Blackhoofs Ghost Town Mafia (Advanced) TOWN WIN!!!

[Blackhoof]

@hoof: did you edit that part into the rules just now about there being a coroner sometimes or did I just miss it when I read the rules?

 

I think he means that there is a character who has ability to give a coroner report each night. And I think it read there in the beginning? Or then it was discussed already earlier this game?

 

Yes. Sorry for confusion caused.

 

Rest assured that there WILL be ways to get alignment and role info.

[Blackhoof]

Vote count fixed now

[Red2111]

caught up to page 6. will be back later to catch up totally, but right now i'm swamped at work.

 

 

My thoughts are the ghosts are some kind of team. Either a mason team or who knows. Maybe a couple mason teams. It would be to obvious to make them a mafia or cult team. Then again it not being a coroners game who knows. Maybe their are equal mafia among them. Just some thoughts to throw out there.

 

i dunno if i can see this. Hoof stated that ghosts can't to NA's any more than they can actually vote. Hoof also stated that their alignments could change if resurrected; so having the ghosts on a mason team doesn't make sense either seeing as their alignements changing could really have a negative effect on the mason team their on.

 

 

my main question is, how are the ghosts resurected and how do we banish them?

 

 

I think we must all have faith in God.

 

... soooo exorcisms?

 

*gets her lynching water* the power of Mafia compell you!!!

 

 

BG is scummy for wanting to ignore ghosts. True you don't know our alignment, but you don't know any of the living players' alignments either. Suggesting ignoring us just because we are ghosts is scummy because it makes me think that BG wants to not be called on potential scummy behavior.

 

this, and i found BG wanting to ignore the ghosts vote worthy as its really the scummiest thing i've seen in game yet

 

VOTE: BG

 

I'll say it again:

Focusing on a ghosts actions is fruitless, you are already dead.

Your opinions are welcome as anyone elses, since most are town oriented anyway, but once you come alive I'm treating you as a new player and forgetting your previous opinions. Others don't need to follow me on that last part, but I think it is smart. It isn't a hard and fast rule, cause who knows where this game will take us, but that's my stance on it now.

 

see, your posts coems off as you saying "we shoudl out right ignore the ghosts" and i totaly disagree with the underlined statement. previous opinions can be used to narrow down which ghosts might have had their alignment changed.

 

 

honestly, you semi controdict yoruself on this ignoring the ghosts thing. on one hand you claim it's pointless to listen to them and allude to it being more productive to ignore them; then when pressured you sing a differen tune saying we should consider what they say.

 

either their useful or their not, you can't have it both ways.

[Leyrann]

I first wanted to just say I didn't like BG wanting to (partly) ignore the ghosts, but now I read that underlined part Red made, which I forget, I think I will VOTE BG.

[Leyrann]

Oops! Forget to make it red. I'll do now.

 

VOTE BG

[Kivam]

I'm going to Vote: Kivam for his rushed vote/response and lack of reasoning

will remove pending an explanation

Kiv explained his rush to get involved. He missed time due to the holiday and had a lot of work the last few days. Hence his rush to jump in and at least get involved. I FoS'd you due to skimming over his explanation. Didn't say your oversight was scummy, merely FoS-worthy.

why do you assume I skimmed his posts?

I read both of them several times

his reason for being rushed seems somewhat irrelevant to the game

 

it's understandable that he'd want to get involved ASAP lest someone say he's lurking

however it seems reckless to just throw a vote out without a reason which is my main concern here

and if he does have a reason and he just didn't have the time to tell us why didn't he at least say so? that's better than nothing isn't it?

