Kingdom Hearts Mafia - Game 1 - Destiny Islands [Mafia Win!]

[hazelkrs1]

Just thought of something - be on the lookout for surly behavior. I get the feeling the mafia team is pissed that Mish suicided like she did.

 

Tina already seemed like she wanted to rant about it. WBK seemed pretty surly as well once he came back in to vote. I liked Dap's catch up post, and a lot of it made sense, but he also seemed upset about Mish's play.

 

Just something extra to look for for anyone going back to reread the last few pages

[hazelkrs1]

 

Also Verb, come on man. Just leave this for another day. I think you were acting cautious to gain town cred, you obv are trying to fight that. Why does your activity increase like tenfold if you feel the need to defend yourself? You're not even one of he lynch candidates at this point.

 

Also, vote DPR.

Excellent point on me defending. What does that tell you?

Are you trying to say that you defend yourself more as town or something? I'm actually not as familiar with your meta as others are.

 

Incidentally I have found that the whymefryme technique is actually a lot more solid than I used to think.

[hazelkrs1]

 

WBK needs to stop freaking wasting his vote in games. This "I don't go with the crowd" thing is stupid.

 

Regardless, it looks like we can at least secure a lynch today.

Fine ill quit playing games to please you. Maybe I didn't get involved because I had a crappy day and really didn't want to deal with the for darthe crap today. I decided to cool off before voting. I don't care if find that scummy or not. In fact I really don't give a damn right now.

 

unvote, vote dpr

Why so surly WBK?

 

I never said that you "doing your own thing" was scummy. I just don't think its smart. If there's not a ton of time before deadline or you don't think you'll be able to present a good enough case to convince a lot of others to vote who you are voting for, then putting a vote on an outlier is a throwaway vote. Like voting for Nader or something.

 

Even if you don't like going with the crowd, many times you have to in mafia to accomplish something

[Darthe]

Lol I see this getting taken in an overly suspect direction quickly. It's a good thought though.

[Darthe]

DPR, Verb, Peace, anybody.

 

HMR plz.

[dapianoplay3r]

Just thought of something - be on the lookout for surly behavior. I get the feeling the mafia team is pissed that Mish suicided like she did.

Tina already seemed like she wanted to rant about it. WBK seemed pretty surly as well once he came back in to vote. I liked Dap's catch up post, and a lot of it made sense, but he also seemed upset about Mish's play.

Just something extra to look for for anyone going back to reread the last few pages

Dam right I'm upset

Purposefully getting yourself modkilled is ..... Nice words...... Play and is just awful

 

I'm glad Nol kept the day going. It hampered the mafia teams no hopefully mish is reading thinking about what she did

[Yates]

Good town does not play to survive. They play to help their team win.

I call BS.  If you are Town isn't your job to survive as, you know, a MEMBER OF TOWN???

 

... if you care about getting info then why are you still fighting the towns best chance of achieving a lynch for a second day in a row?

WHAT?!  See above.  This is scummy as hell and I can't believe these words came out of your type hole.

 

Also, if you truly were beloved princess, you'd know that sacrificing yourself with a final vote yesterday was the only town move. You die, no Day 2, and no lynch. You live, Day 1 is basically one long N0 with no Day 1. Same difference.

WHAT IS WRONG WITH YOU PEOPLE?!  Since WHEN is it scummy for Town to NOT want to die??!!

BG - if he is Princess why on EARTH would he sacrifice himself KNOWING we lose a Day???  If he was a VT, you might have an argument.  But why would he CHOOSE to activate the NEGATIVE UTILITY portion of his role???  That's straight up CRAZY talk!!

 

So what's worse for town?

 

1. Lose 1 day with no info

2. Lose 1 day with info

 

I see you chose option 1.

3. Losing TWO days with LIMITED info.  Geeze Louise!

 

 

And these are just the notes from page 32...  I need more beer just to keep reading...

[Darthe]

Actually you lose one. The other is simply wasted. Night twice means that it skips day once, the other day is cost in lynching a townie. Which isn't a big deal since it's a fake claim. You aren't making sense Yates, fits your argument about Mosh and now this. Why are you protecting DPR? Not lynching him already cost us a day. We can't afford to keep that around longer.

