THE METAL - End: Dinner for Wolves

[Yates]

Wish we had a double-lynch tomorrow so we could lynch both Tina and AJ at once. Game would be half done with already.

AJ lynch would make a Des read easier for me.  Plus, AJ defending me against Kaylee gave me the heebee jeebies.

 

@AJ - Why would you claim Seer DURING THE NIGHT??!!

 

Worst timing for a PR claim ever?  If we don't wake up with a dead Dice and a believable investigation result, this game just got easy.

[Yates]

Oops.  I redact that last sentence.  Wrong game. 

[Lenlo]

I don't buy that "reveal" for a second. AJ, you are not stupid, and it would be BEYOND stupid to claim Seer on N1. The Seer is the only role town has; to claim at night, and the first night? No I don't buy it. You sir, are mafia.

 

I would urge the real Seer to not CC at this point. AJ's timing is proof enough against him.

No, not ok. We dont lynch him until we have a CC or the possible real seer turns up dead. If hes lying we have one in the bag, and im not risking our only PR on whether or not hes telling the truth. Hunt some scum, case other people but dont lynch AJ until we have a something definitive about whether or not hes the real Seer.

[michellem]

Lenlo... Do you really believe the ONLY power role in this game would reveal Night 1? Oooor do you think it's an attempt to fish out the real Seer? That's what the wolves want more than anything right now I'd wager; flush out the Seer so that they don't have to worry about that.

[Hallia]

I'd agree with you there Mish.  We'll just have to wait and see what day brings, hopefully not a dead Seer. :(

[Lenlo]

Lenlo... Do you really believe the ONLY power role in this game would reveal Night 1? Oooor do you think it's an attempt to fish out the real Seer? That's what the wolves want more than anything right now I'd wager; flush out the Seer so that they don't have to worry about that.

Im saying we cant take that risk. Nowhere did I say the Seer should CC now, but if we scum hunt leaving AJ alone until we absolutely have to catch scum ((Sort of a LyLo situation but hopefully we never get to that.)) then the real Seer can CC, securing us a definite scum.

 

As it is if we Lynch AJ because he made a stupid reveal and it turns out hes telling the truth, then what? Then we would have shot ourselves in the foot, as im beginning to think your hoping for. This is nowhere near the worst reveal ive seen from a real PR btw. I still remember EPs Day 1, first post Doc reveal and guess what? He was telling the truth. But everyone had the same mindset as you and we lynched him, which screwed us.

[michellem]

...are you comparing AJ to EP? That's a stretch. Ep is EP; he does crazy stunts. AJ has always striked me as a confident, smart player, even when he was completly new. This is not how I would expect him to deal with a PR; it was a claim completly out of the blue, at nighttime. I could understand a claim next Day, if he1d continued to get pressure. But now? No, it stinks, and tha's that.

[Niniel]

I´m not as interested in a Mish lynch any longer.

 

I will add more later tonight, after I have started my game and put my daughter to bed. I still have one more spot left - anyone want to play?

[Lenlo]

...are you comparing AJ to EP? That's a stretch. Ep is EP; he does crazy stunts. AJ has always striked me as a confident, smart player, even when he was completly new. This is not how I would expect him to deal with a PR; it was a claim completly out of the blue, at nighttime. I could understand a claim next Day, if he1d continued to get pressure. But now? No, it stinks, and tha's that.

Im comparing stupid plays to stupid plays. Say what you want EP wasnt always a crazy stunt puller, before he got bored he was a regular scum hunting mafia player like the rest of us. I know, because I remember them.

 

Either way you can keep pushing this, ill keep fighting you. Lynching him with no CC when we could be scum hunting instead is stupid. As far as we know he is the Seer and only scum want the Seer dead.

[Pralaya]

 

I don't buy that "reveal" for a second. AJ, you are not stupid, and it would be BEYOND stupid to claim Seer on N1. The Seer is the only role town has; to claim at night, and the first night? No I don't buy it. You sir, are mafia.

 

I would urge the real Seer to not CC at this point. AJ's timing is proof enough against him.

No, not ok. We dont lynch him until we have a CC or the possible real seer turns up dead. If hes lying we have one in the bag, and im not risking our only PR on whether or not hes telling the truth. Hunt some scum, case other people but dont lynch AJ until we have a something definitive about whether or not hes the real Seer.

