Blackhoofs Ghost Town Mafia (Advanced) TOWN WIN!!!

[bgrishinko]

I'll also unvote and vote Kivam.

 

I didn't notice the deadline and rather avoid the vileness of the deadline.

[bgrishinko]

Oh wait... huh?

 

Wed. 7th? You mean Friday?

[Blackhoof]

Wow vote doubler! Well done, whichever of you has that power.

 

I'll unvote and vote Kivam. I am not 100% sure you are scum. But I fear your play and we need some kinda lynch of some sort. *shrugs*

 

What vote doubler? There us no vote double, TOUR ALL CRAZY!!! 0.o

[Blackhoof]

Oh wait... huh?

 

Wed. 7th? You mean Friday?

 

STOP NOTICING MY MISTAKES PEOPLE!!! *runs away crying*

 

 

 

In an unrelated note, it would all players good to pay special attention to the scenes in-between lynches and death scenes. they are not as.... fluffy, as some might believe.

[Kivam]

Wow vote doubler! Well done, whichever of you has that power.

 

I'll unvote and vote Kivam. I am not 100% sure you are scum. But I fear your play and we need some kinda lynch of some sort. *shrugs*

 

Wait, what? I have two votes on me in that count. I've looked at it over and over again and see no vote doubler.

 

Btw, I'm equally good as town. Lynching me as a "just in case he's scum" policy vote is a bad idea (aside from everything else, it'll guarantee I stop playing mafia here again - thats just no fun)

[Blackhoof]

"Master," Drark Felltongue hesitantly inquired, "why must we endure this torture? My roommate is so ANNOYING! all she does is talk and talk and TALK! I almost wish someone would kill me if I have to suffer through-"

 

"That can be arranged!" Kar'lyr barked, and Drark recoiled in fear, knowing that his master meant it. "There is a reason for your.... suffering. We need to seize control of this city, and our... friends, shall help with that."

 

"Can you not just bend them to your will?"

 

"Fool, are you but a novice!? I am a necromancer; I bend the DEAD to my will, not the living, and that egomaniac Pherno works the same."

 

Drark deflated, and looked miserable."that means we have to do it the hard way, doesn't it? And I have to suffer through my roommate for a bit longer, don't I?" Kar'lyr smiled.

"Just think of the rewards, Drark! The power of dozens of spirits at my fingertips!"

 

"How will YOU having power make ME feel better?" Drark pouted in annoyance.

 

Kar'lyr frowned."well, it certainly makes ME feel better."

[bgrishinko]

@Kiv... previously the vote count said (4) for you, so that's why people assumed doubler.

 

Also, I was only inclined to vote you because I thought the deadline was within the hour.

 

Unvote

[Red2111]

Hoof says theres ino in his scenes. from this last scene, i think we can assume theres two necromancers out there. the focus is on this Kar'lyr guy and his associate Drarke so far, who seems to want to use the ghosts to gain some sort of power. according to the scene, Kar'lyr seems to have a nemisis (for lack of a better word) called Phemo that appears to have the same goal or atleast the same abilities. also, the previous scene seems to hint at Kar'lyr having particular interest in one ghost.

 

so i think what we can gather from this is that we're either dealing with a scum team and a group of Masons, or two scum teams. i dunno which one based on the info given so far.

 

 

 

And actually, why don't you people read that whole quote right there, not just the bolded part. He said "for a while," "they will show their use later depending on how this plays out," and "they're kind of distracting." I don't agree with some of that, but I fail to see how you guys are getting "Ignore the ghosts, they're stupid and pointless and totally unimportant!" out of that.

 

Whether it is the entire time or only part of the time, the argument is that ignoring almost half of the players is a bad call. Do you seriously think that just because we're ghosts and can't vote that we can't pick up on scummy things? That's what I think is ridiculous.

 

except that BG is basing his reasoning for ignoring the ghost because we don't know their alignment. if this is the case, then why are we paying attention to peolpe alive as well then

 

this is why it's scummy. that and like i said, he's flip flopped from saying we should ignore them, then when he's pressured he sings the exact opposite.

