Blackhoofs Ghost Town Mafia (Advanced) TOWN WIN!!!

[Nolder]

Oh, and in case anyone was wondering, that other game is Lily's Mythical Creatures game, which is over, and in which Nolder was town (as was Red, and myself).

 

I think we should just leave this issue out of the game, because honestly I'm not seeing a reason for it to be brought up. You claimed Nolder was being all deceitful and sneaky in that game because of the quote-changing thing, and it ended up being a big misunderstanding and a totally "innocent" behavior. Not to say that the fact he's doing it now clears him of being scum, but IMHO it's a null tell, and just creates a distraction for everyone else.

 

Not to mention it could be Red trying to lead the town using whatever means she has, so I figure, just chill out and focus on stuff that's actually relevant, kks?

 

You know, this is the second time I'm seeing you and Nolder connected.

 

And Wombat, you need to read more carefully. Mmeesh is defending Nolder, not voting him

May I ask in what way we're connected specifically? Just saying we're connected is a bit vague.

 

I noted the connection in your responses to my vote on BG - and here she just defended you. Once is a coincidence. Twice is usually something more than that.

Well all I can say about our responses to the BG vote is people tend to agree in mafia, from time to time. And I never asked her to defend me. If we're going to talk about connections it's possible to draw one from Min to you. But connections are a dangerous thing and not worth making with only a little information to go on.

[WWWwombat]

Add Nolder to my suspect list.

[Leyrann]

Vote sakaea. (yes, I know its night)

 

Why?

[mmeeshal]

Oh, and in case anyone was wondering, that other game is Lily's Mythical Creatures game, which is over, and in which Nolder was town (as was Red, and myself).

 

I think we should just leave this issue out of the game, because honestly I'm not seeing a reason for it to be brought up. You claimed Nolder was being all deceitful and sneaky in that game because of the quote-changing thing, and it ended up being a big misunderstanding and a totally "innocent" behavior. Not to say that the fact he's doing it now clears him of being scum, but IMHO it's a null tell, and just creates a distraction for everyone else.

 

Not to mention it could be Red trying to lead the town using whatever means she has, so I figure, just chill out and focus on stuff that's actually relevant, kks?

 

You know, this is the second time I'm seeing you and Nolder connected.

 

And Wombat, you need to read more carefully. Mmeesh is defending Nolder, not voting him

May I ask in what way we're connected specifically? Just saying we're connected is a bit vague.

 

I noted the connection in your responses to my vote on BG - and here she just defended you. Once is a coincidence. Twice is usually something more than that.

 

It's definitely possible for people to be on the same page sometimes. Maybe Nolder and I are just similar in the way we think in general; it's a possibility, however strange it may seem for there to be ANYONE who thinks the same way I do about anything. XD

 

Regardless, I have 2 points:

 

1) Do you really think I'd be that obvious defending someone if I had any off-thread reason to? I may not be as much of a mafia genius as some folks, but I've played more than enough games that I would consider myself something of a veteran here. (I don't often get to make mini-WIFOMs, but that is, unfortunately ) But yeah. Twould be somewhat careless of me to be this open about defending someone in a way that could backfire on me later.

 

2) Just as it apparently bugs the bejeebus out of Red about the whole quote-changing thing, it bugs the bejeebus out of me about her reaction. I think it's blown way out of proportion, and as I've seen first-hand, it really is a null tell. I say, leave the quote-thing out of it. I'd say that if it was anyone else Red was going for the jugular with, unless it was totally hidden and the person tried to hide the fact they'd done it. Other than that....stop making a big deal out of nothing (to both of you, I guess, though I mean Red, mostly). I've defended the action before, I'll defend it again, as many times as it's an issue. Period, full stop, the end.

[Minuet]

I can't really tell you all what happened. Not a gambit is all I can say. I don't think I would be any good at one anyway.

[Sakaea]

Vote sakaea. (yes, I know its night)

 

Why?

