[ADVANCED] WOT Mafia: The Great Hunt - GAME OVER!

[dapianoplay3r]

I thought you were as new as rand. Sorry my mistake

[dapianoplay3r]

and i disagree with scum loving to post. It goes against winning the game for them. post more and more chance to slip up. Post less and you can cruise along unnoticed until its too late

[Gabriel Kross]

You wanna know who really loves to post? I love to post! I read through the whole spiel here, I agree it does seem that Peace and Rand were working in tandem but I'd like to put more thought into it.

[dapianoplay3r]

all good. Its just my case so far and its the best ive got

(a little off my face so ill talk in the morning)

[LedZepMan]

Yes. Peace has started playing around the same time i did.

 

 

Maybe even a bit before i did.

 

 

[LedZepMan]

You wanna know who really loves to post? I love to post! I read through the whole spiel here, I agree it does seem that Peace and Rand were working in tandem but I'd like to put more thought into it.

 

Gonna just chime in a useless tenuous agreement with no real value? Seriously?

 

I like your style

[Nightstrike]

One of the two (Sorcha) was killed in the sleep without a mark. Sorcha was Nynaeve. The killer is probably a dreamwalker or maybe Slayer. That idea probably won't help us much anyway.

 

I think we've probably made a couple of mistakes the first day. Too late doing anything about it now. I don't know how much info there is from day one. Day two seems little different from day one. I think GF probably told the truth. Gut feeling is pretty much all I have atm, and it doesn't tell me much. I have a townie feeling about peacesells, but ... I'll have to think some more. Sorry I'm not of much help.

[Gabriel Kross]

One of the two (Sorcha) was killed in the sleep without a mark. Sorcha was Nynaeve. The killer is probably a dreamwalker or maybe Slayer. That idea probably won't help us much anyway.

 

I think we've probably made a couple of mistakes the first day. Too late doing anything about it now. I don't know how much info there is from day one. Day two seems little different from day one. I think GF probably told the truth. Gut feeling is pretty much all I have atm, and it doesn't tell me much. I have a townie feeling about peacesells, but ... I'll have to think some more. Sorry I'm not of much help.

Your theory is way wrong, thigs done in the dream reflect upon the body in the waking world so a Dreamwalker/Slayer would have left marks. It was indicative that it was done with the power.

[Darthe]

The first mistake of D1 was voting no lunch. Jesus that bullshanks vote built in half an afternoon. My suspect list starts there. I'll post more this evening. I have a date ATM.

[Graendals favourite]

well, I at least have one name that's clean, not that's all the story.

[bgrishinko]

The first mistake of D1 was voting no lunch. Jesus that bullshanks vote built in half an afternoon. My suspect list starts there. I'll post more this evening. I have a date ATM.

 

You have a date with an ATM? At least they'll probably pay.

[hazelkrs1]

Catching up right now, detailed thoughts to follow

 

Short summary tho, really awful night for town, but at the same time very informative. And I think we might have found one of our Forsaken.

[hazelkrs1]

Lenlo sticks out to me, but not as mafia. John Snow may warrant attention later but his train has built extremely quickly and that is a flimsy case, even for day one. It is literally based on what can easily be a wording error. EP is being EP, Dap is a bit pingy but has some good points, and most of the rest of you haven't brought yourself into the limelight except to cast a vote with little comment otherwise.

 

However, two players stick out to me. Despothera is never quite this townie in play and his little back and forth in midthread is pingy to me because he is coming off as.. different. I can't place my finger on how though so until I can figure that out I am going to leave it be.

 

For now, I am going to vote peace. He is either seriously into this game already or something is up with that one.

 

Quoting since neither of you can go back apparently. I didn't have a "case" I had a gut feeling. They tend to work pretty well.

 

I forgot to respond to this, thank you for quoting it for me. Incidentally I'm not fond of this post, as it spends most of the post talking about other people, throwing out a couple of random fos's (me included), supports Dap (who I'll get to later), and then votes Peace without really building much of a case on him.

 

EP on Phone: I have a particular set of skills. Skills that I will use to -

 

Despo: Can you hold one moment please?

 

EP: Uh.. Sure.

 

Despo to crowd: I think it's a trap!

 

EP: I heard that!

 

Despo: My apologies, please continue.

 

 

A new day dawns, the sun shining down upon Almoth Plain and Toman Head. Not far outside of Falme, two women lie sleeping. But only one wakes. Horrified, she finds her companion dead, without a mark on her.

 

(Sorcha) Nynaeve al’Meara, Town Healer, has been killed.

 

Elsewhere, a party searching for the Horn waits near Falme as well. During the night, a small group of them ventured into the city in search of the Horn. But misfortune falls upon this group. In an attempt to secure the Horn, one is killed by a sword through his chest. Another falls prey to the actions of a captured damane.

