November 7th, 1606: Day 4 (CONCLUDED)

[Hallia]

Yes, but it's post D2, and you've ramped up.

[Verbal32]

Nice case, Mish.

[michellem]

Thank you Verb. I'm pretty satisfied with it myself.

 

 

 

Even more so now that Hallia refuses to answer my direct accusations, pretty much confirms her as mafia too.

[Hallia]

I have never denied that I didn't post enough, Hallia. But that's usual for me; doesn't make it ok, but it's a reason.

 

The difference between you and me is it wasn't just D1, it was N1, D2, N2... But, this is more important, your post count is half in this thread compater to the other two. When I checked, you had 8 posts here, and 16 and 19 in the other two. That smells like trying to lay low and avoid attention. And the only two proper game posts you had, was all trying to paint a person we now know is town scummy.

 

And it's D3 now, not D2.

 

There are several people I'm sure that have different levels of activity in 1 thread or so compared to others.  We all read the same three threads.  While yes they are separate games, it (was) early enough still that posting mostly in one thread didn't seem like a big deal.  What am I refusing to answer?

[Verbal32]

I'm on my phone, so I can't do multiquote, but I'm down for a run on Razen.

 

Let's see where this goes.

 

Vote: Razen

[Verbal32]

 

 

I have never denied that I didn't post enough, Hallia. But that's usual for me; doesn't make it ok, but it's a reason.

 

The difference between you and me is it wasn't just D1, it was N1, D2, N2... But, this is more important, your post count is half in this thread compater to the other two. When I checked, you had 8 posts here, and 16 and 19 in the other two. That smells like trying to lay low and avoid attention. And the only two proper game posts you had, was all trying to paint a person we now know is town scummy.

 

And it's D3 now, not D2.

There are several people I'm sure that have different levels of activity in 1 thread or so compared to others. We all read the same three threads. While yes they are separate games, it (was) early enough still that posting mostly in one thread didn't seem like a big deal. What am I refusing to answer?

I'll defend Hallia here a little - sometimes in the catch-up & post rush in 3 threads, one kinda gets left out. I'm not as concerned about that now as I will be in a few more days.

 

That said, the folks with like 5-10 posts need to get woken up. Can't see stats on my phone, so it'll likely be Monday at work when I check stats.

[michellem]

  Posts Yates. 55 Verbal32 53 csarmi 48 Nolder 41 Despothera 33 Darthe 25 Leelou 25 dapianoplay3r 24 lolguy26 23 WWWwombat 22 Misheru Sedai 17 _CLOUD 17 peacesells 16 Tiinker 15 Ishmael Forsaken 13 Krakalakachkn 12 Hallia 11 serra 11 Razen 10 bgrishinko 10 Lenlo 7 Pralaya 7 TinaHel 6 The Crusher 5

 

 

Those are from right now, this thread.

 

 

 

 

Hallia, why haven't you, before now when I came out with a case against you, posted anything game-related except trying to make Des look bad? That is what I want answerd. And I generally want some thoughts and reactions from you, that's not just following along with a case I made.

[michellem]

Verb; I just found it noteworthy combined with the other things. In itself, not a biggie; before today my post count was suffering most in this thread too. But that combined with the other suspicious things... And it goes both ways; like with Razen who has more posts here than the other threads.

 

 

 

Now I'm signing off for a few hours; got a birthday to go to.

[WWWwombat]

Mini-Vote Count

 

Razen (3/9): Mish, Hallia, Verb

[Hallia]

Going back and rereading has changed my mind as far as Raz goes.  Raz was right alongside Dap in calling Cloud mafia.  So  Raz went through and made

 

 

 

 

Me?

I've been saying for ages that I thought cloud was mafia on this thread
(This is T2 right?)

 

Yes, this is thread 2.  And that is the same conclusion that I've been drawing.  I'll be back in a bit with quotes.  Right here; this is one of the reasons I am disinclined now to vote for him.

 

 

 

Vote Yates

 

For self voting. Ugh.

 

First up.  This one's been beaten to death.  But Cloud's vote on Yates is the first one to have a reason behind it.  It's evident that everyone else was joking in their votes.  Not Cloud.

 

 

Cloud is the first to make it serious.  He implies that self voting is a scum tell, as that's the justification he uses to vote Yates while everyone else is more or less just having a grand old time.

 

 

 

 

 

his play has been sorta all over the place, his trap, his lack of proper defence and his ever changing story on why he played the way he did 

How has his story changed?

 

Also, has he been less "all over the place" in any particular thread?

 

 

Check my post in the first game where I explained that his story keeps changing.

 

 

That's wonderful.  But why do you answer for Chuckles?

 

 

I didn't answer for Chuckles. He already gave his own answer to Yates, and after his post I explained that I noticed the same thing.