 

Yes, please explain. :confused:

[John E. Kelley]

Nolder and Meesh are allied. And they apparantly know they are allied. Whether as masons or scum or whatever they have the same agenda. Do I know this for fact? No I don't, this is entirely opinion based on the posts I have read from the two of them, but it seems I'm not the only one that thinks so. But I can't seemingly do anything about it other than state my opinion, so there it is.

 

Now that the seriousness has been removed from my system: "Welcome, lovely Min, to the World of the Dead....we haz cookies..."

[Nolder]

apparently two people can't agree in a mafia game unless they're masons or mafia

 

good to know

[John E. Kelley]

But let's be honest, the occurances of ANYONE in a mafia game actually agreeing on anything when they aren't allied is far less than us disagreeing just due to the nature of the game. The whole point of the game is to poke holes in arguements made by others that you aren't 100% sure you're on a team with to see what surfaces. And sure, someone may make a case you find yourself in agreement with, but that occuring is far more likely to happen later on as the numbers are depleted. On D1? Very, very rarely. For you two to be in such sympatico on N1 is really rare. At least in my limited experience it is. Feel free to convince me, there's not much I can do to act on my suspicion anyways, so take my opinion with a grain of salt.

 

"And it really doesn't matter at this point, you will ALL feel the cold of the grave, the cruel touch of my master, Lord Death's, hand eventually.....the only certainty in life is your eventual Death.....join us....."

[Nolder]

your entire argument is flawed due to the fact that people do in fact agree, often, and as early as day 1

 

how else do you expect a lynch to occur?

we just lynched min because we all agreed she was acting strange

is everyone on that lynch part of a mason/mafia team? I don't think so

[John E. Kelley]

" Father Jordor announced sagely to the assembled warriors of good. "I have asked the town to be evacuated of all but the ghosts"

Blue=ghost

 

Just noticed this. Thought it may be relevant. Feel free to disagree.

 

"You'll still join us. Count on it. Is it a threat or a promise? Depends on your view of the afterlife. Hope you're an optimist and not a pessimist. Mwahahaha...."

[Reyn]

I think this is a bit more proof in Min's favor for her PR. Maybe coincidence, maybe NOT?

 

 

 

 

 

Kar'lyr raised an eyebrow as the ghost known as Ghastly Ghoris moaned eerily and rattled ectoplasmic chains in his face."really Ghoris? Really?"

 

Ghoris' face fell, realising that his usual routine was not working.

 

With a final moan, Ghoris floated away, leaving Kar'lyr to ponder his findings. he had sought out each and every ghost in town, and used his necromantic abilities to try and gauge how useful the ghosts would be to him once he enslaved them.

 

So far, only one or them held any real value as a slave- he was Tue only truly malicious spirit amongst the lot. The rest were far too... stereotypical, he thought ou disgust. all they wanted to do was haunt people! HAUNT them!

 

"Oh well." The Boneseer sighed, "they will learn soon enough. and if they don't.... I will make them."

 

With that, the evil necromancer resumed his disguise and returned to the tourist hotel.

 

make of that what you will.

 

VERY NEXT post by Min...

Well, I was going to wait till he showed up, but..... I so have to vote for him. I swear he is mafia in every game I play with him in. So, it stands to reason he is probably mafia this time around.

 

Vote Kivam

 

This is not a joke vote. I try not to do those anymore.

 

BG it does appear you pissed the ghosts off. I would not ignore them to be honest. All players obviously could be mafia. To say we ignore certain players is just plain stupid if you ask me. Then again that is my opinion and you are entitled to yours.

 

 

Right now I just want to FoS everyone who voted on Min - I really think it was a crap case against her. Particularly I keep getting a scummy vibe on Nolder, but I have to dig up something to back it up. So there ya go.

[Reyn]

Ishmael I think your last post only makes my proof in Min's favor even stronger.

