[ADVANCED] KaeKey Game of Thrones Mafia - GAME OVER! NIGHT'S WATCH WINS!

[Kaylee]

Unofficial Vote Count

 

Rand (4) - Razen, Songs, Kaylee, Verbal

BG (4) - Darthe, peace, Rand, Ishy

Verbal (1) - EP

Razen (1) - Despo

Eddie (1) - Nolder

JLM (1) - Red

Despo (1) - Eddie

Dice (1) Basel

Songstress (2) Nightstrike, BG

 

Not voting (6) WoT, Cyan, Misheru, JLM, Dice, John Snow

 

 

With 22 alive, it takes 12 to lynch.

 

 

DEADLINE: http://timeanddate.c...iso=20121016T16

[John E. Kelley]

Unvote. Vote Rand.

[RandA lThor]

Ishy, are you seriously just randomly train hopping? If necessary, I will reveal my role before I go to sleep, because I can guarantee no more activity after that, and I want to give town a chance to switch trains.

[John E. Kelley]

Oh, so now you appear.

 

How very convenient.

[RandA lThor]

Oh yeah, very convenient. Except for the fact that I have a college anthropology class from 7:00 - 8:20 that made me go away, had dinner when I came back and watched the Colbert Report. Kthxbye. I can give you a link to the class description if you want. Kind of getting tired of this whole very convenient thing.

[John E. Kelley]

Aggressiveness. I must have hit a nerve.

 

And try to claim a sensor role. Or something equally useless.

 

*waits breathlessly*

[RandA lThor]

Aggressiveness. I must have hit a nerve.

 

And try to claim a sensor role. Or something equally useless.

 

*waits breathlessly*

 

No, I'm aggressive because I have been told this for my past 3 games. You know, eventually, there is a 100% probability that someone will show up at the moment when things are happening. Its like saying that because I have been scum in the past 3 games, I will be one this game. Horrible reasoning, makes absolutely no sense.

[John E. Kelley]

Aggressiveness. I must have hit a nerve.

 

And try to claim a sensor role. Or something equally useless.

 

*waits breathlessly*

 

No, I'm aggressive because I have been told this for my past 3 games. You know, eventually, there is a 100% probability that someone will show up at the moment when things are happening. Its like saying that because I have been scum in the past 3 games, I will be one this game. Horrible reasoning, makes absolutely no sense.

 

But that has no bearing now though. I haven't played with you in months, so whatever you've done recently is nothing to me.

 

*still waiting for a transparent role claim*

[RandA lThor]

Aggressiveness. I must have hit a nerve.

 

And try to claim a sensor role. Or something equally useless.

 

*waits breathlessly*

 

No, I'm aggressive because I have been told this for my past 3 games. You know, eventually, there is a 100% probability that someone will show up at the moment when things are happening. Its like saying that because I have been scum in the past 3 games, I will be one this game. Horrible reasoning, makes absolutely no sense.

 

But that has no bearing now though. I haven't played with you in months, so whatever you've done recently is nothing to me.

 

*still waiting for a transparent role claim*

 

What I'm saying is that there is a 100% probability that you will come up once at exactly the right time. My probability lately had it happen to me in the past few games, that's just random probability. If you calculate the exact times of this happening, of every time I pop up and the probability of something big happening, you'll realize that it's not that small. And not only that, its not like I have been actively lurking this game either. I made a post a few hours ago as well before I left for college.

[RandA lThor]

OK going to sleep, revealing now, might not have time later. I am a JOAT. Each night, I am PMed my role and I get to decide who to use it on. Last night I got a doc which I almost used on EP but then later decided to use on myself. I am Syrio Forel btw. Don't know if this fits canon or not since I have neither seen or watched Game of Thrones.

[dicetosser1]

hmmm i think Rands sudden "i do have a power role actually" was a bit opportunistic and Joat would make a good cover claim for a scum. im a little unsure if i should believe him or not. Will be nearby for a couple of hours so i will think and vote later on

[Nolder]

Hey guys I'm back and I have no memory of any of the games I was in

I'm gonna try to do a reread and post tomorrow but any summary anyone can give me would be awesome thanks

 

You are a terrible drunk then.

