There Goes the Neighborhood (Game Thread) - GAME OVER MAFIA WIN

[Blackhoof]

I dusagree that player is a better lynch than limi. we would learn little from his death, but from limi we could vet Darthe or find out if threre is a redirector.

[Myndrunner]

I dusagree that player is a better lynch than limi. we would learn little from his death, but from limi we could vet Darthe or find out if threre is a redirector.

Atrocious spelling aside, you miss the point of lynching. Had Darthe found Limi to be scum, there would be no debate. He found her town and there is sufficient evidence to believe him already without lynching someone he told was town. If Limi flips town, it doesn't prove Darthe is telling the truth. He could just as easily be lying, banking that we either lynch a townie or one of the opposing mafia. I'm not saying we write either of them off as potentially scum, but they are less likely and the risks are too great. Would you lynch a confirmed townie? If we are to believe Darthe, then Limi is as close to a confirmed townie as we can get.

 

Think back to the game where you were one of the masons. You three were safe because killing one of you would mean the other two were completely vetted. Knowing this, the mafia chose to pick off others with their kills. If you three were mafia vouching for each other, it would have been so easy to nail all three of you as scum so we had to assume you guys were telling the truth. Turns out you were.

 

Hmm? I've been scum in other games.. What does it have to do with anything?

Lol, see Mynd 1.0's theory on likelyhood and probability.

 

As soon as someone starts questioning a lynch and actually do some scumhunting, I get accused of being scummy.

You mean like you did to me? The moment I start questioning the Limi lynch, you came after me. Goose meet gander.

[Myndrunner]

Nice to be still alive, lol. Trying to figure out what to do with all this WIFOM... expect something longer this evening.

 

That's what he said, of course!

[Arez Al'Loke]

I thought we came to the conclusion that Mynd 1.0 was lucky. Anyway, as I said, I've been scum.

 

When did I come after you Mynd... Give me a quote and I'll say "sorry, I had forgotten that"

[Myndrunner]

I thought we came to the conclusion that Mynd 1.0 was lucky. Anyway, as I said, I've been scum.

 

When did I come after you Mynd... Give me a quote and I'll say "sorry, I had forgotten that"

 

You seem very bent on ignoring the issue at hand.

 

There is no possible way that everyone could just set aside a thing like this. And I didn't suggest lynching Darthe, I have never done so. I think that anyone who fought for lynching Darthe are worth keeping an eye on.

 

Could you make your apology in the form of a rock ballad or dirty limerick?

[Arez Al'Loke]

You are very sensitive Mynd =P

 

That wasn't even close to an attack.. So your argument is invalid on that point.

If you'd known me better, you would know how redonkules your statement was xP

 

I always want to hear every possible scenario, every persons oppinion. That's what makes the game fun..

And ultimately.. That's what helps us win aswell! Being oblivious to everything but your own oppinion is a deathsentence to town.

You have to be willing to bite your tongue and swallow your pride. If you're wrong, than you're wrong, simple.

 

Fighting for a case that is wrong only serves to damage the town's chance of winning.

That's why I relented on the Limi Darthe case.

 

But being open minded doesn't mean I have to accept everything people tell me.

Limi told me I was scummy because of my low post count. I don't care really.

But then she also remarked that I haven't done anything usefull for the town aswell.

I saw truth in those words and started scumhunting more efficiently.

 

But suddenly, people attack me for being " jumpy " or w/e you choose to call it, because I'm trying to help.

And I'm scummy because I can see sence in other people's arguments.

 

Judge it for yourselves, I'm doing what I can do help. That's that. Hope you know me atleast a tad better now Mynd.

[Myndrunner]

You are the rock of ages!

[Ironeyes]

Hmm? I've been scum in other games.. What does it have to do with anything?

 

As soon as someone starts questioning a lynch and actually do some scumhunting, I get accused of being scummy.

 

"You go after people who are already being looked at, and never suggest any one on your own"

So in order to be helpful to the town, I have to find someone who has not currently been FoS'd, and then claim he's scum?

 

You can call it defensive if you want. I think it's best to consider all possibilites, Devil's lawyer, I believe it's called. But If you're all so dent on Player being scum because he has a low post count and he was the hammer on Nolder, then go ahead.

 

That's "Devil's Advocate," and I do it all the time. I think you're getting to the point of scummy with your defenses, even though I don't agree with Mynd. I'm keeping my vote where it is.

[Myndrunner]

Hmm? I've been scum in other games.. What does it have to do with anything?

 

As soon as someone starts questioning a lynch and actually do some scumhunting, I get accused of being scummy.

 

"You go after people who are already being looked at, and never suggest any one on your own"

So in order to be helpful to the town, I have to find someone who has not currently been FoS'd, and then claim he's scum?

 

You can call it defensive if you want. I think it's best to consider all possibilites, Devil's lawyer, I believe it's called. But If you're all so dent on Player being scum because he has a low post count and he was the hammer on Nolder, then go ahead.

 

That's "Devil's Advocate," and I do it all the time. I think you're getting to the point of scummy with your defenses, even though I don't agree with Mynd. I'm keeping my vote where it is.

