BASE MAFIA - Mafia Wins!

[Hallia]

*nodnod* I understand.  I lurk on here a lot, here's hoping if a train started on him I could've got off in time.

[Lenlo]

Official Vote Count (Must keep up with VCs)

Turin(1/8): RTE

Mish(1/8): Tiink
RTE(1/8): TG
Snow(1/8): Chuckles
WoT(1/8): Rand

Rand(1/8): Peace

Tiink(3/8) AJ, Turin, Snow

Note Voting:(5/14)
Mish, WoT, LZM, Dap, Hally

With 14 alive it takes 8 to lynch.
 

[dapianoplay3r]

Lurking isnt good either

 

i didnt see snows post, phone doesnt tell me of updates, but that is a sly little vote. Mafia will ofteen say they have reasons they will explain leter but they never do

 

I expect to see thosevreasons in full later ot major ping

[peacesells]

Lurking isnt good either

 

i didnt see snows post, phone doesnt tell me of updates, but that is a sly little vote. Mafia will ofteen say they have reasons they will explain leter but they never do

 

I expect to see thosevreasons in full later ot major ping

Sly is right.  Says he needs more time to go over everything yet throws in a vote?

[Andrej]

So what are your reads on people Dap?

[dapianoplay3r]

Rand is freaking out but i cant tell if he is town being rand or mafia yet

Snow just stood out but thats to be seen yet

tiink i dont feel his train. I get the pings but gut says no

[dapianoplay3r]

Turin sits at an interesting point for me, his vote legitamised the yrain on tiink. It became a case rather than a d1 randombess thing

dunno how i feel thete

[Darthe]

I'm so proud of you Len!

 

Hey, everyone here likes spiders right?

[Hallia]

I'm so proud of you Len!

 

Hey, everyone here likes spiders right?

*shudder*

[Turin Turambar]

Darthe, I actually got bitten by a spider while sleeping the other night. Freakin elbow swollen for a day and a half.

 

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[Turin Turambar]

Bah..Turin..it is the drugs.  I mix you two up at times.  My post should have said Turin, not Tink.  That explains Andrej's reaction.

 

Andrej is this your first mafia game or just your first one here?

So since you are in agreement that Tiink did not say what you were saying he did, what is your current opinion on Tiink?

[Turin Turambar]

Lurking isnt good either

 

i didnt see snows post, phone doesnt tell me of updates, but that is a sly little vote. Mafia will ofteen say they have reasons they will explain leter but they never do

 

I expect to see thosevreasons in full later ot major ping

You didn't see the post but you saw the vote? and that he stated he would be back with more. I'm a little confused by that.

 

I will agree that I personally do not like it when people say they are going to do something. Just do it or don't.

 

Rand is freaking out but i cant tell if he is town being rand or mafia yet

Snow just stood out but thats to be seen yet

tiink i dont feel his train. I get the pings but gut says no

 

Gut says no. no arguing with your gut.

Turin sits at an interesting point for me, his vote legitamised the yrain on tiink. It became a case rather than a d1 randombess thing

dunno how i feel thete

You don't know how you feel that an actual case was made? Don't we need to make cases in order to find the mafia? There is only going to be one cop view this game. So we the town need to work in order to lynch the right people.

 

All three of these posts have in them a nudge that is trying to stall the Tiink train. Even you said that you feel the pings, so why work to stall?

 

 

 

I need to go to sleep now. Early day tomorrow. Good night.

[dapianoplay3r]

First. Saw the votte in the vote count. Went back

second guts are awesome

third the there was refering to you not the case. I was commenting on the players. Seap the there with 'about turin' if you prefer

 

but yea if i vote him it would put him at halfway to lynch (pretty sure i think) and im not confortable with that

it also violared one of my rules

dont vote unless you would be ok with seeing the person lynched.

At this point its too early and too soon to have that on tiink

[John Snow]

Alright, here we go.