[DPR]

Actually you lose one. The other is simply wasted. Night twice means that it skips day once, the other day is cost in lynching a townie. Which isn't a big deal since it's a fake claim. You aren't making sense Yates, fits your argument about Mosh and now this. Why are you protecting DPR? Not lynching him already cost us a day. We can't afford to keep that around longer.

 

No Darthe, you cost this game two days. And Des. Your insistent tunneling has dominated all talk and distracted any investigation in any other direction. I have only defended myself, and I am sure as hell not going to stop doing that.

 

I got a quick chance to check in and check your lies.

 

Lynch me and you get 1 dead Town followed by 2 more NK's.

 

Lynch Halllia and you get one dead whatever - because she sure as hell HASN"T REVEALED. Followed by 1 NK.

 

You do the math.

 

Town needs the info from a lynch with the lowest body count. Anything else at this point is just pissing in the wind. Pirate out. 

[Nolder]

Voting

DPR - Dathe, Tina, Player, GF, Des, BG, Hallia, WBK (8)

Hallia - Yates, Verbal, DPR, Peace, Cloud, Krak, Tiinker (7)
 
Not Voting: 
 
With 15 alive it takes 9 to lynch.Deadline.

[Hallia]

I stated. Vanilla town.

[Yates]

But explain to me why it was in town's best interest to not self vote 5-10 minutes before deadline yesterday? How in any way did that help town? Day 1 was a wash with no info and mafia gets a free kill. We are still down 1 day phase.

That's it.  THAT IS IT!!  FoS: bgrishinko

 

If you people can't figure out why it's bad to activate a NEGATIVE UTILITY you are worthless to this Town or scum trying to create chaos.  In either case, I don't want you in LYLO.

 

 

^ not killing anyone because of his claim literally had the exact same effect as if we lynched him and his ability was real and today got skipped.

Horse manure.  If DPR *had been* lynched I could have never pulled off the gambit that netted us Mish.  Riddle me this, what if Mish had been the hammer on DPR?  Are you trying to pretend that would NOT have earned her Town points??  So DPR flips Princess [-1 Town], Scum gets to kill TWO Town without a vote [-3 Town] AND Mish has Town cred [+1 Scum ~ -2 Town].  So we would be 6 in the hole instead of 1 ahead [-1 Wombat +2 Mish].  How is that "effectively" even REMOTELY the same??

 

FoS: Darthe

 

This is terrible anti-Town logic and you know WAY better than this.  Is this why you waited until I was away thinking you could sneak it in before I saw this steaming pile of crap?

 

Actually, that's not true.  If Verbal is scum he wouldn't know that Mish was a symp.

What??!!  Are you saying scum don't know each other??!!

 

Ugh...  I need MORE beer.

 

1.  I'm not seeing a whole lot of effort from her at this point.  It looks like she's trying to stave off anything of merit in the hope that DPR is lynched quickly.  She posts a couple of "I think so and so is scummy" and then makes no case.

 

2.  Also, I'm not sure if/why Darthe is "Big Game Hunting," but I want to say that you seem to be blinding yourself to other possibilities and other players.  That's not exactly the most worthwhile activity.

 

3.  Also not sure when defending oneself against accusations and questions was suddenly equated with being defensive.  It seems you can't defend without being scummy anymore.

1. Agree 100%.  She promised a case I have yet to see [still page 33 so if it's there later I'm sorry].  Pushing that case off to last minute makes it impossible to evaluate in time.  So it looks like she's secretly hoping the DPR lynch goes off without her on it or we get ANOTHER no lynch.  I am not pleased.

 

2.  Agree 100%.  I can't tell if this is a Town tunnel or a scum tunnel yet but this is not reading in favor of Darthe Town.  And that makes me super sad because Darthe is my bro.

 

3.  Agree 100%.  Guys.  I have something important and game breaking to tell you.  Ready?  Town defends themselves as much as scum does.  Woah!  Did I just blow your mind?!!

 

Also, welcome to the Town pile, Krak!  The beer is better here!  Cheers!

 

/page 33

 

*sigh*

[Nolder]

Voting

DPR - Dathe, Tina, Player, GF, Des, BG, Hallia, WBK (8)

Hallia - Yates, Verbal, DPR, Peace, Cloud, Krak, Tiinker (7)
 
Not Voting: 
 
With 15 alive it takes 9 to lynch.Deadline.

[Verbal32]

Wait....townies defend too?