 

 

Frankly, I don't understand the claim at all.

 

If AJ is actually seer, then he would be killed. It is really stupid to claim so early in the game. With no protection, it is a sure death. I don't think wolves would take a risk and let him give a chance to read one of them during the night. There are only two wolves and every death is important. . If one of them dies, it would be very difficult to win.

 

If AJ is mafia, then again, it makes no sense. He would be killed and it would be a pointless sacrifice. I don't see the point of it at all. Nothing for mafia to gain.

 

If AJ is wolf, as Mish said, the only point of the sacrifice would be to fish out the actual seer. One counter claim and they would know who the seer it. But then it would be a very, very risky sacrifice because that leaves only one wolf and surviving till the end is extremely difficult. 

 

All the three cases comes out as unnecessary claim. So, I am totally lost why AJ claimed. Out of the three, the third option seems more probable because of the advantage of fishing out the seer. Anyway, once the night finishes, we may have more clarity.

[Yates]

We dont lynch him until we have a CC or the possible real seer turns up dead.

Stop it.

 

Stop it.

 

Stop it.

 

If it's a BS claim, you do NOT counter if you are the Seer.  Think about it for longer than 1 nanosecond.  If you are the real Seer, you can't be killed.  Period.  Killing the real Seer would expose guaranteed scum.  The only way the real Seer counters is when they get a guilty.  2 for 1 is a good acceptable trade.  1 for 1 is not so good.

 

If AJ is the real Seer?  The best outcome from tonight is he gets protected thus there's no kill and he has a guilty for us in the morning. 

[BFG]

 

We dont lynch him until we have a CC or the possible real seer turns up dead.

Stop it.

 

Stop it.

 

Stop it.

 

If it's a BS claim, you do NOT counter if you are the Seer.  Think about it for longer than 1 nanosecond.  If you are the real Seer, you can't be killed.  Period.  Killing the real Seer would expose guaranteed scum.  The only way the real Seer counters is when they get a guilty.  2 for 1 is a good acceptable trade.  1 for 1 is not so good.

 

If AJ is the real Seer?  The best outcome from tonight is he gets protected thus there's no kill and he has a guilty for us in the morning. 

 

 

protected by who?  there's no doctor - or do you mean protected by the confusion about the claim?

[Yates]

protected by who?  there's no doctor - or do you mean protected by the confusion about the claim?

Crap. Second time today. I keep forgetting which game Hally claimed X-Night doc in. 

 

Yeah so... he's dead if he's the Seer.  Awesome.

[BFG]

 

Des is scum. I'd be willing to bet that between him and Tina that one is a werewolf and the other is mafia.

 

FoS to Kaylee too for that bullshanks on Yates about the ISO feature. Des jumping on it for emphasize is just.... Ew.

 

And to answer your question Des, I have no idea that I'll die tonight. However considering I was the 2nd largest train and I personally know I don't belong to either scum team, I think I will stick around.

 

I'm actually hoping the wolves kill mafia tonight so we can make some more solid connections.

 

@ your lazy attempt to defend yourself.

 

To the bolded: why was it bullshanks? Yates complains about a lack of an iso feature... even tho DM sort of has one. When responding to what others said, whether he forgot or w/e, why wouldn't he have ISO'd me then? He didn't because he never intended to. He just wanted to make it seem like he would like to case me but complain about the site making it too difficult for him to do so. It would be like him saying "Man that guy is scummy. I would vote him if this site had vote tags..." then when others tell him he can still easily vote, he still doesn't do so. That's scummy as hell.

 

To the underlined: your train stalled hardcore yesterday and you know it. Don't try to use that as a cover for your slip. You have no fear whatsoever of a NK, because you control it. Nice try tho, scum.

 

 

In addition to Des's comments, Stuff in blue:

This is as bad as Tina's comment earlier.  Really?  you want werewolves to kill mafia instead of town? 

 

I will allow Yates to answer those questions and whether he actually comes in with said case or not. What I am saying though is that saying he wishes for an ISO feature isn't weird. In fact I found it more strange that Kaylee went back and quoted a game she wasn't even in as evidence.

