Who will lead the dark forces?

[DigitalSoul]

Which "old friends" do u think we will see leading the forces of the shadow in the last battle?

[SharpDressedAsha'Man]

Hopefully not Demandred. At least not in the sense of being on the battlefield, if tactics were devised by him and put into play by his minions then that'll be cool, but I want him to have some sort of confrontation with Rand.

[Goldstar]

I would imagine Taim would. If any of the Aiel we've seen turn out to be Darkfriends, like Rhuarc or Sorilea, I think they may lead a section, perhaps. The Trollocs will be led by Myrdraal, and the humans will be lead by...?

[Superhal]

I think it's definitely Moridin, since his base of operations is in the blight.

[DigitalSoul]

whats left of the black ajah?

[jahnfriederik]

I think it's definitely Moridin, since his base of operations is in the blight.

qft

 

How could it be anyone else? He is Nae'blis.

[Lightflame]

I think it's definitely Moridin, since his base of operations is in the blight.

qft

 

How could it be anyone else? He is Nae'blis.

Well, it could always be The Dark One.

 

But I think the Smiling Aiel had the 13 X 13 trick used on them.

[MatBloodyCauthon]

I think it's definitely Moridin, since his base of operations is in the blight.

qft

 

How could it be anyone else? He is Nae'blis.

Well, it could always be The Dark One.

 

But I think the Smiling Aiel had the 13 X 13 trick used on them.

 

What is the 13 X 13 trick i know people can be turned to the dark against their will but thats with 13 wheres the other 13 coming from and how did Taim aqquire a Dreamspike? cuz thats obviously what is keeping the Asha'Man from channeling gateways and will it be Rand or Perrin that discovers it or perhaps someone else.

[Hybrid]

What is the 13 X 13 trick i know people can be turned to the dark against their will but thats with 13 wheres the other 13 coming from

13 channelers channeling the weave through 13 Myrdraal.

 

and how did Taim aqquire a Dreamspike?

Almost certainly from Moridin. He gives one to Graendal and mentions having another already in use. (TOM, Ch 2)

[Durinax]

moridin will have overall command, with each remaining forsaken having control over a portion of the rest of the forces, with random channellers under them, then myrrdraal.

 

the only wild card in the chain of command is Shadar haran

[MatBloodyCauthon]

What is the 13 X 13 trick i know people can be turned to the dark against their will but thats with 13 wheres the other 13 coming from

13 channelers channeling the weave through 13 Myrdraal.

 

and how did Taim aqquire a Dreamspike?

Almost certainly from Moridin. He gives one to Graendal and mentions having another already in use. (TOM, Ch 2)

 

Blood and ashes I forgot about the myrdraal okay so that answers that and yea I knew about the other Dreamspike Moridin I guess my question is wouldn't Logain have gone to Rand about not being able to channel there if it was put into use before the one Greandal had speculative question

[Hybrid]

It only prevents Traveling and Skimming.

 

Rand already knows that you can't Travel into the Black Tower (TOM 51). As for Logain, we see that Rand thinks he's at the Black Tower (TOM 51) but his faction thinks he hasn't yet returned (TOM 46, TOM 56).

 

Either Logain knows something is up (perhaps he tried to Travel there, failed, and sent in Mezar to scout things out) or he's in Taim's custody.

 

At least, that's what I've got from memory and referencing encyclopaedia-wot. I haven't read TOM enough to be as familiar with it as the other books.

[Arani Lepenque Aes Sedai]

I think it's definitely Moridin, since his base of operations is in the blight.

qft

 

How could it be anyone else? He is Nae'blis.

Well, it could always be The Dark One.

 

But I think the Smiling Aiel had the 13 X 13 trick used on them.

 

What is the 13 X 13 trick i know people can be turned to the dark against their will but thats with 13 wheres the other 13 coming from and how did Taim aqquire a Dreamspike? cuz thats obviously what is keeping the Asha'Man from channeling gateways and will it be Rand or Perrin that discovers it or perhaps someone else.

 

That won't be possible UNLESS the Aiel were originally channelers, which I think is unlikely. Channelers and ONLY channelers can be turned using this method.

[Goldstar]

Arani, it's very likelye those Aiel are the male channelers that go north to fight the Dark One. Every Aiel man that learns he can channel goes.

[Durinax]

actually, rand may know the key to that dreamspike, or be able to deduce it from his past memories and TAR

[mb]

The ranks I imagine would be like this::

1. Forsaken (if any of them are left); top of them being whoever is Naeblis at the time

2. Darkfriend channelers; top of them being ones with leadership positions in respective groups

3. non-channeling Darkfriends; top of them being ones with "special" powers

4. Shadowspawn; top of them being myrddraal

[GYLD]

Ishamael receives little mention of ever leading troops in the War of Shadow, and I don't see that changing. Like Rand he cannot be there at the Last Battle to lead his troops personally because he has more important things to do. He'll be at the Pit of Doom trying to prevent Rand from sealing the Dark One away.

 

Like the War of Shadow, I expect Demandred to be the most prominent of the Shadow's generals, with Taim and Alviarian commanding a good many dreadlords. Hopefully Weiramon gets some kind of command. I want to see how he performs when he's not deliberately trying to screw up.

[mb]

Not sure about Moridin or Rand not being able to be there.

 

Some portion of Rand's troops I imagine would come with him to Shayol Ghul.

And whoever is Naeblis then (if any Forsaken survive pre-Tarmon Gaidon events) would need some portion of the Shadow's forces in order to have a chance against him/them.

[Hybrid]

The ranks I imagine would be like this::

1. Forsaken (if any of them are left); top of them being whoever is Naeblis at the time

2. Darkfriend channelers; top of them being ones with leadership positions in respective groups

3. non-channeling Darkfriends; top of them being ones with "special" powers

4. Shadowspawn; top of them being myrddraal

 

Not necessarily. Myrrdraal have commanded Darkfriends before.

 

Ex. TGH, the Myrrdraal that Fain ends up nailing to the door.

[Generic_Aelfinn_2]

NVM, misread -_-

[mb]

Modified::

1. Forsaken (if any of them are left); top of them being whoever is Naeblis at the time

2. Shadowspawn; top of them being myrddraal

3. Darkfriend channelers; top of them being ones with leadership positions in respective groups

4. non-channeling Darkfriends; top of them being ones with "special" powers

[Finnssss22]

Be'lal, Sammy and Demandred were the 3 main Generals for the Shadow in the War of Power so...kind of a default thing going on imo.