THE METAL - End: Dinner for Wolves

[Verbal32]

 

wut?

 

Please explain how the logic wouldn't work because there are 3 teams this game. I don't see your point there. As you have pointed out already, the chances of Town dying were already higher from the beginning. It could be argued either way about my intent for false-claim, but as it was pointed out already I was the 2nd largest train at the end of D1 and figured I'd likely be going up for the lynch today. Plus I was drinking whiskey and felt a little ballsy It backfired, but shit happens.

 

To the bolded: Is this the logic you used for picking your target last night? Mish was really the only one to say outright that she didn't believe me which narrowed it down to either me or her.

 

 

Ah ok.  The post I quoted with your whiskey comment didn't have this post quoted within it, so I was unclear on the purpose.....now I see.

[Verbal32]

It went a bit quiet in here. I´m afraid that will lead to a lynch on me since I´m the one closest to getting lynched. 

 

Probably - BFG posted her intent to hammer.

[Niniel]

Then my Yates vote is of little use. 

 

Unvote. Vote AJ

[BFG]

Tina, why shift to AJ?  Why were you voting Yates? 

[Niniel]

Because I think he is anti-town of course. I switched to AJ because no one voted Yates with me. I´m still uncertain about AJ.but it´s either him or me and I rather it be him. The worst case is that he is town but so am I. 

[Niniel]

 

WINNER OF THE CRAP LOTTERY:

 

Tina (5/6): AJ, Kay, Des, Len, Yates

AJ (1/6): Laya

Yates (1/7): Tina

 

Not Voting (4/10):

Tina, BFG, Hally, Verb

 

 

 

 

Sorry little loves, a pretty metal goddess fell sick from ROCKING too hard and called me away to a day of her affections.  I don't intend for this to happen again.

 

FINAL VOTE COUNT: 

AJ (4/7): Laya, Tina, BFG, Hally

Cloud (7/7): Des, Verb, Yates, Kay, Len, Mish, AJ

Tina (1/7): Cloud

 

Not Metal (0/12): 

As it should be.

 

But is he town or is he scum?  Is he scum or is he town?  Is he wolfie or kosher?

 

 

Let´s compare mine and Cloud´s trains. Des joined Cloud´s train early and stayed there all day and now he is doing the same with me. Yates, Kay, Len and AJ are on both as well. Town would think a little more than to just sheep, right? Well, it should be that way anyway. 

[Andrej]

unvote

 

Alright let's look at those trains more closely.

 

Right now I have good town reads on BFG and Verbal. I'm leaning Town on Kaylee as well. Add me in and you've got one more slot for Town... In my mind that leaves likely Pral, Yates, Tina or possibly Hallia.

 

For now Hallia is null until she comes in with more thoughts.

 

Knowing I am Town and putting Tina on that list as well puts Lenlo in a bad spot. Verbal already called him out for sheeping without giving explanations earlier. His exchange with Mish about the fake-claim could be the scum wanting to look Town approach.

 

Looking at today's train on Tina I think there's a chance that as many as 3 scum are there. Des has been pretty scummy this game, and his back-and-forth with Yates over the last two days without either voting each other is beginning to make me think they are distancing while placing their votes on players outside their team. Notice they have both been on the same wagons while consistently calling each other scummy. This is the sort of thing I'd expect from two experienced players on the same team in this sort of game.

 

So, putting my thoughts on paper: Des/Yates are the werewolf team. But then who does that leave for Lenlo's partners on the mafia team? Seeing as how he said earlier he could go for me or Tina I don't think Tina would apply. Both him and Pral voted me out the gates today but Pral has done a better job justifying his vote IMO other than Lenlo's "He lied. Lynch him" biz. Kaylee has been on both trains the last two days but so have I... so not sure about that.

 

Some potential combos I have:

 

Town:

Andrej

BFG

Verb

Kaylee 

Tina

 

Wolf:

Des

Yates

 

Mafia:

Lenlo

Pral ===> I don't find this team very likely because I don't think Lenlo and Pral would've both went after me so quickly today.

Hallia

 

Town:

Andrej

BFG

Verb

Pral

Tina

 

Wolf:

Des

Yates

 

Mafia:

Kaylee

Lenlo ====> Somewhat plausible. Hallia is null but Lenlo's 'either-or' thing and Kaylee's votes make sense from this angle.

Hallia

 

Town:

Andrej

BFG

Verb

Hallia

Tina

 

Wolf:

Des

Yates

 

Mafia:

Lenlo

Pral ====> Again, don't find this combo likely based on Pral and Lenlo's votes for me.