 

 

oh and since people made a big deal about it in the last game I was in

yes I changed keys quote

it was to make a point

 

i swear to the creator Nol, if you keep changing peoles quotes i'll make it my mission in every game to get you lynched from now on reguardless of my role or yours.

 

how can we trust ANY case you make when we can't trust that your not changing quotes on us to furhter your own point. not only is it agains tthe spirit of the game but it's also distateful, cheating and disrepectful imo. you obviously didn't learn a thing in the last game you did it, which it was done to me. i can't believe you can't see how distasteful it is and down right low handed to change a persons words and make it look like a direct quote.

[Red2111]

i'm also not feeling this Kivam train at all. if Min does have a PR, it might be best not to trust what she's saying for today. theres just too much WIFOM surrounding it imo.

 

 

infact, a big FOS to all of you who are trying to use it to capitalize and push on Kivams lynch.

[keyholder21]

First off, this is Day One. Noone has an unshakeable reason to vote for anyone. Except Min. Because either she has a power or a post restriction as some of you have suggested. Personally, I don't think Min is stupid enough to just point at anyone and say he is scum with a reasoning like "I know he is scum because he doesn't play like this in other games" AND BE SO ADAMANT ABOUT IT. I believe it more to be a power than anything else. So you voting for her isn't exactly perfect reasoning either.

 

Secondly, you're saying the EXACT same thing about Min as I did about Kivam. So you seem to be reasoning the same way. Except this: If Kivam goes and is scum, we KNOW Min is town. And if Kivam is town, we can get Min to explain herself further and lynch her next. That way, she deserves it anyway. However, according to you, choosing Min instead is just about ignoring her play (tho strange, but potentially effective) and getting nothing out of it.

 

Thirdly, ignoring the possibility of a vote doubler as "typo"... I don't know, isn't that a bit self righteous. I admit, it COULD be a typo. But I'm not going to ignore it just because you think everyone is making a mistake except you. Seeing how Min seems to have a power to see scum, I concur that Christine has the doubler power. *shrugs*

 

Bolded: she has implied that she has a post restriction. Could not the "unshakeable" reason be that? I don't think she's stupid either, but there are *other* ways than her having a power role. Furthermore, as it is DAY ONE, what kind of role would she have that allows her to know his alignment? (That's a real question, I'm not as well versed in mafia as some of you.)

 

Underlined: There is absolutely no way that is the case. We will not know that Min is town until we see the Mod give her alignment. She *could* be, but it could also be a gambit. *If* Kivam is even scum.

 

Italicized: Calm down love, I don't think SB was saying that at all. Merely stating that the vote count could have been a mistake, because it happens. Vote doubler was plausible, but so was a mod mistake (I've seen it in every game I've been in).

[keyholder21]

i'm also not feeling this Kivam train at all. if Min does have a PR, it might be best not to trust what she's saying for today. theres just too much WIFOM surrounding it imo.

 

 

infact, a big FOS to all of you who are trying to use it to capitalize and push on Kivams lynch.

 

This.

[Kivam]

First off, this is Day One. Noone has an unshakeable reason to vote for anyone. Except Min. Because either she has a power or a post restriction as some of you have suggested. Personally, I don't think Min is stupid enough to just point at anyone and say he is scum with a reasoning like "I know he is scum because he doesn't play like this in other games" AND BE SO ADAMANT ABOUT IT. I believe it more to be a power than anything else. So you voting for her isn't exactly perfect reasoning either.

 

Secondly, you're saying the EXACT same thing about Min as I did about Kivam. So you seem to be reasoning the same way. Except this: If Kivam goes and is scum, we KNOW Min is town. And if Kivam is town, we can get Min to explain herself further and lynch her next. That way, she deserves it anyway. However, according to you, choosing Min instead is just about ignoring her play (tho strange, but potentially effective) and getting nothing out of it.

