August 9, 2013: CONCLUDED

[hazelkrs1]

 

Mini cases:

 

Lenlo:

 

 

 

I think the biggest thing we need to do here is get organised. Being able to organise and effectively cross reference data between threads ((Such as he voted this person for doing this in this thread but didnt vote another person in another thread for doing the exact same thing.)) is going to be invaluable to us.

 

We cant treat these as 3 seperate games either, but 1 game in 3 threads. After all what if say 2 people on a scum team in thread 1 are using threads 2 and 3 for whatever. Plotting, setups, purposeful angering of players... We need to keep track of and use all this extra data were getting.

 

Didn't grab the first one, but Lenlo had a few posts like this early on in the game. Trying to look like a helpful townie.

 

"Come on yall! We gots to get organized!"

 

 

As I said in Thread 1, Csarmi I was against lynching you in all 3 threads but after that explosion not lynching you just wouldnt be worth it. Not only did that jump you up on my scumdar but it also makes you the most informative lynch in all 3 threads.

 

Vote Csarmi

 

 

Overstates how much he didn't want to lynch Csarlami at first, but the meltdown apparently pinged for him. Also just NOW catches on to the idea of the Csarlami metalynch being good for info? Don't buy it.

 

Eh... Im not seeing the Serra case. I see the language he was using and I dont think its a setup for a mass claim. Why setup in such an obvious way when it would be better if you outright said "I want a mass claim". Doesnt make sense to me.

 

Vote BG

 

To me it really looks like BG is forcing us to look at what Serra is saying in a way that he didnt mean for it to. Id be willing to switch to Cloud later, but I dont want to lynch Serra on that crap.

 

Ahhh I knew I missed one of the people fos'ing BG there for a bit. I think the votes and fos's on BG were a scum push on him.

 

He also defends Serra really strongly in this one. Also I highly disagree with his reasoning re: Serra's massclaim idea. Sounds too much like "Mafia would never do that" type argument, which is dumb.

 

 

 

unvote

 

Ok now im not sure what to do. Neither of you have any viewings we can test and there seems to have been an epidemic of fake claiming cop going around lately.

 

This stood out to me though. Len believed that I was mafia and that's why he voted for me, but afterwards when I obviously fake claimed to be the Cop he unvoted and said that he was torn on who to believe. I think he might be scum.

 

So because I was hesitant to not believe you I might be scum? If you havnt noticed my feelings on whos scum havnt exactly been good this game, so excuse me if im abit worried about who I lynch when they are claiming cop in a set of games where fake claiming has been rampant.

 

 

The ONE thing Cloud might have gotten right yesterday was his notice of this by Lenlo, how lenlo immediately unvoted. Literally EVERYONE else saw that Cloud's move made NO sense, that a Cop would never self vote. Lenlo was the one who wanted to appear cautious, then gets very prickly after being called out on it.

 

Vote cloud

 

Now hes hammered.

 

Prickliness continues. Lenlo seems to get too emotionally invested in every vote (hammer vote? Wasn't he the hammer on both Cloud and Csarlami?), or at least wants us to believe he's that emotionally invested.

 

 

 

How much did they pay you?

Got a counteroffer?

 

 

 

Seems pretty aloof. This is minor, but still. I think he's almost in gloat mode about his team being close to winning.

 

 

 

Razen:

 

 

 

 

 

Here's how I see the gambit playing out.

 

T1 just had Verbal killing off the cop with a vengeance kill after Tina revealed. Cloud was a vengeance kill in T2. So it is likely there is a vengeance kill here as well.

 

Peace makes a cop type of play to lynch Serra. Most people are going to believe that sort of act, because we've just seen it happen in T1 to great success. So using the Cross Game meta, Peace decides to throw this together knowing full well people will "Lemming".

 

Two fold advantage for scum, if Peace is a vengeance kill then it's a worthy sacrifice because 1. There is a really high chance the cop will counter claim or at least say something to doubt Peace.

2. Even if the cop says nothing at all, he's bound to be one of the remaining people who doesn't immediately vote. This narrows the NK pool drastically for cop hunting.