Kaylee

 

We've still got enough time to secure another lynch today other than Tina. I'm not 100% sold that she is Town because her D1 actions were bad IMO but she has played well today I think. The way she stacked up to L-1 pretty quickly also makes me a bit uneasy.

 

After some thought my best two options are Des or Lenlo at this point.

 

Seeing as how I think Des is likely a wolf, I figure he is more dangerous to Town atm.

 

vote Des 

[Darthe]

WINNER OF THE CRAP LOTTERY:

 

Tina (4/6): Kay, Des, Len, Yates

AJ (1/6): Laya, Tina

Des (1/7): AJ

 

Not Voting (4/10):

Tina, BFG, Hally, Verb

 

48 hours to go.*

 

 

*24 hours to go.

[Kaylee]

Tina: I didn't sheep for your train. I did for Cloud's I admit because I really didn't have a good read on a lot of people and the case against him made sense to me. I decided to go back and look over the reasons I was looking at you as anti-town... Here's what I came up with:

 

Interesting... Both mafia and wolfs are happy with any lynches that doesn´t involve one of their own. Tomorrow lets take a new look at AJ, Verb, Yates and Des.

This really stood out to me. Why state the obvious? I am still unsure about AJ, Yates and Des...(really anyone that isn't me.)

 

 

I´m not as interested in a Mish lynch any longer.

 

I will add more later tonight, after I have started my game and put my daughter to bed. I still have one more spot left - anyone want to play?

This really stood out to me because why the switch? ( Yes I know you since explained it, but at the time you hadn't).

 

 

 

Once I saw him claim, and had seen him say recently that he played on MS, I figured that there was a good chance that's what he was trying to do (which is why I tried to play it up a bit to help him in that if that's what he was doing). From what I understand, that sort of thing is fairly common on MS, townies lying and fake claiming and stuff to try and wifom the scum team.

I'm calling "bullsnark." While the underlined is true [pretty sure Darthe and I are the ones that told you this], the bolded wreaks to high heaven. "I was trying to help the guy that you guys are probably going to mislynch now since we lynch all liars on DM and it will earn me massive Town cred when he flips Town." That's what I heard.

Also, as a MS expert, you should know that these statements:

What a bummer.

Will get you burned every time. The "oh no a PR is dead? What a shock. It makes my Townie self soooo super sad. *tear*" post. Blech. 99 times out of 100 this comes from the dude that did the killing.
 

The one thing that I do have to mention however is well, the fact that it "didn't work". AJ survived, and the real Seer died, which means that the fake claim at night could have been done to try and fish for the Seer, see who didn't buy the claim at all, to help his team select their NK.

Let's sow seeds of doubt to paint AJ as scummy. And yet?
 

Therefore it seems much more likely to me that AJ was trying to draw the NK as town.

Vote Tina

"But guys - even though I told you all the reasons *you* should be voting for AJ? *I* am playing at a different level and will play the 'I told you so' card after *you* mislynch him."
 

Anyways, YEAH the part you quoted of yourself was NOT what I took issue with. Trying to whittle down the argument to an analysis of can/could. LAWLZ. I'm still chuckling about it

It was you saying "Either can go in either order". That didn't just mean you could (or can ) vote for either, it meant you would be happy with seeing BOTH swing, and likely would have liked to set up more lynches as well afterwards.

I supersized it so you understand what quote I was referring to, so you don't try your little quote editing trick again.

***

On your god awful point about you and Tina setting up lynches: She said she could vote either _____ and _____, which seemed relevant only to that current phase, while you were outright advocating lynching two different people, one after the other, ignoring thr fact that other evidence could potentially dissuade you from the second lynch if you were town.

Supersizing your own misrep... helps you?
 
*Yates scratches head*

On your "god awful" accusation that I would ignore evidence going forward, that's the crux of the misrep! I would *OBVIOUSLY* not ignore evidence that could cause me to change my read. I do it all the time. Pretending hyperbole isn't part of the game is more weaksauce.

I'm going to leave this alone since you are the only one in this game that thinks there's a difference between "we can lynch either one in either order" versus "I don't care which one gets lynched first."

 

And yes, I can see how MS's ISO feature is so awesome and convenient and probably serves you a bowl of cereal if you ask nice. But it didn't seem like you were just bemoaning a lack of convenience, it seemed like you essentially saying you couldn't be bothered to do an actual ISO on me here, something that IS possible with the site's features, if not as convenient.