 

(Lenlo) Mat Cauthon, Town Searcher, has been killed.

 

Day 2 begins. Your deadline is Tuesday, September 18 @ 4PM CST.

 

With 20 alive, it takes 11 to lynch.

 

So at the very least we know for sure now there are multiple antitown elements, but frankly I would have been more surprised if there had been only one death. I strongly suspect that the first death, Sorcha, was the target of our Forsaken, but I'll cover that a bit more later. The second death seems pretty obviously due to the hands of the Seanchan.

 

What worries me is that Fain or his darkfriends aren't mentioned in this scene. I have a couple of theories on this: One is that his team (and honestly it might just be him) could be a cult, since the nature of Mashadar could possibly fit the role of recruiter. I kinda doubt this tho. Another theory of mine is that the darkfriends might not even have a NK. After all, it's the Great Hunt, and the whole storyline of TGH involves Rand and friends trying to catch up to Fain and retrieve the Horn and Dagger. So they might just have to survive to endgame, or perhaps reach falme or something. There might even be a timer on them. After all, we saw Lenlo die as Mat, and he was supposed to find Fain in 4 days or else. John claims he is looking for Fain as well. Since this game seems to have a "chase" element to it, I'm liking this theory a lot. This makes finding Fain a priority.

 

No one appears to have used anything on me at all. So I can't even prove my role as an absorber.

 

 

Somewhat convenient.

 

I think Fain was taking out a threat. He's best candidate for a SK role.

 

Possible, but the dying in sleep thing doesn't make any sense for Fain. He likes messy deaths, revels too much in his victim's pain. He also doesn't possess the capabilities to kill someone in their sleep. And if you're inferring that Fain is responsible for Mat's death, when it's pretty obvious that he died at the hands of Seanchan, I'd say you're trying to blow smoke up our rears. FOS.

 

You wanna know who really loves to post? I love to post! I read through the whole spiel here, I agree it does seem that Peace and Rand were working in tandem but I'd like to put more thought into it.

 

 

Once again, EP shows up to spam while others are scumhunting. Guess he's back to his old ways.

 

One of the two (Sorcha) was killed in the sleep without a mark. Sorcha was Nynaeve. The killer is probably a dreamwalker or maybe Slayer. That idea probably won't help us much anyway.

 

I think we've probably made a couple of mistakes the first day. Too late doing anything about it now. I don't know how much info there is from day one. Day two seems little different from day one. I think GF probably told the truth. Gut feeling is pretty much all I have atm, and it doesn't tell me much. I have a townie feeling about peacesells, but ... I'll have to think some more. Sorry I'm not of much help.

 

To the first paragraph: Good catch. Although I highly doubt Slayer is in this game, I'm not sure exactly when he was first introduced, but he didn't really become a big player till after this book.

 

To the second paragraph: not liking that you have a town read on Peace when I still have a scum read on him, although others are setting off my pings more lately...

 

One of the two (Sorcha) was killed in the sleep without a mark. Sorcha was Nynaeve. The killer is probably a dreamwalker or maybe Slayer. That idea probably won't help us much anyway.

 

I think we've probably made a couple of mistakes the first day. Too late doing anything about it now. I don't know how much info there is from day one. Day two seems little different from day one. I think GF probably told the truth. Gut feeling is pretty much all I have atm, and it doesn't tell me much. I have a townie feeling about peacesells, but ... I'll have to think some more. Sorry I'm not of much help.

Your theory is way wrong, thigs done in the dream reflect upon the body in the waking world so a Dreamwalker/Slayer would have left marks. It was indicative that it was done with the power.

 

You're way wrong EP. A Dreamwalker as talented as Lanfear or Ishamael could easily kill someone in the dreamworld without leaving marks on the body. Destroy the mind, and the body will not wake. And most ways of killing with the OP would leave marks as well. I'd say it's pretty obvious that Sorcha was killed by one of the Forsaken.

 

The first mistake of D1 was voting no lunch. Jesus that bullshanks vote built in half an afternoon. My suspect list starts there. I'll post more this evening. I have a date ATM.

 

This post is just awful. No lynch was pretty much the only option at that point. If you had a better alternative, why didn't you present it? The fact is, we had gotten plenty of info the first day, but time was an issue and we wanted to save our freebie.

 

This post just screams mock outrage.

 

The first mistake of D1 was voting no lunch. Jesus that bullshanks vote built in half an afternoon. My suspect list starts there. I'll post more this evening. I have a date ATM.

 

You have a date with an ATM? At least they'll probably pay.

 

Maybe it will "put out".... some cash and receipts

 

[dicetosser1]

got 10 mins so popping in

 

 

if a freamwalker who channels stops someones heart in the dream then there qill be no mark on the body. So i am leaning towards the thouhgt that a Forsaken killed sorcha and considering the story it was probably lanfear.

