[ADVANCED] Forsaken in the White Tower: Town wins!

[Talya]

The nightkill has put a little doubt on Lenlo's and cloud's claims, however doesn't automatically mean they are mafia. 

 

There slao seems to be something going odd between Pandy and Peace, they agree with each all the time, follow each other on votes etc...very odd indeed. Not saying they are both Mafia, but wouldn't be surprised if one was. I prefer Peace out of the two of them. Peace and RTE also had that barny yesterday and it just looked a bit contrived. RTE's tantrum and not voting could be telling, or he really did get wound up and went off to before he said something he may regret. I don't know the guy to know if he would do this. At the moment torn between Peace and RTE. 

 

So I think I will go with gut and VOTE PEACE

[dapianoplay3r]

RTE is very new and in his last game got led up the garden path. In saying the he is playing differently

[ruairidh7]

Dead already, booo.

 

Come on town!

[Talya]

Hmmm...so hasn't played much, so he could have got frustrated, rather than it being contrived, but still could have voted. how many games has he played?

[dapianoplay3r]

3 maybe 4.

But that was more just for you not to shout at him for something forgivable. He didnt have any arguments like that to my knowledge so i do think it is something to look at.

It did feel contrived annd peace is certainly not new

[Talya]

I wouldn't shout at anyone...haha

 

I know Peace has been around for ages, which if only one is mafia, Peace may have set it up to make RTE look like he is mafia...maybe he was hoping he would react like that! 

[dapianoplay3r]

I mean this in the nicest posdible way RTE but you would be one of the easiest to get into such a trap being new

 

still im ginna attempt to leave that for today abd see if they interact again or try stay distant

[Niniel]

Two kills - means multiple factions or an SK?  Is a mail carrier a power role?

 

Are you Fain?

 

 

It took me a loooooooooong time to re-read and take notes. Before I always used the nights to re-read but after being night killed a lot I decided to not do that anymore. It sucks to put down a lot of work and then die. 

 

People that I´m suspicious of: Kaylee, Time, Talya, TGlems, Player, Kae

 

I´m going to vote TGlems. His early list was strange and one of the reasons I think Player is scum with him is that he forgot Player´s name. No strong evidence at all but that is my reason for voting TGlems. He has been laying low all game too - making some popular comments here and there. 

[Basel Gill]

Vote count:

Darthe (1): Peace
Moon (2): Pandy, Player
Ishy (1): TG

RTE (3): Kaylee, Rand, Peace

Peace (1): Talya

TG (1): Tina

Not voting (9): Everyone else

With 18 alive, it takes 10 to lynch. Deadline is Fri. Jan. 25th at 9 PM EST.

 

http://www.timeanddate.com/countdown/generic?iso=20130125T21&p0=422

[dapianoplay3r]

See it was strange he forgot my name. He managed to say no read on everyone else he didnt get a read on, why leave me out

[cosmicpanda]

I am a town doublevoter. When I make a vote, it will count as two votes. It's just called an anonymous vote. You guys don't need to worry about it too much, unless I make a mistake and get you lynched too soon

 

This is Cloud's claim. Something that bothers me about it is that he stresses the fact that he's a town double voter. We seem to have proof that he's a double voter, sure, but that doesn't mean he's town. The way in which he has tried to use the proof of his role as proof of his alignment gives me the heebie-jeebies. The way Darthe seems to totally buy into it should not be forgotten. 

 

But I'm happy to stay with my vote on Moon for the moment. 

[_CLOUD]

Hmm so I'm still alive. How fun. 

 

What is a Mail Carrier btw? I can't seem to find the role on the wiki. 

[_CLOUD]

 

I am a town doublevoter. When I make a vote, it will count as two votes. It's just called an anonymous vote. You guys don't need to worry about it too much, unless I make a mistake and get you lynched too soon

 

This is Cloud's claim. Something that bothers me about it is that he stresses the fact that he's a town double voter. We seem to have proof that he's a double voter, sure, but that doesn't mean he's town. The way in which he has tried to use the proof of his role as proof of his alignment gives me the heebie-jeebies. The way Darthe seems to totally buy into it should not be forgotten. 

 

But I'm happy to stay with my vote on Moon for the moment. 

 

I don't think I would have taken that kind of risk if I were a mafia doublevoter, which you seem to be implying. 

[peacesells]

Basil, remove my vote from Darthe, unless I have a power I don't know about.

[cosmicpanda]

Cloud, I've seen people use safeclaims early in the game. 

[Kaylee]

I mean this in the nicest posdible way RTE but you would be one of the easiest to get into such a trap being new

 

still im ginna attempt to leave that for today abd see if they interact again or try stay distant

I see your point and would be willing to switch to Peace.

[peacesells]

If you guys are gonna insist that I "set up" RTE.  Please show where that happened.

[Darthe]

To answer the question about why I didn't vote for Darthe, it was because it seemed obvious to me that a train on him would go nowhere. I assumed that if no one would vote for him after noticing what Panda and I have, then you never would. But I'll see if I can change that.