 

Well played scum gambit in the bag. That, Peace, is how I think this all went down.

 

I like this post.

 

Peace - I voted you because I think you tried to get the cop to claim. Perhaps it was a way to save Chuckles as well. That seems too obvious though but who knows.

 

 

I like it too.

 

It has to do with all of this forcing the cop to claim business.  I believe that is what he's trying to do.  But I don't see how letting him get off a vengeance kill by lynching him is going to help.  If you believe what BG is saying, I think there needs to be more serious discussion about it that the knee-jerk reactions a lot of people seem to be having.  Because I don't think a lot of people considered the theory that BG posted.  It's the only reason I can think of he'd have been so obvious about it.  Who knows?  His teammates might even have started the whole vote him for lying business as a way to get him lynched for that vengeance kill.

 

 

Completely convinced that both there IS a Vengeful Killer in this game (this was before more flips lent weight to the idea that all 3 games were similar setups), and that Peace is one.

 

 

 

honestly i dont want to waste a day on people going back and forth cuz of me, im town cop 

 

and is lily in the game?!!

 

id go with krak tbh, 

 

*facepalm*

 

Ffs man.. Why did you claim now without any kind of pressure?! Peace had the most votes on him and the only thing that you did with this move is most likely getting yourself killed tonight.

 

3 things:

 

1. I am again posting even though I probably shouldn't. It's 4am here, and checking how this thread is going is literally the last thing I'm doing before passing out. This is not me lurking, this is me having busy weekends... Surely, if I actually was following the thread, the most opportune time to vote peace, if I were scum trying to get him lynched, would have been DIRECTLY after he pulled the brake line.

 

2. I, too, would expect a Doc protection to only prevent a single kill. If this is different here, that'd actually quite surprise me. @mod: if a doctor role exists in this game, does it protect from multiple kills?

 

3. I believe chuckles' cop claim. There's should be now way in heck we're lynching him today. Yates is good for his unvote and further explanation. Nolder is less so. Even though I know no one will listen to my suggested play, my suggestion would be to ask the bullet-proof townie in this thread to claim, which would pretty much confirm that all 3 threads have the same PR's, meaning we can keep chuckles alive. Before anyone complains about me role-fishing: I suggest outing probably the weakest PR we have in this thread to stop people from lynching the cop, who may be our only hope of winning this, as well as giving us valuable information for the town-games in the other threads. If there actually is a bullet-proof townie in this thread and the two others, I would actually also consider the possibility that the game could be solved by a game-wide mass claim.

 

I will actually read the other threads tomorrow (probably morning)...

 

I actually really like this idea from Serra and after reading the last few pages I have a town read on him. 

 

 

I'm confused nolder, your saying that you'd rather lynch off an UN CC cop and have me reveal the 1 townie who will be the main focus of NK's come night, its as far as I can see a lose lose sitution for town

 

You need to get those results out there! It doesnt matter if the scum team is going to go after confirmed townies after you die, because it will be way worse if we waste our lynches on them! We can figure out a lot more with your info.

 

 

I prefer lynching serra

 

vote serra 

 

And we still have time, if everyone moves trains (ill be here till the DL, ill check in as often as I can)

 

Umm.. no. Peace is the way to go.

 

 

This post is enough to make me believe that Cloud is scum.  Here's why.  First of all, he puts on the fake "wtf, why did you reveal with no pressure on you at all" hat and tries to gain town cred.  He kept hammering home the point that Chuckles was going to get killed that night and used that as his reasoning to push him to reveal who his innocent was.  He even went so far as to justify Chuckles revealing the innocents so that we don't waste lynches on them after he's dead.  There's only one person at that point, but he's speaking as if there's a lot of people there that it could possibly remove from the picture.

 

Why was he so certain that Chuckles would be killed?  Normally, I'd believe it a semi-safe assumption to make, but there is a doctor still out there.  And no doctor's going to be dumb enough to not protect an un-CC'ed cop.  I think Cloud is going on blind faith in Chuckles because he knows that he's telling the truth.

