Monopoly Mafia [GAME OVER]

[alannalynn]

I wonder if I can Add any more info that would contribute to this whole scumhunting issue.

It feels like everyone is being more careful than usual thanks to this whole no lynch business...

What do you mean by this Arez?

 

OK seriously despo... you start everygame calling me scummy wtf... I read reactions I post for reactions and I make lists based on those reactions I had everything I needed for day 1, I told AJ she wasn't paying attention not because of my posts but because there is alot of information on the table as I had already explained me saying I had sufficient info was just me saying I had found enough info already for day 1 backing up my statement, you are grasping at straws refer to the unposted rule 14 and GFY.

EP, chill. It's just tacos. Ya know? If you're town, you don't know the whole game, just like the rest of us. And quite frankly, I'm sick and tired of the overusage of Rule 14. I. Don't. Care.

 

WOW EP, a bit emo there. Despo obviously struck a nerve...made a bunch of sense too. No sure why you'd react so strongly though considering there are 9 or 10 votes on the no lynch wagon. Again..WOW.

 

Has everyone on this site gone emo lately?

^This

 

Wow a lot has happened since sleep! EP, to be blatant, your self view far exceeds your abilities.

 

Black hoof, your posts seem odd to me this game. You disappeared and when you returned have been pushing no lynch ever since.. Without any build up.

 

Lastly, I would like to point out that AJ linked like five players because we all disagree with no lynch. I have a lot off issue with her "game post" and then bragging about it. First, if you brag about a change you have made in your play it looks scummy and she would know that.. It looks like a cover you can blame odd behavior on later. Second, the idea of linking and distancing is almost always negative because we all change who we agree or disagree with several times per game. Acting otherwise, especially with groups as broad as everyone in the game (the three she put us all into) looks to me like a way to appear to be scum hunting. Pointing out everyone isn't playing like mynd, it's not playing. Thirdly, and this one isn't as important it just still aggrevated me, me and Kae posted at the same time initially. If not for the things above I wouldn't feel te need to bring it up but it seems to me like her trying to find a way to appear a scumhunter when combined with the rest.

I'm sorry, Darthe? As for Blacky, he pinged because he backtracked after being called out for "protecting". But whatever.

 

As for the bits addressing me:

- I was not linking, and I understand the game. I was splitting people up for clarity's sake. Since the No Lynch argument is the big topic for day one, I broke it up into sides. I do the same thing with every disagreement in mafia, especially day one. You can garner information later in the game from things like that, I just happened to post it this game.

- I wasn't bragging. I was genuinely surprised that I had a longer game post. Day one. Since my restart of mafia, I've lurked a bit and I've never had wots until late-game, so I surprised myself while waiting to go to ihop with coworkers. (which was delish)

- I commented that you and Tress posted at the same time.

 

There was nothing in my post but seeking clarity and a call for actual scum hunting for day one. Those pushing for day 1 to end so quickly are pinging.

[alannalynn]

lynch me IDGARA it'll spare me this bs. I'm a vanilla town

Seriously EP? What's the problem?

[David Hermes]

Despora, what's the point at this point in the game to vote for anyone, EP or anyone for that matter? My reasoning is that Nolder has yet to post the deadline for day 1. So for a lynch to happen at this point a lot of people will have to unvote on the No lynch and vote someone they found suspicious. Which will take a while. I would be surprised if this day ended without the majority on the No lynch wagon. Then even if No lynch gets the majority we will then have to vote again for which card we want (community, chance or neither). It's alright to post your suspicions and thoughts but isn't it a waste of time to vote for a player at this point?

[alannalynn]

Despora, what's the point at this point in the game to vote for anyone, EP or anyone for that matter? My reasoning is that Nolder has yet to post the deadline for day 1. So for a lynch to happen at this point a lot of people will have to unvote on the No lynch and vote someone they found suspicious. Which will take a while. I would be surprised if this day ended without the majority on the No lynch wagon. Then even if No lynch gets the majority we will then have to vote again for which card we want (community, chance or neither). It's alright to post your suspicions and thoughts but isn't it a waste of time to vote for a player at this point?

...but didn't the no lynch vote build entirely in a day?

[David Hermes]

And alanna, where and what is rule 14? as far as I was aware there are only 12 rules in this game.