 

 

I'm quoting this one for my own reference.  I looked at the timestamps like Chuckles said - they're a minute apart.  Chuckles was at 5:16, Cloud at 5:17 (my time, at least).  You were probably working on the answers at the same time.  So while you're correct in saying that Chuckles did give his own answer, it looks to me like you tried answering that question for him, but were just beaten to it.  And trying to put words in Chuckles' mouth.  Get where I'm coming from now?  As I was rereading, this same thing caught my eye; it did look like Cloud was trying to defend Chuckles, subtly.

 

Peace pulls out the early votes from both Leelou and Ishy on Cloud and casts them as early and bogus distancing. What I find interesting is now, Leelou and Ishy are both dead.  I don't know if that's coincidental or not, but I do find it interesting that he singled them out and that they're now both dead. He pointed out that Leelou kept coming back to Cloud even though she was in favor of lynching Csarmi.  Leelou explains herself better afterwards in why she chose to vote and continued to bring up Cloud Good points, and catches.

 

Looking at the votes, I agree.  Cloud took an obvious joke and flipped it completely on its heels by making it into a serious voting point.  I'm guessing that Ishy saw that too and followed her.  Then Csarmi and the tri-lynch option took over.  Which, by the way, Cloud fiercely advocated in thread 3, but didn't really post anything about it in this thread.

 

Tl;dr.  Cloud's vote on Yates turned a joke train into a serious reason for voting - and a weak one at that.  Peace pointed out the early Cloud voters, of which 2 of whom are now dead, while he tried painting the Leelou/Cloud interaction as scummates distancing from each other.  Well, mostly Leelou distancing from Cloud.  Anyway, given what I've seen so far, Vote: Cloud.  I'm also not liking Peace for that post where he pushed the Leelou/Cloud as distancing scummates angle.

 

 

Raz makes good points, and isn't nearly as scummy as he I thought he was.  The reread was helpful.  Peace and Chuckles are the two I'm leaning towards as scum, with Mish, Dap, Raz, and Purr sticking out to me as town.

[Hallia]

Unvote

[lolguy26]

can you please explain why you find me scummy hal?

 

vote krak 

 

very quiet and my gut says he's scum lurking 

[Hallia]

Scummy moreso than anyone else at the moment.  It's not a very strong feeling, but moreso than null.  Because of what Raz pointed out with Cloud's little defense of you.

[bgrishinko]

Sorry, I need to review this thread. I've kind of neglected it.

[lolguy26]

what defence?

[Krakalakachkn]

I'll be back with thoughts later when I'm at work.  Sorry I've been absent for a few days, but I finished my Exam and have way more time now.

[Hallia]

If you scroll up just a little, it's quoted.

[lolguy26]

that subtly thing is you stretching, i posted my own reason, he tried to answer for me but i dont see how that equals to defending  

[Hallia]

It was something that caught my eye, and that I thought was worth noting.

[michellem]

Really Hallia? You find that more scummy than Razen? Really? And Peace; did you even read my post about how it's unlikely he's mafia?

[Hallia]

For the thing you thought Dap was town for, Raz did the same thing just a moment later, why the difference?

[peacesells]

Very solid case built on Razen.  I'll agree with a vote.

 

VOTE RAZEN.

[Nolder]

First of all Mish I find it quite ironic that you are scolding people for doing what you so often do yourself. Lurking about, sliding by, making excuses and never really posting anything noteworthy. That's been your style since you started mafia as far as I can tell so I just find it funny that you'd call that kind of behavior out. That said, you obviously put some time and effort into your post and didn't just summarized but added your own thoughts as well which many people who make WoT don't bother to do. Good job and please do this more often.

 

As for the case itself. I have to admit it fell flat for me. Not because the things you noted weren't scummy, they definitely seem off, but I am a bit lost in this thread at the moment. I need to do a big reread and kind of collect my thoughts because right now your case, for me, lacks context and I think that's badly needed. That's not something you can provide of course which is why I'm not saying it's a bad case. I just need to go back and remember who said what when and why.

 

Anyway I have no problem adding some pressure and seeing what comes of it.

Worse case scenario is Razen gets lynched as town and I have a thread to compare and contrast his behavior with in the other thread since I am making the case that he might be a SK over there.

 

Vote Razen

[Nolder]

Also I'm not exactly sure when I'm going to get around to rereading this game. I still have to finish my reread in the other game first.

If I don't get it done tonight I'll try to get it done first thing tomorrow morning.

[Darthe]

Offficial Vote Count:

 

Razen (4/9): Mish, Verb, Peace, Nol

Krak (1/9): Chuckles

 

Not Voting (11/16):

Yates, BG, Razen, Len, Dap, Krak, Tina, Ree, Rorschache, Serra, Hally