[Advanced] Vacation Mafia! Day 7

[hazelkrs1]

Sorry everyone, didn't get a chance to catch up at work last night, was crazy busy. Catching up now.

[hazelkrs1]

Eh not too much to catch up on I see. Don't remember any kind of PR hints from Aemon so apparently mafia choosing to shoot lurkers to keep us from getting more info. And yet some people still think it's okay to lurk as town...

 

so  I think town got royally screwed D1. A vanilla got lynched a role got claimed cause it was gonna get lynched. and the reasoning?  because of how the person ALWAYS plays. ridiculous. Its funny I dont see anyone form a policy about pressuring say Wombat for his 2 word no explanation votes. And yet the belief that hallia should play in a way that others believe is right got her votes which i think then gave the mafia an opportunity  and look what they got.

 

I would rather play in a game with nothing but Wombats than nothing but Hallias. Wombat may be elusive at times, but he still does a good job of involving himself into the game and broadcasting his alignment. Nothing against Hallia personally, but it's kind of frustrating playing with someone when you can never get a good read on them because they're not really that commited to being directly involved in the game.

 

VOTE DICE

 

Anyone remember the last scum to quit a game to avoid pressure...hmm.  Kinda ironic Dice replaces Hally.

 

I'm voting the play.  Not the claim. 

 

Although the replacing under pressure thing DEF seems to be an extremely effective scumtell lately, which is really sad, I don't think any scumtell is ever truly 100% effective. You either might be forgetting times when you were wrong or just got lucky.

 

Either way, there's reason to believe that Hallia didn't replace out of this game because of pressure: She's getting replaced in all the games she's in, and apparently has some kind of rl thing. Furthermore, we've already got a claim. If he's lying, chances are he'll get caught in his lies eventually.

 

So that brings me to speculate what your actual play could be here. I think you're fishing for the other x-night doc (assuming that you assume there to be one), and also think you might be able to try and get a claimed doc lynched under policy type pretenses (voting the play, not the claim), so that you can't be called out for shady reasoning. Major FOS.

 

I didn't say "can't be bothered", I said "I don't feel like", and i explained the day after why I didn't feel like it. Of course, you can choose to not believe me on that (although I do dare you to find one single game where I've lied about RL stuff to get off the hook), that's your choice.

 

It amounts to the same pretty much. Def seemed like you weren't that interested in helping town secure a lynch, or casting a vote so you could be held accountable for it later. Both of those things are very antitown type behaviors. Just cause you "felt like it" doesn't excuse that.

 

Also I really don't like you trying to use the "I never lie about RL!" stuff as a aggressive defense. In this scenario, there's no reason why you couldn't be telling the truth about how you felt that day, and yet still be scum. Just seems like you trying to grasp at anything to try and defend yourself here.

 

Also, Peace. HallyDice claimed an x-night doc. Don't you think if we had a full doc, they would have CCed by now?

 

Nooooooo. Doc CC'ing wouldn't be very smart at all. Plus, you trying to work in tandem with him to get the other x-night doc (assuming there is one) to reveal?

 

 

DM mafia has changed a lot in the reveals lately.  Many have been hesitant to CC with good reason.  It's considered 1 in the bag. 

 

Another good reason is that its the truth.  And the other part time doc knows this. Hopefully they will just stay quiet tho. I was spewin when Hallia revealed

 

and peace?  I quit that game because i got personally P'Od.  Not because of heat.

 

 

FYI Dice, that was a really poor decision to make then. Just because you got po'd doesn't mean you should abandon your teammates. Quitting under pressure is probably one of my least favorite things that happen around here. It should be understood that you might get frustrated at times playing this game, it's the nature of the beast. Next time just either take some time to cool off and let it go or just accept your fate and learn from it for next time.

 

Anyhoo, Vote Mish. For rolefishing yesterday, the "can't be bothered to help secure a lynch" post, and cause I've seen a sprinkling of AtE in her posts this game.

[dicetosser1]

Des i did try that  but considering what it was about  i couldnt   therefore i left before saying something stupid.  case closed please

[dicetosser1]

can someoine tell me what AtE is plz? I dont know that one yet keep seeing it

[hazelkrs1]

Appeal to Emotion

[hazelkrs1]

Eh should have linked to it. Essentially it's when someone appeals to other's emotional side instead of using logic or reason to defend themselves. Often it's used when being attacked, so you act all meak and woe is me to try and guilt others into not voting you. Also it can be when someone acts like they're angry others aren't voting with them, forcing others to react and focus more on them instead of on other things they could catch in the game.

[dicetosser1]

ty des

[hazelkrs1]

No probs Dice

[Andrej]

vote Peace

[hazelkrs1]

I could vote Peace as well incidentally.

[peacesells]

Des, Hally was scummy as heck.  She basically had to claim as a last ditch effort to save herself. 

[michellem]

Des, I don't want the other x-night doctor to reveal at all. My point was: Either we have two x-night docs, or we have a full doc. If Hallia fakeclaimed an x-night doc, and we had a full time doc (because how would she know if we had two x-night docs? They're very rare; if there was x-night doctors here, and she's mafia, I can't see any way for her to know that) then yes, I would expect a CC to get rid of a lying mafia. But since we have no CC, I see no point in doubting the claim now; one of us is another x-night doc and knows that it's the truth, and that's enough for me right now. The other x-night Doc should NOT claim now. Clear enough? Only if we have a full Doc, should they CC, in my opinion. 

