[ADVANCED] WOT Mafia: The Great Hunt - GAME OVER!

[JenLenaMom]

LZM you were the second vote on that lynch train. You were calling me a hypocrite earlier. But now EP is scum because of voting for Darthe?

[LedZepMan]

Second. Not first. And i didnt push as hard as ep.

[Shinori]

I'm gonna go to work now, I'll post once I get back.

[lolguy26]

@JLM (srry I'm on the phone) I'm waiting for notbob if he says the truth, ill unvote if not. Only then will I tell you*and everyone* what I know (I don't want mafia to get this)

[Gabriel Kross]

And you want to play that off as you being town having made a mistake. Im not buying it

 

 

considering the case I built on him showed 100% that he was contradicting himself and lieing in the thread I felt he was scum.

[鲍勃不是我的名字]

@JLM (srry I'm on the phone) I'm waiting for notbob if he says the truth, ill unvote if not. Only then will I tell you*and everyone* what I know (I don't want mafia to get this)

 

lol...lol...role fish?

[鲍勃不是我的名字]

Somewhere just outside Falme, the remains of the party that left from Fal Dara - those who have not yet been slain - lie sleeping, waiting for word from the city. A lone figure stalks among them, unseen in the dark night. There is one who is powerful among these sleeping bodies, and the lone killer has decided they must die.

 

(BG) Verin, Town Roleblocker, has been killed.

 

Though many have already died in the pursuit, the search for the Horn continues on. Chaos is beginning to erupt in Falme, where the Horn surely must be. The remnants of a small search party are cornered just outside a large house in the city. A bloody fight ensues, and when it is done, a large figure lies dead in the street.

 

(Rand) Loial, Town Sidekick, has been killed.

 

Day 4 begins. Your deadline is Sunday, September 30 @ 2PM CST. With 13 alive, it takes 7 to lynch.



 

So we've had enough deaths to signify that a SK is def on the loose, the lone killer thing being a common element in two diff night scenes now. Who would make sense in a SK role? Oh right, a Forsaken.

 

@ Nol

Except that the SK role is being filled by Fain

Seriously how is no one else seeing your blatant attempts at spreading confusion and misinformation?

 

The original neighborizer attempted to neighborize Desp and it supposedly failed.

 

Not liking desp, GF, or LZM. No one targeted me last night.

 

##Vote: Desp

 

Hmmm, I'm really beginning to think that the scenario BG brought up was actually right on point:

 

Welp. Finished re-reading. LZM made more sense to me and I think he should be venge killed. I would have voted LZM yesterday.

 

I also think this Neighborizing thing REALLY needs to be investigated further. There has to be something there. I think, given the theme, the neighborizer is probably a suldam and the person who can be neighborized is probably a female channeler. As such, I think that we need to drill on on that situation and lynch em.

 

Let's look at something really quick-

 

Night 1, Nynaeve, a female channeler, is killed, without a mark on her.

 

Night 2, Egwene, a female channeler, is killed, by a lone killer

 

Night 3, Verin, a female channeler, is killed, by a lone killer.

 

Obv I think one of the Forsaken is responsible for all of these deaths, as I believe they are a third party SK in this game. But the grouping of kills is a little too coincidental, every night they have targeted a female channeler? I'm not quite able to wrap my head around this yet, but what if the deaths of female channelers and the neighborizing thing suggested by BG are related? Shinori did claim Elayne, and then got neighborized. Then every other neighborizing attempt has failed, while in the meantime all the female channelers have been dropping like flies.

 

I might be grasping at straws, but something feels a little curious about this.

