Final Fantasy ADVANCED GAME OVER, TOWN WINS!

[peacesells]

Darthe, you have some flawed logic in your theory. If I die today via lynch and you are town..then you die tonight. There is no way a doctor picks you to protect over our lie detector.

 

This seems pretty obvious to me..so I'm not sure why you are pushing so hard to "vett" one of us by lynching the other. Seems like some kinda reverse psychology ploy in order to vett you. You don't come clean imo just because I flip town.

 

If the it were reversed and you were close to being lynched it might vet me a bit if you flipped town since you said your role was like mine. But since I stated first what my role was it is easy for anyone to say "hey, that's like my role."

[peacesells]

Red, I'm not understanding you very much. You make this whole big case against Ishy...yet you are voting me? None of my actions have been scummy. I have played exactly like what I am. Uninformed town. And my actions were provoked by a lying lie detector.

[Ithillian Turambar]

Red, I'm not understanding you very much. You make this whole big case against Ishy...yet you are voting me? None of my actions have been scummy. I have played exactly like what I am. Uninformed town. And my actions were provoked by a lying lie detector.

 

I never lied ... you keep saying that as if you say it enough times it will have made it so I did ... and you revealed without any votes. We were all on EP I think. Why are you trying so hard to make me look bad. You asked me to reveal all kinds of stuff and I think I said no - you could have done the same as you weren't under any real pressure. I love how you blame me for your own actions though - I've seen you do that before.

 

[Sakaea]

Hey Kae =) I'll give you a BPV and power role if you mod confirm me =p

 

 

Jk Jk or am I?

 

No tempting of the Lord thy mod

[Darthe]

Darthe, you have some flawed logic in your theory. If I die today via lynch and you are town..then you die tonight. There is no way a doctor picks you to protect over our lie detector.

 

This seems pretty obvious to me..so I'm not sure why you are pushing so hard to "vett" one of us by lynching the other. Seems like some kinda reverse psychology ploy in order to vett you. You don't come clean imo just because I flip town.

 

If the it were reversed and you were close to being lynched it might vet me a bit if you flipped town since you said your role was like mine. But since I stated first what my role was it is easy for anyone to say "hey, that's like my role."

 

They can't kill us both. What you say is partially true, which is why I say that if one of us is to be lynched it should be me.

[peacesells]

Red, I'm not understanding you very much. You make this whole big case against Ishy...yet you are voting me? None of my actions have been scummy. I have played exactly like what I am. Uninformed town. And my actions were provoked by a lying lie detector.

 

I never lied ... you keep saying that as if you say it enough times it will have made it so I did ... and you revealed without any votes. We were all on EP I think. Why are you trying so hard to make me look bad. You asked me to reveal all kinds of stuff and I think I said no - you could have done the same as you weren't under any real pressure. I love how you blame me for your own actions though - I've seen you do that before.

 

You led others to believe you viewed EP's statement and by your own words "implied" it.

 

Whatever @ Red. Sometimes you have to take a risk to catch a Mafia and I thought implying I had a Day View when it worked was a good idea.

 

I didn't say who I planned to view @ Len. I got no result so I'm thinking I was blocked maybe.

[peacesells]

And..it was a good idea..but you have to see how I could be tripped up by it. I felt a lie..didn't know it was being used for good reasons.

[Razen]

That's two people now who have mentioned the possibility of a second Mafia Team. How many people are playing in this game altogether?

 

I caught cosmicpanda mentioning this earlier and it stunk to me then and it still stinks to me now. Crumbing that possibility is not a very town-like thing to do. Starts people jumping at shadows that may or may not really be there. It looks to me like an attempt to distract from what's currently going on.

 

Ithi, you're squirming a lot. Plus, I just remembered this:

 

Ishy is Mafia. He is probably Sephiroth the Godfather. That's why he feels so confident in saying he is Town so early in the game. Sephiroth is probably a more popular character than Cloud also - so his statistics probably fit too.

 

Vote Ishy/color]

 

Why exactly are you so certain that there is a godfather, or that it is Sephy? VOTE ITHI

 

another pingy post from Ithi, that furthers her wagon as well. Ithi isn't scrambling, and note his reaction to the GF being mentioned.

 

I agree with that analysis - Maw got real jumpy when Ithi brought up the mention of a godfather and Sephy. This kneejerk reaction is telling me that he might have known either who Sephy - it could be one of those character counter things like Peace and Darthe are claiming, but the defensiveness and the vote on Ithi have me leaning scum on Maw/Jack 2.0.

 

It seems that 3-5 of us are if my memory serves correctly, but only two have voted and most of us have different reasons. In the end, if the glove fits...

 

Umm...where did that last sentence come from? 3-5 of us are what? Because I'm not certain I'm reading this correctly. Are you saying that 3-5 people are claiming character counters? And what do you mean by the statement that only 2 have voted. I'm a little lost right now. And I'm reading this like you know something I don't.

