Greek Mythology: Man Vs. Gods [Advanced] - GAME OVER - TOWN WINS!

csarmi · September 8, 2013

The mafia-busdriver stills seeems most probable...

How so? If the mafia busdrives someone, why would that decrease the number of kills?

_CLOUD · September 8, 2013

Also, Cloud is very mafia. Not only is Ithi's argument about him not bussing good, but I suspect the whole reason for his unvoting Despo to vote Basel only to revote Despo was to confuse townies as to the vote count in order to force a random lynch.

Can you explain how I was trying to steer away from Despo? I switched back to him after I read that Dice wasn't certain anymore about there only being one Vig in the game, and there were only a couple of minutes left on the clock so why would I have switched back if I were his teammate? I could have saved him by keeping my vote on Basel but instead I put him back at L-1.

It nearly worked too.

Cloud is very very mafia.

So you think I'm mafia only because I wanted to considered all the possibilities regarding Despo's and Thorum's Vig claims and voted for Basel, but then I switched back to Despo anyway when we didn't have enough time?

Well, that is definatley I vote I can get behind.

Vote Cloud

Des' soft defense yesterday was the deciding factor for me.

You call me out for soft defending Despo at the start of Day 1, but you choose to ignore the fact that I went after him after I noticed his inconsistency regarding the "titans are not town" thing. I also remember you saying after Despo claimed to be the Vig, and Thorum counterclaimed that you can never manage to get a good read on him and then you just went away again. It sure sounded like an easy excuse to avoid having to comment on anything going on right then and now you are voting for me because I took a stance?

What more information do you want from me? I vigged Praya, and he's not dead. I'm curious what happened, especially since Ithi said he/she would protect him/herself, and I see no reason why he/she should protect Praya. AND there's no mafia roleblocker.

Thorum first posted that he shot Rory but that he is still alive, and says that he sees no reason why Ithi would protect Pral but then later he still questions Ithi about Pral.. He also says that there is no mafia roleblocker and if I didn't think he was the Vig I would have thought he was breadcrumbing a role for his teammate.

@Thorum: I find the shot on Pral very risky. Just way too little gameplay to have a good read on.

@Pralaya: If Dice is telling the truth, there's a vig in the game. If that isn't Thorum, he'd have shot at Thorum, right?

I'm also not a fan of Thorum's Vig choices. He explained that he targeted Pral because he wasn't active, didn't claim anything important (well he never got the chance to claim), his interaction with Wombat, and strangeness of posts (whatever that means). I do however agree with you that if Thorum wasn't the real Vig, the real Vig would have shot him last Night and also couple that with nobody CC'ing him makes me believe that he isn't lying.

Other looney theory is that pralaya is mafia (but not godfather), and that he was busdriven to Basel.

Anyone got anything better?

You sure are pushing the Busdriver thing a lot, and I don't understand why because it isn't the only role that could have countered your Vig shot in some way, you know.

Can we Lynch Thorum just to stop him from saying that over and over again?

I could almost vote for Thorum just because of his ridiculously scummy play, but him still being alive makes me believe that he is indeed the Vig. I just wish he would start acting more townie in mafia games..

I put a vote on Cloud for mentioning and disregarding that Wombat did something in this game that he also did as mafia in a very recent game; that is not something I see a Town Cloud doing. And vote switch at the start of today...? I've only placed one vote today; on Cloud, that I mentioned yesterday as suspicious. I haven't mentioned a single thing about competing trains this game.

Also, explain this. If I were mafia, why would I come in and vote Des at the last possible moment last Day? It's a well known fact that random has a higher chance of hitting town than mafia early in the game, and hurts town more than mafia, because town won't have the information on that person; mafia will at least know if it was a townie or a mafia.

Your attempt to misrepresent and discredit me has been noted. I still think Cloud is the better option today; but you jumped way up on my list.

That something is Wombat defending Thorum by explaining his meta right? Well, I honestly don't see what's scummy about pointing out someone's meta that should be obvious to everyone by now. People defend each other all the time in mafia games and not everyone who does that is mafia.

I have a town read on you though because you hammered Despo at the last minute while you could also have just ignored him instead, and let it go random which as you say benefits the mafia much more than lynching one of their own.

@CLOUD - Why was it ME you suggested speedlynching at the time you did? And in my Mish reread above you were looking pretty rough.