I avoided commenting on this earlier because I didn't want to play my hand but now I think it's necessary with us being so far behind the scum

 

I am Perrin and I am a "backup investigative role"

The fact that I wasn't told I am a backup cop/tracker/watcher/whatever pretty much clears GF/Hurin, whom I've considered clear all along anyway even before I realized I was his backup

This by extension clears Shinori

I don't know how GFs role works precisely but if he says Shinori is town I'll trust that

The only ONLY case in which this situation could be mucked up is a mafia godfather of somesort or a scum converter

The neighborizer thing seems slightly off but given that we have a SK AND it's practically confirmed our SK is Fain I really don't feel like this game has room for a cult or even a mafia recruiter

It appears we might have 2 mafias and a SK though at the rate people have been dying

 

regardless this attempt at discrediting Shinori and GF with false speculation should hopefully open everyone's eyes

Des is scum and he keeps pushing his scum agendas day after day

 

Nah I'm pretty sure there are town members as well that can't be, but I still don't like how you played. Someone posted a nice case on you previously already.

 

Can anyone explain why GF is still alive when he has some cop claim supposedly?

 

There's another good question.

 

I can see Shinori asking the question as he's still a little bit new, but you should have been able to draw the same conclusion I and a couple of others have. FIshing much?

 

Vote NotBob

 

My top suspects for today are NotBob and Nolder, and honestly I'm pretty much close to positive on both of them. I think NotBob is the more obviously scummy of the two tho, and honestly I don't think anyone is paying much attention to the wot-cases between me and Nol. But getting a flip on NotBob will tell us a lot more about Nol as well, since both of them were early votes on the train on me, and I already suspect Nol of being involved in a frame on me

Notbob I don't have a good read on

But I don't see Des bussing when I'm pushing so hard on him with such poor reasoning (fishing? really?) so I'm inclined to lean town or third party here since he hasn't done anything I'd say is obviously scummy

 

Convenient claim.

[鲍勃不是我的名字]

Riiiiight I was going after you previous day phase while I was casing Darthe.

 

Great case on Darthe BTW.

[鲍勃不是我的名字]

Second. Not first. And i didnt push as hard as ep.

 

You really want to argue second versus first?

[Nolder]

About as convenient as most claims

What it comes down to is if you think me, GF, and Shinori are on a scum team or not

[Gabriel Kross]

Riiiiight I was going after you previous day phase while I was casing Darthe.

 

Great case on Darthe BTW.

 

to bad it turned out to be wrong.

[Gabriel Kross]

About as convenient as most claims

What it comes down to is if you think me, GF, and Shinori are on a scum team or not

 

it's possible, especially since neither of you claimed straight up cop. Not saying this is the case I'm just saying the possibility is there

[Nolder]

Well here's another thing to consider

I've claimed Perrin

Can't really get much more "main character" than that in a wheel of time game

 

You're left with three possibilities: I'm telling the truth, I'm lying and the real Perrin isn't counterclaiming, Perrin is not in the game

 

You tell me which possibility you think is more likely

[dicetosser1]

headdesk!!

 

PEOPLE! if your gonna claim or strongly hint (i use the word loosely) your power either do it FULLY or DONT DO IT!!! Hoping scum dont pick up on things is the worst sort of dreaming. Scum pay MORE attention to the game then anyone else! they have to!

[hazelkrs1]

Blech. I really didn't want to have to do this. Kinda feel like my hand is forced tho, and everyone has been ignoring my obvious hints.

 

I'm Ingtar, town Tracker.

 

Night 1 I saw Peace visit Lenlo and Rand. I was sure he was mafia at that point, but I wanted to be subtle in my pushing to both keep my role hidden and to try and discover his teammates. Once I saw that he was pushing on Rand, and pointing out numerous times that Rand wasn't saying anything, I figured he had prob silenced him, but even tho I decided to move my vote to Peace because I was unsure of LZM at that point, I didn't want to reveal that I thought Peace had silenced Rand to see if others commented on Rand's absence as well. Interestingly enough, EP did come forward and talk about silencing, and knowing EP, this could easily have been a crazy move on his part if he's Peace's teammate.