 

Your NK logic is a hoax. I have a strong feeling that both of us will be alive come morning to duke it out :) Mostly because I am Town, and you likely aren't a werewolf so that plays into their hand to leave us both alive. Or more simply you are a werewolf which is how you can so easily speak of how I control the NK because in fact you're the one doing it yourself. I suppose we'll see some morning.

 

A fair catch on your part for my seer logic though. I never actually emphasized until later so it's strange that you quoted that post specifically. Are you looking for hints?

 

I am the Seer. How's that?

 

Part of me is thinking this is in response to how awful his previous comment was, as a last ditch attempt to save himself or sow confusion, but...  Don't like the idea of what happens if we're wrong

[Verbal32]

To the folks wanting an ISO function on DM like there is on mafiascum:  please build a bridge and get over it.  Not happening.  Thanks.

 

 

To the Yates wanting vote tags:  I will look into it.  If it is reasonably done, then I'll make sure it happens.  If not, see above.  :-)

[Verbal32]

Also, I'm pretty sure AJ is joking around.  Well, mostly sure.

[Yates]

To the Yates wanting vote tags:  I will look into it.  If it is reasonably done, then I'll make sure it happens.  If not, see above.  :-)

[Kaylee]

 

Imo there's a substantial different between saying two people who you could vote for, and "either can go in either order". One seems predicated on current reads, that may change the next day, whereas the other strongly implies that you would be happy to see both lynched, ergo setting up a lynch in a much more overt manner.

Psh. Are you seriously going with this semantics defense? Weak sauce.

I can vote either.

I could vote either AJ or Mish.

Oh wait. You're right. I said "can" and she said "could." WORLD of difference there, right? /sarcasm

 

Lame. And FoS.

How could you know what he meant?

It would be pretty obvious if you played on MS. In retrospect, I realize that would only be obvious to MSers. Like vote tags and inline countdown timers [**glares at Verb**]. So since I have a bit more time to play now, let me clarify.

 

For example:

Darthe, next time can you please not make the signup thread be the game thread? Makes it a little tougher to see who's lurking when there are a number of people who aren't playing atm but who have still posted.

Des knows how to use the "ISO feature" on this board, right? He could find this info! He is claiming ignorance when he knows better!!! FoS??

 

Obviously I'm being tongue-in-cheek to respond to this:

If that's what you meant, that DM's "ISO" feature wasn't as easy to use as MS's "ISO" feature, that still shouldn't have stopped you from... doing an ISO on me.

[To the bolded] Really? Then why can't you tell who is lurking and who isn't? All you have to do is search each individual person using the "ISO" work around. Oh. Because it's a pain in the ballz versus clicking on a link that gives you quick and easy access to that info like this?

In this example, I can tell you in 2 seconds how long it's been since "StomachPains" last posted [6 days, 16 hours] or when RCB's V/LA is ending [tomorrow]. Also, if you click on the "posts" number, it auto-magically brings you to the isolated list of that person's posts. Obviously, isolation only gives you part of the story so being able to hit the back arrow and quickly click on someone else in ISO helps to give you context.

 

Scum are cool with misrepping points through ISO. Scum hunters find scum by finding these misreps and disproving them with context. Framing contextual arguments through searches takes significantly longer than clicking on ready links. That's all I was saying. TL/DR - I didn't have the time to follow up on that particular thought at that particular moment - that thought being that I wanted to know if Des was ignoring Tina, trying to make it LOOK LIKE he was ignoring Tina, or if he was simply using targeted misreps.

 

I think Yates is trying hard to link me with Tina cause he knows that Tina might start catching heat soon so wants to set up my lynch after she flips.

OR - and try to follow me on this - because you tied yourself to Tina by TWICE pointing out statements others said while ignoring the EXACT SAME STATEMENTS when made by Tina. Crazy, right? This isn't a chicken or the egg debate. It's documented history.

FoS to Kaylee too for that bullshanks on Yates about the ISO feature. Des jumping on it for emphasize is just.... Ew.

I think Kaylee's point was a legit "I think I caught Yates in a lie" moment. I've jumped at these before. Probably will again. As stated above, I can understand how people that haven't played at MS before wouldn't have been clear on the implied differences. My only beef was the timing. It looked like scum getting ready to set up the next day's mislynch during twilight. I suppose I can buy that it was a schedule thing. If it becomes a pattern, though, I'll revisit.