 

Last, he pushes people to vote Peace over Serra.  This was after the hammer on Peace, but I think it interesting that Cloud agreed with Serra's idea re:BPV claim, and tried to direct Chuckles to vote for Peace.

 

Vote: Cloud

 

 

Overjustification for Cloud vote.

 

There was more, but Tina kinda already covered it. Also add my thoughts about how Razen could have been trying to mask his meta by being an early pusher on all three Csarlami lynches, but with a simple vote and nothing else in each.

 

 

 

Hallia:

 

 

 

You think?  So you don't know, for sure.  I agree with Len, that's pretty anti-town there.

 

Unvote

 

Agrees with Lenlo, one of the first people to fos Peace. Not much here, but meh there's not much you CAN glean from most of her posts.

 

He didn't seem to lose his cool, or spread wifom like fertilizer; I think he did fine?

 

Vote Peace

 

Defends Serra, and votes Peace, doesn't really give any clear reasoning.

 

 

My scum list atm:

Ishy - mainly for that exchange with Peace where he seemed like something was slowly dawning on him... that looked like way too fake of a reaction to the situation

GFY? EAD?

 

 

 

I know right?   First you don't talk enough, then you don't say the right things, no pleasing some people!

 

 

Covered this in the Ishy case, but yeah, sticks up for Ishy for pretty much no reason. Makes me think they were talking earlier on the QT about stuff like this.

 

I'm going with Cloud today.  He was early onto the Csarmi lynch with no reasoning really.  Looked opportunistic.   More recently he tried to start a lynch onto Chuckles, who has revealed himself as cop.  And lastly, what caught my eye was the way he tried to defend Peace at first when he was getting run up after the fake viewing on Serra.  It seems to me he was hoping to get some town credit by looking good and not voting for Peace when he seemed to be a sure lynch.  Then it stalled out, and sure enough he hopped onto the train after all as the deadline got closer.

 

Vote Cloud

 

Just awful, AWFUL reasoning in this post.

 

Bold:  Cloud stated his reasoning on the Csarlami lynch multiple times.

 

Italics: Why would that be relevant? He, along with me and Nol and others I think, were on Chuckles BEFORE he claimed Cop. The fact that he claimed cop afterwards doesn't mean diddly squat as far as any of our alignments go. Town is uninformed, remember?

 

Underlined: At that point, it looked like Peace was going to be the only lynch anyways.

 

Extremely weak reasoning for a vote on Cloud, especially considering there was much better reasoning out there.

 

 

Unvote vote tinker

 

Has been on my scum list along with Ishy. Either would do

 

I don't know about Ish, but I'm pretty comfortable with a tiink vote.

 

Vote Tiink

 

 

 

Another awful vote, and no stated reasons. WHY are you comfortable with this vote Hallia?

 

 

 

 

I like the Lenlo case.

 

 

I find them all three at the same relative levels of scumminess. Razen and Hallia just submitted much less to read them on however. Lurking scum FTL (for the LAME).

[Verbal32]

 

 

Nope. Just voting theory. I've been monitoring voting patterns over the past few games and I've seen it happen over and over. On average, at least two scum are voted for on Day 1 and then never voted for again until some sort of revelation or mistake happens.

 

Also, somebody who escapes a large lynch train more than once is almost always scum or major PR.... hence... Serra.

 

So Hallia, Krak, or Serra.

 

Serra's my top choice, I moved my vote for pressure though for now.

 

Wouldn't the theory be the people that voted those people were distancing from them as teammates?  So you have to look at who was voted (and never re-voted), and also who was the one that parked a D1 vote on them, right?  To look for distancing?

 

Or do you just look at where known scum place their D1 & D2 votes?

 

 

Uh... that's pretty much what he was stating in his theory I think...

 

 

Cause I'm horrible at reading Ishy mainly. 

 

No better time to test the voting theory I think, but meh, I can see it not gaining traction. My point on Krak though wasn't current time non-participation, but the fact he only had 3 posts in a thread he was town in and 20+ in the other two.