Fair enough. I've already acknowledged this fact. Again, I'm simply the victim of my own time constraints. I didn't have the time to do a slow DM "ISO" on you right then, nor did I have the time to go into a lengthy explanation of what would make it easier for me to take the time so I made an offhanded statement that has been taken out of context by the two of you. I have recontextualized it for your convenience.
 

Again you fence-sitting on your read on me. El Oh El.

It's early in Day 2 and I haven't nailed down a read on someone?!! OMG!!! Alert the presses!!!

Elle. Oh. Elle.
 

And why are you worried about AJ defending you about the ISO thing, when as you said yourself, he had a better idea of what you were saying because he plays on MS as well? Don't understand that at all.

I don't like scum defending me. How is that difficult to understand?

 

Now that he is a Town read - it's cool.

 

On top of that, he ran a huge risk of outing the real seer which is what finally happened.

It did? I'm too lazy to look. Can you show me how AJ's fakeclaim directly lead to Mish's death?

Mish isn't dumb. I don't buy for a second that she misplayed that opportunity. Prove me wrong.

This exchange actually looks worse than anything AJ did:

 

Lenlo... Do you really believe the ONLY power role in this game would reveal Night 1? Oooor do you think it's an attempt to fish out the real Seer? That's what the wolves want more than anything right now I'd wager; flush out the Seer so that they don't have to worry about that.

Im saying we cant take that risk. Nowhere did I say the Seer should CC now, but if we scum hunt leaving AJ alone until we absolutely have to catch scum ((Sort of a LyLo situation but hopefully we never get to that.)) then the real Seer can CC, securing us a definite scum.

As it is if we Lynch AJ because he made a stupid reveal and it turns out hes telling the truth, then what? Then we would have shot ourselves in the foot, as im beginning to think your hoping for. This is nowhere near the worst reveal ive seen from a real PR btw. I still remember EPs Day 1, first post Doc reveal and guess what? He was telling the truth. But everyone had the same mindset as you and we lynched him, which screwed us.

 

This one also stinks to high heaven given the timing:

I´m not as interested in a Mish lynch any longer.

What? Are you trying to say that I want to buddy someone that I am planning to kill during the night? How does that even make sense? Talk about clutching at straws.

What? Are you saying you'd be the first scum in the history of mafia to buddy their future night target for Town cred? How does that make any sense? Talk about clutching at straws.
 

A vote for Tina is a vote for town victory. Arguing against voting Tina is like arguing against freedom, unicorns, and fresh marmalade.

You know what I smell??

I'll take the free ticket, though.

Vote: Tina

 

^Here Yates spends time going back and forth with Des, talks about Len and Pral and votes Tina...no reasoning in this post. Going back it was like WUT?! Why spend all that time talking about the 3 then vote a 4th?

 

The bolded quote of Despo's stands out though...

 

 

 

 

Have started but won´t be able to finish until my daughter goes to bed. I´m having so much fun with this game so do not lynch me before I get the chance to give my thoughts. 

Unvote

 

I'll give you 8 hours. Max.

 

 

That is really nice of you. 

 

 

I have read the whole thread again and will see if I can both defend myself and make some cases. 

 

When I look back at the night posts, knowing Mish is seer, it´s clear that the wolfs would have guessed that she was seer after her posts. Before AJs claim she refused to vote him since I voted him but after his claim she started to accuse him. I have to say that the timing of my "I drop Mish" post was really bad. My reason for that post, which no one has brought up, was that Cloud turned up town. Mish unvoted him when he had a long train, then left it to vote me and then turned back when it looked like a lynch was needed before deadline. There would have been no need for that if she would have been mafia or wolf on day 1. Others were perfectly fine to vote Cloud and then lay low. I hope you understand what I mean since my points often seem to disappear because of my bad language. (No Des, that is a fact, no AtE.)

 

Reads so far: 

 

Not town: Des, Yates, AJ

 

Town: Hallia, BFG

 

 

I will post about Yates and Des in the next post. I´m back and forth about AJ but his play yesterday + Pralaya´s posts makes me lean scum. I understand that a vanilla would want to draw a nk but, as Pralaya says, there were no need for that right then. As far as I can see, Mish didn´t leave any seer hints until after AJ claimed seer. He is absolutely responsible for her death. The question is if he intended to draw her out or if it was an accident. 

 

Hallia and BFG came in late yesterday and voted AJ. I think it would have been just easier to vote  Cloud right then. Not a strong town tell but the best I have right now.

