[Advanced] Tinker Tailor Soldier Spy Mafia (Day 6 - Town Wins)

[TheRagnarok]

Inb4 salami/rag team

Lol. Totes just been bussing.

[TheRagnarok]

He's either lying or mistaken. He tries gadgeting a lot in mafia, and ends up either being ignored or wrong a lot.

He claims to have jailed me. I claim that I killed Cloud. Only one can be true. No mistaking that.

[hazelkrs1]

That's not correct Rags. I already gave multiple examples why he could be mistaken

 

He could have been RB'ed, either by a scum team or a town Blocker.

 

You could have been bussed with someone else, so he ended up Jailing someone else (mebbe a mafia member). Since I viewed you N1 and he Jailed you N2, there wouldnt necessarily be a conflict in my views or his NA's

[hazelkrs1]

That's just two scenarios, I could describe more

[TheRagnarok]

See, now this just looks like you trying to make excuses for him for when I show up as town if I get lynched.

[Darthe]

And that looks like you're trying to fear monger him off your lynch. Are you rallying for his vote to go where you think it should or just for it to not go on you?

[TheRagnarok]

That said, y'all are obviously a bit different in how people dunno if they got RBed, jailed or anything of that nature which is a bit odd.

[hazelkrs1]

See, now this just looks like you trying to make excuses for him for when I show up as town if I get lynched.

 

I see you're lacking in humility as well as Darthe.

[Darthe]

Its because the game isn't a puzzle here Rag. Just carries with that trend. When am I going to geg to try out your home base?

[TheRagnarok]

And that looks like you're trying to fear monger him off your lynch. Are you rallying for his vote to go where you think it should or just for it to not go on you?

I'm voting for who I think is scummiest which is what I want others to do.  If I just wanted to not get lynched, I'd be on you. 

 

I know what I am showing up as if I go.  Just don't let Csarmi weasel out of it with some of the excuses Des has laid out.

[TheRagnarok]

 

See, now this just looks like you trying to make excuses for him for when I show up as town if I get lynched.

 

I see you're lacking in humility as well as Darthe.

 

Hey, I did off the Godfather N2 based on gut.  Can't I brag just a little?  hehehe

[Darthe]

 

See, now this just looks like you trying to make excuses for him for when I show up as town if I get lynched.

 

I see you're lacking in humility as well as Darthe.

Whatd you call me?

[hazelkrs1]

Youre just mad cause you got proven wrong. There IS plausible deniability about CS even if you flip town. Not my fault that there is.

[Darthe]

 

 

And that looks like you're trying to fear monger him off your lynch. Are you rallying for his vote to go where you think it should or just for it to not go on you?

I'm voting for who I think is scummiest which is what I want others to do. If I just wanted to not get lynched, I'd be on you.

 

I know what I am showing up as if I go. Just don't let Csarmi weasel out of it with some of the excuses Des has laid out.

Fair. We will see how thos plays out.

[hazelkrs1]

I'm going back to sleep. These jokers wear me out.

 

Lynch Darthe peoples.

[TheRagnarok]

Youre just mad cause you got proven wrong. There IS plausible deniability about CS even if you flip town. Not my fault that there is.

On this forum there is.  On mine and most others there wouldn't be because people get informed of being jailed/roleblocked/etc.  Difference in play.  So not really mad(I never get actually upset over a game, a beer with everyone is best after a good Mafia fight), just annoyed that anyone is actually buying the idiotic spew coming from Csarmi.  I've pointed out 17 1/2 different ways his theory is completely illogical from every angle.

[peacesells]

##unvote

##vote darthe.

 

2 reasons.  We aren't going to get around the cop thing til it's vetted.  I'm not gonna trust Desp until I know my sanity.  If Darthe flips scum..then I know I'm insane cop and can trust my reads or the opposite from now on..and it gives Desp some credibility that he can be a cop as well. 

 

Another..when Darthe is town..he often makes flippant arrogant remarks.  But...he is this active.  He rolls in, takes pot shots and a leaves.  It's a gut thing at best.  Nothing concrete but worth a test.

[Niniel]

Peace, Rag, Pralaya - it´s soon deadline. You need to pick a side. It´s Darthe or Rag today. Don´t make this go to a no lynch today. 

[Turin Turambar]

Pretty much this is my take on things.

 

With so many claimed PRs, I'm trying to sort them out with what I see as plausible.

 

If Rag is a legit CPR Doc, without another Doc claim on the table, I can see how this would fit in the set-up with Des being a Cop and Verb being a back-up since Rag would have the potential of possibly saving or killing one of them depending on if the mafia shot at them at night. This scenario makes me think that Peace is fake-claiming Cop and that CS is also lying.

 

My feelings are reinforced with this based on how Peace is hesitant to test his own claim by lynching one of his viewings after knowing that he got a potentially false one with Cloud, but also self-voting earlier on.

 

CS's claim is a bit hard to swallow over all. Introducing a theory that there are two mafia teams without prior evidence is just sorta... eh. I don't find this likely with a 15 player game unless the two teams are very small, two apiece at most.

Why could the protector not be the jailer. it protects from kills and doesn't run the risk of killing the target. 