 

 

Unvote: Vote Serra.

 

Meh, I'm fine with trying new things.  (giggity)

 

We have people that dropped out or almost dropped out - Des is right in that town motivation is pretty low right now.  Better to lose while taking a shot at something different, eh?

 

 

Argh. I did NOT spend 6-7 hours rereading and writing multiple cases on people just to "try something different". I put in that time and effort on the off chance that town might still be able to win this thing (extremely doubtful, but meh). If I was able to motivate myself, all the other non-emo's should be able to as well.

 

Vote Serra, or tell us who you WOULD like to vote Verbal.

 

 

His theory sounded more like those people were voted early and not re-voted.....I was asking about the people that voted them.  Not sure if maybe I got BG's theory backwards....

 

 

I'm glad you put in that effort after the self-vote silliness, but there is nothing wrong with taking a shot with something new when in dire straits.

 

And I'm already voting somebody.  :-)

[hazelkrs1]

Pretty sure Tink is town Verbal. Would you possibly reconsider voting Ishy or Serra? Hallia's bandwagon vote has to at least give you pause, correct?

[Verbal32]

 

Official Vote Count:

 

Serra (3/8): BG, Tina, Krak

Ishy (1/8): Des

Tink (4/8): Verb, Chuckles, Rorsch, Hally

Rorsch (1/8): Tiink

 

 

Not Voting (5/14):

 Nol, Ishy, Razen, Len, Serra

 

1 Days, 22 Hours

 

Nolder Has Requested Replacement

 

 

So I was kinda looking for more traction on my out-of-left-field Tiinker vote.  Hoping to snag a quick scum getting lazy, but I really don't feel like I did.

 

To be honest, it makes me wonder if I hit gold.  The next handful of votes didn't even mention my vote on Tiinker and just went elsewhere....

[Verbal32]

Pretty sure Tink is town Verbal. Would you possibly reconsider voting Ishy or Serra? Hallia's bandwagon vote has to at least give you pause, correct?

 

See my above post.  I'm debating....

[bgrishinko]

I wasn't looking at distancing... but if I did, here's the results:

 

Verbal: Csarmi, Yates, Nolder

Nolder: BG

Hallia: Krak

Krak: Tiink

 

 

So one names fits on both sides of that coin, Krak. 

[bgrishinko]

So in that regard, maybe Tiinker is mafia.

 

Serra, Tiinker, Krak?

[Verbal32]

So in that regard, maybe Tiinker is mafia.

 

Serra, Tiinker, Krak?

 

That is where I was meandering my way to, yes.

[Tiinker]

I don't understand how you got to that conclusion.

 

unvote vote Lenlo 

For the most part, everyone who's been posting today are people I have general town reads on. We're practically end game right now and I think scums best bet is to let us rip at each other since they've all kept their head low.

[Niniel]

Unofficial vc - think it´s right

 

 

Serra: Tina, Krak, BG, Des

Tiinker: Verb, Chuckles, Pralaya, Hally

Lenlo: Tiinker

 

 

Not voting: Nol, Ishy, Razen, Lenlo, Serra

[Niniel]

Have any of the non-voters checked in at all today?

 

 

I´m going away Thurday - Sunday. I will hopefully be able to post once a day. 

[lolguy26]

serra hasnt which i find interesting considering he's the counter train to tinkers, i think he's lying low hoping this'll pass before the deadline 

[Krakalakachkn]

Krak worries me cause of cross thread meta as not actively participating as Town.

 

It's really frustrating because I don't think I can talk about this with both those games being concluded.

 

 

@Mods - can I address this if I don't include thread-specific info?

[serra]

I'll get to this tomorrow morning, I promise!

[hazelkrs1]

 

Thanks Serra. Will be nice when you finally give some input hours before the deadline.

 

Lynch this turkey yall.

[Darthe]

 

 

 

 

Krak worries me cause of cross thread meta as not actively participating as Town.

It's really frustrating because I don't think I can talk about this with both those games being concluded.