[Darthe]

No, I think 3 to 5 of us are being pinged pretty hard or have been by Maw/Jack 2.0. My bad for the confusion!

[cosmicpanda]

Replying to lots of things:

 

[n]However, there's a slight possibility that there are two scum teams (particularly with the fad for multiple factions that seems to be sweeping DM mafia at the moment), or that she's a fancy third party, or that she was simply bussing her scumbuddy for town cred.[/b]

 

Ah ha! I didn't imagine it - it just wasn't Razen. Same question, different player. Pandy - why you think there might be more than one lot of bad guys out there?

 

You and Darthe should parse my sentence more carefully. I state that my reasoning for thinking that there is a possibility that there are multiple scum teams, and that it is one of several possibilities. As Darthe said, the different possibilities I stated are 'almost contrary'. This is indicated by my use of the word 'or'.

 

 

I've never played in a game with more than one mafia team. Is it possible to have 2 teams in a game with only 20 players?

 

Yes. This is what I would consider the minimum playable setup for a two-mafia team game:

 

2 Mafia A

2 Mafia B

1 Cop

1 Doc

8 Vanilla Town

 

Total: 14.

 

Also, Razen said that he thinks it's scummy to suggest that this is a possibility. Why? If you're worried that it might be distracting to the town to consider that there's two scumteams, instead of scumhunting, then go after Rand for his mindless active-lurking, or Darthe for his endless 'yo guys, I'm confirming Peace. They can't kill both of us lol.'

 

 

 

I claimed the FF Chapter of my character with the understanding that it was vague enough to not count as a reveal.

 

Sooo... why even bother?

 

You say I am mafia, or you believe me to be Mafia? Please clarify.

 

lol

 

unvote, vote: Ithi

 

/drunk but serious

 

thsi came out of no where, and this vote was never explained. i dislike it.

 

*snip*

 

 

So why do you think there's a lie detector?

 

and you never answered why you'd think there wasn't one.

 

Firstly, I explained that elsewhere in the thread. I saw EP as a newer and therefore weaker player, and an easy target for scum.

 

Secondly, to ask me to explain why I think there wouldn't be a lie detector presumes that I usually think that there's a lie detector in mafia games. This is not so. A lie detector is an unusual role.

 

 

You had to respond to other people attacking you so many times.

 

Something about this pings. It feels weird

 

I agree. I'd be happy with a Rand lynch today. I'd also be happy with a Mynd lynch, but Rand pings more strongly. He's being active without actually scumhunting, which is the definition of 'active lurking'.

 

Also, Darthe, I think you're probably town, and I'm happy to think that you and peace have similar roles. Leave it there and do something else, now.

 

Vote: Rand

[Sakaea]

OFFICIAL VOTE COUNT:

 

Peace (6) Red, Turin, Andrew, Mynd, Lenlo, Ishy

 

Mynd (5) Songstress, peace, Tiinker, Jack, BG

 

Jack (2) Rand, Darthe

 

Rand (1) cosmicpanda

 

With 18 alive, it takes 10 to lynch.

 

Deadline: http://www.timeanddate.com/counters/fullscreen.html?mode=a&year=2012&month=June&day=22&hour=09&min=30&sec=00&p0=234

[RandA lThor]

I am actively lurking because I have nothing to say currently.

[Sedai]

I am actively lurking because I have nothing to say currently.

 

Well then don't say anything. Lulz. I'm really debating switching to you especially after that post.

[John E. Kelley]

I am actively lurking because I have nothing to say currently.

 

So your lurking is a conscious decision then? Good to know.

[RandA lThor]

OK, but then a lot of people say that I am not being active enough and get voted for it.

[Darthe]

Hmm. I'm switching my vote over to Red. My original reason for voting Alanna is 'cause I ALWAYS vote for Alanna first, but watching all this and listening to others' arguments, I can see an actual evidence to change. Not a LOT, but at least it's something. It was a toss up between Red and Jack, the two I mentioned before, but Red has more votes.

 

Anyone else in SC get hit by that thunderstorm? It was awesome. Since I turned my computer off, I went outside and stood under the car port for a while. Very warm and windy.

 

UNVOTE

 

VOTE: RED

 

On the Reread this stuck out to me, not because of an early switch in who Andrew voted for but rather his reasoning.

 

Impressions: People are attacking alanna. Does not make sense. Smacks of word twisting and scummy things. Mynd is being mynd, but that doesn't mean he can't be scum. Ishy i'm not sure about. The odds are against him being scum... Which means that its just possible. Red is being red, throwing FoS's everywhere. I don't see a case on her. I'm going to VOTE MYND to even the trains up and because one should never trust a mynd.

 

This entire post was a giant scummy WIFOM textbook post, with the added "I don't see a case so I will even the trains up" even tacked on the end. If we all hadn't been led by the nose by Ithi Maw probably would have gotten the noose day 1 for this.