 

I don't feel like we should waste the coroner's report on her, because I don't think this lynch was strong and I really don't think Min is scum. But clearly there is some form of a majority thinking she is scum, so my opinion doesn't count for very much there ;)

[John E. Kelley]

your entire argument is flawed due to the fact that people do in fact agree, often, and as early as day 1

 

how else do you expect a lynch to occur?

we just lynched min because we all agreed she was acting strange

is everyone on that lynch part of a mason/mafia team? I don't think so

 

How do I expect a lynch to occur on D1? Be honest, in 90% of the games we all play in, it's always a rush to lynch someone that has the most joke votes to avoid a random lynch. Again, I'm speaking of D1 specifically, agreements can occur after that, sure, but for two players to be in almost perfect agreement on Day or Night 1 is so very rare that when it happens, it's so unusual that it seriously stands out. Again, there's nothing at all I or my otherworldly bretheren can do about it, other than to point it out, but for you to say that it's a common occurunce (sp?) is a serious misrepresentation. And Min's lynch was a perfect example of the point I'm trying to prove. A PR is NEVER an indication of scumminess, it's merely an excuse to FoS someone when there's no evidence of something to build a case against someone. If someone was acting scummy PRIOR to a PR being enforced, than I can see us saying that someones PR is a punishment. But it looked to me as if Min came into the game with a PR. Sometimes this can be a balance to offset a seriously powerful role. And in this case, I would assume it's a seriously powerful pro-town role. Ok, "seriously powerful" may be an over-statement, but I think her lynch was seriously "over-the-top." I still see her getting targeted as a D1 "we're close to a deadline, so we have to target the player with the most votes" lynch. And I didn't see anyone else other than you and Meesh in almost complete agreement on the cases you both made and the defenses you both made concerning each other. Maybe you both had cases that made sense to each other, maybe it was coincidence, who knows? But since I can't vote on it I will FoS the both of you hard over what is, after all, strange D1 behavior.

 

"We thirst. The blood of the living calls to us. Soon you shall join with us and the Master shall reign over the land of the living and the dead. Resistance is futile. We are here."

[John E. Kelley]

Ishmael I think your last post only makes my proof in Min's favor even stronger.

 

I don't feel like we should waste the coroner's report on her, because I don't think this lynch was strong and I really don't think Min is scum. But clearly there is some form of a majority thinking she is scum, so my opinion doesn't count for very much there ;)

 

But I agree with you. Maybe that means we're in a secret pact together? Who knows? I surely don't. At this point, the only pact I have with anything is the pact of Death. Being a ghost means that I only know that I'm dead. Whatever that means.

[John E. Kelley]

Ishmael I think your last post only makes my proof in Min's favor even stronger.

 

I don't feel like we should waste the coroner's report on her, because I don't think this lynch was strong and I really don't think Min is scum. But clearly there is some form of a majority thinking she is scum, so my opinion doesn't count for very much there ;)

 

But I agree with you. Maybe that means we're in a secret pact together? Who knows? I surely don't. At this point, the only pact I have with anything is the pact of Death. Being a ghost means that I only know that I'm dead. Whatever that means.

Bah. Forgot my creepy ghostly post on that one....

"I'm a ghost. Boooooo....."

[Nolder]

How do I expect a lynch to occur on D1? Be honest, in 90% of the games we all play in, it's always a rush to lynch someone that has the most joke votes to avoid a random lynch.

I honestly believe this is a symptom of people not quite knowing how to play mafia rather than an inability to agree on anything

granted I believe day 1 is probably the hardest day besides the last day, whichever day that may be

 

Again, I'm speaking of D1 specifically, agreements can occur after that, sure, but for two players to be in almost perfect agreement on Day or Night 1 is so very rare that when it happens, it's so unusual that it seriously stands out.

have we been in perfect agreement? I'd have to reread to be sure but I don't think we've agreed with everything the other has said

but even if that were the case I'd like to ask you exactly how many things do we have to agree on before it becomes suspicious? I'm sure it can't just be one or two right? that could amount to pure coincidence you agree?

so how much can two people agree before it becomes "fishy"?

I ask because I'm fairly sure we haven't agreed on more than two or three things and I believe you're making a mountain out of a molehill

 

And Min's lynch was a perfect example of the point I'm trying to prove. A PR is NEVER an indication of scumminess,

I agree completely

in fact I think I said as much in one of my posts

but if you think about how a PR would be worded Min's behavior doesn't quite add up

is a PR going to say "you have to vote and push on Kivam, but only most of the time"?

of course not but that's exactly what happened

she made posts where she didn't talk about Kivam at all and that is suspect imo

 

furthermore if she had a PR why was she talking?