 

 

@Mods - can I address this if I don't include thread-specific info?

It will be tough but yes.

[Krakalakachkn]

Well my answer isn't going to endear me to anyone, but BG has a good point and it needs to be addressed.

 

 

It's simple really, T2 and T3 were the two shortest threads and I never got around to catching up on T1.  It was sheer, unadulterated laziness.

 

 

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[WWWwombat]

Official Vote Count:

Serra (4/8): Tina, Krak, BG, Des

Tink (4/8): Verb, Chuckles, Rorsch, Hally

Lenlo (1/8): Tiink

　

Not Voting (5/14):

Nol, Ishy, Razen, Len, Serra

[bgrishinko]

Okay. Well. Maybe.

 

When's deadline again?

[Darthe]

Dammit Womby ).) I was just doing that.

 

Thank you.

[bgrishinko]

WHY NOBODY POST!?!? Super important day for opinions people.

[hazelkrs1]

Just got to work, little hectic. Will add thoughts in a bit.

[hazelkrs1]

Whelp. Not all that much new stuff to offer thoughts on really. There is this stuff tho:

 

 

 

Official Vote Count:

 

Serra (3/8): BG, Tina, Krak

Ishy (1/8): Des

Tink (4/8): Verb, Chuckles, Rorsch, Hally

Rorsch (1/8): Tiink

 

 

Not Voting (5/14):

 Nol, Ishy, Razen, Len, Serra

 

1 Days, 22 Hours

 

Nolder Has Requested Replacement

 

 

So I was kinda looking for more traction on my out-of-left-field Tiinker vote.  Hoping to snag a quick scum getting lazy, but I really don't feel like I did.

 

To be honest, it makes me wonder if I hit gold.  The next handful of votes didn't even mention my vote on Tiinker and just went elsewhere....

 

 

???

 

The next votes didn't jump to some random person who hadn't been in the spotlight. They went to people who already had growing cases on them.

 

This post really pings to me. First you say that your vote on Tiinker was essentially a trap vote, then use extremely questionable reasoning to try and make it seem like Tink could be scum after all.

 

Here's the thing. I have a town read on EVERYONE voting Serra. Those that are voting Tink however, I have a scum reading on (Hallia), and two null reads on (you Verbal, and Pral), and the last is Chuckles who just... isn't being an exemplary townie this game if he's town, let's put it that way. So the Tink train looks weak to me.

 

I don't understand how you got to that conclusion.

 

unvote vote Lenlo 

For the most part, everyone who's been posting today are people I have general town reads on. We're practically end game right now and I think scums best bet is to let us rip at each other since they've all kept their head low.

 

... Dude, if you're town, why wouldn't you vote the only other person that's likely to get lynched today other than you (Serra). Voting for an outlier just doesn't make any sense at this point. You trying the "rebel without a cause" thing too? Cause this move is making me doubt my previous read on you. Serra your teammate? He have a juicy role worth protecting? Worth sacrificing yourself for?

 

Official Vote Count:

Serra (4/8): Tina, Krak, BG, Des

Tink (4/8): Verb, Chuckles, Rorsch, Hally

Lenlo (1/8): Tiink

　

Not Voting (5/14):

Nol, Ishy, Razen, Len, Serra

 

Look at that not voting list. Just look at it. Nol is apparently being replaced, so w/e. But everyone else on that list is just scummy as all get out, probably prancing on their little QT together. Ugh makes me sick. Wish we could trilynch in one thread today.

[Tiinker]

 

I don't understand how you got to that conclusion.

 

unvote vote Lenlo 

 

For the most part, everyone who's been posting today are people I have general town reads on. We're practically end game right now and I think scums best bet is to let us rip at each other since they've all kept their head low.

 

... Dude, if you're town, why wouldn't you vote the only other person that's likely to get lynched today other than you (Serra). Voting for an outlier just doesn't make any sense at this point. You trying the "rebel without a cause" thing too? Cause this move is making me doubt my previous read on you. Serra your teammate? He have a juicy role worth protecting? Worth sacrificing yourself for?