 

Here's the explanation about the switch on Mish. It makes sense, but why not say something sooner? Why wait to say it? (I did find her case on Des makes sense. I'll have to look at that later though).

 

 

Actually, Tina's read through reminded me of something...

I got AJ as a Werewolf and Tina and Yates as Mafia together. I think AJ is a Wolf because he seems confident he won't die in the night, and because I think he included the part about "if you don't die tonight" so that he could act like he wouldn't know who'd be NK'ed.

So you were voting for the werewolf, right? Oh wait.

FINAL VOTE COUNT:
AJ (4/7): Laya, Tina, BFG, Hally
Cloud (7/7): Des, Verb, Yates, Kay, Len, Mish, AJ
Tina (1/7): Cloud

Well. Certainly you would have been voting for your werewolf suspect first thing this morning, right? Oh wait.

What a bummer.

Vote Tina.


I doubt that she's a werewolf, most likely mafia imo.

Just weird.

I'm guessing AJ is in the Town pile now?

Reads:

Tina, Pray, Yates, Lenlo

FWIW - I'm voting Tina specifically because I think she's a wolf. Weird that you aren't.

 

Yates makes more sense as for an argument against Despo above. Then he makes the "I'm voting for Tina specifically because I think she's a wolf" statement. Why not say so before now? If you think she's a wolf did you case her? Did you say so earlier and I missed it? Hmm

 

 

unvote

 

Alright let's look at those trains more closely.

 

Right now I have good town reads on BFG and Verbal. I'm leaning Town on Kaylee as well. Add me in and you've got one more slot for Town... In my mind that leaves likely Pral, Yates, Tina or possibly Hallia.

 

For now Hallia is null until she comes in with more thoughts.

 

Knowing I am Town and putting Tina on that list as well puts Lenlo in a bad spot. Verbal already called him out for sheeping without giving explanations earlier. His exchange with Mish about the fake-claim could be the scum wanting to look Town approach.

 

Looking at today's train on Tina I think there's a chance that as many as 3 scum are there. Des has been pretty scummy this game, and his back-and-forth with Yates over the last two days without either voting each other is beginning to make me think they are distancing while placing their votes on players outside their team. Notice they have both been on the same wagons while consistently calling each other scummy. This is the sort of thing I'd expect from two experienced players on the same team in this sort of game.

 

So, putting my thoughts on paper: Des/Yates are the werewolf team. But then who does that leave for Lenlo's partners on the mafia team? Seeing as how he said earlier he could go for me or Tina I don't think Tina would apply. Both him and Pral voted me out the gates today but Pral has done a better job justifying his vote IMO other than Lenlo's "He lied. Lynch him" biz. Kaylee has been on both trains the last two days but so have I... so not sure about that.

 

Some potential combos I have:

 

Town:

Andrej

BFG

Verb

Kaylee 

Tina

 

Wolf:

Des

Yates

 

Mafia:

Lenlo

Pral ===> I don't find this team very likely because I don't think Lenlo and Pral would've both went after me so quickly today.

Hallia

 

Town:

Andrej

BFG

Verb

Pral

Tina

 

Wolf:

Des

Yates

 

Mafia:

Kaylee

Lenlo ====> Somewhat plausible. Hallia is null but Lenlo's 'either-or' thing and Kaylee's votes make sense from this angle.

Hallia

 

Town:

Andrej

BFG

Verb

Hallia

Tina

 

Wolf:

Des

Yates

 

Mafia:

Lenlo

Pral ====> Again, don't find this combo likely based on Pral and Lenlo's votes for me.

Kaylee

 

We've still got enough time to secure another lynch today other than Tina. I'm not 100% sold that she is Town because her D1 actions were bad IMO but she has played well today I think. The way she stacked up to L-1 pretty quickly also makes me a bit uneasy.

 

After some thought my best two options are Des or Lenlo at this point.

 

Seeing as how I think Des is likely a wolf, I figure he is more dangerous to Town atm.

 

vote Des 

Bold: reading back I also think her D2 posts seem more likely town but her D1 actions still stand out to me. She did get to L-1 quickly, but also stayed there. Not sure what that means since we have two teams against town.

 

Some good points were made against Des as well. (I didn't grab them because I was more looking at Tina and it's getting late for me.)

 

Basically Tina seems like she's scum hunting now. That could be she's on one anti-town team and seeking out the other though. Not sure but feeling a bit less confident about her now so...

 

Unvote

 

I will have time to check back in in the morning and vote accordingly...or the afternoon. I feel Yates or Des would be a good lynch, or at least good to pressure...I'll re-vote Tina if need be. For now I'm going to bed.