 

yay mini WoT!

 

Well this is an FF game so I'm guessing there are a bunch of mason teams. Moogle, Al Bhed, Summoners, Maesters, Vieras... Chocobo trainers! Different people in Mason teams on different sides because Maesters are so secretive. Or like a group of Espers/Aeons with one night each abilities or something. Or three mafia combining to form Sephiroth if they get hold of the right item. The possibilities...

 

 

On second thought, I won't try guessing..

 

the majority of the Maesters were bad guys aka Seymour, Mika, the fat one, the Ronso was the only one not breaking the rules, and was unaware the others were

 

Wow Tiink. Some crazy speculation going on there.

 

I want to get in my FF spam. I feel slightly disadvantaged here as well since I've played a few of the FF games. The first one on NES, 3/6 depending on your way of counting, VII, a little bit of 9 though I don't remember much of it. And I never finished 13 cause I just couldn't do the same thing over and over anymore.

 

Oh... but I played the ever-livin' out of FF: Crystal Chronicles on Gamecube where you hook up Gameboy Advances as controllers. We only had 3 GBA's, but I had another Gamecube that had the GBA Player attachment on the bottom that allows you to play GBA games on your Cube. So we essentially used a full gaming system and TV to substitute for a GBA. So we hooked up 2 TVs, 2 Gamecubes, and 3 Game Boy Advances all to play this one game... Final Fantasy (and Zelda Four Swords). It was awesome.

 

not sure why I quouted this I'll figure it out eventually

 

I contend that we are all either playable characters from the series OR major bosses from the series. My character is town and from FF XIII and I am one of the playable characters from that series.

 

Why is Red opposed to any kind of reveal, even if its only the series we came from? Perhaps she's skurred we might find her scum?

 

unvote

 

vote Red

 

thats a HUGE assumption there Mynd it's quite possible that Kae could have randomly chosen any named characters

 

Mynd said he was from FFVIII and Kae said she would count that as a reveal.

 

So not really moot if you are paying attention.

 

I'm not really. Home sick with what I think is the flu, so everything is a Nyquil-induced blur right now. But as my character would say....

 

...whatever.....

 

really Ishy you're really gonna basically out yourself this early? I'm not sure if me saying who you are from this post is considered a reveal, but I do know who you are those of you on Ishy can rest assured he is safe if he did not make that quote up.

 

Mynd, you wasted a reveal. There's no reason to be smoke and mirrors about it now. Tell us who you are so you don't waste a reveal on another day too.

 

that would have been a HUGELY bad idea, as it would probably have wasted another reveal because the first only gave us playable character from 13

 

As far as the Maesters go, the "fat one" was Kinoc and the Ronso was Kelk Ronso. And while yeah, Kelk was the only "good" Maester, I wouldn't go so far as to call Kinoc "evil". Misguided maybe, and on the wrong team, but he wasn't as invested in the evil plan as Seymour and Mika.

 

As for my "reveal", I'd be willing to bet that even with my hint, 90% of the players here have no idea whos catchphrase that is.

 

Finally, I agree, to keep everyone's panties out of a wad, Mynd should most definitely not reveal his character.

FYI, I'll be in a training at work all Today and tomorrow so I won't be able to check in as much. I'll keep up, but just don't expect immediate responses from me for a few days.

 

Oh, and funny story. I came thiiiiis close to dying in that rockin Thunderstorm that was mentioned as it went over Houston. I've also been without power for 12 hours.

it was how he went about arguing that it should not count as a reveal once people cracked down on him for it that I disliked

no I don't like him claiming and then saying it should not count as a reveal because it effectively elliminates all but 8 people in the entire franchise, either he is fake claiming (which I believe is the case) or he is putting no effort into the game which I do not think is the case.

no I'm talking about the manner in which he behaved read the post every game lately is going half-assed but that is a discussion for a different day...

 

I'm not saying to reveal, I'm calling his reveal fake for one and for 2 the way he was disregarding the ruling that Kae said and pointing fingers at everyone for calling him out for using a reveal and then being all like I didn't know, Not buying it, he then retracted after the fact and begged for a reprieve (yes he basically begged) He is trying to much to be townie as we could have worked around losing 1 reveal FoS on you Jack for not putting this together yourself and defending Mynd

 

In the above posts by EP we see him begin to try casing Mynd. If it was a short thing I would be inclined to think scum ploy, but he drags this weaksauce case through the mud over the next few pages. He also tried to role fish from ishy above, which is potentially indicative of him not knowing ishy's role. Or ishy could be mafia bussing him from the QT =p that one is more inconclusive.

 

This was another statement that I had brushed off despite the vote (I'm surprised I don't start D1 with more than one); but its design caught my eye.