 

 

Peace has twigged my interest with his posts since morning but i still havent made up my mind on him

 

Claim or no claim i DONT trust shinori at all.

 

dpr is watching for rand and des... you should always watch des!

 

not going to vote now will be home tonight so will be back on then.

[hazelkrs1]

Decided to make this separate, my response to Dap:

 

Speak up Rand.

er... John Snow as Rand.

thats the thing I thought was odd

Questioning votes is legit but its also a form of defense. Anyway like I said Rand and Des are my top suspects. BG was just a side hobby cos he tickled my gut with that

 

First of all, it hardly seems like a "slip" on BG's part. Not that I don't think he's not scummy necessarily, cause he is setting off faint pings. But your vote on him was a bit much for this kind of thing. Plus I noticed you kept regurgitating my name multiple times in a bunch of recent posts. But your reasoning is all over the place.

 

If BG was to flip scum then you would warrent a looking at. That's what I mean by the defence thing. You two are just linked in my notes

As are Rand and Des (For them if one is scum i think the other is town atm)

 

He was talking about LZM in the first part btw. As for the last bit, I think it's interesting that he says he thinks if either Rand or me is scum, the other one would be town, yet shortly after he says this:

 

the way I play everyone starts neutral then they move towards scummy or town

It wasnt a great reason but it wasnt BS. If you dont like it fine. thats how I play and it has helped me decide who i really wanna go for so im happy with it. Your just mad that I have noticed the slip was more than just a character confusion

 

keep a watch peope. Next Rand, Des and BG will start to form a case on me. Then a train.

One will stay out but they will work together on this

 

So now he thinks me Rand and BG are teammates, which completely contradicts what he had earlier said about us. So I was wondering where he got the connection between Rand and I, or got that I was scummy at all, and here ends up being his case on us:

 

Ok peace this is why I dont trust Rand or you...

Unvote

 

But he said "I'd say the setup hints more at symps than multiple mafia teams." ... What would you say he's hinting at?

 

That Mr Snow is telling the mafia he is a symp.

 

Nice catch Rand.

 

blatant teamwork with Rand. You make him look more town by saying he is scum hunting and also set yourself up as a scum hunter

 

I was thinking that if he was a symp, using the word symp at all was an attempt to hint towards being a symp to the mafia. Symp knows mafia, but mafia doesn't know symp, so if the symp was able to hint at the mafia, they might try to recruit him and get another player. So that being said, I think John Snow is a symp. vote John Snow

I agree. Vote John Snow

 

those two speak for themselves really

 

Not really, symps are more like people who you are trying to find, but can't. This just sets up the theme that there will be mafia hidden in the game. not necessarily symps.

 

And DFs know who eachother are, unlike symps. I see what you're saying.

 

I think it's a new role for you and you messed up trying to hint at it too obviously. Now you are trying to sound like.."oh shucks, I get what you are saying."

 

What you two didnt realise is that John isnt a new player. He far out ranks rand and im pretty sure he does you too

 

So Dap points out a number of circumstances where Peace agrees with Rand, and believes they must be connected because of this. Peace is a much better mafia player tho, than to link himself so obviously with a teammate that early in a game. I'd say it's much more likely that Peace was budding up to Rand to make Rand look worse if Peace ever got lynched and flipped scum.

 

Also, Mr. Snow def IS a relatively new player. Don't get me wrong, he's a very fast learner, and already has a number of games under his belt, but he's still only been playing for a month or two I believe, and it's very possible that he could have made a slip up with a symp role. I highly doubt that at this point, but it was still a faulty argument to use the "John is a vet, he wouldn't have made that mistake" card in this situation.

 

Trust me, if I was a symp, I wouldn't be that stupid with it.

I was just throwing a theory out there.

 

Right, and now you can get into WIFOM, oh I wouldn't be that obvious, but sometimes the obvious one is the best one since you can play it off that you wouldn't do it.

 

Wee bit of back tracking here. never a good look

 

...I don't see this as backtracking at all. Scum often use the "I would never be that obvious" defense, Rand is pointing that out.

 

Yeah I'm thinking Mr Snow is scum.

 

Oh and mr Des is playing a bit off his meta. He seems awfully pro town and I always get a scum read on him.

 

You trying something new Des?

 

So Des comes along and on the QT tells you to stop being dumb and lay low. John isnt that much of a noob. SO you change your idea to scum

(I dont think i ever though John could of been a symp. I didnt write it in my notes. I thought he was scummy for his action in defending and how he worked with Lenlo just saying)

 

The last bit about Des looks like you are just trying to throw some space between you while you can

 

So tell me. Where is rand. I wanted to question him on this rather than you. He is easier to break

 

VOTE Rand

 

EDIT for the reply

yes its not something to slip up with easily. Most people talk about player names. hardly ever character. Its strange and not right

 

Here's where you really lose me. You throw out my name NUMEROUS times in conjuction with Rand, with BG, and with Peace, yet during your whole WoT post you never ONCE show a post of mine that actually seems odd or anything. Your only connection with me to Peace is how he points out my meta being off (in a very scummy way, might I add), and you throw out complete conjecture about us being on a QT together. Nowhere in this post did I see you show a connection from me to Rand, or to BG for that matter.