 

No wai!!!!

[dapianoplay3r]

Yates

On DM sometimes the mafia do not know of the existence or name of their symp. Depending on the setup the symp may know who the mafia are, be able to read the QT, or be completely oblivious and have to send in an action to find the mafia members

[Darthe]

Yates

On DM sometimes the mafia do not know of the existence or name of their symp. Depending on the setup the symp may know who the mafia are, be able to read the QT, or be completely oblivious and have to send in an action to find the mafia members

 

Don't do that.  You just gave him an excuse to not know how Symps work.  He knows.  They have them on MS too I'm pretty sure.  

And to correct this, Symps are practically *NEVER* known about by the mafia.  Symps may know them, but it is a one way street.  That is what makes them a sympathizer.

[bgrishinko]

Yates

On DM sometimes the mafia do not know of the existence or name of their symp. Depending on the setup the symp may know who the mafia are, be able to read the QT, or be completely oblivious and have to send in an action to find the mafia members

I thought that's what the definition of Symp was? What's a symp elsewhere?

[dapianoplay3r]

Who knows

I wasn't sure where Yates was from

 

Still it was bugging me the stuff he said about symps

Atleast now he can't do that anymore

[peacesells]

I think Yates is drunk.

[Darthe]

 

But explain to me why it was in town's best interest to not self vote 5-10 minutes before deadline yesterday? How in any way did that help town? Day 1 was a wash with no info and mafia gets a free kill. We are still down 1 day phase.

That's it.  THAT IS IT!!  FoS: bgrishinko

 

If you people can't figure out why it's bad to activate a NEGATIVE UTILITY you are worthless to this Town or scum trying to create chaos.  In either case, I don't want you in LYLO.

 

 

^ not killing anyone because of his claim literally had the exact same effect as if we lynched him and his ability was real and today got skipped.

Horse manure.  If DPR *had been* lynched I could have never pulled off the gambit that netted us Mish.  Riddle me this, what if Mish had been the hammer on DPR?  Are you trying to pretend that would NOT have earned her Town points??  So DPR flips Princess [-1 Town], Scum gets to kill TWO Town without a vote [-3 Town] AND Mish has Town cred [+1 Scum ~ -2 Town].  So we would be 6 in the hole instead of 1 ahead [-1 Wombat +2 Mish].  How is that "effectively" even REMOTELY the same??

 

FoS: Darthe

 

This is terrible anti-Town logic and you know WAY better than this.  Is this why you waited until I was away thinking you could sneak it in before I saw this steaming pile of crap?

 

 

BG gets that activating negative utility roles is bad.  As a matter of fact, we all do.  However, in the situation that the town pisses away all of their time arguing about whether it is fake claim or not, that person needs to die.  Needs it badly, as a matter of fact.  Don't try and twist that, delaying DPR's death is the biggest detriment to the town available.

 

Using your gambit with Mish as an excuse for why DPR should not have been killed is like using someones ability to murder as a case against why they shouldn't be allowed in public.  You have your times backwards.

Mish would never have hammered DPR if he was scum.  Quite simply, that is sacrificing a big fish with a potential PR for a little one in herself, one that can't even post on the QT.  The only way that Mish would have hammered DPR is if he was town and she chose not to despite having absolutely no reason not to do so.  The only possible explanation is that she needed to protect him.  

 

Who would a symp need to protect Yates?  Badly enough that it cost their life. Your math skills are off buddy.

[Darthe]

Who knows

I wasn't sure where Yates was from

 

Still it was bugging me the stuff he said about symps

Atleast now he can't do that anymore

MafiaScum.

[bgrishinko]

@Yates So what? You'd rather we just never lynch any fake claim that's negative utility? Guess I just found the sure fire way to win as mafia. Claim BP and enjoy the free ride to the end.

[Darthe]

1 hour 18 minutes.

 

We need a hammer.

[Darthe]

@Yates So what? You'd rather we just never lynch any fake claim that's negative utility? Guess I just found the sure fire way to win as mafia. Claim BP and enjoy the free ride to the end.

 

Whoa now, this is a special situation.

 

DPR isn't scum, he is just a town miller BP with a nightly kill and the ability to chat with a few questionable people.

[peacesells]

UNVOTE VOTE DPR

 

Hallia and Verbal are still scum.