In conclusion: It was a very risky claim, and if it ends up a fake-claim, it is the most risky one I have seen. I don't think it's a fake.

 

 

And Peace, yes Hallia was scummy. But do you argue with my claims-logic above?

[keyholder21]

VOTE DICE

 

Anyone remember the last scum to quit a game to avoid pressure...hmm.  Kinda ironic Dice replaces Hally.

 

I'm voting the play.  Not the claim. 

 

How can you ignore the claim to only vote for the play?  The claim is part of the play.  

 

I didn't say "can't be bothered", I said "I don't feel like", and i explained the day after why I didn't feel like it. Of course, you can choose to not believe me on that (although I do dare you to find one single game where I've lied about RL stuff to get off the hook), that's your choice.

 

I know it's been pointed out before, but this doesn't sit right with me either.  'Can't be bothered' and 'I don't feel like' equate to the same thing.  Also, getting super defensive over possibly lying about RL stuff is weird.  That's the nature of playing on the internet.  We don't know if you are or not, so it seems pretty obvious that people would question it. 

 

actually i will take that back key   all i remembered at the time was your mod type points and all your playing around. Re looking you have mad some points.  my bad

 

No worries love.

 

As to the above, Mish.  No.  I still wouldn't full claim if I were full doc.  Why?  Yes it would get rid of one mafia, but it would leave you exposed to the rest of the team.  Better to try and get her lynched by pointing out other things in post that were scummy.

 

I also wouldn't assume there is another x-night doc just because.  I have played games where there has been only one. 

[keyholder21]

Grrrr... the rest:

 

I do, agree, though, that x-night doc would have been a risky claim for a scum so it makes me lessen my doubt on Haldice.

[Yates]

 

 

Don't you think if we had a full doc, they would have CCed by now?

No. I wouldn't if *I* were a full doc. ???

 

Seconded.  I would let them live if I was doc, at least until I thought we needed it.

 

And this is why Darthe is a mafia all star.  

 

:bro-fist:

[Yates]

Eh not too much to catch up on I see. Don't remember any kind of PR hints from Aemon so apparently mafia choosing to shoot lurkers to keep us from getting more info. And yet some people still think it's okay to lurk as town...

Some people aren't strong early game players.  I would rather see a weak early game townie lurk and get NKed than say/do something stupid that dooms the Town.  It's all a matter of perspective.

[ReleaseTheEvil]

Ok, caught up. Sorry about that. Forgot to post before my trip. My bad.

 

Not sure how I feel about the Lenlo lynch. I feel some sympathy for him as I have been lynched in a similar context or a similar situation when I was town. It sucks but ah well. The NK doesn't say much but I guess that's the point of their killing an inactive.

 

VOTE DICE

 

Anyone remember the last scum to quit a game to avoid pressure...hmm.  Kinda ironic Dice replaces Hally.

 

I'm voting the play.  Not the claim. 

 

This has been the scummiest thing since day. I respect Hallia's claim. No one has CC'ed it, and I understand the pros and cons for this if there is a full-time Doc, and maybe it will be CC'ed eventually. But as it stands, the claim holds, and you need to respect the claim. This vote from peace doesn't make sense and I think that is very shaky "meta" or experience to vote based on.

 

Vote peace

[鲍勃不是我的名字]

Ok, caught up. Sorry about that. Forgot to post before my trip. My bad.

 

Not sure how I feel about the Lenlo lynch. I feel some sympathy for him as I have been lynched in a similar context or a similar situation when I was town. It sucks but ah well. The NK doesn't say much but I guess that's the point of their killing an inactive.

 

VOTE DICE

 

Anyone remember the last scum to quit a game to avoid pressure...hmm.  Kinda ironic Dice replaces Hally.

 

I'm voting the play.  Not the claim. 

 

This has been the scummiest thing since day. I respect Hallia's claim. No one has CC'ed it, and I understand the pros and cons for this if there is a full-time Doc, and maybe it will be CC'ed eventually. But as it stands, the claim holds, and you need to respect the claim. This vote from peace doesn't make sense and I think that is very shaky "meta" or experience to vote based on.

 

Vote peace

 

Unless of course if Peace is the real full Doc.  

 

So yeah.  Let's pressure him.

[Yates]

Unless of course if Peace is the real full Doc.  

 

So yeah.  Let's pressure him.

WIFOM overdrive. 

[John E. Kelley]

Vote Peasmells.

[Pralaya]

Sorry, I have been absent because of a hectic week. Reading the game now.

[peacesells]

Let everyone notice ishy's lack or participation and his ATE on hallia behalf.

 

Interesting that everyone forgets the doc claims are the scum go to move in order to out a doc. Which is why I would never counter claim.

[peacesells]

Rte you are being lazy. If you disagree with me fine. But explain the vote.

[ReleaseTheEvil]

Rte you are being lazy. If you disagree with me fine. But explain the vote.

 

You're voting our unCC'ed doc claim because she got replaced, despite getting replaced in all of the games she was in? Because voting against poor play is more important than keeping our supposed doc alive?

[peacesells]

I'm voting her because hally was very scummy day 1. My position has not changed. Very lazy vote on your part. Now explain with something not made up.