[David Hermes]

Despora, what's the point at this point in the game to vote for anyone, EP or anyone for that matter? My reasoning is that Nolder has yet to post the deadline for day 1. So for a lynch to happen at this point a lot of people will have to unvote on the No lynch and vote someone they found suspicious. Which will take a while. I would be surprised if this day ended without the majority on the No lynch wagon. Then even if No lynch gets the majority we will then have to vote again for which card we want (community, chance or neither). It's alright to post your suspicions and thoughts but isn't it a waste of time to vote for a player at this point?

...but didn't the no lynch vote build entirely in a day?

A majority vote is always built over a day. ;)

[alannalynn]

Despora, what's the point at this point in the game to vote for anyone, EP or anyone for that matter? My reasoning is that Nolder has yet to post the deadline for day 1. So for a lynch to happen at this point a lot of people will have to unvote on the No lynch and vote someone they found suspicious. Which will take a while. I would be surprised if this day ended without the majority on the No lynch wagon. Then even if No lynch gets the majority we will then have to vote again for which card we want (community, chance or neither). It's alright to post your suspicions and thoughts but isn't it a waste of time to vote for a player at this point?

...but didn't the no lynch vote build entirely in a day?

A majority vote is always built over a day. ;)

And since we Don't have a deadline, it's not like he's going to spring it on us with a "oh! by the way! the deadline is like... NOW!" No, we have plenty of time. This is day one, after all.

[David Hermes]

And I think the no lynch vote has built over about 2 real life days, and in any case we are 3 votes short of the hammer so it really hasn't finished building yet.

[David Hermes]

I know day 1s are normally long as we wait for all the players to participate.

[alannalynn]

And I think the no lynch vote has built over about 2 real life days, and in any case we are 3 votes short of the hammer so it really hasn't finished building yet.

Well, I was close, but it got up to L2 last night (my time). The game has only been up for 30ish hours.

 

Actually, my time is a little off. It's 6am here and I haven't slept yet. . .

[alannalynn]

I'd like to hear more from Andrew.

[David Hermes]

Just for my sake can day 1s last a week inreal life time? and what's the normal duration?

[Nolder]

Votecount

No Lynch - Rand, Eternal Phoenix, David, Nightstrike, Wombat, BG, Basel, Blackhoof (8)

Peace - Andrew (1)

EP - Des (1)

 

Not Voting: Peacesells, Arez, Darthe, alannalynn, Razen, Song of Ice and Fire, Lenlo, Songstress, Lessa Nikia, Thorum (10)

 

With 20 Alive it takes 11 to Lynch.

[David Hermes]

Eternal Pheonix, could you qoute the posts that you feel gave you information on possible suspects, so that the rest of us can maybe glean something. you don't have to give any reasoning or explanation. There's really no point in keeping information to yourself when you could help the town, and since you claim that you are vanilla, there is probably little chance that you will be nightkilled, so you have nothing to lose by giving voice to your thoughts on who are suspect.

[hazelkrs1]

We can lynch EP tommorow if need be, today is best spent with a no lynch. Of course more discussion before that is welcome.

 

Despo, I heartily agree with your assesment of EP, although him being braggy is not limited to when he is scum

 

Still, with no deadline, there's no rule that says we can't pressure a few people, and THEN do the whole no lynch. After all, look at what one measly post of mine was able to do to EP.

 

*glances over at EP, who has already spontaneously recombusted*

 

 

Wow a lot has happened since sleep! EP, to be blatant, your self view far exceeds your abilities.

 

Black hoof, your posts seem odd to me this game. You disappeared and when you returned have been pushing no lynch ever since.. Without any build up.

 

Lastly, I would like to point out that AJ linked like five players because we all disagree with no lynch. I have a lot off issue with her "game post" and then bragging about it. First, if you brag about a change you have made in your play it looks scummy and she would know that.. It looks like a cover you can blame odd behavior on later. Second, the idea of linking and distancing is almost always negative because we all change who we agree or disagree with several times per game. Acting otherwise, especially with groups as broad as everyone in the game (the three she put us all into) looks to me like a way to appear to be scum hunting. Pointing out everyone isn't playing like mynd, it's not playing. Thirdly, and this one isn't as important it just still aggrevated me, me and Kae posted at the same time initially. If not for the things above I wouldn't feel te need to bring it up but it seems to me like her trying to find a way to appear a scumhunter when combined with the rest.