 

even if he's in a rush Kivam doesn't strike me as the type of person who doesn't think about the consequences of his actions

which leaves me to conclude that there are three possibilities for why he did this

 

1. he does indeed have a case he can make on BG and was in fact in a rush, I'd chalk this up to poor play myself

IMO if this is the case he'd have been better served to just wait until he had time to post properly

 

2. he's scum and making a risky gambit to either slip a vote in unnoticed (so he can claim later that he was active on d1 when he really wasn't) or he wants BG specifically dead for one reason or another and was hoping a train would build up

 

3. he has some kind of "on death" ability and is trying to get himself lynched

maybe if he's killed he can interact with ghosts in some way

maybe kill them or bring them back to life?

could just be a jester/fool but I don't think blackhoof would use that role

on the other hand he could be scum trying to WIFOM this possibility

 

whatever the case may be I'm not entirely convinced of Kivam's guilt and I don't intend to lynch him at this point

what I want is some further explanation and I'm using my vote to make that clear

 

 

Or 4. He's doing what he always does on Day 1: voting and probing for reactions.

 

And boy, did we ever find one.

 

I find Min's vote curious, but the spirited (get it?) reaction to a single vote on BG on Day 1 from both you and Mmeesh is . . . interesting. Calling for a case for a Day 1 vote? Really?

 

That just screams "scum looking to create an excuse for a lynch". Unvote. Vote: Nolder

 

I wonder if Mmeesh will join me on that. I'm betting not.

[Kivam]

I'm actually going to take a different road.. I think that Min is too experienced a player to be scum and give a non-joking vote without providing reason. Clearly as scum you have to be on your guard even more when you try to persuade a vote.

 

Seriously, if I was scum, would I be so bold? Did none of you who played in the Care Bear game learn anything about me? Trust me on this, Kivam is scum. I am sure of it. However, if you all want to go down another road, then fine. However, when the mafia kills me off can you all at least think about the fact that Kivam is scum.

 

OK, this is getting ridiculous. My bet is she's a lyncher and I'm her target, so I'm just going to put this aside as extremely poor play for now.

[bgrishinko]

I'll say it again:

Focusing on a ghosts actions is fruitless, you are already dead.

Your opinions are welcome as anyone elses, since most are town oriented anyway, but once you come alive I'm treating you as a new player and forgetting your previous opinions. Others don't need to follow me on that last part, but I think it is smart. It isn't a hard and fast rule, cause who knows where this game will take us, but that's my stance on it now.

 

see, your posts coems off as you saying "we shoudl out right ignore the ghosts" and i totaly disagree with the underlined statement. previous opinions can be used to narrow down which ghosts might have had their alignment changed.

 

 

honestly, you semi controdict yoruself on this ignoring the ghosts thing. on one hand you claim it's pointless to listen to them and allude to it being more productive to ignore them; then when pressured you sing a differen tune saying we should consider what they say.

 

either their useful or their not, you can't have it both ways.

 

Fine, you disagree with me. I have no problem with people disagreeing with my opinions on what is an effective method of play here. In fact I think it is better that we don't see eye to eye. Gives a better overall view of the game. Even if you disagree though, I don't see how my opinion can be conceived as a mafia play. If someone starts as a town ghost and becomes mafia, you can catch them in a lie and lynch 'em! But wait, if someone starts as a mafia ghost and becomes town? Either way. We just have different opinions.

 

Also, I don't believe I'm contradicting myself. I said I see them as supplementary voices for now and their use will become apparent in later days. Check my posts for yourself. You are nitpicking parts of what I said and ignoring what I say right afterwards. My point is we just don't know, and I'm going to focus on the live side of things.

[Nolder]

I'm going to Vote: Kivam for his rushed vote/response and lack of reasoning

will remove pending an explanation

Kiv explained his rush to get involved. He missed time due to the holiday and had a lot of work the last few days. Hence his rush to jump in and at least get involved. I FoS'd you due to skimming over his explanation. Didn't say your oversight was scummy, merely FoS-worthy.

why do you assume I skimmed his posts?

I read both of them several times

his reason for being rushed seems somewhat irrelevant to the game

 

it's understandable that he'd want to get involved ASAP lest someone say he's lurking

however it seems reckless to just throw a vote out without a reason which is my main concern here

and if he does have a reason and he just didn't have the time to tell us why didn't he at least say so? that's better than nothing isn't it?