 

 

Vote Darthe.

 

I am reading through for claims and this still seems vague and very... tied together to me.  What did you mean here Ishy?  Also, why aren't you hunting teh scumz moar?

[Darthe]

Im sorry Ishy, but we were asked and we are the only two trains that people are going to be willing to lynch. I really think Moon is a better lynch today but I am obviously not going to be able to get 10 more people to move to her in the span of 7 hours.

 

This was ironic.  BTW, with two trains popping out of nowhere for literally no reason (or at least weak reasoning) and a third with literally no explanation I think it is interesting to see how many people said things like this.. and then popped up to vote some other random ass person.

 

 Let's all face it, mafia forced three reveals D1 and then sent it to no lynch.  We got our asses handed to us day one and it was because of how much people can rely on lurking now as opposed to playing.  If we can't have stronger presence than them we can't reliably win.  

 

Meh, just my two cents.  

[Darthe]

1. Time
2. Kaylee
3. Peace
4. Cloud Thom Town Doublevoter
5. Darthe Nynaeve, Town 
6. Tiink
7. Hallia Roo Theodrin, Vanilla Town, killed Night 1
8. TG
9. Tress Leane, Town Mail Carrier, killed Night 1
10. Moon
11. Len Birgette Town Vanilla
12. Mish Kronos
13. Kae
14. Rand Elayne Town Vanilla
15. Tina
16. Pandy
17. Ishy
18. Player
19. Talya
20. RTE

 

 

I think this is right?

[Tyler Glembo]

 

Two kills - means multiple factions or an SK?  Is a mail carrier a power role?

 

Are you Fain?

 

 

It took me a loooooooooong time to re-read and take notes. Before I always used the nights to re-read but after being night killed a lot I decided to not do that anymore. It sucks to put down a lot of work and then die. 

 

People that I´m suspicious of: Kaylee, Time, Talya, TGlems, Player, Kae

 

I´m going to vote TGlems. His early list was strange and one of the reasons I think Player is scum with him is that he forgot Player´s name. No strong evidence at all but that is my reason for voting TGlems. He has been laying low all game too - making some popular comments here and there. 

 

I also didn't list my thoughts on Tiink or Ishy which you ignore.  As I said earlier, I left out people who hadn't contributed enough to the game to say anything at all about.   

 

As for my vote on Ishy, I went back through and looked, and so far Ishy has 45 posts.  Out of those 45, not a single one of them is scumhunting, 8 of them have been discussing mechanics and setup, 10 of them have been buddying up, and the rest are fluff joking around things.  He then has those two very strange joke posts right around N1.  The only bit of "scumhunting" he did was a very soft vote on Darthe that he backed off from.

 

I've played with Ishy before and when he is scum this is exactly how he plays.  He buddies up, posts fluff, doesn't scum hunt, and occasionally defends other players and says he think they are town so that he looks like he is actively playing and casing.

Ishy is definitely scum. 

[Tyler Glembo]

Kae and Tress dead yet?

 

 

Seriously, think about it, a random could have taken out the Cop or Doc. Or even worse for Town's chances to win, me.

 

These are the two very weird posts I was mentioning.  Ishy has no real content posts so far this game, but amongst all his joke posts these are the worst.  In addition to the fact that Tress died that night (spreads WIFOM, unhelpful to town at all) in the second joking post Ishy is using setup talk to push how very town he is while making a joke out of it.  It also strikes me as a subtle slip where he isn't saying he is town, but rather somehow separate from it.

[Tyler Glembo]

 

To answer the question about why I didn't vote for Darthe, it was because it seemed obvious to me that a train on him would go nowhere. I assumed that if no one would vote for him after noticing what Panda and I have, then you never would. But I'll see if I can change that.

 

 

Vote Darthe.

 

I am reading through for claims and this still seems vague and very... tied together to me.  What did you mean here Ishy?  Also, why aren't you hunting teh scumz moar?

 

 

 

Im sorry Ishy, but we were asked and we are the only two trains that people are going to be willing to lynch. I really think Moon is a better lynch today but I am obviously not going to be able to get 10 more people to move to her in the span of 7 hours.

 

This was ironic.  BTW, with two trains popping out of nowhere for literally no reason (or at least weak reasoning) and a third with literally no explanation I think it is interesting to see how many people said things like this.. and then popped up to vote some other random ass person.

 

 Let's all face it, mafia forced three reveals D1 and then sent it to no lynch.  We got our asses handed to us day one and it was because of how much people can rely on lurking now as opposed to playing.  If we can't have stronger presence than them we can't reliably win.  

 

Meh, just my two cents.  

 

Bolded the relevant parts. 

[Darthe]

I like your instincts on Ishy, I am concerned with him so far.  

[WolfbrotherKronos]

I think that TG puts out some good points.  During my reread I caught up on that Ishy is posting a lot of fluff.

 

vote Ishy