 

Thirdly, ignoring the possibility of a vote doubler as "typo"... I don't know, isn't that a bit self righteous. I admit, it COULD be a typo. But I'm not going to ignore it just because you think everyone is making a mistake except you. Seeing how Min seems to have a power to see scum, I concur that Christine has the doubler power. *shrugs*

 

Bolded: she has implied that she has a post restriction. Could not the "unshakeable" reason be that? I don't think she's stupid either, but there are *other* ways than her having a power role. Furthermore, as it is DAY ONE, what kind of role would she have that allows her to know his alignment? (That's a real question, I'm not as well versed in mafia as some of you.)

 

Underlined: There is absolutely no way that is the case. We will not know that Min is town until we see the Mod give her alignment. She *could* be, but it could also be a gambit. *If* Kivam is even scum.

 

Italicized: Calm down love, I don't think SB was saying that at all. Merely stating that the vote count could have been a mistake, because it happens. Vote doubler was plausible, but so was a mod mistake (I've seen it in every game I've been in).

 

 

It would also be the stupidest gambit in the history of gambits - so blatantly obvious as to be useless. Yes, that ends up being a WIFOM, but if anyone thinks I'd sign off on a teammate doing that . . . well, you've never been scum with me.

 

I'm not sure what Min's alignment is, but scum or town, I'm town.

[keyholder21]

It would also be the stupidest gambit in the history of gambits - so blatantly obvious as to be useless. Yes, that ends up being a WIFOM, but if anyone thinks I'd sign off on a teammate doing that . . . well, you've never been scum with me.

 

Doesn't a gambit basically boil down to be a WIFOM anyway?

 

Also, LOL at the last statement.

[Wayward_fool]

I LOL at the last statement too.

 

I'm reading the last story to mean that there are currently 3 mafias. The necro, his assistant and his roomate. And whenever a ghost is raised, it'll be for the evilness of the mafia. *wrinkles nose* So we probably should just lynch anyone who is resurrected? *lol* This needs more rereading.

[bgrishinko]

Vote Wayward Boopsy because:

 

 

Wow vote doubler! Well done, whichever of you has that power.

 

I'll unvote and vote Kivam. I am not 100% sure you are scum. But I fear your play and we need some kinda lynch of some sort. *shrugs*

 

Well done? Odd comment. Deadline vote I understand.

 

To be honest, I'm metagaming a bit.

 

He's just a very distracting player and tends to be a nightmare as scum. In this game it's fairly simple to me. I'm not sure how much the coroner can tell us, but to me it's about removing the most complicated players first. *shrugs* According to the game play, noone's alignements are fixed and everyone has a chance to live again. So I'd rather take a chance and believe Min than let Kivam drive us all around like he did in Carebears.

 

*shrugs* Like I said, I'm voting not because he's closest to a lynch, but because his playing makes me want to eat my brain. I think I'd like his voice turned blue for a bit, and whoever it is with the resurrecting power can bring him back if the coroner says he is town.

 

Basically Min's logic but trying to sound resonable rather than forced: "vote Kivam because... well he's Kivam." Without metagaming too much, only people that allow themselves to be driven around are driven around, as such is with Kivam.

 

 

I would appreciate, Mr Soy, if you do not call people's reasonings "crap" just because you don't get it. That's just plain rude. This is a game, chill out.

 

First off, this is Day One. Noone has an unshakeable reason to vote for anyone. Except Min. Because either she has a power or a post restriction as some of you have suggested. Personally, I don't think Min is stupid enough to just point at anyone and say he is scum with a reasoning like "I know he is scum because he doesn't play like this in other games" AND BE SO ADAMANT ABOUT IT. I believe it more to be a power than anything else. So you voting for her isn't exactly perfect reasoning either.

 

Secondly, you're saying the EXACT same thing about Min as I did about Kivam. So you seem to be reasoning the same way. Except this: If Kivam goes and is scum, we KNOW Min is town. And if Kivam is town, we can get Min to explain herself further and lynch her next. That way, she deserves it anyway. However, according to you, choosing Min instead is just about ignoring her play (tho strange, but potentially effective) and getting nothing out of it.