 

even if he's in a rush Kivam doesn't strike me as the type of person who doesn't think about the consequences of his actions

which leaves me to conclude that there are three possibilities for why he did this

 

1. he does indeed have a case he can make on BG and was in fact in a rush, I'd chalk this up to poor play myself

IMO if this is the case he'd have been better served to just wait until he had time to post properly

 

2. he's scum and making a risky gambit to either slip a vote in unnoticed (so he can claim later that he was active on d1 when he really wasn't) or he wants BG specifically dead for one reason or another and was hoping a train would build up

 

3. he has some kind of "on death" ability and is trying to get himself lynched

maybe if he's killed he can interact with ghosts in some way

maybe kill them or bring them back to life?

could just be a jester/fool but I don't think blackhoof would use that role

on the other hand he could be scum trying to WIFOM this possibility

 

whatever the case may be I'm not entirely convinced of Kivam's guilt and I don't intend to lynch him at this point

what I want is some further explanation and I'm using my vote to make that clear

 

 

Or 4. He's doing what he always does on Day 1: voting and probing for reactions.

 

And boy, did we ever find one.

 

I find Min's vote curious, but the spirited (get it?) reaction to a single vote on BG on Day 1 from both you and Mmeesh is . . . interesting. Calling for a case for a Day 1 vote? Really?

 

That just screams "scum looking to create an excuse for a lynch". Unvote. Vote: Nolder

 

I wonder if Mmeesh will join me on that. I'm betting not.

so it was just a random vote?

fair enough

 

Unvote: Kivam

[Minuet]

Chalk it up to poor play if you want. Think what you want, I gave you the name of someone I feel very strongly is scum. Do with the information what you want or ignore it. It is all up to you that can vote.

[mmeeshal]

I wonder if Mmeesh will join me on that. I'm betting not.

You're funny, Kivs. You know why.

 

First off, I totally forgot until Hoof's vote count that Christine had voted for Kivam, although I remember NOW that I had jokingly cried "gambit!" on it because of who the vote was for.... So I didn't realize I was the 4th vote, thought I was the 3rd. I don't think I would have put the "halfway there" vote on Kivs if I would have realized that's what I was doing. My intent was not to try and get Kivam lynched, but to vote for the person I felt deserved it most at the time. This isn't like Darkfriend hunts at Dragon*Con, where my other arm is upraised and locking in my vote. Discussion is good for this game, we hadn't had THAT much from live, voteable players yet.

 

@your "doing what he always does on Day 1" comment, I don't know how many of us in this game have played with you more than once or twice tops, so "like we would have known." The thought did cross my mind, because, unlike Nolder, I'm not going to pretend to think you're claiming a random vote on BG, who'd gotten a lot of crap for what he said, but "Oh no, Kivam is looking for reactions!" doesn't cross my mind.

 

I will unvote, but no, at the moment I don't see what's worth voting Nolder about. I was feeling pretty much like we were seeing eye to eye on our reasoning for voting you. "Best we have to go on right about now."

 

**A SIDE NOTE**

I think I'm sick, not sure with what.... I just spent half of today sleeping, and I could go right back to sleep, and I haven't eaten in about 8 hours but I feel no inclination to do so because I'd probably vomit it back up....plus my nose is runny, I'm coughing up phlegm, and my sinuses are killing me.... My McDonald's is finishing up remodeling and this week is our "Grand Re-Opening" so call-ins are NOT allowed, otherwise temporary suspension will ensue. I'm debating whether or not I want to just stop working for a while, the way I feel and how stressful it is to work there right now, but I probably won't, so I'm going to be that much more ill tomorrow and for I don't know how long.

 

Point is, I'm trying, but I feel miserable enough to want to just curl up in a ball and die, so for the next few days I'll probably be pretty scarce. Getting better, surprisingly, ranks higher on my list of priorities than mafia games. XD

[Sakaea]

Feel better soon, Meesh!