If you did a reread then you should have also read my explanation as to why I suggested a speedlynch. I wasn't serious in me wanting to speedlynch you. I noticed that the game was starting to slow down, and so I wanted to get the game going again. I was also quite bored back then :P It however didn't work out as planned as so I unvoted again.

DICE - Can you ask what would happen (somehow) If the Coroner died

And can you ask firstly if there IS one in game, as per your Lover?

It seems like you don't know how a Coroner actually works. A Coroner is a role that is meant to counter a Janitor. A Janitor is a mafia role who can mask up a kill so town doesn't get any info from the target's allignment or role. A Coroner can then target the dead player to get information about them.

_CLOUD · September 8, 2013

Managed to finish my Cloud read, however.

#3017974 - Despo seems excited, Innocent Child is interesting

#3019589 - Despo's does sound like a trap, MCS's hinting pings (yet later he pretends that was a claim to ha

#3020847 - Basel sounds like giving up

#3020848 - Despo defended well, let's focus on gameplay, generally suspicious

#3022047 - speedlynch Berf?

#3022522 - explains it, game is crawling, was a joke (why a joke?!)

#3023337 - Thorum just weird as usual, shocked by Dice's reveal, just lynching him is worth it (will keep pu

#3023343 - better idea: verify Dice, have doc prot, lover shouldn't be revealed

#3023351 - lynch a Titan (don't mention Basel yet) <-- horrible, one of the most scummy plans in the game

#3023362 - FoS on how Cop should verify (Berf's idea I think), he misreps Berf's post tho (in my opinion)

#3023375 - connects the dots, oh yea, then let's lynch Basel

#3023595 - Claiming Titan would be anti-town, foS berf for saying a titan is scum (but then wanna lynch a ti

#3023601 - sligth fishing on csarmi's race

#3023618 - all I can say is: ???? (my exact notes)

#3024319 - worth a shot to try and switch to Basel (way too late btw!), ofc he needs to move his vote back,

#3024321 - misreads, 1 vig in game

#3024344 - gonna be so pissed (classic maffia tell)

And dude I feel like this post is missing half of it's text. A lot of the points you are trying to make are just observations, and you don't even explain why they are scummy.

_CLOUD · September 8, 2013

Vote Pralaya

Thorum shot Pral last Night but he is still alive, and Ithi did not defend him so I wonder who else did because he claimed to be a Vanilla. A Vanilla fake claim however is very safe now that we have an Oracle who is able to check all the roles in the game so that makes me more suspicious about him.

ReleaseTheEvil · September 8, 2013

Cloud (3/8): Wombat, Mish, Csarmi

Thorum (2/8): Pral, Ithi

Pral (1/8): Cloud

Not Voting: Berf, Dice, Darthe, Krak, Hallia, Song, Thorum, Tina

With 14 alive, it takes 8 to lynch.

Deadline here!

Hallia · September 8, 2013

Up through page 15 of my reread

I've seen a role like that before ... Innocent child or something. Is a Mod confirmed alignment role. There was one in the Labyrinth Game - but we still didn't really trust it lol.

It's in Green. Interesting.

Cloud ... are you the Doc?

Ithi, was this you bread crumbing by asking him about the doctor role? It gives me an even better town feeling about you.

Here! Really excited about this one, I freaking love Greek and Roman mythology. Looks like we already got a confirmed townie too, that's kinda interesting. Seems like Hallia is an Innocent Child perhaps, wonder if she elected to be confirmed already or if the role was designed like that. Either way, even tho character claims aren't allowed, this leads me to believe Demeter is in the game (Persephone's mom). Altho, she def seems like a "good" God, so I don't know how that would fit into the theme if it's Man vs. Gods...

Anyways I'm babbling. Let's get the game rolling!

Vote Thorum. Vote on Wombat looks like someone trying to disguise a real vote as a joke vote.

Early on, I thought the whole day 1 back and forth seemed forced between thorum and despo

Well isn't Mafia itself just one big trap?

I'm going to like this game. Being a god is going to be so much fun :) Anywho, I'm all caught up, and the people I'm somewhat familiar playing with seem to be up to their typical day one shenanigans while those who I am not familiar with are of course not as easy to read. Nothing sticking out to me as of yet, but we're only on page 5.

This was pre-Dice reveal, and piiiing.

Also human/god is no factor on alignment. I believe Ithi and she is a God, and I believe me and I'm a human. I believe that might be a wasted avenue of investigation at this stage, but we'll see a couple of flips and check the situation.