 

Impressions: People are attacking alanna. Does not make sense. Smacks of word twisting and scummy things. Mynd is being mynd, but that doesn't mean he can't be scum. Ishy i'm not sure about. The odds are against him being scum... Which means that its just possible. Red is being red, throwing FoS's everywhere. I don't see a case on her. I'm going to VOTE MYND to even the trains up and because one should never trust a mynd.

 

Maw had made a statement earlier that caught my eye, using a pretty common lynch case technique I like to call the scum sandwich. He starts off with a vague accusation about his target (me in this case), then makes a few statements about other players scumminess and then defends them in those same statements, to give off the illusion of actually casing other players, then returns to his vote on his target (me).

 

Mynd is dead on here

 

What are his reasons? As stated, 1) to even the trains up and because 2) one should never trust a mynd.

 

Let's take the second one first. No one should trust anyone else in a mafia game until endgame. Even a finder should never be 100% sure of their results, especially in epic games such as this with multiple roles. To state that one should never trust me is accurate, but that same statement can be made for anyone. Hell, I don't trust myself sometimes in these games. The first person to say they completely trust another player should be the first one lynched IMO.

 

The first statement baffles me. This evened the trains up? What trains? All ten of them? Is this a joke? Perhaps it is. Perhaps Maw's vote is simply a "Day 1 joke vote" type deal, but then why the overcompensation in its justification? If it is a joke vote, then why the need to appear to be doing a proper casing?

 

Maw defends an apparent attack on alannalynn, to which even AJ replies "HUH?"

 

Maw says that the odds of Ishy being scum are low. Srsly? What exactly are the odds again of one being scum? Oh right, exactly the same as anyone else in this game.

 

Maw says that Red is being Red. Not exactly. In fact, she is cold-footing this game compared to her normal WOT that would make Robert Jordan blush. Red is high on my list right now because she's only made one casing post, the rest have been coy spam, like she is covering up for something. I contend that Maw didn't read anything Red said, and simply made that statement in order to dismiss anything she says.

 

Once more, this is dead on but could also be due to her impending wedding. Truly, inconclusive in many ways. It does make Mynd Appear to be scum hunting though.

 

The problem with the belief that Day 1 is random is that it causes a mob mentality of "lynch whoever as long as it isn't me" which is dangerous to the town. We have plenty of time to make a decision, yet this early in the game, many of us are comfortable with sitting back and waiting until near deadline to bandwagon, which obviously only helps the scum. I am considering in the next game I mod making deadline 6 hours from the start of the game.

 

So let's agree on a plan. One based on logic and town oriented. Lets not hand Day 1 to the scum because we are all skurred to be lynched first.

Maw's scum sandwich post wasn't a cognitive thing. Its human nature to try and overcompensate for where we are lacking, we do so subconsciously. When you break down Maw's vote, whether it was me or anyone else, it simply has no real tangible basis at all. In fact, its almost like he cut/pasted past arguments made in other games into one paragraph. He tosses in three other players but then justifies their actions in the same sentence he mentions them, even defends AJ in a way that even made her question where he was going with it.

 

The trains thing was really odd though. Unless he meant we should have 10 one vote trains, that statement seems sloppy.

9. You may hint at your character. If you are unsure of what would be a vague hint, ask me in a PM.

10. No more than 3 reveals per day.

 

 

I will consider revealing which game you are from as one of the 3 reveals per day. The reason for this is one of my last games almost broke due to a mass reveal, and I don't want that to happen here.

 

Not going to question the Mod, but I think telling what FF game you were in is a far cry from outright revealing. Still, I will conform to the rules. I do beg the Mod to consider my "reveal" as null in light of this not being clear and wide open to misunderstanding. I'm sure many would agree that saying one is Rikku and saying they are from FF X-2 is a lot different, so I would beg the Mod to give us a mulligan in this case.

 

i swear i saw Kae post something about revealing what game your character is from counted as a reveal, but going back and looking i can't find it so i retract that.

 

since Kae isn't counting the type of reveals your asking for i retract half my FoS but is still don't liek the thought of a mass reveal of any sort. imo it ruins the spirit of the game, causes more confusion than helps and outs more important town roles than traps scum. hence my reason for voting you. also, i dislike how your pushing the envelope with this reveal thing and making it the focus instead of normal scum hunting; it feels like a diversion and distraction.

 

i also dislike pushign the envelope with reveals on thread, take it to PM with Kae if you want to see how far you can step on the line. given the reveals are limited, that makee me want to be even more miserly with them than normal and i don't want our reveals being "accidently used" in case we need them.

 

you Kae.

 

Is this a hint at Leblanc?

 

ping for character fishing. i would count this as joking, but given your bulldogging the issue of reveals i'm takign it as something more.

 

This comes across to me as quick overcompensation for being called out earlier.

 

So, I've read through this. Most of it's not very interesting. Let's not get too caught up in characters, since that's limited by the mod anyway, and instead play mafia.

