Monopoly Mafia [GAME OVER]

[Blackhoof]

Just caught up. It is unlikely the doc would succeed in protecting the right people twice in aa row.... I favour an inactive or indecisive mafia.

[Thorum]

There's probably a third option.

 

Especially since night 1 proved there can be 2 nightkills. We cannot be lucky enough that all nightkill-able persons/groups AND the doctor go for the same person.

For last night (16 alive), there's a 1 in 256chance

The night befor (17 alive), there's a 1 in 289 chance

Both, there's 1 chance out of about 74.000 that this twice-no-nightkill is random. (assuming 1 vig + 1 doc + 1 potential mafia kill)

 

Even an inactive mafia doens't account for the vig.

[Thorum]

Unless mafia gets 2 shots (unlikely)

[Nightstrike]

I saw the AndrewLee and Thorum quotes. I think Thorum could still be townish - not scummish - in those quotes. I was thinking that if I'd done what David did (it was David, right? The one who gave the list?), then I'd have given the names of 4 townies. I haven't seen anyone point out any real scummish things lately from anyone on that list. I will go with my gut feeling here. I think AndrewLee might be the scum who tries to push a lynch on a person on the list. Therefore I vote AndrewLee .

[Songstress]

Andrew provided a really great case on David, Night. That was some serious bussing if he's scum.

 

Then again, I did that to Peace in Soy's game... along with 3 casing three other people. There was already pressure on him at the time, though, and I didn't vote him until his train picked up a lot of steam. I don't think Andrew would have gone as far as he did if he was David's teammate.

 

I'm still doubtful that BG is town, and I think David included at least one teammate on his list. The effectiveness of David's WIFOM comes from people wanting to avoid looking at the individuals he named, because they think he was trying to paint townies as scum. He'd have been silly not to have included a couple of his teammates in there. If he was really being tricky, he might have given us all the names, and relied on the arguments to completely disregard the list as dying WIFOM, but that might have been too risky.

[bgrishinko]

I think Darthe is trying to bluff his way into getting people to focus on the 4 that David talked about.

 

As such, I think that if we were to look at the 4 of us on that list we start with Darthe. He said he was willing to be lynched since he was on that list. I say grant him it. I think he is lying to get the other 3 lynched and his over willingness to sacrifice himself is a ploy at being trusted.

 

Vote Darthe

[Nightstrike]

Andrew provided a really great case on David, Night. That was some serious bussing if he's scum.

Yes, you're right. Reply #637.

 

Then again, I did that to Peace in Soy's game... along with 3 casing three other people. There was already pressure on him at the time, though, and I didn't vote him until his train picked up a lot of steam. I don't think Andrew would have gone as far as he did if he was David's teammate.

 

 

I'm still doubtful that BG is town, and I think David included at least one teammate on his list. The effectiveness of David's WIFOM comes from people wanting to avoid looking at the individuals he named, because they think he was trying to paint townies as scum. He'd have been silly not to have included a couple of his teammates in there. If he was really being tricky, he might have given us all the names, and relied on the arguments to completely disregard the list as dying WIFOM, but that might have been too risky.

Hmm.. I'll Unvote anyway .

[Songstress]

These are the quotes I was looking for.... and I'm completing my notes from Night 1 through Day 3 finally...

 

Yay some talking during the night!

 

Naw, it wasn't a slip. I know this because I'm not scum. I win by surviving to the end of the game. Fastest way to do that? Lynch the scum. And in a game with a no lynch, town profiting option (( sometimes)) keeping me around is rather simple.

 

I count as another vote for the town and one more person between the scum and victory .

@peace, I didn't say she had. I said it is easy to. There's a difference.

 

@Lenlo, why would a third party survivor have access to a neighborhood QT unless they were invited? This whole thing still confuses me.

Without directly quoting my role PM, let me clarify as much as I can. My PM says neither the word "masons" nor "neighbors". It lists the name of the property I own, and refers to the name of the property that is adjacent to mine. Its owner is my "buddy" and the PM states we have always been sure of one anothers' intentions and alignments. It gives the information about the meeting we have been invited to, and then states that I and the other individual both win with town.

 

We initially assumed we were masons, and the QT was a mason QT, but when Len showed up, I re-read my PM and realized the QT link was an invitation to a meeting behind closed doors. I don't know what technical mafia role one would use to refer to myself and the other person in question, but there it is.

^all this confuses me, makes me sus of the QT and meeting and whatnot. I don't want to assume Tress is town just because she's on a not-really-mason QT with another "confirmed townie" and a survivor role.

 

I don't even get how we're assuming that Tress is town, to be honest. Others have pointed out that the QT meeting between a survivor and two townies doesn't seem very town oriented, and I have to agree. Sure, Tress ratted Lenlo out, but that's not to say that they didn't agree to that in their meeting in order to achieve some type of a higher goal. It would sure serve to put her out of suspicion by handing Lenlo to us and then going on and winning the game for him. To be honest, that's what I'm afraid of - that she and her "partner" aren't being completely honest here.

 

The situation doesn't make a whole lot of sense to me either, Razen, but think about it a bit more. The thing is, what could I have gained from that? All anyone got from that was a dead third party.

 

Lenlo backed up everything I said that he could have had any knowledge of (he couldn't verify that my partner and I are town, of course, because he had no way to verify that). He verified that aside from the two of us and Nolder, there was only one other person in the QT that he was aware of. He verified that I was telling the truth about what transpired (although my interpretation of his actions was different than his intent). He even went so far as to quote from the QT what I had found suspicious.

