[ADVANCED/KITCHEN SINK] The Axe or the Hammer - GAME OVER

[Cuathon]

Yes, that.

 

I'm not taking your attacks personally, I just consider your meta to be very anti town. I generally post a lot and respond to a bunch of people as well, but I don't tend to either throw down a vote right away or go aggressively after people targeting me. I think it allows the scum too much cover to play aggressively if townies are too aggressive.

[Cuathon]

So are people thinking that vote controlling is a very anti town role? I can certainly understand that. Assuming that someone else didn't target Ed besides Ishy then I consider it a good play to at least pressure him heavily for a response.

[bgrishinko]

That's the plan.

[Cuathon]

Vote: Ishy

 

Let's see what he has to say.

[Red2111]

Cuathon, i'm not goign to get into a discussion wbout my playstyle, you don't lie it, i get that and your entitled to your opinion. but i'm not going to change my playstyle because people don't like it or think it's scummy not t mention this type of discussion will distract from scum hunting.

 

 

if you'd like to debate the merits of my play style, please take it up with me in PM. i don't mean to sound snooty with you or anything, i'm just being frank with you.

[Red2111]

i agree about pressure on Ishy for this. i've already stated my opinion abotu the role and will reserve further opinions until Ishy responds.

 

 

in the mean time, what do you guys think about my points on Des concerning the VC and his reactio nto Ed. not to mention the contridiction i pointed out.

[SBoydW]

Why do I have this sickening feeling that Red, Kae, and BG are scamming us all... I really don't like that people who have already claimed roles won't reveal any information... I'm still catching up but as far as I've seen Red has only revealed N1 actions and and neither red nor BG have revealed N2 actions. Reasons: Red supposedly wanting to protect which of the two roles she and kae has, and bg for some odd reason won't reveal until red does... it's all to twisted to me...

 

I also find it interesting that the mafia didn't simply whack one of those three. I mean that's three reveals and the mafia hasn't even taken a shot at one of them? I don't like any of their reveals and frankly am starting tho think they're all full of it.

 

i dislike greatly you linking me and Kae with BG. so major FoS to you for this.

 

to the underline - which is why i'm being so agressive agaisnt anyone trying to spread doubt about me and Kae, because i understand how this looks to someone who isnt' me or Kae and because i also know the scum will be trying to caplitalize on this situation and i expected a push from scumsters to lynch me. hence my bulldogging of both BG and especailly Cuathon.

 

So you understand that you and your now "silent" partner look incredibly scummy... yet you FoS me for saying so?

 

As far as linking you, Kae, and BG... I was linking so far as to say that I'm highly doubtful of all your claims.

[Red2111]

So you understand that you and your now "silent" partner look incredibly scummy... yet you FoS me for saying so?

 

As far as linking you, Kae, and BG... I was linking so far as to say that I'm highly doubtful of all your claims.

 

 

never said scummy, just said that i understand how the situtation might look from the outside (ie: far fetched/not believable). this is different from scummy imo, but thats probably waxing semantics at this point.

 

and yes i FoS you for saying to. as i've stated numerous times, i'm looking for anyone tryign to capitalize on this on thread to spread doubt on mine and Kaes claim to get one of us lynched. your doing just that, and Kae agrees that its FoS worthy so i know i'm not imagining things with this.

 

 

to the underlined. thats not how it came off. it seemed like you were insinuating that we were all 3 pulling a gambit, which is the 2nd reason why you got an FoS from me for that post. because honestly, if BG is tru in his claim, the scum woudl love to set up a lynch on him as well (hence my dooging of Meesh yesturday over her persistance agaisnt BG)

[Cuathon]

It actually did sound like you were associating the 3 of them as a group.

[mmeeshal]

I agree with that. I got the same impression of you linking them all as in they're pulling a gambit.

 

Red, your points on Despo are very valid, I think. I would totally be okay with lynching him, or at least pressuring. I also think Ishy would be a good one to pressure/lynch based on the vote controlling thing. I just get the feeling that if the vote controller was lightsworn, they wouldn't pick someone for the vote who is possibly a powerful town role. Maybe someone who seems scummy, maybe some random person unlikely to get too much attention...but a high-profile, claimed-town-power role? Seems kinda weird for town to do.

 

unvote

vote Ishy

 

For now.

[Amadine]

Will do VC as soon as I can get to a computer, while DM is in performance mode you can email me at amadine@dragonmount.com

 

 

I can tell you all the current votes stand as is, if someone wants to assemble the VC for me...

[Turin Turambar]

I think that first line about them "scamming us all" does read as if Soy is trying to put them all together. not just in that they are doing similar things but are in fact working together. I don't know I buy that but it sound like what he was trying to say.

 

However it seems that cuathon redirected ishy from his original target to Ed and Ed's vote is apparently being controlled to go to Red. So I guess the question is why does Ishy want Red voted so badly?(nice technique Ed on making your predicament known) I want to check the times when Ed started posting his vote and when Cuathon announced what he changed.