 

Thirdly, ignoring the possibility of a vote doubler as "typo"... I don't know, isn't that a bit self righteous. I admit, it COULD be a typo. But I'm not going to ignore it just because you think everyone is making a mistake except you. Seeing how Min seems to have a power to see scum, I concur that Christine has the doubler power. *shrugs*

 

Overract much? This is mafia, people's reasonings are often "Crap," including my own. It's not rude, its the game. You chill out.

And how do you KNOW Min would be auto-towned if Kivs is scum? That reasoning is... well... since you don't like the word "crap" as too mean, I'll say "poo poo."

Completely randomly establishes Christine as a double voter with no proof. Completely randomly establishes Min to have the power to see scum with no proof.

[Kivam]

It would also be the stupidest gambit in the history of gambits - so blatantly obvious as to be useless. Yes, that ends up being a WIFOM, but if anyone thinks I'd sign off on a teammate doing that . . . well, you've never been scum with me.

 

Doesn't a gambit basically boil down to be a WIFOM anyway?

 

Also, LOL at the last statement.

 

Yes - but it's got to be more subtle than that. It's got to be made as a play that an innocent would make - with all the uncertainty and hedging and pointing to evidence that an innocent would have to rely on. "I KNOW he's scum" doesn't work as a gambit, because it doesn't come off, at all, as a townie play. It's why when I had you bulldog me in Kat's game I was pointing out arguments for you to make and points to raise, rather than just saying "vote me, it'll fool everyone"

[Kivam]

Agree with BG in all respects. Still suspicious of Nolder, but for now:

Unvote. Vote Boopsy

[Nolder]

This is the one game where such a ploy may not be as big a risk since they can be brought back. It stands to reason that the mafia have someone who can resurrect people, since ghosts can be made mafia.

I do not agree that this is the first conclusion we should come to

do you really think the first thing that mafia are going to try is a risky attention grabbing gambit on day 1?

 

However, I do admit my "they're both mafia" theory is just a theory (though I like it ) and is based on purely on conjecture. I think the "Min has a role that makes her target one person" theory is much more likely, and feel it's an unnecessary distraction.

soooo why not just ignore it like I suggested?

 

The only problem with waiting on either of them is that, who do we lynch?

someone else

do you find no one else even slightly suspicious?

like you said earlier (or perhaps it was wayward, I get you two mixed up sometimes) no one is going to have unshakable reasoning

you don't have to provide piles and piles of evidence that someone is scum but if you have a suspicion and can explain why that should be enough

 

They seem to be the two viable candidates right now.

If another viable candidate for lynch can be found I'll move my vote. But not until then.

I think you should reconsider

something weird is going on here and we need more time to think about it

[Nolder]

Wow vote doubler! Well done, whichever of you has that power.

 

I'll unvote and vote Kivam. I am not 100% sure you are scum. But I fear your play and we need some kinda lynch of some sort. *shrugs*

 

Wait, what? I have two votes on me in that count. I've looked at it over and over again and see no vote doubler.

 

Btw, I'm equally good as town. Lynching me as a "just in case he's scum" policy vote is a bad idea (aside from everything else, it'll guarantee I stop playing mafia here again - thats just no fun)

it was a mistake on Hoof's part

last night it counted you as have 4 votes on you with 2 people voting

[Nolder]

except that BG is basing his reasoning for ignoring the ghost because we don't know their alignment. if this is the case, then why are we paying attention to peolpe alive as well then

because they have votes and count towards win conditions

 

oh and since people made a big deal about it in the last game I was in

yes I changed keys quote

it was to make a point

 

i swear to the creator Nol, if you keep changing peoles quotes i'll make it my mission in every game to get you lynched from now on reguardless of my role or yours.

I thought we did that to each other anyway?