 

I agree with most of what you're saying (except for Mynd pointing FOS's at everyone, that's moar like Red ), but can you clarify on that last bit? Are you mixing Kae and Tress up? I think I'm missing something here, and going back and rereading didn't help

 

lynch me IDGARA it'll spare me this bs. I'm a vanilla town

 

Reveal at L-10 huh? Seems like a good choice.

 

 

Despora, what's the point at this point in the game to vote for anyone, EP or anyone for that matter? My reasoning is that Nolder has yet to post the deadline for day 1. So for a lynch to happen at this point a lot of people will have to unvote on the No lynch and vote someone they found suspicious. Which will take a while. I would be surprised if this day ended without the majority on the No lynch wagon. Then even if No lynch gets the majority we will then have to vote again for which card we want (community, chance or neither). It's alright to post your suspicions and thoughts but isn't it a waste of time to vote for a player at this point?

 

So.... you're saying I shouldn't try to scumhunt? Kind of a pointless post bro. And just because we're at L-2 or whatever it is on the no lynch thing, don't think for a second that is set in stone yet. Late in the train lynches are diverted all the time. If someone was to slip up pretty big and basically out themselves as scum before the hammer is dropped, I'm pretty sure every townie would be perfectly happy to lynch a mafioso today and test the no lynch thing tomorrow.

 

Seems like a really fatalistic attitude you have towards the whole situation tbh.

 

 

I also wanted to expound on something I didn't quite have time for before, about the no lynch thing. I'm somewhat wary of players that are coming out and going "Wait guys! We can no lynch but let's get hold up a sec, the train is building too fast." It's not a scummy statement, and honestly we should try to get some pressure on some peeps before ending the day, but to me it looks like a really easy way for scum to get some townie cred. After all, if w/e chance or cc card we get ends up bad for the town, they get to come out and be all "See u guys! I was against teh no lynch!"

 

Not saying everyone who is doing this is scummy, but it seems likely to me that scum would try this tactic.

[hazelkrs1]

Eternal Pheonix, could you qoute the posts that you feel gave you information on possible suspects, so that the rest of us can maybe glean something. you don't have to give any reasoning or explanation. There's really no point in keeping information to yourself when you could help the town, and since you claim that you are vanilla, there is probably little chance that you will be nightkilled, so you have nothing to lose by giving voice to your thoughts on who are suspect.

 

Thank you. I don't know how many times I see someone get pressure and they just shut down. Imo, PROVE your innocence by trying to continue to find real scum and show your play to be pro-town

 

Emo meltdowns =/= good defense

 

Defending yourself calmly and reasonably while also trying to case others == good defense

 

[David Hermes]

And also EP don't feel bad or feel people are pressuring you too much. Just take it in your stride and try to have fun. I think it's fun to test your guts and see if you are right in the end which you could very well be. I found out in another game that when I was being gunned down it turned out to be a tactic on the mafia's part to distract from the game and put the spotlight on me. So I've realised that it's all part of the game and really is nothing personal. have fun! ;)

[Arez Al'Loke]

Meltdowns... Meltdowns everywhere!

 

When did people start forgetting this is a game?

I wish I could policy lynch without feeling like scum.. Because right now, I want to prove to EP that faking an meltdown is not going to scare me away.. Infact, faking a meltdown when you have ONE vote smells veeery fishy.

There was a player doing something similar recently, but that wasn't faking and he/she leaved every mafia que and asked to be replaced, that's a real meltdown, not a faked one.

 

This is my oppinion on the whole No Lynch matter.

If we want to try it, Day 1 is the way to go, I'm not willing to risk it later in game, even if we manage to nail scum at the end of day 1.

[Gabriel Kross]

Eternal Pheonix, could you qoute the posts that you feel gave you information on possible suspects, so that the rest of us can maybe glean something. you don't have to give any reasoning or explanation. There's really no point in keeping information to yourself when you could help the town, and since you claim that you are vanilla, there is probably little chance that you will be nightkilled, so you have nothing to lose by giving voice to your thoughts on who are suspect.

 

Thank you. I don't know how many times I see someone get pressure and they just shut down. Imo, PROVE your innocence by trying to continue to find real scum and show your play to be pro-town

 

Emo meltdowns =/= good defense

 

Defending yourself calmly and reasonably while also trying to case others == good defense

 

 

honestly I just don't really care at this point

 

if I feel like it in the morning maybe I'll share

[Darthe]

Oh dear I did switch tress and kae! My bad x.x. AJ, I did not see you do a couple of the things you claimed in your response but I will accept the answer for now because I am on a phone and cannot adequately view or refute the statements atm.