 

First, Turin. The real ping I got from him was this: (and I'm aware that some people will think it's OMGUS. It's not)

 

 

Thanks for confirming AJ.

Rand, that is god awful reasoning. Overeager mafia.

Snow, Rand and a to this point quiet person are your team.

 

My only game related post as of that post: (other two posts were my joke vote and me correcting Len's VC)

 

Tiink,
people new to the game usually have a day 1 pass...chuckles voted AJ in
spite of that. Obviously a joke vote, but that's what Turin is
referring to.

Stop being obstreperous

 

The only thing that I can see that would ping here is me appearing to 'buddy up' to Turin, as Tiink's post was directed at this post of Turin's:

 

I
just wanted him to verify it. Chuckles stated as such and immediately
voted him violating his day 1 pass. Seemed odd. But chuckles likes to
joke.

Thanks for voting RTE.

(which, also this strikes me as odd now that I look at it. Day 1 pass has never covered joke votes. Joke votes are all about pressure, and applying pressure D1 is fine. It's just that lynches are held off. Heck, I'd say pressure is encouraged on Day 1. Helps new people see what they could be doing wrong. But, that's for another thread (and I think we really should have one about the whole concept of the Day 1 'free pass')).

 

Hardly buddying here, more so just making a statement (and, as stated elsewhere, an excuse to use a fancy word ). I suppose one could go to the extent of calling it defending Turin.

However, if I was 'defending' Turin, he would be guilty of the exact same in replying to my post. In fact, twice as guilty as he would be guilty of hypocrisy.

I don't know, that's the only thing that I can read from myself that he would ping on, and it pings me that he would do such in such a matter.

I've probably got something wrong here, so I'd like a bit more explanation for your post there.

 

Time has played before.

Rand is placing a vote in a manner that he can later claim was a joke if he gets called on it.

 

This, gut strikes me as off. Just how it's phrased, it strikes me as off. Lol, it's hard to explain gut feelings. Best way to put it is as if he's placing himself 'above' the game? Again, hard to explain.

 

Wtf is this giving people Day 1 free passes?

Vote Turin

 

Obviously trying to start an argument over nothing, or just being...obstreperous . It's a common policy on DM, no way he didn't know about it. Imo, it didn't apply to this situation, but that's not how Tiink phrased it.

 

 

Dude, a D1 pass is to not scare new players away from the game; give them a chance to learn! Because if not it would become almost a standard to lynch first time players D1 because they're easy to push into a corner, and then we'd never get new players at all. FoS on you for that.

Oh. God.

I know what the flip it is, but you do it by giving them the benefit of the doubt in their argument and acknowledging their scummy play but deciding to not look as much into it as you would an experienced player. Not by standing up and announcing that you're free to do whatever you want since you're a newb. That's abusing your holy "Day 1 get out of jail free" card and using it as a supposedly legit reason for not voting a teammate. 

 

 

Wrong. You look into their scummy play plenty, imo, but you give them a chance to redeem themselves. Further, no one said that a noob is 'free to do whatever you want'.

FoS on Mish for the FoS though. FoS is for when there's a better place to put your vote, but you still suspect a person. Like now

 

 

If I had teammates, then no. That's a silly question and an obvious trap.

 

Alright, bullshanks on this whole 'trap' thing. Throwing around the whole 'teammate' thing is about as common as using 'scummy' or other like words. It's just part of how words are thrown around.

FoS on all the people who joined onto that so easily, too.AJ has an excuse, but experienced players should know that.

 

Good lord people. I wake up to this. Tiink. All tge day one pass means is we call them out for scummy things but ee dont lynch them for it. Most noobs will learn from it and be better for it,, if they reallly are very scummy they get saved until day two.
I donnt know why thats knotting your panties somuch. If they are mafia they will probably even givevus more info left alive that phase longer.
Now this whole argument is distracting from everything. If you truely disagree and arent just trying to cause drama make a thread pn the mafia boards and discuss the day one noob card

 

Bold is what I was thinking as I read through the 'day 1' argument, but, hey, it got the ball rolling and started some game related posts.