[BFG]

Sneaky Darthe getting us to listen to metal...  It is 24 hours though right?  or was anyway.

 

AJs vote is interesting.  No case on Des, the only one I've seen is from Tina a couple of pages back, and after that she votes Yates.  AJ has Yates & Des as a werewolf team but votes Des, even though Yates has already had one vote on him (although it's since been removed). 

 

 

Hallia posted to say she was going to try and catch up, any thoughts?

 

 

I'll be around tonight to vote, but may not be around at deadline.

[Hallia]

Yep! I've finally caught up.  I initially was pretty darned sure AJ was scummy with the early back and forth between him and Cloud and then the night claim of the seer.  However, it's been mentioned several times it could've been to draw the NK to him.  From what I know of AJ and his play, I think this is the most likely scenario. So right now, I think he's town.  Looking back, this is what else stood out to me.

 

 

 

 

 

 

Either way, this is kind of an easy choice for me. Unvote, Vote Cloud.

If you're going to act like an initial fos on someone was a trap or to kick start the game, don't pull the ol "oh man, maybe I really was onto something!" routine and keep trying to case the dude you fos'd. The original for was weak, scum means any antitown role so there was no slip imo. Except for a bit of possible AtE in some of his recent posts, AJ's responses to this whole thing seem fine to me.

But Cloud acting all upset that AJ isn't more suspicious of Pray and not just him reeks like hell. He's tried diverting focus to Pray multiple times. Then the whole Unvote rolled together with the "y'all will lynch me now anyways :sad:" AtE was just as obvious of scum backpedaling as you can get. Not to mention that Cloud seemed to try ducking AJ's question about whether Cloud thought him mafia or werewolf. A veritable orgy of evidence, as it were.
 

I wonder if this isn't some subtle team defense between despo and pral

 

Then these couple of people pinged for me, with the flimsy votes on Cloud

 

Ok, I'll tip the scales.  I'm sticking to my earlier feeling that I'd rather lynch Cloud based on his "reaction testing" excuse.

 

Vote: Cloud

 

 

Unvote Vote Cloud

 

I had forgotten about the deadline. I just voted for the train I felt the strongest about. 

 

Yup im caught up.

 

Vote Cloud We really dont have time for anyone but him or AJ at this point and Cloud is much scummier to me.

 

Whilst I am suspicious slightly of Despo, he makes really good points for Tina's lynch (the most being because I like freedom, unicorns and fresh marmalade )

I'd say it looks more and more like you are going all-in to try and prevent Tina's lynch.

 

I can understand you saying that AJ's move hurt the town. I'd be likely to agree with you there (and good point with the other probabilities), and that's why there are many who greatly discourage game talk during night phases (personally I'm cool with it, as long as you accept the inherent risk). But anti-town doesn't necessarily mean scum. We have to make sure and lynch definite scum, since we won't be able to slip by with as many mislynches this game (considering the original scum ratio was 5:7 town). So you can't "punish" AJ for doing something that hurt town if it's likely that he's town himself.

 

And as I already laid out, it's very likely that he is town at this point. False claiming during the night as scum would expose yourself way too much, for little gain, and with reduced numbers (only 2 and 3 on each respective team), I don't think you'll see scum doing much to expose themselves this game.

 

Tina on the other hand, has a substantial amount of evidence against her.

 

1. Nudged at Mish while keeping her vote parked on AJ (scum love parking their vote)

2. After being pressed for why she was voting AJ, she acted like she couldn't be bothered to restate the reasons, and instead referred others to her original post where she voted AJ (even while she continuously brought up points against Mish)

3. Pulled a 180 after day ended (said she no longer wanted a Mish lynch, after going at her for a while. Looks like she saw there wouldn't be much support for a Mish lynch and jumped ship)

4. Issued a strange cryptic way-too-obvious statement. Tina: "Looks like scum are fine with lynching anyone that's not scum" Everyone else: "Uhm, yeah... they're scum"

5. Used said bizarre statement to try and direct town focus on four names without giving any reasons why those four should be focused on (and she still hasn't said why btw)

 

A vote for Tina is a vote for town victory. Arguing against voting Tina is like arguing against freedom, unicorns, and fresh marmalade.

I'm pretty suspicious of Kay, Verb, and Lenlo, but the case right there makes a lot of sense.

 

 

Vote Tina

[Niniel]

Kaylee - I know most of you had reasons for voting me. Just thought it´s worth noting that so many of you are/were on both mine and Cloud´s trains when there were practically no competing trains. 