 

What do you have to say Ishy?

[John E. Kelley]

Only thing I can figure is that Ed was targetted by 2 or more people. That's the only thing I can come up with because my role doesn't have a NA at all. If you guys all insist on pushing forward with this, I will of course reveal, but with only 2 or 3 votes on me....nah, not panicing yet. And anyways, why is everyone so quick to believe Cuathon? Can't use meta on the guy b/c I don't know him from Adam yet, but if his gameplay this go-round is any indicator, I certainly don't believe anything he says. And sure, I'd guess you would all expect me to say that in my situation, but plenty of you have said it as well. Only thing I can say is if Ed's vote is being controlled, it's not being controlled by me. Because if it were, Red wouldn't be the one I'd be targetting. What use would that be when she has no other pressure on her at all? If I were scum, wouldn't I try to hide Ed's vote on someone with a viable train to get an easy lynch on a townie? Whoever is controlling his vote is really doing a poor job with their NA.

[John E. Kelley]

And also, couldn't Red easily answer the question about whether there was a vote-controller on N1? If she and Kae get the lists of NA's every morning, was there or wasn't there a VC a N1? That may help determine whether or not Ed and Cuathon are telling the truth or whether it's all smoke and mirrors.

[Red2111]

skimming scummy skimmer Ishy. this is the 2nd time i've quoted this post from D2.

 

 

also, major FoS @ Turin for trying to dig out whose on the lists. it just feels like your trying to cover yourself for a role claim later, which is scummy imo. you seem to really want to know what roles are on that list and i really dislike that. i only listed roles off the list which i felt were anti-town in nature; i forgot to list Blocker as well. Right now, 5 of the NA's we have listed are anti-town in nature imo

 

- NK (which we know Hoof was the target via Corner Report)

- Blocker

- Re-Director

- Vote Controller

- Silencer

 

 

[bgrishinko]

Unvote: Vote Cuathon

 

Alright, I've hear from Ishy, I still don't believe Cuathon.

[Niniel]

I like Red´s thoughts about Des. I also noticed his post about the town role blocker and agree that it did look like something he could return to if he wants to claim the role later on. Vote Des.

[John E. Kelley]

So very sorry your Redness, I'm at work and can't slog through nearly 1200 posts to find yours. Since it appears that there was indeed a VC on N1 then it seems we have our work cut out for us (especially me to clear my name).

[Red2111]

i have 59 pages in this thread Ishy. i understand your at work, but i wuoted that exact quote for BG today (D3) on page 54 (post #1027), so i dont buy the "didn't want to shift 1200 posts" excuse because of how recently i quoted it.

[Nynaeve]

Hey, just posting quickly to say that I will only be able to catch up tomorrow night, so stand by on my thoughts and vote.

 

 

 

Nyn

[John E. Kelley]

Well something else for everyone to consider:

 

Cuathon is asked who he redirected to and takes awhile to answer. He then finally does. Hours later Ed casts his vote. There were quite a few posts in between the two. Now, my question is, after Cuathons claim, would I then have Ed throw his vote, knowing full well that if Ed did anything even remotely suspicious, that I would instantly be sus? Does anyone really believe that I would do something that rookie? Either this is something cooked up between Cuathon and Ed, or smart scum are taking an easy opportunity to get rid of me. Either way, bravo to whoever you are, it's actually not a bad idea. The only instance where it could be a terribly stupid move is one where I did it.

[Cuathon]

Well something else for everyone to consider:

 

Cuathon is asked who he redirected to and takes awhile to answer. He then finally does. Hours later Ed casts his vote. There were quite a few posts in between the two. Now, my question is, after Cuathons claim, would I then have Ed throw his vote, knowing full well that if Ed did anything even remotely suspicious, that I would instantly be sus? Does anyone really believe that I would do something that rookie? Either this is something cooked up between Cuathon and Ed, or smart scum are taking an easy opportunity to get rid of me. Either way, bravo to whoever you are, it's actually not a bad idea. The only instance where it could be a terribly stupid move is one where I did it.

 

Actually I took 3 minutes to answer. Unless you are counting from the person asking who I role switched in which case its an hour and 6 minutes iirc.

[dapianoplay3r]

Im not sure of the exact time but PMs went down so you might not have been able to PM Ama and change the order you sent through. Or it might be one of those things that you cant change once it got sent it in?

[SBoydW]

I get that everyone read my post as linking red kae and bg on a team. That's why I clarified when red commented about... Not sure there's anything else to say...

[Matty boii]

Sorry guys for the short notice, but I will be away/inactive starting tomorrow until early Feb, if you have to replace me then I guess you gotta do what you gotta do but I doubt I will be online at all... I will try my best to read through and post at minimal once every 3 weeks? sorry for any inconvenience this may cause :/