 

I can see it as easily as Des faking. In the initial back and forth with peace, it was Des that seemed to be trying hard to stay alive not trusting that the truth would vindicate him. He also backed off to switch to Darthe in a way that appeared to me to be that he was not looking to actually resolve the situation. just trying to stay alive after he had temporarily saved Rags. add in  he has been unwilling to test his view on Rags. Personally I have a more town view of Darthe than Rag. So I am saying if gonna test a view, that is the one to pick. 

 

I could actually see 3v3v9 in a 15 player game. If the roles were right. Mafia is likely to work against each other as well as town since they must achieve victory by killing everyone else. The evidence was the second kill. to just believe that what Rags claims is the way it is seems a bit over trusting. 

[TheRagnarok]

Peace, Rag, Pralaya - it´s soon deadline. You need to pick a side. It´s Darthe or Rag today. Don´t make this go to a no lynch today. 

I vote for who I think is scum.

[michellem]

^Basically this.

 

@Mish how are you helpful?

 

I'm not? At least that's the answer you want, right?

 

That's not correct Rags. I already gave multiple examples why he could be mistaken

 

He could have been RB'ed, either by a scum team or a town Blocker.

 

You could have been bussed with someone else, so he ended up Jailing someone else (mebbe a mafia member). Since I viewed you N1 and he Jailed you N2, there wouldnt necessarily be a conflict in my views or his NA's

 

I thought you said you viewed Rags N2. You stated your views as "Tina, Rags". I would think you stated them in the order you viewed them.

[WWWwombat]

Vote Count

Salami(1): Ragnarok
Rags(4): Salami, Turin, Tina, Darthe
Darthe(5): Leelou, Despo, Andrej, Mish, Peace
Mish(1): Pralaya


6 to lynch.  Deadline is tonight at 7 PM EST (about 100 minutes from now).  I'm going to have John Snow replace Leelou.

[WWWwombat]

Vote Count

Salami(1): Ragnarok
Rags(4): Salami, Turin, Tina, Darthe
Darthe(5): John Snow, Despo, Andrej, Mish, Peace
Mish(1): Pralaya


6 to lynch.  Deadline is in about an hour and a half and may or may not be extended.

[Andrej]

 

Pretty much this is my take on things.

 

With so many claimed PRs, I'm trying to sort them out with what I see as plausible.

 

If Rag is a legit CPR Doc, without another Doc claim on the table, I can see how this would fit in the set-up with Des being a Cop and Verb being a back-up since Rag would have the potential of possibly saving or killing one of them depending on if the mafia shot at them at night. This scenario makes me think that Peace is fake-claiming Cop and that CS is also lying.

 

My feelings are reinforced with this based on how Peace is hesitant to test his own claim by lynching one of his viewings after knowing that he got a potentially false one with Cloud, but also self-voting earlier on.

 

CS's claim is a bit hard to swallow over all. Introducing a theory that there are two mafia teams without prior evidence is just sorta... eh. I don't find this likely with a 15 player game unless the two teams are very small, two apiece at most.

Why could the protector not be the jailer. it protects from kills and doesn't run the risk of killing the target. 

 

I can see it as easily as Des faking. In the initial back and forth with peace, it was Des that seemed to be trying hard to stay alive not trusting that the truth would vindicate him. He also backed off to switch to Darthe in a way that appeared to me to be that he was not looking to actually resolve the situation. just trying to stay alive after he had temporarily saved Rags. add in  he has been unwilling to test his view on Rags. Personally I have a more town view of Darthe than Rag. So I am saying if gonna test a view, that is the one to pick. 

 

I could actually see 3v3v9 in a 15 player game. If the roles were right. Mafia is likely to work against each other as well as town since they must achieve victory by killing everyone else. The evidence was the second kill. to just believe that what Rags claims is the way it is seems a bit over trusting. 

 

 

I disagree with you on a few points. True that the protector could be a jailor and not run the risk of killing, but as I've said multiple times now, having a BACK-UP Cop makes the CPR claim a little more believable to me considering the risk.

 

I view it as the opposite with it comes to Despo. He claimed first, cleared several players via his views and then turned the discussion onto who were the remaining scum team members. Seemed like genuine play to me, furthermore I don't see why he'd come out like he did in the first place if he wasn't a Cop and ran the risk of being CC'd like he was. I explained previously how I saw Peace's move to be something I've seen him do before as scum, but allowing the chance that there are multiple cops lynching Darthe is still the better option than a claimed PR in order to check their sanity. Darthe was a 1x RB and has already used his ability, therefore vanilla now.

 

The scenario you bring up is possible, but without further evidence I still don't find it worth chasing quite yet. Currently it looks like Rag is on the opposing mafia team and was supposedly blocked N1 and N2. There was only 1 NK on N1, so the theory that the scum teams alternate kills each Night is out because we had 2 on N2 unless one team holstered. Basically it comes down to this. Either CS is lying about jailing Rag on N2, Rag is lying about killing Cloud and no one else has countered, or Rag is truthful about killing Cloud as is either a CPR or SK. I find the last option most likely.

[csarmi]

That's fair enough AJ. But I'm telling the truth here.

 

Pretty sure of the two teams as well. If you think about it, lynching Rags is the safe choice here.

Cause I'm right about the teams and thus we can't afford mislynches.