 

Night 2 I targeted LZM, and saw him go nowhere. This lent further support to my theory that he is a bomb. Since then he's honestly been kind of obvious about it.

 

Last night I targeted NotBob, and saw him target GF. I assume Rand redirected the NK to himself.

 

Just for future considerations, if you EVER see me coming out THAT hard on someone, and saying multiple times "I'm almost positive player X is mafia", just go ahead and make the connection that I might have a role that has given me enough info to take that kind of bold stance.

 

 

Anyways, I'm kind of pissed at both Nol and Kae. First of all, I'm slightly less concerned about Kae now that she has revealed to be the neighborizer, but kinda miffed that she didn't pick up on my hints, and instead of considering that I might be a town power role, immediately thought I was mafia.

 

And Nolder, Nolder, Nolder. Your scumhunting system is crap, bro. Sorry man, you're a good player and everything, but the way you have been tunneling on me this game is kind of ridiculous. I doubt you would claim Perrin if you weren't him, and altho backup investigative role is a fairly convenient role claim for a mafioso to make, I doubt you're lying about that part. I can even see why you might have thought that your role was named the way it was because of GF's strange "not cop" statements, but did you seriously never consider that you might be a backup to ANY town investigative role? I have to feel like you've seen backups work that way before. Trying to think about the games I've seen it in. I think Darthe's GoT game might have used a similar mechanic, can't quite remember.

 

Anyhoo, the damage is done. Now not only is our "cop" out in the open, but our Tracker AND Backup role out in the open as well. And oh yeah, the Doc is dead.

 

[hazelkrs1]

And oh yeah, about my character- obviously I wasn't too happy to see that I drew Ingtar, knowing his role in the books. I even considered coming up with a diff character name, but the last time I tried that when I was town with a questionable character, it blew up in my face. I understand if yall hesitate to believe that Ingtar is town in this game, but I would say that the fact that Verin flipped town should be enough impetus to at least give yall pause before you lynch a town power role. If not, meh, it's yalls loss.

 

Once again, I tracked NotBob last night and saw him target GF. He's scum. Lynch him.

 

 

 

 

Oh and one more thing Nol- you're so convinced Fain is the SK in this game, have you somehow forgotten that we've seen two DK's that came about from Fain's poisoned Dagger? Do you really think he would be given a NK AND a DK?

 

 

And to reference the OP scene once again, it makes it pretty obvious that Fain is grouped up with other Darkfriends.

 

The unthinkable has happened. Fades and Trollocs attacked Lord Agelmar's keep in Fal Dara. Darkfriends walked the halls. Padan Fain escaped with the dagger from Shadar Logoth, and the Horn of Valere was stolen.

 

The Horn and the dagger must be retrieved. Without the dagger, Mat will die. And the Horn of Valere, in the hands of the Shadow, could be catastrophic.

[Nolder]

Blech. I really didn't want to have to do this. Kinda feel like my hand is forced tho, and everyone has been ignoring my obvious hints.

1. I didn't notice any hints so I don't think they were obvious

2. Didn't we agree hinting is bad?

 

I'm Ingtar, town Tracker.

Ingtar the darkfriend, just getting that out of the way now

 

Night 1 I saw Peace visit Lenlo and Rand. I was sure he was mafia at that point, but I wanted to be subtle in my pushing to both keep my role hidden and to try and discover his teammates. Once I saw that he was pushing on Rand, and pointing out numerous times that Rand wasn't saying anything, I figured he had prob silenced him, but even tho I decided to move my vote to Peace because I was unsure of LZM at that point, I didn't want to reveal that I thought Peace had silenced Rand to see if others commented on Rand's absence as well. Interestingly enough, EP did come forward and talk about silencing, and knowing EP, this could easily have been a crazy move on his part if he's Peace's teammate.

If Peace is your teammate this is an easy result to fake

 

Night 2 I targeted LZM, and saw him go nowhere. This lent further support to my theory that he is a bomb. Since then he's honestly been kind of obvious about it.