Berf's reveal pre-Dice, along with his early casing of Despo gives me a town vibe to him.

BTW, for the point of it I am a Titan and I am town too.

Anybody wanna argue about specific factions being town/scum?

Same for Darthe

Like Tina already mentioned Basel changing his vote from Pral to Des while talking about the setup is pinging.

I'm hesitant about believing Des saying it was just a trap because I tend to read him as town, but after reading back the last part about there being good gods does seem like a trap to me. Both him and Pral were talking about the theme of the game (although I find Des mentioning that Demeter must be in the game because Persephone is, far fetched), but between them two I find Pral's posts pingier because he went further than Despo by saying that Prometheus would be third party (why third party and not mafia?). His explanation though that there is a difference between calling a character third party, and a player third party makes sense to me and it is different from the thing Maw did in Despo's game for example. Either way I think we should just stop talking about the theme of the game and all the characters because we can't character claim anyway and it will only lead to more confusion. I think we should just focus on actual play instead.

I'm feeling better about Despo being a human though because I'm also human and I'm town. Hallia being a god, and several others just claiming to be a god and Darthe claiming a titan puts me off though and it makes me believe that RTE has just mixed everything up so that fake claiming would be very difficult. MCS trying to be subtle about claiming a god is the pingiest reveal so far imo.

A God is a confirmed Town. I am a God and am Town.

Despo says he is not a God.

Perhaps our brave little humans are the Mafia Team seeking to overthrow our rightful place in the cosmos.

We often get so caught up in bad and good that we forget that actually it's us vs them.

Unvote - Vote Despo

This post is just bad. You seem to want to prove to everyone that you are town by saying that Hallia was also a god, and she is a confirmed townie. And then you say that because Des isn't a god he must be mafia. What would that make Darthe? Or me and Berf who are both human?

We could always Lynch one of each of us and see :)

Ithi seems less sure about her previous post where she just explained why she must be town and Des mafia, and now purposes to just kill multiple players to try and figure something out that might not even be there because RTE could have mixed everything up. This is very pinging.

Vote Ithi

And about the whole Berf and Despo thing.. I think that Despo has defended himself well enough, and quite frankly I think Berf's case has too many flaws.

And about the whole Berf and Despo thing.. I think that Despo has defended himself well enough, and quite frankly I think Berf's case has too many flaws.

How about the things I have said about Despo? His varying statements about what his PM said about who the Mafia Team might be?

The flood of information that can't be used because we can't claim?

Who do you think is Mafia again?

I will have to reread that convo between the two of you.

The flood of info regarding the theme of the game is indeed useless, and I believe I have already said in a previous post that we should focus on gameplay instead of trying to figure out all the characters etc. We can't character claim so we should just drop that part of our discussions because it only wastes our time and allows people to appear as if they are contributing while in reality they aren't doing anything worthwhile. Despo seems to be a Greek Mythology geek however and he is a fan of trying to come up with game theories so it doesn't surprise me that he has been talking a lot about it. The whole thing with the gods, humans and titans is useful however.

Right now I actually don't have any solid mafia reads. I am however suspicious of several people.

Cloud's the most suspicious to me. He defended Despo early on, tried to start something on Ithi, and also Basel, who flipped town.

@Ithi: I just reread the part where you attacked Despo because of his PM and I don't think he was wriggling at all. He stayed true to what he said earlier.

Unvote, Vote Basel

Continuing my reread, but Cloud pings all over the place for sure.

Vote Cloud

dicetosser1 · September 8, 2013

everyone keeps saying that if thorum wasnt the vig then he would have got shot. Why? If it was me id let him take the pressure for me while i went about my work in the shadows. His posting will keep him in the limelight and perhaps lynch him so i wouldnt have to worry about it.

there is no mafia redirector role. have asked about redirector in general.

my vote is going to depend on my answer.

but right now I do think todays decision is between thorum or praya. if there is no redirector then one of them is lying

Hallia · September 8, 2013

I'd be more comfortable with Thorum just based on what I've read from day one thus far.

Ithillian Turambar · September 8, 2013

Dice confirms there's a vig: nobody CCs Thorum: Real vig has no reason not to CC: Thorum is vig.

@DICE HAVE YOU ASKED IF THE DOC/VIG ARE TOWN ROLES THIS GAME?

QFT

Anyone saying that Thorum isn't the vig is either derptunneling or mafia.

Also, Ithi, I never said you're bad. I said you're not making sense and that is abnormal for you.