[Songstress]

Oh dear I did switch tress and kae! My bad x.x.

 

We Lighties all look alike?

[Blackhoof]

Indeed, you all dress badly, have boring hair, shine with some lame inner light and go good all the time.

 

Being good is so.... yesterday

[Razen]

I also wanted to expound on something I didn't quite have time for before, about the no lynch thing. I'm somewhat wary of players that are coming out and going "Wait guys! We can no lynch but let's get hold up a sec, the train is building too fast." It's not a scummy statement, and honestly we should try to get some pressure on some peeps before ending the day, but to me it looks like a really easy way for scum to get some townie cred. After all, if w/e chance or cc card we get ends up bad for the town, they get to come out and be all "See u guys! I was against teh no lynch!"

 

Not saying everyone who is doing this is scummy, but it seems likely to me that scum would try this tactic.

 

I agree with your last sentence - it would be sensible for the scum team to divide themselves up and position themselves on both sides of the issue so as not to get the whole team noticed right off the bat. I personally believe that they went slightly more towards the no lynch due to how easy it is to hide there, but by no means does that mean they've got a

 

The no lynch vote with little discussion is easy for scum to hide in too, which means that have less of a chance of slipping up. All they have to say is "I'm curious - no lynch" to test the cards, and they don't really have to give more than that. It's almost impossible to read, because almost everyone going that route has voiced almost the exact same sentiment behind the vote.

 

Rand is fence sitting with this comment.

I see what you mean but my curiosity is so strong right now.

 

He says that he can see the points addressed by Tress, Darthe and myself as to why we should discuss before going the no lynch route, but has kept his vote there. You can talk the talk, but you gotta walk the walk too. He looks good either way - if we do go the no lynch route by saying he was there, and if we decide against it, he just has to point here to say he agreed with what the three of us pointed out.

 

I don't really see it as fence-sitting. He said he saw where others were coming from, but he was still gonna vote no lynch. Fence-sitting would have been if he hadn't of voted for no lynch, then seemed to be torn between the two or something. Seems that he's just respectfully sticking to his guns with his post.

 

You, on the other hand, seem to be grasping at straws and trying to find stuff to make townies look bad

 

Now, how do you know that Rand is a townie? Interesting reaction. I'm just pointing out what I'm thinking - which isn't a bad thing for a townie to do.

 

Actually we already have alot of info, we have the same info we'd have had if the no lynch option wasnt there, because we got the "skeptical reserved" people chiming in being like hey guys wait a minute... and the "gung ho" people that are all like LETS DOOOOOO IT!!! it's all about reactions, the conditions may be different but the situation is the same... and you guys are all missing the possibility of night actions being fruitful

 

I'm not going to deny that we don't have info - you are correct when you say that it divides us up into those categories.

 

What I want to point out is the last line - night actions. I'm dividing this up into two types - the cards and then the abilities of the players. Even if the card that is drawn is good (which I have no idea if it will be or not - it's all up to chance and how Nol has the cards arranged). I get the feeling that this is what you mean, but by wording it as night actions, I get the picture that you're talking about people who can kill, protect, and what not. And the only way people will know whether night actions of the traditional sense are fruitful or not are those who have them.

 

Erm... investigative roles? Kinda strange how you left those out. Even if day 1 ended with not quite as much info gained compared to other games, we'd still have the opportunity to use investigative roles, which might not help immediately as those roles would wisely stay hidden, but that kind of info could be useful later in the game. AND we'd find out what kind of thing to expect with the whole chance/community chest cards

 

I did say and what not, implying more than I had stated. Kinda strange though that you take objection that I didn't include investigative roles in that list. You said it yourself - investigative roles should probably stay hidden until later. So the fact that you're drawing attention to it is pinging me a bit.

 

Vote: Despo.

[Lenlo]

Right now, I personally think EPs meltdown is a "I feel bad vote for no lynch" or something similar. I like many of Despos points on EP and havnt seen any of EPs so called scum hunting.

 

I would really like it if he showed us some of this. There is no townie reason to with hold info like that to me. The only thing I can see a townie holding back and being right to do so is if they have a power role and EP claimed vanilla.

[Gabriel Kross]

Honestly I no longer have a clear head about this game, I referenced the "rule 14" as part of just a play at Despo for reactions, but looking back it really is a violation of the CoC, so I may be pulling myself out of the game due to this. My conscience is eating away at me on this one...