I've been kind of neutral on LZM thus far but everyone else wants to lynch him

I don't see it but maybe there's a reason for it hmmm? Another teammate perhaps? It would make sense to trump up his bomb claim to dissuade the town from lynching him

 

Last night I targeted NotBob, and saw him target GF. I assume Rand redirected the NK to himself.

Possibly a fake guilty or possibly the truth

Dunno

 

Just for future considerations, if you EVER see me coming out THAT hard on someone, and saying multiple times "I'm almost positive player X is mafia", just go ahead and make the connection that I might have a role that has given me enough info to take that kind of bold stance.

 

I could say the same to you

I've been saying all game that I am sure GF and Shinori are town and all game you've been casting suspicion on them

 

And Nolder, Nolder, Nolder. Your scumhunting system is crap, bro. Sorry man, you're a good player and everything, but the way you have been tunneling on me this game is kind of ridiculous. I doubt you would claim Perrin if you weren't him, and altho backup investigative role is a fairly convenient role claim for a mafioso to make, I doubt you're lying about that part. I can even see why you might have thought that your role was named the way it was because of GF's strange "not cop" statements, but did you seriously never consider that you might be a backup to ANY town investigative role? I have to feel like you've seen backups work that way before. Trying to think about the games I've seen it in. I think Darthe's GoT game might have used a similar mechanic, can't quite remember.

I tunnel when I think I've found scum

Once I'm on someones case I very rarely let up for better or worse

It's how I play

 

And yes I have seen Universal Backups but those go to any role not just investigative roles

I've never seen an "Investigative Backup" in a game with multiple investigative roles

 

Regardless Hurin led the group in the story until he got separated with Rand in the portal stones and then Perrin led them using the wolves to track the darkfriends

I am definitely GFs backup

I don't doubt this for a second

[Nolder]

And oh yeah, about my character- obviously I wasn't too happy to see that I drew Ingtar, knowing his role in the books. I even considered coming up with a diff character name, but the last time I tried that when I was town with a questionable character, it blew up in my face. I understand if yall hesitate to believe that Ingtar is town in this game, but I would say that the fact that Verin flipped town should be enough impetus to at least give yall pause before you lynch a town power role. If not, meh, it's yalls loss.

Lol you cite Verin as a reason not to lynch you?

That's so many books separated from this one it's not even funny

 

Oh and one more thing Nol- you're so convinced Fain is the SK in this game, have you somehow forgotten that we've seen two DK's that came about from Fain's poisoned Dagger? Do you really think he would be given a NK AND a DK?

No he's a SK with a poison power or day kill

Why would he have to have a NK?

[Nolder]

Thinking about it Notbob is probably town

Des knows with how I'm pushing on him his time is up soon

Probably either today or tomorrow

So why not try to take someone down first?

If he's a scum Tracker his usefulness is pretty much over

He's had plenty of opportunities to track and the slew of claiming has negated the need for the scum team to have a tracker

[hazelkrs1]

Thinking about it Notbob is probably town

Des knows with how I'm pushing on him his time is up soon

Probably either today or tomorrow

So why not try to take someone down first?

If he's a scum Tracker his usefulness is pretty much over

He's had plenty of opportunities to track and the slew of claiming has negated the need for the scum team to have a tracker

 

What do you want to stake upon it?

 

If NotBob flips town, you will literally get no fight from me whatsoever tomorrow, I'll go to the headman's noose willingly. Try to see if you can get the same statement from NotBob.

 

If you'd like, I can also show you all the things which lead me to believe he might be scum

 

And incidentally, yeah, I am pretty much sure my time is up. With multiple killing roles still out there, I'm pretty sure I will be dead either tonight or tomorrow night

[hazelkrs1]

Blech. I really didn't want to have to do this. Kinda feel like my hand is forced tho, and everyone has been ignoring my obvious hints.