 

If the thread is about to be concluded then this vote is about more than just my self-preservation. I had a stronger read on Lenlo and at the time people were commenting as if they could go either way so I stuck with it. I shall be gone for the next 7 - 8 hours.

 

unvote vote Serra

 

[serra]

Here I am, at least for a short while.

 

Firstly, let me apologise for my absence. I thought I'd have more time over this last week, otherwise I wouldn't have let Yates drag me here to begin with. I feel like a massive hypocrite for ranting about everyone lurking and posting fluff. If you guys do end up lynching me, I take full responsibility for our loss, as I'm pretty sure it's MyLo. I'm particularly sorry for Despo, who has really been trying to get this town together.

 

@desp: perhaps I can convince you to come over to MS some time, where the pace is slower, but there's much more content and less sheeping. Plus we (usually) lynch lurkers.

 

Unfortunately, I don't think that Tink is scum either, so I'm sort of stuck between a rock and a hard place. It's commendable that he didn't go straight for me, but his switch is understandable.

 

Desp is town, and my three scumreads for the moment are Krak, Pralaya and Ishy, with Krak being the strongest.

 

Krak is the one actually waiting out the DL.

 

 

Vote Serra for his BPV play and middle of the pack vote on Cloud.  

 

 

 

is his justification for his vote on me, which is just a lazy summary of what BG was saying ages ago.

 

Then, re: desp's case:

 

 

 

Case on Serra:

 

Cloud's confusion about games reads genuine. He's probably not scum here. I disagree with his assessment that cross-thread stuff is spam though.

 

I disagree with the votes on Yates. His RVS is pretty standard.

 

I can agree with the theory that Nolder is scum in one of the three threads as well. I don't think it's this one though.

 

Bg wanting to let Csarmi live here is very dodge. I would say they're either scum here together, or bg is scum in at least 1 if not both of the others.

 

Lenlo is town for questioning Yates also repeating the same post across the 3 threads and encouraging crossreferencing the games.

 

Ishy is wrong about Nolder overanalysing stuff, but his carefree attitude also reads town.

 

Peace misreps Ishy pretty badly by impying Ishy wants Nolder to stop posting. Also, peace wanting to start lynching Csarmi in this thread strikes me as a bit off. I think we might have Peace-scum wanting to get Csarmi-town lynched here before we hit Csarmi scum in 1 and/or 2.

 

dap's post on bg is townie and valid. bg-scum is looking like a serious option, perhaps even without Csarmi-scum.

 

Razen also makes a good point on bg, about his use of "arbitrary",

 

I liked this post initially, but in retrospect it looks a bit funky.

 

Defends Yates as town (not much there since Yates was a symp, but still)  How are you even mentioning this?

 

Says Lenlo is town, for something extremely minor. Not really, there really wasn't that much interesting to comment on, and Lenlo actually considering Yates' posts in context of the 3 threads stood out.

 

Defends Ishy as town. Also states town reads on Nol (in this thread), Cloud, Razen, Dap... the only dude he seems to act like he has anything close to a scum read is Peace. Who flipped town. Scumreads on BG and peace.

 

You may have said that earlier, but you were sure acting as though it might make a difference.

 

If name-claims might be game related, I think it should be pretty obvious why I'm worried by someone baiting claims. If names aren't game related, I really don't see any chance of the pattern of names correlating with alignment.

 

 

Soft claims a PR here. Town Jailkeeper and Vig are dead, Cop is claimed, Doc wouldn't softclaim in a million years... only option for him imo is BPV pretty much (besides other unknown town PR's), and that doesn't seem likely considering he was advocating the BPV out themselves. Could have been wifom, but still. Worth noting. This wasn't actually me softclaiming a PR. This was me being worried about scum finding out ANY of our PR's through name-claims.

 

Alright.  Caught up in this thread.  I think Peace ran a Town gambit.  She could have let it keep going but didn't.  It was pretty obvious when she first made the claim what she was doing.  But maybe it was obvious to me b/c I just caught up in the other thread.  I think Serra reaction tested well and is Townish.