 

Why do people think that voting for Mynd is a good idea? I jokevoted Mynd, and since then he's had two more 'to even up the trains'. That's not playing mafia, that's voting for no reason.

 

if all you got from my vote was that it was to even up the trains then your skimming my posts. and given that i'm not posting much or many WoTs currently due to the PR this screams of fishing for a reason to defend Mynd and link yourself with him. IGMEOY (i've got my eyes on you) *pronounced ehg-me-oye*

 

WIFOM and the third time Red mentions her PR keeping her from posting

 

Meh, day one in the game with no pressure and no clue of the games mechanics is a very poor time to reveal anyhow. Three per day is a limit, not a goal. My opinion on this is that it was, once again, Mynd's way to get the game moving so we have things to look back on. Notice that he has been quiet since. I think that many of your responses have been more indicative of your goals than his statement, which essentially meant nothing. In that regard I suppose it is a success.

 

In any case, jack are you the same jack from myndjack?

 

i've noticed this as well, which makes me more suspicous of the tactic tbh.

 

Still holds true

 

Excellent! Glad to have you in another game! I wonder why red disappeared the second the heat was off...

 

you're obviosuly skimming cause in another post i said i was being miserly with my post due to the PR and was getting off for the night.

 

also, i post mainly from work, so work takes prescedent over games.

 

Fourth mention of the PR affecting post count, it would have been a good D1 excuse to stay under the radar.

 

Maw had made a statement earlier that caught my eye, using a pretty common lynch case technique I like to call the scum sandwich. He starts off with a vague accusation about his target (me in this case), then makes a few statements about other players scumminess and then defends them in those same statements, to give off the illusion of actually casing other players, then returns to his vote on his target (me).

 

What are his reasons? As stated, 1) to even the trains up and because 2) one should never trust a mynd.

 

Let's take the second one first. No one should trust anyone else in a mafia game until endgame. Even a finder should never be 100% sure of their results, especially in epic games such as this with multiple roles. To state that one should never trust me is accurate, but that same statement can be made for anyone. Hell, I don't trust myself sometimes in these games. The first person to say they completely trust another player should be the first one lynched IMO.

 

The first statement baffles me. This evened the trains up? What trains? All ten of them? Is this a joke? Perhaps it is. Perhaps Maw's vote is simply a "Day 1 joke vote" type deal, but then why the overcompensation in its justification? If it is a joke vote, then why the need to appear to be doing a proper casing?

 

Maw defends an apparent attack on alannalynn, to which even AJ replies "HUH?"

 

Maw says that the odds of Ishy being scum are low. Srsly? What exactly are the odds again of one being scum? Oh right, exactly the same as anyone else in this game.

 

Maw says that Red is being Red. Not exactly. In fact, she is cold-footing this game compared to her normal WOT that would make Robert Jordan blush. Red is high on my list right now because she's only made one casing post, the rest have been coy spam, like she is covering up for something. I contend that Maw didn't read anything Red said, and simply made that statement in order to dismiss anything she says.

 

i can fly with a Maw train *nods*

 

Mynd we've been over this in every game now (this makes it 5 btw) my play style has changed, i'm not as active as i used to be nor do i post the amount of WoTs i used to. your meta on me is out dated. each time you've used this meta to lead a case on me, you've lynched me as town. i suggest an upgrade bro.

 

also, i've tappered off my posting in this game due to the PR, this will stop once Day ends; but as i dont' play the game due to it being turn based (nor have i seen the movie) i'm limited in my knoweldge about the franchise.

 

Fifth. I honestly have no clue about Red atm, but all of this made her stick out to me early on. I would still lynch Maw/Jack 2.0 first but wait for it....

 

Final Fantasy is awesome because the movie had steller and ground breaking CGI!!

[AndrewLee]

*blink* Okaaaaay. Lots to read there. But lemme just post my little bit here that your MASSIVE post distracted me from:

 

I feel that the Rand vote was a little out of nowhere. And Cosmicpanda's reasoning didn't feel right to me either, especially when compared to the scuminess Peace and Darthe (Darthe WAY more than Peace lately) have been showing. Think you could spell it out for me Panda? 'Cause I guess what I see as Mafia behavior, others might not, and I could be missing something obvious... I might as well be new to Mafia, it's been so long since my last game. (Years)

 

Now to read that freakishly large post of Darthe's...

[Darthe]

FoS @ Jack and Ishy.

 

 

i'm being miserly with my posts, why are you trying to get me to post more. feels liek your tryign to get me to slip up on my PR so i'll be MKd.

 

 

SCUMMY SCUMMY SCUMMSTERS!!!

 

 

 

Final Fantasy is awesome because its a multi-verse, and multi-verses are epically cool!!

 

clearly a joke, and everyone gets that and nobody cares.