 

You could possibly just be a townie playing sloppily, throwing out random fos's without really being able to back them up, but the way you're trying to tie diff players together without ever offering proof makes me think you might very well be a Forsaken trying to stir stuff up. However, the fact that Darthe threw out the same kind of lazy fos about me, and also said you had made a lot of good points recently, makes me think you two could be on a team together.

[hazelkrs1]

Here's my case on LZM:

 

Hmm. Coming out fast there dap. Guns blazing if you will. Care to explain further?

 

First comes out in defense of BG

 

Day two vote with no reasoning besides i dont trust him is weak. Even if he was on the lenlo train it means nothing since lenlo revealed.

 

I remember someone asking where sorcha had run off to. That is the person we should be paying attention to

 

Defends BG again (although don't get me wrong, Dap's vote on BG did seem to be based on some weak reasoning)

 

Ok. Dap. First of all how could me asking why you voted bg right out of the gate on day two be construed as a defence? I merely asked your reason and commented on the speed with which you voted.

 

Secondly would you care to provide quotes with your reasoning for the vote?

 

Then acts like he never defended BG, and tries to get Dap to present his case with quotes, to give LZM a chance to try and prove it wrong.

 

The BIGGEST reason I am suspicious of LZM tho is that last line from the quote before that last one.

 

I remember someone asking where sorcha had run off to. That is the person we should be paying attention to

 

Seems like an obvious frame job to me. I think we've found one of our Forsaken right here folks. His big slip was that he forgot who had been the one to remark upon Sorcha's absence, and wanted someone else to do it for him.

 

Vote LZM.

 

But since John is un CC'd Rand al'Thor guess that means someone was taking pot-shots at inactives.

 

JLM found the quote for him, Mr. Snow had asked about Sorcha. But this post seems pretty presumptuous, not thinking of how Sorcha could have been killed to try and frame John.

 

Hmm. I hate role claiming. Just cuz your un CC'd doesnt mean your legit. But not the point cuz im leaning toward believing john.

 

 

And here LZM has to backpedal while also saying John shouldn't have claimed his role. Scummy scummy Forsaken.

 

Let's lynch this old AoL evil channeler.

[hazelkrs1]

TL;DR version for my posts: The death scene seems to indicate that Sorcha was killed by a Dreamwalker (Lanfear and Ishamael are both candidates for this obv), and that Lenlo was killed by Seanchan. No evidence of a Fain death in there, which leads me to believe Fain is either a third party CL, or possibly that this game might have some kind of interesting mechanic to it which let Fain win if he gets to Falme, which might happen in a set number of days or something.

 

Still wary of Shinori, since he doesn't have any kind of results to back up his claim, and doesn't give any other thoughts on what happened during the night.

 

Darthe and Player seem like they could be scummy teammates. Player is all over the place. Could be the other Forsaken if Darthe isn't his teammate.

 

LZM is Forsaken. Tried to frame John by killing Sorcha, but forgot that John had been the one to comment on Sorcha's absence, so he had to backpedal. Lynch him.

[bgrishinko]

I think Peace was defending me more than necessary for typical town. Trying to buddy up I think.

[LedZepMan]

Lynch me. See if i care.

 

Ill help des. vote lzm

 

I do like how you completely skipped over the part where i explained why i couldnt go back and find out the sorcha predicament.

 

You know scum only deal in half truths and leading statements.

 

 

[bgrishinko]

Do you end up playing the martyr in every game lzp?

[hazelkrs1]

Lynch me. See if i care.

 

Ill help des. vote lzm

 

I do like how you completely skipped over the part where i explained why i couldnt go back and find out the sorcha predicament.

 

You know scum only deal in half truths and leading statements.

 

Actually I did cover that thank you. I said it was a lazy frame job, and that you had to backpedal once you realized it was John that had mentioned Sorcha missing.

 

I think you faintly remembered someone mentioning her, but didn't remember who, but figured someone else would do your legwork for you

[LedZepMan]

I try

[hazelkrs1]

And yeah, the self vote after all of ONE person votes you is more than a little ridiculous. It's a gimmick move, and shouldn't fool anybody.

[LedZepMan]

Did you not see the post where i said i was on mobile?

[LedZepMan]

Thats why it shouldnt be taken serious.

 

I cannot believe you guys get so upset over stupid stuff