 

unvote

 

Alright let's look at those trains more closely.

 

Right now I have good town reads on BFG and Verbal. I'm leaning Town on Kaylee as well. Add me in and you've got one more slot for Town... In my mind that leaves likely Pral, Yates, Tina or possibly Hallia.

 

For now Hallia is null until she comes in with more thoughts.

 

Knowing I am Town and putting Tina on that list as well puts Lenlo in a bad spot. Verbal already called him out for sheeping without giving explanations earlier. His exchange with Mish about the fake-claim could be the scum wanting to look Town approach.

 

Looking at today's train on Tina I think there's a chance that as many as 3 scum are there. Des has been pretty scummy this game, and his back-and-forth with Yates over the last two days without either voting each other is beginning to make me think they are distancing while placing their votes on players outside their team. Notice they have both been on the same wagons while consistently calling each other scummy. This is the sort of thing I'd expect from two experienced players on the same team in this sort of game.

 

So, putting my thoughts on paper: Des/Yates are the werewolf team. But then who does that leave for Lenlo's partners on the mafia team? Seeing as how he said earlier he could go for me or Tina I don't think Tina would apply. Both him and Pral voted me out the gates today but Pral has done a better job justifying his vote IMO other than Lenlo's "He lied. Lynch him" biz. Kaylee has been on both trains the last two days but so have I... so not sure about that.

 

Some potential combos I have:

 

Town:

Andrej

BFG

Verb

Kaylee 

Tina

 

Wolf:

Des

Yates

 

Mafia:

Lenlo

Pral ===> I don't find this team very likely because I don't think Lenlo and Pral would've both went after me so quickly today.

Hallia

 

Town:

Andrej

BFG

Verb

Pral

Tina

 

Wolf:

Des

Yates

 

Mafia:

Kaylee

Lenlo ====> Somewhat plausible. Hallia is null but Lenlo's 'either-or' thing and Kaylee's votes make sense from this angle.

Hallia

 

Town:

Andrej

BFG

Verb

Hallia

Tina

 

Wolf:

Des

Yates

 

Mafia:

Lenlo

Pral ====> Again, don't find this combo likely based on Pral and Lenlo's votes for me.

Kaylee

 

We've still got enough time to secure another lynch today other than Tina. I'm not 100% sold that she is Town because her D1 actions were bad IMO but she has played well today I think. The way she stacked up to L-1 pretty quickly also makes me a bit uneasy.

 

After some thought my best two options are Des or Lenlo at this point.

 

Seeing as how I think Des is likely a wolf, I figure he is more dangerous to Town atm.

 

vote Des 

 

I like this post. You feel a little bit more town now. I will join you. 

 

Unvote. Vote Des

[Niniel]

And then Hallia comes in to just hop on the longest train. *sigh* I wonder if she is trying to cover for Des. 

[hazelkrs1]

Checking in in Asheville cause I can't sleep

 

Why haven't we lynched Tina yet? Seriously guys, she's scummy as hell. I thought she was scumhunting at first as well, but when I saw her back and forth with Mish yesterday it sold me on her being scum.

 

Let me repeat this again for anyone that's still trying to figure out who to vote for: NO townie should EVER have any problem restating their reasons for a vote on someone. Period. End of story. Tina's refusal to restate her reasons for voting AJ after Mish asked for them, considering Tina was doing all this nudging at Mish but never moving her vote to her, is the single most scummy thing I have seen this entire game.

 

Not to mention her trying to lazily use Cloud's lynch to fos a bunch of people on it- classic scum move. Act reluctant to join a train you see likely happening on a townie, just to point fingers and say "for shame" at a select few who did vote them.

 

Lastly, her "defense" today. Hasn't done much except for plead for others to move their vote, without ever seriously replying to the evidence against her. And her reads? Opportunistic and scummy as hell. AJ is one of them, an easy scapegoat for Mish's death and someone who has been in the spotlight for a while. Then me and Yates.

 

But notice how she actually cased the both of us. Its obvious she wants us linked as much as possible, her "case" on AJ seemed perfunctory. Most of the time when trying to redirect focus she has brought up me and Yates. When she cased me, she seemed to be looking for anything she could find to try and make me look scummy. When she cased Yates? She picked one somewhat obscure quote and that was the only point she made about him. Would be absolutely easy as hell for him to reply and shred the one point she brought against him. Looks like the laziest attempt ever at distancing to me. Like she wanted to case him so they didn't appear to be teammates, but didn't want to case him well enough to make people actually think he was scum.