 

Im gonna try red's method with a bit more umph: The PR thing is a weak excuse because anyone can say anything about ff good and it count! Can't you?

 

SCUMMY SCUMMY SCUMMY

 

And a lot of us post at work. This is a SCUMMY excuse to sneak under the radar!!!!

 

******

Wow that does make the game more fun! :p

 

For red, here you go so you have no excuse anymore:

 

FF is amazing because it's make by Square Enix!

 

FF is awesome because I love the character depth!

 

FF rules because the people that make it made the best game ever: Chrono Trigger!

 

FF is grand because it's open!

 

FF rules because it redefined RPG's.

 

FF is great because people cosplay it.

 

FF is wonderful as a game and series because of the flashiness and design involved!

 

Feel free to copy and paste at your leisure.

 

my post, along the same lines and to this moment not commented on by the mod.

 

Im gonna try red's method with a bit more umph: The PR thing is a weak excuse because anyone can say anything about ff good and it count! Can't you?

 

SCUMMY SCUMMY SCUMMY

 

And a lot of us post at work. This is a SCUMMY excuse to sneak under the radar!!!!

 

******

Wow that does make the game more fun! :p

 

For red, here you go so you have no excuse anymore:

 

FF is amazing because it's make by Square Enix!

 

FF is awesome because I love the character depth!

 

FF rules because the people that make it made the best game ever: Chrono Trigger!

 

FF is grand because it's open!

 

FF rules because it redefined RPG's.

 

FF is great because people cosplay it.

 

FF is wonderful as a game and series because of the flashiness and design involved!

 

Feel free to copy and paste at your leisure.

 

I don't see Red as flying under the radar and you supplying her with items to fulfill her PR requirement makes me suspicious. She's provided reasoning and cases. Maybe not to the extent that she normally does, but I haven't seen a proper casing from you either. So I find it hypocritical of you to say that Red is hiding behind a PR when you haven't exactly cased either. Not to mention I think it's bad form to be helping her fulfill her PR - the point is that it is a RESTRICTION - she has to remember to include a sentence like those you supplied with each post, and it's supposed to be a challenge (albeit a slight one in this case). I'm sure she'll appreciate the list, but I dislike how you've eased the burden on Red.

 

Just curious as to why Jack and Ishy want themselves to be mentioned in a Red wall of text. Considering how Red likes to FoS the entire group of players, I'm a little curious as to how they escaped the all encompassing FoS.

 

Maw, in my opinion, threw out an awful reason to vote Mynd that basically boiled down to the fact that Mynd is Mynd, but I'm not convinced that he's scum. I'm getting more of a lazy townie read from him at the moment. And any reason for that quote you just posted, Maw?

 

My reason for voting Ishy was due to the fact that he had slipped in the hint about his character and that I believed that he had used a reveal. Now that it's been made clear that he did not use a reveal, I am going to Unvote.

 

This made a lot of sense to me, and combined with the below gives me a good town read on Razen.

 

no I don't like him claiming and then saying it should not count as a reveal because it effectively elliminates all but 8 people in the entire franchise, either he is fake claiming (which I believe is the case) or he is putting no effort into the game which I do not think is the case.

 

Ok, a lot of speculation is being tossed around, most of it laughable, but this caught my eye.

 

Why is Eternal Phoenix afraid of narrowing down ourselves by FF Chapter? As those who are not skimming the game but actually reading understand, I claimed the FF Chapter of my character with the understanding that it was vague enough to not count as a reveal. A polite and respectful objection to the mod was made and she concurred that it did not count. So, I am still not sure where the problem is....unless EP and a few others are upset about being narrowed down.

 

I mean, if we have six players from XII and as we progress, three of them are revealed to be Vaan, Penelo, and Fran then we have a pretty good idea that among the other three, one has to be a boss (aka. Vayne or Cid). It baffles me that people play this game with emotion rather than logic. Claiming our FF Chapters does not waste reveals but it does help us sort who is who.

 

What raised my eyebrow about EP's statement is that he presents only two of several possibilities, as one who is pushing blindly on a case out of fear. He has made up his mind to lynch me, but he just wants to rally support before he pushes forward. He insults the other players in this game by assuming they would agree with him rather than forming their own opinions. I have not claimed a player at all. I have only claimed the FF Chapter (or franchise? Story? Episode?) that my character belongs.

 

As far as my effort, I think that was simply stated to get some kind of reaction out of me. I'm not sure what he bases this opinion on.

 

No Mynd I am not voting you because if you are telling the truth I know exactly who you are based on Kae, I'm a HUGE FF nerd. I just don't know whether to trust you or not yet hence me stating reasons not to trust you. again, I have still yet to vote anyone in this game but there have been several things that have come off as odd.

 

ok here is the first mention of knowing pretty sure exactly who Mynd is

 

Actually EP, to me any playable character in FF is a main character. Every main boss is a main character, including Espers. Like I said, I only claimed what series I am from. If that narrows it down for you, then you must also be from the same series.