Hey guys I'm back and I have no memory of any of the games I was in

I'm gonna try to do a reread and post tomorrow but any summary anyone can give me would be awesome thanks

 

Good Lord son, you're going to have to do better with the drinking then. Come stay in Charleston for a week or two, I'll have you in fighting form in no time.

I'm confused by these statements

[John E. Kelley]

Hey guys I'm back and I have no memory of any of the games I was in

I'm gonna try to do a reread and post tomorrow but any summary anyone can give me would be awesome thanks

 

You are a terrible drunk then.

Hey guys I'm back and I have no memory of any of the games I was in

I'm gonna try to do a reread and post tomorrow but any summary anyone can give me would be awesome thanks

 

Good Lord son, you're going to have to do better with the drinking then. Come stay in Charleston for a week or two, I'll have you in fighting form in no time.

I'm confused by these statements

 

I'm not surprised.....

[Nolder]

Hey guys I'm back and I have no memory of any of the games I was in

I'm gonna try to do a reread and post tomorrow but any summary anyone can give me would be awesome thanks

 

You are a terrible drunk then.

Hey guys I'm back and I have no memory of any of the games I was in

I'm gonna try to do a reread and post tomorrow but any summary anyone can give me would be awesome thanks

 

Good Lord son, you're going to have to do better with the drinking then. Come stay in Charleston for a week or two, I'll have you in fighting form in no time.

I'm confused by these statements

 

I'm not surprised.....

I brought back a shot glass if it makes a difference

I'll take a picture of it sometime

[hazelkrs1]

Sup guys, I'm back. I mentioned I would be a bit more inactive with me being off, and I ended up being crazy busy with family stuff (went to Fall for Greenville every day of the festival!). Anyhoo, I'll try to just jump back into the fray

 

Their are some recent developments that def concern me. One person- ahh screw it lemme grab the quote

 

Rand, at this rate you're going to be a consolidation if you don't speak. Do you have anything to say?

 

At this point there weren't really any trains that had that many voters on em, the game has been particularly slow this day phase. For Darthe to single out Rand as the "consolidation" pick just seems kinda weird. Yeah, he had the most votes, but at the time that was like 3 votes I think?

 

Darthe then follows it up with this:

 

Not to push here or anything but it takes 12 to lynch and there are 21 hours left.

 

Rand is at L-8 with 4 votes on him.

 

Tress is suddenly at L-9 with 3 votes on her.

 

BG is at L-10 with 2 votes on him.

 

These are our leading people... I do not like the tress lynch because of its' speed. BG is obv scum. Still, we need some consolidation and if you are a power role and one of these three people we are boned if we do not know by early tomorrow.

 

So here's the thing. If someone has 2 votes on them, it really doesn't make them that much better of a consolidation pick than someone with no votes on them at all. Darthe seems like he's trying to look like a helpful townie, and even at that he seems insecure. "Not to push here or anything"

 

Had a soft scum read on Darthe from earlier in the game, and this just prickles my hair even moar.

 

Something else which stood out recently was Ishy's play, he seems to be trying to look openly scummy. Vote-hopping with reckless abandon, obvious rolefishing, etc.

 

Aggressiveness. I must have hit a nerve.

 

And try to claim a sensor role. Or something equally useless.

 

*waits breathlessly*

 

No, I'm aggressive because I have been told this for my past 3 games. You know, eventually, there is a 100% probability that someone will show up at the moment when things are happening. Its like saying that because I have been scum in the past 3 games, I will be one this game. Horrible reasoning, makes absolutely no sense.

 

But that has no bearing now though. I haven't played with you in months, so whatever you've done recently is nothing to me.

 

*still waiting for a transparent role claim*

 

Incidentally, how exactly is a sensor useless? There are MANY situations in which a sensor can be more useful than a cop. Sensor is one of the most overpowered town investigative roles, esp if it can stay hidden till close to endgame.

 

Anyhoo, for the obvious rolefishing, I gotta say Ishy pings pretty hard lately.

 

As far as Rand's claim, it isn't that great tbh.