As long as there's no CC on the Vig, we can be quite sure that Thorum is telling the truth.

Only if Dice is telling the Truth.

Ithillian Turambar · September 8, 2013

everyone keeps saying that if thorum wasnt the vig then he would have got shot. Why? If it was me id let him take the pressure for me while i went about my work in the shadows. His posting will keep him in the limelight and perhaps lynch him so i wouldnt have to worry about it.

there is no mafia redirector role. have asked about redirector in general.

my vote is going to depend on my answer.

but right now I do think todays decision is between thorum or praya. if there is no redirector then one of them is lying

What work did this other possible vig candidate do in the shadows do you think? If there really is a Vig and a mafia team Kill - why was there only one death. If Thorum had said he killed Basedl then fair enough ... but he was never going to do that lol.

So did he really try to kill me?

Or was there really no other kill submitted.

OR - are you lying about the whole oracle stuff and there is a blocker or other action nullifying role and he got blocked.

There are far too many inconsistencies and no one seems to really care.

Ithillian Turambar · September 8, 2013

Up through page 15 of my reread

I've seen a role like that before ... Innocent child or something. Is a Mod confirmed alignment role. There was one in the Labyrinth Game - but we still didn't really trust it lol.

It's in Green. Interesting.

Cloud ... are you the Doc?

Ithi, was this you bread crumbing by asking him about the doctor role? It gives me an even better town feeling about you.

I thought it would be funny if he ended up counter claiming me again.

ReleaseTheEvil · September 8, 2013

Cloud (4/8): Wombat, Mish, Csarmi, Hallia

Thorum (2/8): Pral, Ithi

Pral (1/8): Cloud

Not Voting: Berf, Dice, Darthe, Krak, Song, Thorum, Tina

With 14 alive, it takes 8 to lynch.

Deadline here!

Thorum · September 8, 2013

So, ithi, your theory is dice, desp AND me are mafia, and made up the silliest and stupidestest mafiaplan EVER?

Anyone has any theory without a busdriver?

Ithillian Turambar · September 8, 2013

funny how Thorum said he was going ... but he actually wasn't.

He obviously feels the need to be able to respond to such things.

interesting hmmm?

Hallia · September 8, 2013

Up through 30.

unvote and vote Basel

As per this distroys the part of the reason I remember to vote Des. Unless Des and dice are both mafia, which I have a hard time believing.

I think your lover should come out himself.

Does your PM say anything about the alignment of your lover? If not, what's the advantage of you having a lover?

Looks like he's just looking for a reason to drop Despo, and hop on Basel. I don't know that I buy his claim. Also supported the lover outing.

Dice can ask RTE how many Town-aligned Gods there are in the game besides Hallia. If its zero, then we know both Ithi and Csarlami are LLL's and mafia. If its one, then one of them is lying. Again, this info could be extremely helpful were we to claim our race (human, god, titan).

What?

You replaced MCS. MCS said he was a God. Though I suppose you could be third party, but then Dice could ask about that too.

I looked up his three posts. None of them stated he were a God.

It was pretty close, in my opinion he might as well have.

I'm the Doctor.

All I could see is this:

Darthe · September 8, 2013

Hally, pay attention. You can't both believe Dice and not buy into Thorum's claim unless you think the real vig isn't revealing for some reason.

Hallia · September 8, 2013

Are you saying that isn't a possibility?

Hallia · September 8, 2013

Up through 43; Cloud still trying to derail Des's train, and then finally gets back on when it is inevitable.

We can still make this happen. I think it's worth a shot.

Unvote, Vote Basel

Yeah this isn't going to work. There aren't enough people online. We already have a big advantage with all the info from Dice so losing a potential Vig won't be disastrous.

Unvote, Vote Despo

I'm getting a townish vibe at the moment from Mish, she's doing her usual. She's pretty quiet most Day 1s, and then after slowly builds speed.

Darthe · September 8, 2013

Are you saying that isn't a possibility?

I'm saying its not a concern any more. Dice will have info on whether the role is tied to an alignment (as that is known before players are assigned) and then we get confirmation. Same as my issues with Ithi. Thus: Voting Thorum is a bad idea. Decisively bad.

Hallia · September 8, 2013

Good thing I'm not, but he still pings to me. Cloud just pings wayyyy more.

michellem · September 9, 2013

Everyone listen up: I think I probably know what happened last Night... I'm a Clumsy Switch; every night I'll randomly switch off one PR (can hit either team). I'm not told wich ofc, or can choose; it's a passive role I have no control over. So my guess is I stopped Thorum's vig kill.