 

Red seems like she's trying to act Red rather than be Red. She posts another WOT after I called her out on it, yet its much more playful and spaztic. One could guess that she's scum trying to make up for a guilty conscience.

 

As far as claiming, I have come around on the whole character claiming thing, it does spoil some otherwise great games; however, there is a difference between claiming a character and simply stating which FF series your character is from for the purposes of sorting us. I find it quite revealing that only a handful of players are trying to say that this is a scum play when it can only help the town.

 

no it narrows it down because I know who is playable in 13 I've played almost every FF, plus I remember a certain siggy Kae used to have...

 

oh look another mention on the same page because Mynd for some reason thought I come from the same game.

 

Also you seem fairly confident that we are only asigned main characters, did you get a memo I did not? last I checked we are not all main characters. maybe playable characters and bosses but not all main characters and bosses.

 

How do you know which characters we are? How do you know what characters anyone is? No-one has died yet - unless I missed something last night. You must be on a team to know anything for sure about anyone else's character.

 

Unvote - vote EP

 

I wish I was still in bed

 

oh and further down the same page Ithi votes me for knowing other characters, I know who I am and pretty sure I know who Mynd is and am almost positive I know who Ishy is, so either you are calling us all scum because I know FF or you are scum for trying to reach and ignore my previously stated reasoning for figuring out who they were.

 

I pulled up EP's reasons for a vote on Ithi. So basically, it boils down to the fact that she's not familiar with the source material and is asking him why he thinks he knows who other people's characters are. I think that's a completely bogus reason for a vote - because in every game, there's bound to be someone that doesn't know the source material that well, so by that theory, when anyone unfamiliar with source material asks that question, they are scum.

 

As to how EP thinks he knows Mynd's character, I think that's toeing the line of gaming the mod. And when he calls Ithi out for assuming that we all got main characters, he points out that there is a distinction between playable characters and bosses and main characters and bosses. Again, with the assumption that everyone's as familiar with the source material as he is.

i'll be posting sparce today, my company's hosting our annual Shrimp BOil so i wont be at my desk much and the weekand ofcourse starts for me on Friday so i might or might not be able to get on.

 

Wow that does make the game more fun! :p

 

For red, here you go so you have no excuse anymore:

 

FF is amazing because it's make by Square Enix!

 

FF is awesome because I love the character depth!

 

FF rules because the people that make it made the best game ever: Chrono Trigger!

 

FF is grand because it's open!

 

FF rules because it redefined RPG's.

 

FF is great because people cosplay it.

 

FF is wonderful as a game and series because of the flashiness and design involved!

 

Feel free to copy and paste at your leisure.

 

Darthe you have a hard-on for me. i'll have you know i'm a taken girl and by fiancee and warder Bubba is a war vet who is rather possessive of me. i'd advice you to apply for affection else where *nods*

 

also, their not excuses, but explinations for my decreased interaction and posting in the game. call it what you want, but if you want to make a case out of it and lynch me then i'll be happy in that my corner report will atleast expose you for the scum you seem to be.

 

also, your right that the PR woudln't be a good reason to limit my posting IF i knew the source material. the only reason i know as much i do abotu the series is because i'm an avid gammer and a lover of RPGs. i've tried to find a 100 reasons FF is awesome/epic/great/outstanding/ect site but all i coudl find was 10 reason. most are sites about why FF sucks. as such, you've pretty much posted the rest of the PR stuff i had planned to write and i'm waiting on clarify if its okay for me to post similar things to what you said or if it woudl result in a MK. if Kae doesn't allow it, there there are few things i can say abotu the game series after this post

 

 

So why do you think there's a lie detector?

 

Why are you subtly role fishing?

 

Haha, yeah, that was real subtle role fishing.

 

So, Jack, if you please, kindly answer Ithi's question.

 

Panda you still need to answer the question. and nice way to try deflection.

 

 

I believe you may be mafia and are the most likely player on Day 1. You are squirming a lot too. You are over reacting a great deal. All traits that a caught scum often show.

 

Making statements like asking people who vote you if they think you are mafia is very strange behavior. Why else would they vote you?

 

ditto on what Peace says

 

I pulled up EP's reasons for a vote on Ithi. So basically, it boils down to the fact that she's not familiar with the source material and is asking him why he thinks he knows who other people's characters are. I think that's a completely bogus reason for a vote - because in every game, there's bound to be someone that doesn't know the source material that well, so by that theory, when anyone unfamiliar with source material asks that question, they are scum.

 

As to how EP thinks he knows Mynd's character, I think that's toeing the line of gaming the mod. And when he calls Ithi out for assuming that we all got main characters, he points out that there is a distinction between playable characters and bosses and main characters and bosses. Again, with the assumption that everyone's as familiar with the source material as he is.