 

So yeah, they seem like obvious teammates to me.

 

Also who was it... Kaylee I think, that pointed out Yates vote on Tina. Spent a whole bunch of time casing me (and editing quotes and misrepping matters to suit him of course, his scum calling card), then votes Tina without giving any reasons. Later states that he is voting Tina because he thinks she is a wolf. But do you think he really thinks that, knowing that if that was the case she would have helped choose to kill Mish, knowing how that would make her look? No, I don't buy it at all.

 

As for Yates recent "casing" of me, someone else already pointed this out but he tried duping as many people as he could by taking quotes as out of context as possible, putting things in the wrong order to make me look as scummy as he could. From what I can remember, he tries making a big deal out of me not voting AJ after I said I thought he was a wolf during the night.... Completely ignoring that I said that before his false claim, and that even at night I was stating that my biggest scum read was on Tina, who I ended up voting for.

 

Other than that, I kinda skimmed a bit so I don't have many other things I wanted to comment on. I feel like Lenlo has gone hiding from the thread, wanted to see more from him to follow up of my read on him. Pray looks like he's trying hard to make AJ look scummy. Not sure if he's a townie legitimately trying to scumhunt, or trying to divert attention from Tina's lynch.

[Verbal32]

Since my back and forth with Lenlo, I'm not sure if he's posted yet.  I would like to clarify the intent of his votes/posts with me.

 

Vote: Lenlo

[Kaylee]

Hally: Suspicious of me why? I would like to hear your thoughts on that.

 

Tina: I was referring to your comment on sheeping on your train.

[Darthe]

Checking in in Asheville cause I can't sleep

 

 

 

Oh Hi des.  If you like Sushi try Mikado, Packs Tavern for bar food, Barleys for pizza, don't eat mexican there, Frankie Bones for a bit nicer meal, Apollo Flame for greek/italian.  Because what else do you do in a culinary hotspot?  Oh, and if you wanna go weird the Jerusalem Garden is pretty awesome.

[Darthe]

WINNER OF THE CRAP LOTTERY:

 

Tina (4/6): Des, Len, Yates, Hally

AJ (1/6): Laya

Des (2/6): AJ, Tina

Len (1/6): Verb

 

Not Voting (2/10):

BFG, Kay

 

13 Hours of Despair

 

Hey, here's a trick for ya.  You can

posts that are obtuse but needed and for those that you just want to reply to with a sentence or two, you can cut out the parts you don't need.  Dueling WoT's is not METAL.

 

Stay tuned for more Darthevice.

[Niniel]

Checking in in Asheville cause I can't sleep

 

Why haven't we lynched Tina yet? Seriously guys, she's scummy as hell. I thought she was scumhunting at first as well, but when I saw her back and forth with Mish yesterday it sold me on her being scum.

 

Let me repeat this again for anyone that's still trying to figure out who to vote for: NO townie should EVER have any problem restating their reasons for a vote on someone. Period. End of story. Tina's refusal to restate her reasons for voting AJ after Mish asked for them, considering Tina was doing all this nudging at Mish but never moving her vote to her, is the single most scummy thing I have seen this entire game.

 

Not to mention her trying to lazily use Cloud's lynch to fos a bunch of people on it- classic scum move. Act reluctant to join a train you see likely happening on a townie, just to point fingers and say "for shame" at a select few who did vote them.

 

Lastly, her "defense" today. Hasn't done much except for plead for others to move their vote, without ever seriously replying to the evidence against her. And her reads? Opportunistic and scummy as hell. AJ is one of them, an easy scapegoat for Mish's death and someone who has been in the spotlight for a while. Then me and Yates.

 

But notice how she actually cased the both of us. Its obvious she wants us linked as much as possible, her "case" on AJ seemed perfunctory. Most of the time when trying to redirect focus she has brought up me and Yates. When she cased me, she seemed to be looking for anything she could find to try and make me look scummy. When she cased Yates? She picked one somewhat obscure quote and that was the only point she made about him. Would be absolutely easy as hell for him to reply and shred the one point she brought against him. Looks like the laziest attempt ever at distancing to me. Like she wanted to case him so they didn't appear to be teammates, but didn't want to case him well enough to make people actually think he was scum.

 

So yeah, they seem like obvious teammates to me.

 

Also who was it... Kaylee I think, that pointed out Yates vote on Tina. Spent a whole bunch of time casing me (and editing quotes and misrepping matters to suit him of course, his scum calling card), then votes Tina without giving any reasons. Later states that he is voting Tina because he thinks she is a wolf. But do you think he really thinks that, knowing that if that was the case she would have helped choose to kill Mish, knowing how that would make her look? No, I don't buy it at all.