 

Oh baby, why must we always fight?

[keyholder21]

Key also never replied to me comment concerning her vote on Peace.

Limi, I haven’t replied to you because I haven’t been on DM. I did say that I would be gone for last night and then part of today. I just happened to be hung up for longer than I thought today. Furthermore, there’s nothing in your comment that states you were looking for a response. I’ll indulge you though.

 

Seeing as how he had been casing me all day with weak reasons (which turns out her did the exact same thing as me for the same reasons) and he dragged my name through the mud in his final words, I don't particularly feel any regrets on being the hammer. The fact that I was the hammer doesn't change the that at the time you THOUGHT it was your vote.

 

Personally, I'm not saying that it was just that one time, I am saying that you are pinging me, along with several others.

I’m confused at what the problem is…and what you’re wanting me to respond to. I don’t have any regrets to being what I thought was the hammer, and I said nothing about that. Rather, this is what you said (bolding mine):

Key claims that she thought she was the one to hammer him, and her reason was the bolded parts of his reveal. Essentially she voted on him because he said he was scum.

And this is what I said:

Really not getting why you two are coming after .

 

Furthermore, I just went back and looked at all the votes on Peace, I didn't see where he voted for himself, so that is either a typo or someone was controlling his vote.

 

Limi - you voted him for that reason, and you technically were the hammer, so if that looks scummy on me, it looks scummy on you also.

Bolded: What I meant, and thought was clear – my bad if it wasn’t – was that you *also* voted him for stating that he was scummy.

 

Ah..this train builds so fast.

 

Ok ok..yall got me. I'm scummy scummy scummy...but EP you are so wrong. I am not ITALIAN. I am a patch wearing KINGS OF HELL MC member and I will ride until I die.

 

Now I am going to give you townees a little bit of a treat here. There are indeed at least 2 mafia's in this game. One of my faction has a nice little role. Mafia tracker. He is able to follow one player each night. Why did I want Limi lynched? Cause she visited Mynd night 1. We don't know what she did..but she was there. We need the other scum gone cause they can night kill us, just as easy as they can NK town. Same goes for our faction.

 

 

Let me get this right... You just admitted to being scum, you are saying I "visited" Mynd (even though Darthe already admitted to doing so), and you expect to live?

Whether you voted him for more reasons or not, you also stated that you were voting for him for admitting to being scum, so why is my vote for that same reason, suspect? Additionally, I am still unclear on why that vote is such a big deal. He said he was scum (and was) and I voted for what I thought was a hammer vote.

 

One more comment for you as well. You claim I am playing quiet and unlike myself but you (self-stated) haven’t played in a year or more. If I recall correctly, there were several times that I got in trouble for being INactive - which you did love to call me out for, lol, so how I can be quieter than that I don’t know. Also, people change with their playstyles, so how I played a year ago when I was pretty new at this game is different from how I play now.

[Ironeyes]

Hmm? I've been scum in other games.. What does it have to do with anything?

 

As soon as someone starts questioning a lynch and actually do some scumhunting, I get accused of being scummy.

 

"You go after people who are already being looked at, and never suggest any one on your own"

So in order to be helpful to the town, I have to find someone who has not currently been FoS'd, and then claim he's scum?

 

You can call it defensive if you want. I think it's best to consider all possibilites, Devil's lawyer, I believe it's called. But If you're all so dent on Player being scum because he has a low post count and he was the hammer on Nolder, then go ahead.

 

That's "Devil's Advocate," and I do it all the time. I think you're getting to the point of scummy with your defenses, even though I don't agree with Mynd. I'm keeping my vote where it is.

 

Oh baby, why must we always fight?

 

I respect your scum hunting abilities, but after seeing you from the other side in the Sith game, I learned that you aren't always doing the best thing for the town, even if you think you are.

[Darthe]

I am highly considering viewing Mynd tonight because if he is cleared then we have a strong base for scum hunting on that end.

[Myndrunner]

Hmm? I've been scum in other games.. What does it have to do with anything?

 

As soon as someone starts questioning a lynch and actually do some scumhunting, I get accused of being scummy.

 

"You go after people who are already being looked at, and never suggest any one on your own"

So in order to be helpful to the town, I have to find someone who has not currently been FoS'd, and then claim he's scum?

 

You can call it defensive if you want. I think it's best to consider all possibilites, Devil's lawyer, I believe it's called. But If you're all so dent on Player being scum because he has a low post count and he was the hammer on Nolder, then go ahead.

 

That's "Devil's Advocate," and I do it all the time. I think you're getting to the point of scummy with your defenses, even though I don't agree with Mynd. I'm keeping my vote where it is.

 

Oh baby, why must we always fight?

 

I respect your scum hunting abilities, but after seeing you from the other side in the Sith game, I learned that you aren't always doing the best thing for the town, even if you think you are.

 

Are you scum hunting or are you looking to discredit me? Why do you still feel that Limi would be the best lynch?

[Ironeyes]

Hmm? I've been scum in other games.. What does it have to do with anything?

 

As soon as someone starts questioning a lynch and actually do some scumhunting, I get accused of being scummy.