 

Look, the people who think they're going to have a hard time have a mentor. The others think they can deal with the consequences. There isn't an excuse for acting scummy enough to get lynched. I'm very willing to give them the benefit of the doubt but I'm not going to let them scoot through no matter what. My original post was just a small stab which got turned into some over dramatic flare and while the argument was based off something unspecific to the game, I think we got something worthwhile out of it. AJ strikes me as town while Mish does not.

 

No, your original post was not 'a small stab'. It was feigning ignorance to something that is common policy. Which leads me to wonder what you hoped to accomplish with it. Food for thought.

 

 

Oh please you knew tge trap. Just admit it and stop pretending to be obtuse

 

Why wouldn't I admit it? To what gain? So you assume me town if you think I'm setting up traps. Or know I'm town?

 

Traps are hardly only town. Mafia and town try equally to set traps and ensnare their enemies. You should know that Tiink, which means you're trying to sneak in a 'proof' that you're town here, and I find that suspect.

 

 

Lurking isnt good either

i didnt see snows post, phone doesnt tell me of updates, but that is a sly little vote. Mafia will ofteen say they have reasons they will explain leter but they never do

I expect to see thosevreasons in full later ot major ping

Sly is right.  Says he needs more time to go over everything yet throws in a vote?

 

I try to go over everything in detail when I get a chance. I did a couple read-throughs when I got a chance on my breaks at work, and I threw a vote where my gut was telling me to at that point.

Then, I go back and do a detailed look at the posts and do a multi-quote with everything I see that strikes me as off. That's pretty much how I'm going to be playing going forward. Deal with it.

 

After all of this, I'm going to unvote, Vote Turin

Something here just strikes me as off, and I think some pressure is needed here.

FoS on Mish and Tiink. As to the whole Rand argument, I still can't see where the train came from and where his pingy posts were. Going to look over it for awhile and see what I make of it.

[dapianoplay3r]

I like that you went back. My original qualm with that was mafia often say what you said but never do go back, it's meant to be a learning game so I thought I'd mention it out loud (which means you may have gone back to prove me wrong but who can say)

 

I do find it interesting that on looking back you changed your vote.

 

The rand thing was him arguing with me over is joke vote. He was very very defensive over not that much

[Tiinker]

I'm going to take this time now to say that the Basel game we just played was the first game I'd played on DM in a long while and was unaware that you guys had decided to go and make it an unwritten rule. Doesn't stop me from thinking it's a bad policy, but I wasn't "feigning ignorance".

[ReleaseTheEvil]

I'm going to take this time now to say that the Basel game we just played was the first game I'd played on DM in a long while and was unaware that you guys had decided to go and make it an unwritten rule. Doesn't stop me from thinking it's a bad policy, but I wasn't "feigning ignorance".

 

It took you this long to just come out and say this?

[Turin Turambar]

Dap, fair enough I suppose.

 

Snow, I am finding it odd that you are still agreeing with what I am saying. You seem to be following my line on Tiink. Yet refuse to vote him and instead vote me all the while claiming you did not buddy up and that your vote is not an omgus. The good old "something is off" line when there is no real case on the person you want to lynch. I'm thinking I was right with my initial estimate of the mafia team except Tiink is most likely the third.

 

Mods, is there a deadline?

[Tiinker]

 

I'm going to take this time now to say that the Basel game we just played was the first game I'd played on DM in a long while and was unaware that you guys had decided to go and make it an unwritten rule. Doesn't stop me from thinking it's a bad policy, but I wasn't "feigning ignorance".

 

It took you this long to just come out and say this?

 

Well it wasn't until now that I realized that it was actually considered DM policy. 

[Andrej]

Dap, fair enough I suppose.