 

how can we trust ANY case you make when we can't trust that your not changing quotes on us to furhter your own point. not only is it agains tthe spirit of the game but it's also distateful, cheating and disrepectful imo. you obviously didn't learn a thing in the last game you did it, which it was done to me. i can't believe you can't see how distasteful it is and down right low handed to change a persons words and make it look like a direct quote.

when I change a quote it's generally pretty obvious, such as bolded sections

and even if it's not I always say something to the effect of "I changed something here"

I never do it to deceive so I don't see what the issue is here

the first time you see me do it in a deceitful manner feel free to call me on it but until then all it is is just another way of making a point so lay off please

[SBoydW]

This is the one game where such a ploy may not be as big a risk since they can be brought back. It stands to reason that the mafia have someone who can resurrect people, since ghosts can be made mafia.

I do not agree that this is the first conclusion we should come to

do you really think the first thing that mafia are going to try is a risky attention grabbing gambit on day 1?

 

However, I do admit my "they're both mafia" theory is just a theory (though I like it ) and is based on purely on conjecture. I think the "Min has a role that makes her target one person" theory is much more likely, and feel it's an unnecessary distraction.

soooo why not just ignore it like I suggested?

 

The only problem with waiting on either of them is that, who do we lynch?

 

someone else

do you find no one else even slightly suspicious?

like you said earlier (or perhaps it was wayward, I get you two mixed up sometimes) no one is going to have unshakable reasoning

you don't have to provide piles and piles of evidence that someone is scum but if you have a suspicion and can explain why that should be enough

 

They seem to be the two viable candidates right now.

If another viable candidate for lynch can be found I'll move my vote. But not until then.

I think you should reconsider

something weird is going on here and we need more time to think about it

 

I do think there are other suspicious people, but I think Min is the most suspicious at the moment. Which is why my vote is staying on her until something better turns up, or I have to make a deadline vote.

[Netbattler11]

Too much wifom. BG still has my emnity for trying to ignore the ghosts. He has tried to repair that breach, but he's the only other real target i see apart from min/kivam.

[Nolder]

that's because you're not even trying

 

I'm going to Vote: Graendal

 

he has a very low post count (5 to be exact)

 

Yo

checking in, nothing wrong with that

 

Don't know what to make of this thusfar. So it is enough to get the mafia etc as ghosts, but anyone can apparently come back with changed allignements.

acting confused/not helping

stating the obvious/repeating facts

 

Oh well, I declare I don't believe in ghosts, I'm gonna do a traditional omgus: vote killuliu :)

admittedly an OMGUS vote, not exactly a point in his favor

 

I think we must all have faith in God.

The God of Love. I worship him every night.

some spammy filler talk

this was on page 5

he hasn't posted since

if you ask me he's trying to lurk his way through day 1

 

this is a better target than BG, Kivam, and Min

[Blackhoof]

Vote Count

 

Wayward Fool (2) - BG, Kivam

 

Graendals favourite (2) - Kill, Nolder

 

Kill (1) - Graendals favourite

 

Kivam (3) - Christine, Min, Wayward Fool

 

Min (2) - Mr Soy, Sakaea

 

BG (2) - Red, Leyrann

 

With 14 alive (as in, not ghosts) it takes 8 to lynch

Fake Vote Count

 

BG (2) - Maw, Leelou

Player List

 

1.Ishy

2.Kivam

3.leelou

4.nolder

5.keyholder

6.killuliu

7.tina

8.ama

9.meesh

10.Reyn

11.mawthtex

12.Min

13.Sakaea

14.Wombat

15.Mr. Soy

16.Christine

17.Red

18.BG

19.amega

20.Graendals favourite

21.Wayward fool

22.Leyrann

 

Deadline is:

Friday, 7 October 2011 at 6AM, GMT

[Minuet]

"Fool, are you but a novice!? I am a necromancer; I bend the DEAD to my will, not the living, and that egomaniac Pherno works the same."

 

So, either 2 mafias or a mafia and a cult maybe? I don't think there would be 3 mafia teams in a game this small Boopsy. I could be wrong, but who knows.