1. I didn't notice any hints so I don't think they were obvious

2. Didn't we agree hinting is bad?

 

1. Not hints that I was a tracker, I never wanted to hint that. I was hinting that I had a role or info which led me to believe Peace and NotBob were/are scum

2. When you have a player bulldogging you and others are starting to follow his lead, hinting becomes necessary if you want to keep a power role alive but don't want it to be fully revealed.

 

I'm Ingtar, town Tracker.

Ingtar the darkfriend, just getting that out of the way now

 

Already covered this. Hey, believe the reveal or not, that's your choice. My flip will show it to be the truth. But I AM the town Tracker.

 

Night 1 I saw Peace visit Lenlo and Rand. I was sure he was mafia at that point, but I wanted to be subtle in my pushing to both keep my role hidden and to try and discover his teammates. Once I saw that he was pushing on Rand, and pointing out numerous times that Rand wasn't saying anything, I figured he had prob silenced him, but even tho I decided to move my vote to Peace because I was unsure of LZM at that point, I didn't want to reveal that I thought Peace had silenced Rand to see if others commented on Rand's absence as well. Interestingly enough, EP did come forward and talk about silencing, and knowing EP, this could easily have been a crazy move on his part if he's Peace's teammate.

If Peace is your teammate this is an easy result to fake

 

True, good point. I would still say that I wouldn't have gone after Peace the way I did if he was a teammate, but w/e you seem to be convinced that we were. Can't really do anything about that.

 

Night 2 I targeted LZM, and saw him go nowhere. This lent further support to my theory that he is a bomb. Since then he's honestly been kind of obvious about it.

I've been kind of neutral on LZM thus far but everyone else wants to lynch him

I don't see it but maybe there's a reason for it hmmm? Another teammate perhaps? It would make sense to trump up his bomb claim to dissuade the town from lynching him

 

Pfft okay. I have no problem voting LZM if that's the only option town thinks it has, and chooses to ignore me, but I'll tell you one thing: I aint gonna be the hammer.

 

Once again, if you want, I can go back and retrieve the quotes which led me to believe he was a bomb. And I still think it's possible he might be a mafia bomb, which would make sense somewhat in a game with rival mafia teams and multiple killing roles (see DPR's Spider Country game)

 

Last night I targeted NotBob, and saw him target GF. I assume Rand redirected the NK to himself.

Possibly a fake guilty or possibly the truth

Dunno

 

Like I said, why not see if I'm telling the truth? If I'm wrong about him, you will get no fight out of me tomorrow.

 

There is this tho- lolguy also seems to have something against NotBob as well, which you seem to be ignoring in all of this

 

Just for future considerations, if you EVER see me coming out THAT hard on someone, and saying multiple times "I'm almost positive player X is mafia", just go ahead and make the connection that I might have a role that has given me enough info to take that kind of bold stance.

 

I could say the same to you

I've been saying all game that I am sure GF and Shinori are town and all game you've been casting suspicion on them

 

Touche I suppose. Altho your role doesn't exactly give you the same kind of hard evidence about them that mine has about my targets

 

And Nolder, Nolder, Nolder. Your scumhunting system is crap, bro. Sorry man, you're a good player and everything, but the way you have been tunneling on me this game is kind of ridiculous. I doubt you would claim Perrin if you weren't him, and altho backup investigative role is a fairly convenient role claim for a mafioso to make, I doubt you're lying about that part. I can even see why you might have thought that your role was named the way it was because of GF's strange "not cop" statements, but did you seriously never consider that you might be a backup to ANY town investigative role? I have to feel like you've seen backups work that way before. Trying to think about the games I've seen it in. I think Darthe's GoT game might have used a similar mechanic, can't quite remember.

I tunnel when I think I've found scum

Once I'm on someones case I very rarely let up for better or worse

It's how I play

 

I've noticed that there are actually a lot of things about your play I don't really care for lately.