 

As for Yates recent "casing" of me, someone else already pointed this out but he tried duping as many people as he could by taking quotes as out of context as possible, putting things in the wrong order to make me look as scummy as he could. From what I can remember, he tries making a big deal out of me not voting AJ after I said I thought he was a wolf during the night.... Completely ignoring that I said that before his false claim, and that even at night I was stating that my biggest scum read was on Tina, who I ended up voting for.

 

Other than that, I kinda skimmed a bit so I don't have many other things I wanted to comment on. I feel like Lenlo has gone hiding from the thread, wanted to see more from him to follow up of my read on him. Pray looks like he's trying hard to make AJ look scummy. Not sure if he's a townie legitimately trying to scumhunt, or trying to divert attention from Tina's lynch.

 

 

I wonder if AJ is right and that you and Yates are on a team. The way you link me and Yates is interesting. When I flip town, will you then find Yates more townie? 

 

To the rest of your post. Is me telling Mish to go back a few pages to find why I was suspicious of AJ really the most scummy thing you have seen this game? Really? 

 

Of course I point fingers at people after a lynch. That is when we get information. 

 

And I think I have answered peoples questions. 

[hazelkrs1]

@Darthe: thanks for the tips

 

@Verb: voting for an outlier with bout half a day left before deadline? Really?

 

@Tina: again you try linking me and Yates. I'm pretty confident you won't flip town, but if you do, that won't really make me feel better about Yates. He's misquoted and taken things way out of context and straight up completely misrepped arguments of mine multiple times now, that's his scum calling card. For reference, see Nolder's kingdom of hearts game. I had the scum team pretty much completely pegged that game (not boasting btw, I just happened to be lucky that time), but I let Yates ruffle my feathers cause he continuously kept misquoting me, misrepping arguments... pretty much the EXACT stuff he's doing this game. Not gonna let that happen again. Can't force everyone else to see what I see, bit hopefully he won't be able to pull the wool over everyone's eyes this time.

 

As for your response to Mish, YES, that was the scummiest thing I've seen so far. Mish had a good point, you were consistently nudging her while keeping your vote parked on AJ. When she asked you for reasons why, you got all confrontational with her. There was no reason to be, and no reason you couldn't have just restated your reasons for voting AJ. If you were town that is. Scum have to fabricate reasons for voting, so they will occasionally forget the particulars of why they voted for someone.

 

And do you deny that it is a classic scum move to be reluctant to join a train on a townie, then turn around and fos a few that did vote them? You yourself even admitted that it was a weak move, especially since you never gave reasons for why you apparently picked those names out of a hat.

 

Which is why I cannot fathom why you haven't been lynched yet. The evidence against you is substantial, and I don't think your responses have really been satisfactory.

[Verbal32]

 

WINNER OF THE CRAP LOTTERY:

 

Tina (4/6): Des, Len, Yates, Hally

AJ (1/6): Laya

Des (2/7): AJ, Tina

Len (1/7): Verb

 

Not Voting (2/10):

BFG, Kay

 

13 Hours of Despair

 

Hey, here's a trick for ya.  You can

posts that are obtuse but needed and for those that you just want to reply to with a sentence or two, you can cut out the parts you don't need.  Dueling WoT's is not METAL.

 

Stay tuned for more Darthevice.

 

 

Am I missing something?  Why do Tina and AJ require 6 to lynch, while Des and Lenlo require 7?  Typo?

 

 

 

 

@Verb: voting for an outlier with bout half a day left before deadline? Really?

 

Don't forget, I'm not really a DM player anymore - I'm more of a JN player now.  On JN, 12 hours is enough to run up half the game and then still lynch another person.

[Darthe]

Yeh typo.

[Niniel]

This isn´t JN, Verbal. But I kind of like that you don´t feel the need to consolidate a day before deadline. 

 

I don´t like that it´s this quiet. It will ultimately lead to my lynch since we need to consolidate. 

[Kaylee]

I'll have time to put my vote back on Tina if needed after work. I wouldn't mind lynching Yates though for reasons listed. Sorry, short on time atm.

[Andrej]

Des is still calling to the high heavens about how scummy Yates is, using meta from the Kingdom Hearts game in this instance, but keeps his vote parked on Tina.

 

Des or Lenlo lynch is the way to go. I'd rather kill a suspected wolf but mafia would be just as fine too.