[Nolder]

besides Min and Kivam I don't really see a viable lynch candidate as of yet

BG made a comment and I think people are blowing it out of proportion

he wasn't saying "ignore the ghosts" so much as he was trying to say "pay attention to the living" IMO

[keyholder21]

besides Min and Kivam I don't really see a viable lynch candidate as of yet

BG made a comment and I think people are blowing it out of proportion

he wasn't saying "ignore the ghosts" so much as he was trying to say "pay attention to the living" IMO

 

I think to get this moving along we need to ignore the ghosts for a while as supplementary voices. They aren't as important to our overall goal... and focusing on them is kinda distracting. I think they will show their use to us later naturally depending on how this theme plays out.

[mmeeshal]

I think to get this moving along we need to ignore the ghosts for a while as supplementary voices. They aren't as important to our overall goal... and focusing on them is kinda distracting. I think they will show their use to us later naturally depending on how this theme plays out.

Just because you all insist on ignoring that bit.

 

Srsly.

[keyholder21]

After the quotes above, it should have said : If I could vote, I'd vote for Nolder right now.

[keyholder21]

You can bold it all you want, it doesn't change anything about ignoring. I get what he's meaning, but my statement was more toward NOLDER than BG.

[mmeeshal]

And actually, why don't you people read that whole quote right there, not just the bolded part. He said "for a while," "they will show their use later depending on how this plays out," and "they're kind of distracting." I don't agree with some of that, but I fail to see how you guys are getting "Ignore the ghosts, they're stupid and pointless and totally unimportant!" out of that.

[mmeeshal]

Sorry, ninja'd.

 

Also, thanks, Sakaea. :) All well-wishes and positive thoughts and prayers are welcome, I'm sure they'll help.

[keyholder21]

And actually, why don't you people read that whole quote right there, not just the bolded part. He said "for a while," "they will show their use later depending on how this plays out," and "they're kind of distracting." I don't agree with some of that, but I fail to see how you guys are getting "Ignore the ghosts, they're stupid and pointless and totally unimportant!" out of that.

 

Whether it is the entire time or only part of the time, the argument is that ignoring almost half of the players is a bad call. Do you seriously think that just because we're ghosts and can't vote that we can't pick up on scummy things? That's what I think is ridiculous.

[mmeeshal]

Meh, whatever, no point arguing it with you folks.... Obviously you guys are reading it entirely different from myself. I didn't get the vibe that he was actually saying to totally ignore you guys as being just distractions to us right now, although his original post could definitely come off that way. I get what he's saying. I do pay attention to what the ghosts have to say, but I also pay a little more attention to the living at the moment because I can't vote for the dead, and town vs mafia ghosts, if they're so aligned, don't count toward win conditions while they're actual ghosts.

 

That's as far as I'm arguing it. We're obviously not going to be able to convince each other to change how we interpreted BG's post.

[Nolder]

You can bold it all you want, it doesn't change anything about ignoring context. I get what he's meaning, but my statement was more toward NOLDER than BG.

besides Min and Kivam I don't really see a viable lynch candidate as of yet

BG made a comment and I think people are blowing it out of proportion

he wasn't saying "ignore the ghosts" so much as he was trying to say "pay attention to the living" IMO

 

I think to get this moving along we need to ignore the ghosts for a while as supplementary voices. They aren't as important to our overall goal... and focusing on them is kinda distracting. I think they will show their use to us later naturally depending on how this theme plays out.

word games are fun

[Nolder]

oh and since people made a big deal about it in the last game I was in

yes I changed keys quote

it was to make a point

[SBoydW]

Chalk it up to poor play if you want. Think what you want, I gave you the name of someone I feel very strongly is scum. Do with the information what you want or ignore it. It is all up to you that can vote.

 

 

I'm really starting to think that Min may have a role that is forcing her to make the comments she's making... For her to so persistently harp on Kivam the way she has been, since before he even posted anything, just feels wrong, but I don't know if it's "scum" wrong. Then again, there is still the possibility this is some sort of strategy between the two...

[Nolder]

you're suggesting she has a post restriction?