 

JOAT is known for being a relatively easy claim for a scum to fake, and JOAT doesn't really fit Syrio Forel that well at ALL. Plus, claiming Syrio in the first place is a bit sketchy, in that it's minor enough to prob not be in the game, which is why mafia could have easily tried using that as a fake character claim.

 

So I have no problem (Unvote) voting Rand, esp with the deadline coming up quick.

[hazelkrs1]

Okay, I have been thinking about this all weekend. Originally I was suspicious of Red 2.0 for her 180 regarding NS after coming back into the game, and thought it meant that she was possibly scummates with him. Then Peace claimed that NS is town. Since Peace hasn't been CCed yet, I'm going to give him the benefit of the doubt and assume that he is telling the truth. So if NS is town, then that means that Red wasn't covering for a teammate. Logically, this then gives me a town read on Red. (This is presuming Peace's info on NS is accurate, but NS currently strikes me as a townie who just doesn't know (or care, for that matter) how to play effectively.) So I began looking at the people who have been going after Red.

 

Forgot to mention, this post pinged me for all kinds of reasons.

 

First, to the bolded: how would Peace have been CC'ed when he never claimed anything? In fact, judging from the oddness of how things were going at that time, I kinda doubt Peace got his info from a normal viewing. Either way, why would a townie care about how Peace got his info? They wouldn't. Mafia would they, as they'd be interested in finding town power roles. Basel could have slipped that bit in about there not being a CC to try and draw one out, or to provoke Peace into telling more about his role or something. Neither of those are pro-town moves.

 

To the italics: Since you're basically implying with your post that Peace is a cop, then why should you automatically clear Nightstrike even if you "believe" Peace? You're ignoring the possibility that Nightstrike could be GF, or that Peace's investigation results could have been tampered with or something.

 

To the underlined:

 

Eh? How in the world could you instantly come to that conclusion? Red 2.0 could have easily replaced Nightstrike and just decided to defend him, if he is town, to gain townie cred for herself. She could be mafia but didn't want to pursue the NS lynch cause I fos'd her and others for setting up lynches during the night. Or, it could be that she IS teammates with NS and he's the GF. Too many possibilities here.

 

Not to mention, even if you do now have a town read on Red, why should you think going after those who seemed to be going after Red is a sound scumhunting technique? You yourself admitted you were suspicious of her new incarnation. So you think that other people doing the same thing you were could be mafia? And what about the fact that townies start off with no info about who the mafia could be, so you going after peeps that were going after Red could easily just be you making misguided townies look scummy.

 

Major FOS for this post Basel.

 

Right now, my top scum reads are Razen, BG, Darthe, and Basel.

[hazelkrs1]

Actually, just took a look at the votes on Rand, and I gotta say I'm not liking that train (Razen I got a scum read on, Verb was a bandwagon vote without any reasoning, and Ishy was vote hopping like crazy).

 

Unvote, Vote BG

 

I think some of the flim flam that has been posted lately has been designed to try and hide fos's and votes on a mafioso, and BG would be a good candidate for that. Plus I don't like how he escaped yesterday's lynch just to fly under the radar pretty much today.

 

I'm also going to go ahead and finally do my case on Razen like I said I would, sorry in advance for the quad post

[hazelkrs1]

First Razen started out the game very spammy, I didn't want to quote each post of those for reference, but just go back yourself and lookit the first 2-3 pages. Once the game actually got underway tho, Razen's activity went waaaay down, and in the last 20 pages he's had literally ONE post.

 

Some other stuff-

 

The sun will shine today! Vote: Nol.

 

Opened the game with a vote on Nol, and btw altho a few people were joking about lynching Nol early, only ONE person had their vote on Nol when he activated his role: Razen.

 

Unvote.

 

Unvotes without commenting on the mod confirmed alignment of his target or any other recent developments

 

Hello.

 

vote verbal

 

In the spirit of day one tradition

 

Damn son, time to let that go? I double-crossed you in a game over 3 years ago!!! Or maybe twice...dunno. You tried to kill me on Night freakin' ZERO last game! I think we're even now?

lol is this for real?