 

That said, I'm with you on Des. It's like the "blood in the water" scum tactic. He sees an out of context argument that could potentially create a train and jumps on it to his advantage. A vote would have made me positive. As it is, I'm still having a tough time reading Des. He's skirting that line for me. Suspicious, sure. Scum? Still sorting.

In fact I found it more strange that Kaylee went back and quoted a game she wasn't even in as evidence.

Oh snap! That *WASN'T* in this game!! How did you know about that, Kaylee? I was going to point it out anyway [because credit where credit is due and I wanted the internet cookies] but how did you know?

 

As you said:

...slips come in all sizes dear.

Are you serious? How did I know? I knew because I read things outside games I'm in. Shocking I know. You talk about me "setting up lynches" in twilight yet your making a case at night. How is that different? It's not.

[Verbal32]

 

To the Yates wanting vote tags:  I will look into it.  If it is reasonably done, then I'll make sure it happens.  If not, see above.  :-)

 

 

Buddying up to me!  Scum!

[Niniel]

 

 

 

I didn't like this post before, like it less now looking at it with Tina's case in mind. I just don't like the way she ends the post, just seems to be making too big a show out of how "town" she is. Kinda like a reverse on the buzzword thing: mebbe if you say you're town enough and loud enough, people will believe it.

 

Plus she pushes the "differentiate your reads" thing, which I already mentioned my aversion to.

 

I cut this down to comment on just the above. As for the bold Tina herself has been using "what a townie would do" or the word "town" in a lot of her posts. I just find it interesting that you comment on Mish doing that while liking Tina's case. It's just stood out to me that you call out Mish out for it and say nothing about Tina doing it.

 

 

When I saw Tina using the "not a townie thing to do" thing, it looked like it was just in response to Mish's post that used the same wording. The point I was making thos wasn't the use of the word town, but that Mish seemed to be making a show out of saying she was town.

 

Like in this post:

 

 

How is it a townie thing to twist away from a direct question? I want to you put your reads down on paper, because only mafia are elusive in their wording, so that they can't be pinned down later.

 

I already showed you that I'm not afraid to guess who's on the same team. You know why? Cause I'm town and I want the other townies to have my reads.

 

I never saw Tina say anything like I saw in the underlined portion of that quote.

 

Funny fact tho: I've actually changed my mind about both Tina and Mish. I'll get to that in a bit.

 

Meh. I meant what I said, so take it or leave it.

 

I think Cloud's focus on the wolves is more interesting than anything. The fact that he's jumping so quickly to vote me for something like that leads me to believe he is one of two things. I won't really expound too much there though.

 

BFG pointed this post out again, and I missed it the first time, but yeah this is def a very antitown post to make. If you think you see someone who might be the Seer, why would you hint to that in ANY way if you're town? I know AJ is relatively new but that doesn't excuse it. This is a bigger ping than I had seen anyone else mention on AJ.

 

 

 

I just don't like the way she ends the post, just seems to be making too big a show out of how "town" she is. Kinda like a reverse on the buzzword thing: mebbe if you say you're town enough and loud enough, people will believe it.

I cut this down to comment on just the above. As for the bold Tina herself has been using "what a townie would do" or the word "town" in a lot of her posts. I just find it interesting that you comment on Mish doing that while liking Tina's case. It's just stood out to me that you call out Mish out for it and say nothing about Tina doing it.

 

What's funny is that I was about to post something similar I noticed about Des's interaction with Tina but involving myself. Observe:

 

 

I agree with you [Verb], too. Which is why I was initially still on Cloud. At this point I feel like they are both sketchy and either one can go in either order.

Setting up lynches much, Yates?

 

Well. Yes. That's what you do when you have two scum reads. Yet, why make a big show of it? How is my saying I'd lynch in either order any different from this:

I could vote either AJ or Mish.

Once again, he's calling someone out for posting the same as Tina while ignoring Tina.

 

What's up??

 

 

Imo there's a substantial different between saying two people who you could vote for, and "either can go in either order". One seems predicated on current reads, that may change the next day, whereas the other strongly implies that you would be happy to see both lynched, ergo setting up a lynch in a much more overt manner.