I'm revealing this now because choose to beleive Thorum for now (Krak or Song could be the real vig and haven't been on to CC yet, but until they get on and potenially do so, I'll give Thorum the benefit of the doubt), and I think it's unfair that he should get lynched over a factor he didn't know about.

Now, Cloud:

Des defended YOU, trying to brush away my push on you re:Wombat. Get it now?

michellem · September 9, 2013

Oh and Cloud is obv scum btw. Trying to agree with everything a lot are saying now, and his reasons for voting me are just awful.

CSarllamaee saying he's not a god after MCS said he was one seems extremely sketchy to me. Pretty sure he's sc as well. Both he and Wombat are defending the idea that Dice's Lover could be town the most.

Wombat, you know that it is a good possibility Dice's Lover is mafia. Most Lover pairs we've seen lately have been the town/mafia kinda. Additionally, Dice said that his Lover's claimed character didn't seem to have a connection to him. So apparently they're lying to him as well. What more do you need?

And someone touched on this earlier, but I think there could be a possibility that Dice's Lover is not only scum, but is a powerfully roles scum as Dice's counterpart. This idea is making more and more sense to me the more I think about it. Still think the best thing would be to lynch Dice's Lover today. Lynching me would get rid of a vettable role as well as one which could be a thorn to the mafia because of my item. Yalls choice tho.

First Des is saying Cloud is scummy...

I don't see the logic there Mish. Its based on a previous event and the assumption of that events reoccurance. Not likely or deoendable enough to warrant pause really. Hell, I forgot they were on a team together already.

And half a page later he soft defends him.

For those who don't remember.

WWWwombat · September 9, 2013

Mish, that second quote was from Darthe.

@Dice: Please inquire as to whether this game has a Clumsy Switch. I believe both you and Mish are town, but I'd like her vetted and you on the record nonetheless.

@Dice/Hally: A town vigilante not CCing Thorum would be abysmal play. Therefore, unless someone CC's Thorum, I am going to work under the assumption that he is the vig.

@Ithi: It is unlikely that Dice is mafia imo as his claim could be destroyed in numerous ways. For now, we should focus on getting him on the record on setup info. Actively pursuing his lynch at this point is counter-productive.

@Cloud: No you couldn't have left your vote on Basel. Moving it to him in the first place was scummy. Leaving it there would have been even moreso.

csarmi · September 9, 2013

@Cloud - yes, these are more or less raw notes, also, I mesed something up in my excel and it the characters after 100 :)

Managed to finish my Cloud read, however.

#3017974 - Despo seems excited, Innocent Child is interesting
#3019589 - Despo's does sound like a trap, MCS's hinting pings (yet later he pretends that was a claim to have me reveal I'm not a god)
#3020847 - Basel sounds like giving up
#3020848 - Despo defended well, let's focus on gameplay, generally suspicious
#3022047 - speedlynch Berf?
#3022522 - explains it, game is crawling, was a joke (why a joke?!)
#3023337 - Thorum just weird as usual, shocked by Dice's reveal, just lynching him is worth it (will keep pushing that for a while), Titans should stay hidden (agree with Berf), it's odd that so much info
#3023343 - better idea: verify Dice, have doc prot, lover shouldn't be revealed
#3023351 - lynch a Titan (don't mention Basel yet) <-- horrible, one of the most scummy plans in the game
#3023362 - FoS on how Cop should verify (Berf's idea I think), he misreps Berf's post tho (in my opinion)
#3023375 - connects the dots, oh yea, then let's lynch Basel
#3023595 - Claiming Titan would be anti-town, foS berf for saying a titan is scum (but then wanna lynch a titan, lol), trust 1 titan, lynch the rest; then moves vote to Despo cause he got convinced by Darthe... horrible post
#3023601 - sligth fishing on csarmi's race
#3023618 - all I can say is: ???? (my exact notes)
#3024319 - worth a shot to try and switch to Basel (way too late btw!), ofc he needs to move his vote back, else he'd be obvious scum (I think his vote was trapped in there, cause he'd been voting Despo)
#3024321 - misreads, 1 vig in game
#3024344 - gonna be so pissed (classic maffia tell)

csarmi · September 9, 2013

Half the day gone and half of the players are not voting.

Why?

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