 

I think day 1 bandwagoning hurts town. I also think tunnelvision hurts town as well.

 

Oh and pokemon avatars, those REALLY hurt town

 

 

And yes I have seen Universal Backups but those go to any role not just investigative roles

I've never seen an "Investigative Backup" in a game with multiple investigative roles

 

Regardless Hurin led the group in the story until he got separated with Rand in the portal stones and then Perrin led them using the wolves to track the darkfriends

I am definitely GFs backup

I don't doubt this for a second

 

I know I've been in a game with an Investigative Backup, can't remember which one tho. Wish I had your memory for past games.

 

But yeah, according to cannon I would agree that you might be right. But then again, here's something to remember: Ingtar was in command, but Rand was secretly second in command. Once Rand splits off from the group, had Ingtar gone down the men prob would have deferred to Perrin's leadership. And since it was his wolf abilities that made him Hurin's replacement, not Sniffer type abilities, he very well could be a universal investigative backup in this game.

 

And oh yeah, about my character- obviously I wasn't too happy to see that I drew Ingtar, knowing his role in the books. I even considered coming up with a diff character name, but the last time I tried that when I was town with a questionable character, it blew up in my face. I understand if yall hesitate to believe that Ingtar is town in this game, but I would say that the fact that Verin flipped town should be enough impetus to at least give yall pause before you lynch a town power role. If not, meh, it's yalls loss.

Lol you cite Verin as a reason not to lynch you?

That's so many books separated from this one it's not even funny

 

And your point is?

 

Verin was still a darkfriend in this novel. The fact that she wasn't revealed to be until much later makes no difference, since we know that in the end she was good inside anyways.

 

And come on bro.

 

"No man may walk in the Shadow for so long that he cannot walk in the Light"?

 

That line was written specifically for Ingtar's reveal at the end of TGH. Foreshadowing to the max by RJ to set up for Ingtar's much more meaningful sacrifice.

 

He may have been a darkfriend, but it's made clear that in the end he still strived for redemption

 

Oh and one more thing Nol- you're so convinced Fain is the SK in this game, have you somehow forgotten that we've seen two DK's that came about from Fain's poisoned Dagger? Do you really think he would be given a NK AND a DK?

No he's a SK with a poison power or day kill

Why would he have to have a NK?

 

 

Blech I gotta go through this again? Read the scenes bro. We've had two NK's, as in kills that happened at night, which were shown to be done by a "lone killer". The death before that one was the one where there were no marks on the body.

 

We've also seen two completely separate deaths that happened during the day, as a result of Fain's dagger.

 

It's Day 4.

 

Mathematically there's no way Fain could be responsible for 5 deaths unless he had both a NK AND a DK or Poison ability.

[Graendals favourite]

I'm suspecting a bus attempt on not-Bob.

[Graendals favourite]

Actually, I might be too harsh on not-bob there, I'm gonna commence on a reread this evening.

[Nolder]

My avatar is Riku from Kingdom Hearts

And I have never claimed to be good at mafia

I have my moments but they are generally few and far between

Hoping this is one of my moments but if it isn't, well there's always next game

 

Also maybe Fain can double kill

I don't know

[hazelkrs1]

My avatar is Riku from Kingdom Hearts

And I have never claimed to be good at mafia

I have my moments but they are generally few and far between

Hoping this is one of my moments but if it isn't, well there's always next game

 

Also maybe Fain can double kill

I don't know

 

Or... and really I'm just throwing this out there as a possibility here, Fain is not a SK and instead one of the Forsaken are.

 

Is it really that hard to admit that I might be right about the Forsaken being in here? lol

 

And the pokemon jibe was cause I've known you with more pokemon avatars than anything else. And the "Ash/Ash" thing in the whichever mafia signups it is right now was funny

 

I claim to be good at mafia all the time. Unfortunately it hasn't really worked with the whole daily affirmations concept yet...