 

"You go after people who are already being looked at, and never suggest any one on your own"

So in order to be helpful to the town, I have to find someone who has not currently been FoS'd, and then claim he's scum?

 

You can call it defensive if you want. I think it's best to consider all possibilites, Devil's lawyer, I believe it's called. But If you're all so dent on Player being scum because he has a low post count and he was the hammer on Nolder, then go ahead.

 

That's "Devil's Advocate," and I do it all the time. I think you're getting to the point of scummy with your defenses, even though I don't agree with Mynd. I'm keeping my vote where it is.

 

Oh baby, why must we always fight?

 

I respect your scum hunting abilities, but after seeing you from the other side in the Sith game, I learned that you aren't always doing the best thing for the town, even if you think you are.

 

Are you scum hunting or are you looking to discredit me? Why do you still feel that Limi would be the best lynch?

 

I still think she has been acting scummy. Player's been pretty clean so far.

[Little Miss]

I think you have a weak case Marsh, You were fine with me until Peace said something, it's only been since I pointed out that you deserve watching because of how you've been playing.

[Kaylee]

I know I've been quiet lately. I've been doing a re-read and putting my spreadsheet together. I'm still behind on that. However, tomorrow, whether or not I'm caught up, I will post my thoughts thus far. There are some things I want to go back and look at before I do.

[Myndrunner]

"I don't like Kaylee's name. She has too many E's and Jewel Staite is too perky. That's scummy to me."

 

 

....apparently to some, the statement above would be considered scum-hunting. Let's try using logic....or has that been lynched too?

[Blackhoof]

well, what would peace have to gain by revealing, forfeiting his chance to fight until the end, and pointing a finger of suspicion at a random townie? nothing. now, we know that there are redirectors and godfathers that can confuse finder reports, so in this case i think peace may be telling the truth. besides, limi was a fairly obvious target for finder viewings last night, so a bus driver (especially a mafia one) would have a good chance to save a teammate by switching the targets. ALTERNATIVELY, maybe limi is a King godfather, and peace tried to make certain she was viewed by throwing this WIFOM at us. he banked on us either dismissing his claims as lies (thus giving limi town cred) or having a finder view her to be certain, "confirming" her as town. sure it is risky since it could go sideways like now, but out of the question? especially since limi was already under suspicion iirc?

[dapianoplay3r]

Back from work.

I just wanted to say so far im not that active but im not completely gone. I post everyday if I can and some days (like tomorrow) Ill have the day off and be around all the time. It's not really something I can help. I just do really long hours

[bgrishinko]

I think leaving the Darthe/Limi WIFOM in the air to be a bad idea. One way or the other I want to resolve that situation. With at least 2 mafia teams, we can't have suspicion on our Cop all day long. I still think we'd learn a lot more from lynching Darthe since he has a "backup" but I can see the logic in not immediately killing him on the off chance he is telling the truth. But if Limi really is Vanilla Town, then it isn't a huge loss and we know that Darthe told the truth at least once and the Peace was spreading WIFOM lies.

 

Unvote: Vote Limi

 

I still don't trust Mynd 2.0's nighttime ploys of pretending to be SK. I think that given the circumstances of this game, 2+ teams mafia, a dead Vig. etc. that it was a rouse to get opinions on who to NK. Then he could NK whomever he pleased that would shed the most foul light on whoever he pleased, claim vanilla town, and say "interesting X person died when Y person suggested them." Blah blah. As such, I'm not giving much credence to his casings currently.

 

Full disclosure: I am vanilla town. I really did feel QUITE certain that Nolder was lying day one and I was wrong. It was mud on my face. Either way I figured I could use the WIFOM to draw kills to myself by implying that my role was something more important than it really was since I'm less important than others. I didn't reveal right away cause a bunch of people said they thought it would be a bad idea and I could roll with that, plus it helped me to see who wanted to push me to reveal like Limi is doing now.

[Ironeyes]

"I don't like Kaylee's name. She has too many E's and Jewel Staite is too perky. That's scummy to me."

 

 

....apparently to some, the statement above would be considered scum-hunting. Let's try using logic....or has that been lynched too?

 

LOL!

[bgrishinko]

Unofficial Vote Count, I believe.

 

 

Limi (8) - Kae, Basel, iron, Key, Hoof, Razen, Piano, BG

Darthe (1) - Aiel Heart

Piano (1) - Mynd

 

 

19 alive it takes 10 to lynch.

 

http://www.timeandda...in=&sec=&p0=412

[SBoydW]

Limi (8) - Kae, Basel, iron, Key, Hoof, Razen, Player, BG

Darthe (1) - Aiel Heart

Piano (1) - Mynd

 

 

19 alive it takes 10 to lynch.

 

http://www.timeandda...in=&sec=&p0=412

[Darthe]

Why is AH still fighting to lynch me? I understand mynd's vote as it is where the town should be today but the vote on me at this point seems to simply be there to show that she is voting...

[Darthe]

and so this game slows. Limi, you are about to be lynched. I hate to say it but with you up eight things do not look good. Any words that you would like to share?