 

Snow, I am finding it odd that you are still agreeing with what I am saying. You seem to be following my line on Tiink. Yet refuse to vote him and instead vote me all the while claiming you did not buddy up and that your vote is not an omgus. The good old "something is off" line when there is no real case on the person you want to lynch. I'm thinking I was right with my initial estimate of the mafia team except Tiink is most likely the third.

 

Mods, is there a deadline?

This is extremely unofficial, obviously, but I think we've got about 24 hours left unless we get extended because it's the weekend.

[John Snow]

Dap, fair enough I suppose.

 

Snow, I am finding it odd that you are still agreeing with what I am saying. You seem to be following my line on Tiink. Yet refuse to vote him and instead vote me all the while claiming you did not buddy up and that your vote is not an omgus. The good old "something is off" line when there is no real case on the person you want to lynch. I'm thinking I was right with my initial estimate of the mafia team except Tiink is most likely the third.

 

Mods, is there a deadline?

 

If I was buddying up, then your actions were just as like, as I said earlier.

 

Going to read through and see how Tiink's responses measure in with his new defense in a couple hours. Odd that he wouldn't have said something earlier in any case, since we were all pretty much stating that it was DM policy.

[Tiinker]

Gong Xi Fa Cai to all! Happy Chinese New Year  

[Andrej]

 

 

The only reason to give anyone a free pass on D1 is if you know that they're not the threat, and the only way to know that is to be the threat yourself. How is that not blatantly obvious?

The blatantly obvious thing I mentioned.

 

 

>> 

Dude, a D1 pass is to not scare new players away from the game; give them a chance to learn! Because if not it would become almost a standard to lynch first time players D1 because they're easy to push into a corner, and then we'd never get new players at all. FoS on you for that.

 

Oh. God.

 

I know what the flip it is, but you do it by giving them the benefit of the doubt in their argument and acknowledging their scummy play but deciding to not look as much into it as you would an experienced player. Not by standing up and announcing that you're free to do whatever you want since you're a newb. That's abusing your holy "Day 1 get out of jail free" card and using it as a supposedly legit reason for not voting a teammate. 

 

 

The second quote about looking for a reason to avoid voting teammates.

 

So, what did I misunderstand here?

 

 

Are you trying to put emphasis on the fact that I made one point and then another instead of putting them together? Unless you disagree with one of the things I pointed out I don't see what you're trying to get at.

 

 

 

I'm just pointing out that they contradict each other. Your first point says that someone wouldn't give a pass unless they already knew the one they were giving it to was clear of being scum, being scum themselves. In the next post, you say that it's a cheap tactic for avoiding voting for a teammate. I just wanted clarification.

 

 

And if your main purpose was to throw out several options of why someone would give a new player a pass on D1, when it usually is standard in Mafia games, you're just creating WIFOM.

 

vote Tiink

This was what kind of drew the line for me when I placed my vote. It had been mentioned several times during the argument by myself and other players that it was common practice at DM.

[Andrej]

Also, I think Turin has done some buddying up most of this game. First by wanting to confirm that indeed I was a brand new player and bringing up the fact that Chucky had voted me despite, which in turn sparked the argument with Tiink over the whole thing. He could just be offering advice to a new player like me, but several times he's made comments about gameplay or potential methods of someone's play. Could be genuine, or he could be attempting to gain some town-cred for helping out the new guy.

[Hallia]

Also, I think Turin has done some buddying up most of this game. First by wanting to confirm that indeed I was a brand new player and bringing up the fact that Chucky had voted me despite, which in turn sparked the argument with Tiink over the whole thing. He could just be offering advice to a new player like me, but several times he's made comments about gameplay or potential methods of someone's play. Could be genuine, or he could be attempting to gain some town-cred for helping out the new guy.

 

It might be a combination of both.  In our Hanger 18 game (my first game)  Nolder was really helpful to me.  And then he was mafia XD