 

Len was a survivor, he actually cannot win the game at this point because of that whole mess. (Light, what an unfortunate choice of RP!) He had absolutely no incentive to lie for me. If it wasn't for the fact that there is one other person who could have come forward and disputed any lies he told, he probably would have been better served to lie and try to get out of a lynch. He would have been better served to try to paint me as scum and get me lynched instead. If Lenlo had no reason to lie, and backed up my entire story, then the only thing you can really question is whether I and my partner are actually town, and that can't be proven 100% until one of us dies.

 

I haven't lied about a single thing.

 

What doesn't actually make perfect sense is not my actions but the mod's decision to set up the meeting with a 3rd party survivor in the first place. If Len hadn't come into the meeting the way he did and set off my alarm bells right away, things would have gone quite differently I'm sure. Now that Len is dead, my partner and I still have access to the QT, and so far as we know Nolder is still the only other one in there with us.

[bgrishinko]

And that is why I trust Tress mainly.

 

It makes way more sense to me that the 3rd party would meet with town to curry favor than scum.

[Nolder]

I'm drunk atm

That makes me jealous. Work :(

It's actually not cool

a little too drunk

Annnnnnnd small hangover

FML

[Nolder]

Votecount

Darthe - Razen, Thorum, BG (3)

Nightstrike - Des (1)

Thorum - Andrew (1)

BG - dicetosser1 (1)

 

 

With 16 alive it takes 9 to lynch.

[Darthe]

I think Darthe is trying to bluff his way into getting people to focus on the 4 that David talked about.

 

As such, I think that if we were to look at the 4 of us on that list we start with Darthe. He said he was willing to be lynched since he was on that list. I say grant him it. I think he is lying to get the other 3 lynched and his over willingness to sacrifice himself is a ploy at being trusted.

 

Vote Darthe

 

No ploy. Sometimes death is the honest best way to out mafia. I do not mind being first to go and won't object if needed. Interesting of you to make this move while you yourself are on the same list and in question.

[dicetosser1]

im voting bG because i think he is scum

 

 

didnt you notice that he didnt post for like a whole phase and no one got killed??

[bgrishinko]

im voting bG because i think he is scum

 

 

didnt you notice that he didnt post for like a whole phase and no one got killed??

 

Um... didn't you notice I was silenced?

[Basel Gill]

Even an inactive mafia doens't account for the vig.

 

My guess is that either the vig decided they acted too hastily with EP after seeing him flip, and deliberately holstered since then in hopes of getting more data on who to target.

 

Len was a survivor, he actually cannot win the game at this point because of that whole mess.

 

So what you are saying is that Len has lost the game?

[Basel Gill]

I think Darthe is trying to bluff his way into getting people to focus on the 4 that David talked about.

 

As such, I think that if we were to look at the 4 of us on that list we start with Darthe. He said he was willing to be lynched since he was on that list. I say grant him it. I think he is lying to get the other 3 lynched and his over willingness to sacrifice himself is a ploy at being trusted.

 

Vote Darthe

 

I would like to test Darthe. He has reacted the strongest to the list out of anyone named on it. I think this is a sign of a gambit.

 

Vote Darthe.

[Lanthirrhos]

Meanwhile, the people playing mafia would like to explore various avenues, and poke several people instead of trying to capitalize on targets created from a list proffered by a mod-confirmed mafia. Way to try and pick easy targets from the list.

[RandA lThor]

Even an inactive mafia doens't account for the vig.

 

My guess is that either the vig decided they acted too hastily with EP after seeing him flip, and deliberately holstered since then in hopes of getting more data on who to target.

 

Len was a survivor, he actually cannot win the game at this point because of that whole mess.

 

So what you are saying is that Len has lost the game?

 

I hate you Basel, now I lost the game as well.

[Nightstrike]

Darthe seems convinced we should try the list, even though he's on it. Basel thinks it's a gambit, and bg thinks so too. Bg trusts songstress. Speculation about inactive mafia - should we focus on inactive players? There's not much voting going on right now.

 

Arez didn't vote David when the list came, and he confronted Thorum. Some players think Thorum might be scum (or so they say), but if he's not then maybe Arez is scum? Noone else has said anything about that, maybe because I'm not making any sense?

 

Is Darthe really a wise move right now? I've got a feeling several of you think so. It's annoying not to vote him, and yet I don't know what else beside him suggesting this would make him scummish. If Darthe is town, why is he so sure we should try the list? It is strange. Could there be another reason for a townie to suggest such a thing? I don't know of any. I think Darthe might be the best shot after all. Vote Darthe .

[Darthe]

Not that I mind the vote since it is my impression that the list "CAN" be useful anyhow, but that is some scummy flipping there Night. You managed to go from defending to psudeo-casing me and voting me in a paragraph

[Nightstrike]

Yeah, I'm still unsure about this whole situation, and all the veterans aren't exactly convinced (it seems that way), so I am trying something. I don't know why there is so little activity. I don't know why noone really argues for anything, either. I have no really great scumreading anywhere, and I can only assume the same goes for many others in this game. I don't know if the scum team is this good, or if they are so inactive that they manage to fly under the radar somehow. If anyone has any ideas, then maybe they should try harder at presenting it?

[Nightstrike]

Maybe the post count isn't the issue as far as activity goes.

[Darthe]

I am working on a thing but unfortunately am only free for about two hours a day to really do stuff. The rest of the time it is on my phone. Will get back to this in the morning if I can.

[Nolder]

Votecount

Darthe - Razen, Thorum, BG, Basel, Nightstrike (5)

Nightstrike - Des (1)

Thorum - Andrew (1)

BG - dicetosser1 (1)

 

 

With 16 alive it takes 9 to lynch.

 

Deadline: Friday at 12:00PM PST

[Thorum]

I hate you Basel, now I lost the game as well.

Care to explain?

 

At this speed, I can keep up with the game :)