 

Going to be L/A this weekend for birthday shens.  Expect activity in spurts if/when it happens.

 

Yates starts defending Serra as town hardcore after Peace's gambit. So Yates was buddying me... so? Seriously, if I was scum and Yates knew it, he would rather be bussing me.

 

 

Unvote vote Peace

 

Nope. Not ok with fake BS like this.

Think outside the box for a second.  (S)he just saw Verb break down and basically claim scum in T1.  And all Tina had to do was say "Verb is scum" and everyone followed.  Peace saw this as an opportunity to gut check her top scum read, Serra.  Serra did NOT break down like Verb so Peace admitted to the gambit and stopped the lynch.  It was ballsy yes.  But not scummy.  If she had gotten a claim out of Serra?  You'd have a stronger argument.  As it is - no harm, no foul and I feel like Serra and Peace BOTH come out looking Townier for it.

 

 

Moar uberdefense of Serra.

 

Just came back from a festival and I apparently didn't end up getting lynched. Sweet!

 

Before I read up (which might have to be tomorrow, because I'm shattered):

 

Peace is scum. You simply don't get town fake softclaiming cop. The fact that I'm still alive means either the cop was stupid enough to cc, or peace backpedalled before I got lynched to save himself. Please let it be the latter.

 

VOTE: Peace

 

A general comment about cop play: never, ever out yourself before you need to (either to save yourself or a valuable PR), particularly in a game of this size. Lynching one scum is generally not worth losing the cop. Cop results should be breadcrumbed, so the cop should never need to claim before LyLo.

 

Terribad post here.Votes like he isn't caught up yet, tries to look like helpful vet handing out advice about when to claim as cop. Why does Serra automatically assume there's NO WAY Peace isn't the cop if he hadn't caught up yet? Could be that there was a Bus Driver (a town one DID flip in another thread), a Tailor, etc. Again,  I HADN'T caught up. I automatically assumed Peace had recanted because he wasn't voting for me any more and people were voting for him instead, and it people were saying as much on that page. I wasn't actually trying to be helpful, I was upset that our cop would jeopardise himself through such an early claim.

 

Uberscummy post.

 

I'm not voting Serra.

I'm not voting an unCCed Cop [today].

 

What's the case on Peace?  I'm trying to get caught up from the weekend and don't have any obv scum in this thread that I can recall.

 

Lenlo states he won't vote Serra. Doesn't ever give any reasons why he wouldn't.

 

Why does he make it seem like he would vote an unCC'ed Cop BEFORE he'd vote Serra? That's weetaudid.

 

There's little use in giving away a lynch. Saying "oh but we could lose three townies" is fear-mongering. I think you guys are wrong about cloud, but it's still better than giving another kill to scum. Heck, it's even better to remove a townie that would be a liability at LyLo than to No Lynch, so with 8 hours left:

 

VOTE: Cloud

 

Gives justification for helping to lynch someone he thinks of as town. Another uberscummy post. Nothing scummy about that. It is ALWAYS better to lynch someone than to no lynch. We were obviously not lynching anyone else and DL was approaching, so I did what had to be done.

 

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This isn't even counting all the stuff about him trying to get the BPV to out themselves, to help verify that the setups are similar, when you could just WAIT FOR MORE FLIPS, if need be. Outing the BPV would have been a stupid move. He also breadcrumbs the idea of a mass claim, another thing that would be bad for town since it's apparent to me that there are more than enough actual VT's for mafia to hide behind as fake claims.

 

Could easily vote Serra instead of Ishy today. Both have dropped off the map somewhat lately. Serra even moreso. He also dodged most of the conversation that swirled around him during Peace's gambit.

 

 

 

I understand that my play hasn't really been up to scratch. I just can't seem to get any actual scumhunting done in this 72 hour day format, particularly when I have to spend most of my posts defending my ideas about how I think town can win the game. Please don't lynch me because you disagree with my theoretical style of play, though...