 

Actually I'd like to deduce that Verb is mafia from this. Though I mostly just wanted to say duce. However I will vote Verbal

 

I'd love to hear your thought process on that one. Or lack thereof....

 

Interesting reaction. EP, I'd like to hear what you have to say too.

 

Where's Despo? I haven't seen him post yet. I'd like to hear from him.

 

Key, I was happy to see your here! Missed you

 

I was just about to say that, Kaylee! Nice to see you around Key!

 

These are the posts which initially made me wary of Razen. Within 5 minutes, he prods two different high profile players, asking for thoughts. This is just extremely sketchy behavior in my book, it's just a lazy attempt to use polarizing mafia players to stir the pot so scum can lurk in the background. After fos'ing Razen for this, he came back with:

 

RE: Des- I prodded you to see how you'd react. Normally, you are pretty active, so I thought that I'd say something to see how quickly it took you to pop into the game. I have a feeling that you were checking in on a QT and plotting with your teammates before getting your hands dirty here.

 

Razen hasn't played with me a ton of games, but he's played with me enough to know my sleep schedule. The fact that he asked for my thoughts around daytime, when I hadn't even seen the thread yet, then tries to act like I was checking in on a QT is just plain scummy. We've been through this in other games- throwing out the whole "What are they saying on yalls QT lulz?" thing is a copout mafia statement

 

Ed = Eddard = Ned. just saying

 

this is not news to me.

 

What QT was this copied from? It's like the second or third thing you posted like that.

 

I wasn't imagining things then! I noticed that before and thought that it was my computer acting strangely at first.

 

Adds fuel to the fire about EP c/p'ing from a QT. It has already pretty much been established that this theory is bunk; if you highlight some text and copy it, then go to a diff page or something before pasting, it does a strange format. C/P'ing from a QT copies the font as well tho, and it stands out much more.

 

We can trust you. But we shouldn't blindly take whatever you say. It comes into question whether or not you know something for fact or suspect it.

That is all we want to know. It's not that we don't trust you, but you can't go about and spew whatever the hell you like as if you are getting it from the Mafia Gods no one else can hear because you are the Holy Confirmed One.

 

^ This. It's one thing to say that you believe EP and Snow to be town. It's another thing entirely to KNOW that they are town. Even if you are mod confirmed doesn't mean that you automatically know these things. People trust what you say because you have been confirmed for now. So unless you're absolutely certain that they are town, your trust at this stage of the game could actually help them out if they were mafia.

 

That said, I believe that EP is town due to the character that he claimed (regardless of the play style before that). But that doesn't mean that is set 100% in stone. Snow I'm not certain of.

 

I also happen to agree with what Misheru posted about Basel. Voting for EP in light of the character he claimed is absolutely a scummy move unless there's information there that the rest of us aren't privy to. I still think Rand's cheerleading, trying not to draw too much attention to himself.

 

And...nvm. I see now that Nol said he DID know that for a fact. So given that Snow and EP are both claimed town by the mod-confirmed townie, I think that Rand is still the way to go.

 

OK Nolder, answer me this, do you know he is town or do you think he is town.

 

Second the question. If Nol can provide a good explanation for his so-called knowledge that Snow and EP are town, I would unvote EP. But as things currently are, Nol seems to be acting as though being a mod-confirmed townie somehow makes him a better scumhunter. Really, Nol? Having a town read on someone does not mean that you know they are town. So please quit dodging the question that so many have asked: exactly how do you "know" they are town?

 

It's pretty obvious how he knows that they are town.

 

I thought this was a funny group of posts. Within minutes, Razen goes from still doubting EP and Snow, regardless of Nol's thoughts on the matter, to suddenly "realizing" Nol said he KNEW they were town, to a second later claiming that it's "obvious" how he knows they are town. 1) it's not obvious since there are multiple explanations, 2) so obvious you yourself didn't catch it until moments before?

 

Reading Red's quotes that she pulled, I just was struck by an odd idea.