 

And btw, NO, setting up of lynches isn't what you do when you have two scum reads. Setting up a lynch for the next day pretty much discounts any other info that could come to the surface between now and the next day. If you have two scum reads, you go for the one that seems more surely scum, then keep tabs on the other. If nothing else surfaces to change your mind or opinion, THEN there's nothing wrong with following up on your read and pushing their lynch. But that's not what you were saying to do. Just lynch em both, in whatever order.

 

I'm voting you because you have not mentioned AJ at all for the last day or so, you have only pushed on me, but kept your vote on AJ, even though it is clear he isn't anywhere near getting lynched. You don't seem interested in securing a lynch either; if you did, you'd have moved your vote when Cloud was at L-1. You haven't even bothered to vote me, even though Des has shown an interest in your case against me. So in other words, you claim you find me suspicious, but you don't bother placing a vote on me, or trying to get a train on me. You just nudge. That's why I'm voting you.

 

Actually some really good points here.

 

Also, I think Mish is town now. As scum she tends to overexplain when responding to pressure from others, but her concise responses to my queries makes me think she's town in this game. Plus, as Mish pointed out, if Tina believed the case on Mish herself, I think she would have actually voted her. If not, then she would go back and hammer on AJ more, and repeat the stuff she felt sketchy about him. Instead, she's been doing a lot of this lately:

 

 

The spotlight has moved completly away from AJ (and you are one of those who's made sure it has, too). If AJ really was your biggest scum read, why haven't you kept pushing him? Why haven't you tried to get others to see what you have? Is it because Cloud, who's also been pushing AJ, is *this* close to a lynch?

 

And also, exactly why have you chosen AJ to be more scummy than me? You've said that twice I've spoken from a scum team perspective; if you really beleive that, that should be pretty damning evidence, more than anything AJ has done so far.

 

lol Now you are doing it again. Saying that you are more scummy than AJ.

 

I have already explained why I´m voting AJ. This thread is not long. Go back and you will find it.

 

 

Why be so evasive about something fairly important? It shouldn't take too long to reiterate what bothers you about AJ if you have that strong of a scum read on him. I see scum do this sort of thing a lot. It's prickly and confrontational, doesn't seem very townie at all. Townies shouldn't have to challenge others to dig through and find their reasons for voting someone, they should have no problem with stating why they're voting them.

 

 

I linked it above - it's 3 hours from now

 

I know. From what I can understand of Mish´s post above, she wanted me to hammer Cloud yesterday.

 

 

Also don't like this post, Tina hammers on this a bit before others remind her about the open setup. Just seems like a sneaky way to continue discrediting Mish.

 

 

 

Well, you technically also have the Seer but claiming him is suicide. It's odd that Tina used that argument to defend herself against Mish.

 

Yeh, forgot that we don´t have a doc. Still think it was odd that Mish wanted me to lynch you yesterday.

 

 

With all that set-up talk of yours and varying teams? I doubt that.

 

If you don't die tonight I'll be voting you D2.

 

 

Interesting slip here tho. AJ, how are you so sure you won't die in the night? I suspect you KNOW Tina won't die because you and your buddy control the NK. Sad that I didn't pick up on what others saw sooner. Major fos @ AJ.

 

The game isn't that long; you can probably find them yourself...

 

Bahahaha nice Mish

 

Busy day my little rockers. Toull get a final VC soin but for now I am taking care of a sick Nicci.

 

Your fiance's name is Nicci? Weird. Wife's name is Niki.

 

 

Wanted to point this out:

This is where an ISO feature would be nice.[/b]

Bold: He knows there is one...

 

Yeah. It's not what I meant but I'm too lazy to type out why the MS ISO feature is better. I was also going to point out that *I* told her how to use this as a work around. What's your point?

 

Let's see how Cloud flips and go from there since this seems like a fairly banal post from you considering it came it what is technically twilight.

 

 

ah HA! You are so caught Yates. Thought you wiggled out of this one but lemme ask you this:

 

If that's what you meant, that DM's "ISO" feature wasn't as easy to use as MS's "ISO" feature, that still shouldn't have stopped you from... doing an ISO on me. And yet you still don't want to do one it seems hehe.

 

Nope, you wanted to casually link me with Tina, as you saw others doing as well, to try and discredit me after I called you out for setting up lynches. If you really thought you had something here, I don't think you would mention the ISO thing at all unless you decided to do one on me. You just wanted to make it seem like you would case me if only it were easier for you to.