 

 

agreed about EPs case

 

 

 

Final Fantasy is awesome becuase it has a good soundtrack

 

Early on the EP train and still contributing. With late clarification of Why she didn't post as much under the PR it was dropped. Recapping this area, I got a town read on Mynd, Razen, and Ithi (though there was some confusion over the next couple of pages). I got a middling read on Red, Andrew, and Ishy, and I got a pingy vibe from Maw and EP. I will continue with this in the morning. Page 17

[Darthe]

Back on this last page for a moment and, wow Rand I swear you ping more than a game of Pong in Southern Asia.

[Lenlo]

I dont know whether or not to find that amusing Darthe.

[John E. Kelley]

@Darthe.....

 

tl;dr

[cosmicpanda]

I feel that the Rand vote was a little out of nowhere. And Cosmicpanda's reasoning didn't feel right to me either, especially when compared to the scuminess Peace and Darthe (Darthe WAY more than Peace lately) have been showing. Think you could spell it out for me Panda? 'Cause I guess what I see as Mafia behavior, others might not, and I could be missing something obvious... I might as well be new to Mafia, it's been so long since my last game. (Years)

 

So, just to confirm, you're happy with Rand's play, and you think he's town?

 

How are Peace and Darthe scummy? They don't seem to be trying to lynch town. All Darthe's doing is trying to confirm Peace. He's tripped up all over himself, but I read that as him being new.

 

This is how I play mafia, btw.

[Songstress]

A few notes while I have the time...

 

Maw/Jack 2.0: Maw's reaction to Ithi's godfather comment was eyebrow-raising... the lurking/asking to be replaced bit I can't really comment on since I haven't been able to be as active as I should be either, and at one point I did consider asking to be replaced due to some IRL considerations, but changed my mind. *ducks from the mod's glare*... I'd prefer to wait and see on him now that Jack has replaced him. Will be watching this one closely.

 

Ishy: Some of his early actions D1 were far too obviously scummy. He's very good at flying under the radar, so it looks to me like he wanted the attention for some reason. Perhaps trying to bait a cop viewing? Defending Ithi very strongly. Also watching him.

 

Panda: His comment on the possibility of multiple scum teams was very curious indeed. I've followed along with every game on DM for the last several months even if I'm not in it, and I haven't seen a big "trend" to having multiple scum teams. Wombat's ASoIaF game was advertised as multi-faction, but the only other one I can remember in the last few months that had multiple scum teams was Soy's... and nobody knew for sure there was more than one team for a good while, except those who saw EP's flip after he was modkilled and realized he wasn't on their team. Kae's initial game setup information gives no indication that there's a possibility of more than one mafia team, especially since she lists the win conditions for town and mafia in the first post, and the mafia win condition looks very standard. In Soy's game, the win condition we were given at the beginning was a bit of a clue, as we were told our team would win when we "outnumbered everyone else".

 

Rand: Coming across as defensive about the active lurking issue. Post when you have something of substance to add to the conversation. Don't try to boost your post count with nonsense.

 

Peace: Not sure what to make of him. I have zero FF knowledge, so I'm relying on those who have a good understanding of the canon to help make sense of his claim, and I'm still not 100% sure whether it does. Razen seems to believe it does, but Mynd and Ishy, who also appear to know quite a lot, are still voting him. Do you guys not believe his claim, or are his actions just scummy enough to outweigh that consideration in your opinion?

 

Darthe: Dude. Even when I do a multi-part WoT, I delete the irrelevant bits and limit the requoting of other people's Walls of Quotations. Edit, please, for clarity if for nothing else.

[Sedai]

Lulz I'm always being looked at close. Haven't played with ishi but that seems like a bit of a reach. Since I can't compare meta's though that's irrelevant. Also agree with your point about rand. In fact I think I made it :p

[Razen]

Peace: Not sure what to make of him. I have zero FF knowledge, so I'm relying on those who have a good understanding of the canon to help make sense of his claim, and I'm still not 100% sure whether it does. Razen seems to believe it does, but Mynd and Ishy, who also appear to know quite a lot, are still voting him. Do you guys not believe his claim, or are his actions just scummy enough to outweigh that consideration in your opinion?

 

I was initially skeptical of Peace's claim as well until he said that he could cast Ultima as part of his role to take Kuja (EP) out with him. He said that he was hinting at Ultima for a while, and Ultima is a spell that Vivi can cast. That connected the dots for me and led me to believe Peace's claim for now.

 

I'm more thinking that Darthe is covering for someone. His certainty that Ultimecia is in the game signals that he too has a counter-style ability like Peace has claimed. What I don't understand is how he's getting that his flip will vet Peace. Unless they are masons and able to communicate (which is highly unlikely given that the villains that they claimed to counter were from different FF games), then Darthe's flip does nothing to tell us about Peace. Just because Darthe may be telling the truth does not mean that Peace is. And vice versa.