 

If Nol claimed that he knows that both EP and Snow are both town, then how is it that EP is joining a train on him? Something's not sitting right with me with the whole knowing business. I will go back to check the exact timestamps, but if I recall correctly, this was before Nol had said that he knew that they were both town, but after Nol was mod confirmed as town. So even if they were trying to hide that fact, it's still a VERY strange vote coming from him.

 

I'd like to hear an explanation about that. So much so that if we weren't this close to the deadline, I'd be voting for one of them. But given that I have class all morning tomorrow (and no computer allowed), I'm going to unvote, vote: Basel.

 

Scumtastic post. Moar trying to discredit EP and Snow, trying to go back on his opinion that Nol DOES know about them, buddying up to Red's cases, and throwing out a consolidation vote on Basel without giving any thoughts pertaining to his claim or anything

 

My vote will go to the cheerleader in chief. Vote: Rand. Given what happened overnight, I think slowing down and taking the time to talk about things before moving forward is a better option that a speedlynch.

 

This is his last post in 20 pages. He has spouted out the "cheerleader Rand" thing out like it's mouth vomit and he just ate two banannas and drank a 2 liter of sprite.

 

Really wish yall had paid attention to me on Razen, if the deadline wasn't right around the corner (10 hoursish?) I'd still be pushing his lynch.

[Basel Gill]

Okay, I have been thinking about this all weekend. Originally I was suspicious of Red 2.0 for her 180 regarding NS after coming back into the game, and thought it meant that she was possibly scummates with him. Then Peace claimed that NS is town. Since Peace hasn't been CCed yet, I'm going to give him the benefit of the doubt and assume that he is telling the truth. So if NS is town, then that means that Red wasn't covering for a teammate. Logically, this then gives me a town read on Red. (This is presuming Peace's info on NS is accurate, but NS currently strikes me as a townie who just doesn't know (or care, for that matter) how to play effectively.) So I began looking at the people who have been going after Red.

 

To the italics: Since you're basically implying with your post that Peace is a cop, then why should you automatically clear Nightstrike even if you "believe" Peace? You're ignoring the possibility that Nightstrike could be GF, or that Peace's investigation results could have been tampered with or something.

 

Des, this is a majorly scummy bit of selectivity here. You underlined the bits both before and after my part in parentheses, so it seems pretty clear that you didn't miss that part, since you made such a point of skipping around it. You then proceed to claim I ignored the possibility of NS being a GF or Peace's results being wrong for other reasons when the part you were so careful to skip over addressed that very thing. If you are going to claim that someone ignored something, maybe you shouldn't QUOTE THEM TALKING ABOUT IT! FoS. No, wait... make that a HoS.

[Basel Gill]

And since I'm not likely to be around at DL time, I'm going to unvote and vote Rand now. His claim seems too easy and convenient. JOAT is a good role to fakeclaim. Nice try, Rand, but I don't buy it.

[Gabriel Kross]

My top 3 are:

 

Verb

Darthe

Razen

[JenLenaMom]

Gone all weekend and there's only three pages to catch up on? You people are slipping.

 

By my count there are 6 votes on Rand, making him half way to a lynch with just under 8 1/2 hours to deadline. With all the discussion the JOAT role was getting earlier in the game I dislike this claim.

 

Rand

[RandA lThor]

Wow. Half the votes on me right now are because I claimed a JOAT. You know, again, yes JOAT is easy for scum to claim, but eventually someone is actually goin to get it and you are going to lynch them. You guys arent even casing me at this point.

[Darthe]

Guys I have been pushing BG since D1 and nothing he has done this game has been town play. If anyone deserves your votes it is him today, Syrio is a somewhat strange claim but still acceptable. We can use the night to test Rand if he gets 2 of his 4 abilities. This train doesn't make much sense at all and reeks of opportunistic... Hence exactly what I said yesterday.

 

BTW, loving that you completely disagree with me Despo and say it was pingy of me to tell him he was going to be consolidated etc so he should reveal and then you vote him. I realize that you decided against that but you both argued with me and then helped prove me right.

[RandA lThor]

Guys and we have so many people in this game that some characters are not goin to be that main. You cant expect stark, snow, or targaryen o whatever for every role.