I don't mean to be rude about it but to me that's bad play

if I had a PR that I knew would make me look scummy I'd shut my mouth and lay as low as possible

 

of course she may have just "sacrificed" herself to get it out of the way so she wouldn't confuse us later

in which case we did exactly what she wanted us to do

 

but my point is things were not adding up around Min at all and it was definitely the best lead we had when the deadline came

could we have found a better target? I believe so

but the truth is we ran out of time and those of us trying to convince the others to move their votes elsewhere failed

even so I do not think it was a bad lynch at all

 

But it looked to me as if Min came into the game with a PR. Sometimes this can be a balance to offset a seriously powerful role. And in this case, I would assume it's a seriously powerful pro-town role.

if that's the case then the checks and balances came into play here which is exactly what her PR was intended to do no?

I don't think you can really blame the town for this when it would be hoof that put us in that position

 

I still see her getting targeted as a D1 "we're close to a deadline, so we have to target the player with the most votes" lynch. And I didn't see anyone else other than you and Meesh in almost complete agreement on the cases you both made and the defenses you both made concerning each other. Maybe you both had cases that made sense to each other, maybe it was coincidence, who knows? But since I can't vote on it I will FoS the both of you hard over what is, after all, strange D1 behavior.

IIRC Min was suspicious almost from the getgo due to her unexplained vote on the absent Kivam so I hardly think her lynch was rushed or unjustified

we'd been working our way towards it for quite awhile

 

as for Meesh and myself

if you're referring to her reply to Red

I think that had to do more with Red's attitude (no offense Red) and the way she kind of blew up at me rather than anything to do with me or this game

I could be wrong though, that was just my impression of what happened between them

 

and I don't think we were in agreement about our cases

she never voted Graendal's Favorite did she? so how can you say we were in "perfect agreement" when we weren't taking the same actions on people?

 

it's amazing that you can defend someone like Min who was clearly a toxic distraction to town if nothing else and yet refuse to give Meesh and I the benefit of the doubt on a series of exaggerated and coincidental "agreements" and "defenses"

 

at this point I am perfectly comfortable with throwing a FoS right back in your direction

I'd say it's a shame I can't vote you as well but seeing as you cannot vote me either I'll just call it even

[Nolder]

Ishmael I think your last post only makes my proof in Min's favor even stronger.

 

I don't feel like we should waste the coroner's report on her, because I don't think this lynch was strong and I really don't think Min is scum. But clearly there is some form of a majority thinking she is scum, so my opinion doesn't count for very much there ;)

I don't feel that it would be wasted on anyone except maybe our most lurky ghosts (I think someone is have internet trouble?)

I find it suspicious that you would try to direct the coroner away from Min

[Leelou]

I had no internet for close to a week. That is fixed now. I need to catch up and will post thoughts, but I need sleep first.

[Amadine]

I honestly believe this is a symptom of people not quite knowing how to play mafia rather than an inability to agree on anything

granted I believe day 1 is probably the hardest day besides the last day, whichever day that may be

 

Oh sorry great master... how could we at DM possibly know how to play mafia </sarcasm>

Just because we play differently than you are used to and/or how you play doesn't mean we don't know how to play.

[Minuet]

First off if I was town and saw my behavior I would have lynched my butt as you all did. PR's suck and I have found over the course of games that they come in all shapes, sizes and with strange restrictions. PR's can also be very distracting and limiting on what the person can do about them. Not posting sometimes is not an option. Same with you have to do this and make this person look this way, but only so many posts. Pain in the butt if you ask me.

As far as the coroner report goes, if you all want to use it fine with me. I would hope we can use it to gain valuable information later in the game, but if you want to use it on me then go for it.

I don't know about the scum voting for me. I mean being town I have no clue who is what. I would have thought the mafia would want to keep me in the game as I was creating such a lovely WIFOM. Who knows.