 

You sir, are scum.

 

Interesting... Both mafia and wolfs are happy with any lynches that doesn´t involve one of their own. Tomorrow lets take a new look at AJ, Verb, Yates and Des.

 

Uhm, and this is news apparently? Why state something so obvious? Of COURSE scum would be happy lynching someone that aint on their team. You're acting like you're stumbling onto a revelation here.

 

Also, nice attempt at trying to lead town, and with such a weak, open-ended statement too. You don't give any reasons why any of us should be looked at, and furthermore it's kinda funny that you leave Mish off your list even tho you seemed pretty sure of her scumminess before.

 

You maam, are scum.

 

Updated scum reads:

 

AJ, Tina, Yates

 

Also think Pray and Verb have been lying way too low, and I wish Hallia had answered my question.

 

Hallia, were you serious when you said you thought Cloud was town because he hadn't claimed Doc?

 

Actually you know, it's no point. Of course she'll now come out and say she was joking, even tho her post didn't seem like it was. You can add her to the scum list as well.

 

 

Blue: Yeh, it´s pretty obvious. Since we now know that Cloud was town I guess that both wolfs and mafia wanted to join his lynch early on. That is why I mentioned you. You seem quite upset over that. AJ is surely anti-town. I have dropped Mish. She was on the Cloud train but then went over to me after our back and forth. I don´t think wolf or mafia would do that. It´s possible that she is protecting AJ but then it should probably been easier to just stick with Cloud. 

 

 

I will allow Yates to answer those questions and whether he actually comes in with said case or not. What I am saying though is that saying he wishes for an ISO feature isn't weird. In fact I found it more strange that Kaylee went back and quoted a game she wasn't even in as evidence.

 

Your NK logic is a hoax. I have a strong feeling that both of us will be alive come morning to duke it out :) Mostly because I am Town, and you likely aren't a werewolf so that plays into their hand to leave us both alive. Or more simply you are a werewolf which is how you can so easily speak of how I control the NK because in fact you're the one doing it yourself. I suppose we'll see some morning.

 

A fair catch on your part for my seer logic though. I never actually emphasized until later so it's strange that you quoted that post specifically. Are you looking for hints?

 

I am the Seer. How's that?

 

Why are you defending Yates over something that is not very important? 

 

And why would you claim seer in the middle of the night? 

 

 

Interesting... Both mafia and wolfs are happy with any lynches that doesn´t involve one of their own. Tomorrow lets take a new look at AJ, Verb, Yates and Des.

 

This is a clear FoS on Tina.  Of course, they are happy. What is the point of mentioning it? Unless she is trying to subtly distance herself from both mafia and wolf.

 

 

See my answer to Des. What do you mean by subtly distance myself from both mafia and wolf? 

 

To the folks wanting an ISO function on DM like there is on mafiascum:  please build a bridge and get over it.  Not happening.  Thanks.

 

 

To the Yates wanting vote tags:  I will look into it.  If it is reasonably done, then I'll make sure it happens.  If not, see above.  :-)

 

To the folks wanting Verbal to play the game - he will probably step up tomorrow. Right? 

[Niniel]

I thought I had cut Des´s quote. Sorry. 

[Pralaya]

I thought I had cut Des´s quote. Sorry. 

 

Did you just defeat Des in the War of the Wall-of-Texts? 

[Pralaya]

Interesting... Both mafia and wolfs are happy with any lynches that doesn´t involve one of their own. Tomorrow lets take a new look at AJ, Verb, Yates and Des.

 

This is a clear FoS on Tina.  Of course, they are happy. What is the point of mentioning it? Unless she is trying to subtly distance herself from both mafia and wolf.

 

 

See my answer to Des. What do you mean by subtly distance myself from both mafia and wolf? 

 

By stating a very obvious thing and from the wording you used, you seem to be trying to communicate that you are neither mafia or wolf. Especially when it is unnecessary. I am seeing it as a distancing play.

[Niniel]

Ehm... okay. I can make it less subtle: I´m town! 

[Niniel]

 

I thought I had cut Des´s quote. Sorry. 

 

Did you just defeat Des in the War of the Wall-of-Texts? 

 

 

lol No. Red is the only one that can do that.