled character (town or scum) twice that easily