[Nolder]

I honestly believe this is a symptom of people not quite knowing how to play mafia rather than an inability to agree on anything

granted I believe day 1 is probably the hardest day besides the last day, whichever day that may be

 

Oh sorry great master... how could we at DM possibly know how to play mafia </sarcasm>

Just because we play differently than you are used to and/or how you play doesn't mean we don't know how to play.

I wasn't trying to be offensive but you seem like you're trying to pick a fight here so I'll take the bait

 

if you know how to play then why is there usually a mad dash to achieve a lynch on day 1?

with the sizes these games tend to run on you'd think just getting the amount of votes needed on day 1 wouldn't be in question but it too often is

why? because people random/joke vote and form 10+ little competing trains (if 1-2 votes can be called a train), achieve nothing by it, and then have no idea who to lynch when a deadline looms near because next to nothing was discussed aside from banter

many people are also simply inactive but this is poor etiquette rather than poor play

[killuliu]

First off if I was town and saw my behavior I would have lynched my butt as you all did. PR's suck and I have found over the course of games that they come in all shapes, sizes and with strange restrictions. PR's can also be very distracting and limiting on what the person can do about them. Not posting sometimes is not an option. Same with you have to do this and make this person look this way, but only so many posts. Pain in the butt if you ask me.

 

As far as the coroner report goes, if you all want to use it fine with me. I would hope we can use it to gain valuable information later in the game, but if you want to use it on me then go for it.

 

I don't know about the scum voting for me. I mean being town I have no clue who is what. I would have thought the mafia would want to keep me in the game as I was creating such a lovely WIFOM. Who knows.

 

I've been taught that day one lynches are valuable in that they grant us information, so why waste the information your lynch might give? You know, you can claim whatever you want, but in the end, you could all too well be lieing, so I think it's far safer for the coroner to check you and see what info we get.. The other option would be the coroner checking some random and give nearly zero info.. But I might be wrong as well :)

[Amadine]

I honestly believe this is a symptom of people not quite knowing how to play mafia rather than an inability to agree on anything

granted I believe day 1 is probably the hardest day besides the last day, whichever day that may be

 

Oh sorry great master... how could we at DM possibly know how to play mafia </sarcasm>

 

Just because we play differently than you are used to and/or how you play doesn't mean we don't know how to play.

I wasn't trying to be offensive but you seem like you're trying to pick a fight here so I'll take the bait

 

if you know how to play then why is there usually a mad dash to achieve a lynch on day 1?

with the sizes these games tend to run on you'd think just getting the amount of votes needed on day 1 wouldn't be in question but it too often is

why? because people random/joke vote and form 10+ little competing trains (if 1-2 votes can be called a train), achieve nothing by it, and then have no idea who to lynch when a deadline looms near because next to nothing was discussed aside from banter

many people are also simply inactive but this is poor etiquette rather than poor play

 

People should be warned that i am medicated for other people's safety, not my own.

That said, much of the time your posts come across as extremely condescending and you wonder why people bite.

[Niniel]

First off if I was town and saw my behavior I would have lynched my butt as you all did. PR's suck and I have found over the course of games that they come in all shapes, sizes and with strange restrictions. PR's can also be very distracting and limiting on what the person can do about them. Not posting sometimes is not an option. Same with you have to do this and make this person look this way, but only so many posts. Pain in the butt if you ask me.

As far as the coroner report goes, if you all want to use it fine with me. I would hope we can use it to gain valuable information later in the game, but if you want to use it on me then go for it.

I don't know about the scum voting for me. I mean being town I have no clue who is what. I would have thought the mafia would want to keep me in the game as I was creating such a lovely WIFOM. Who knows.

IDK. I read this post that if you are mafia then you are trying to clear mafia buddies that helped to lynch you.

 

I have never played in a game where there is no coroners report. If I understand it correct we have a coroner. Can he/she view any other then recently dead people? I mean I don´t think we ghosts have dead bodies lying around. Do the coroner have any choice right now? Or can he/she usually only view a certain amount of people in each game?