[Advanced] Monty Python and the Holy Grail Mafia (Game Over)

[Amadine]

What i am seeing from Red is normal game play. She is an aggressive player, but she usually gets results, and she plays the same strategy as town or scum. I'm not getting a scum feeling from either Red nor Charis - but we will see what shakes loose there.

 

Moon's comments however, did ping the scumdar - though not hugely.

 

Min always feels scummy to me, no matter what her alignment. And if i had been here i probably would have voted Hoof for a half reveal, if you are truly trying to save your arse you will reveal in full and hope that if you have a power role the doc will protect you, it's better than sowing discord with a scummy half reveal.

[Charis alAslan]

Finally I agree with Red on something! We're definitely not on the same team. However, yes - anyone who is familiar with the infamous "Kivam Gambit" (Christine, are you familiar?) would know that anything is possible in mafia. In this case, however, I believe BG explained it best.

 

What I honestly think is that Red isnt really scum, she's just loud. And I've said as much in my posts, that she's either under a PR or she's a solo win because she's drawing so much attention to herself for no apparent reason. My original FoS was on Jack because of his scummy remarks in the beginning and that whole exchange was derailed due to my battle with Red. Now that that's over, and seeing as how Jack's still alive this day, IMO it's highly likely he is scum. If he and Red are on the same team, as I've also suggested, then if he flips scum I will be comfortable enough to vote her as scum, too. Therefore, I will continue along those lines to

 

VOTE JACK

 

And this isnt an OMGUS vote. His vote on me is the OMGUS because I pointed the FoS at him first. Just to be clear.

 

I've been so distracted that I havent actually looked at Min or Moon. Possibly also because they were under Red-fire just like I was. Clearly, it's not a good strategy to overlook them just because of that. Either one or both could be scum. I'd be willing to change my vote off Jack... for now... but I need to review.

[Red2111]

*Reds armor rattles and she points her sword at Charis*

 

Yee Fair maiden, I have told yee before. Linking two people together gives the scum ammo, why would yee want to give the scummy mcscumsters such a way to manipulate.

 

Part of a scums aim is to get theirselves linked with a townie, that way when they go down they take an innocent with them and keep the numbers good for them. this is why linking players together is wrong and wll get you alot more innocents lynched. and as long as people continue to link others together, i'll continue to point the FoS at them for it.

 

*gives a meaningful look at Charis* lynch someone becuase of what they've personally done in a game, not because you think their linked together.

 

 

*Red gives a satisfied nod and struts around in an important manor*

[keyholder21]

I know some of this has been said before, but I'm saying it again lol. On my reread, I actually thought Moon and Min were the most scummy. Yes Red and Charis's accusations of each other were distracting, but they both read more like disgruntled townies trying to 'prove' themselves to the group than teammates in a gambit, or even mafia trying to case someone. Not that they couldn't be either of those, just don't feel it to me.

 

Moon:

  On 6/10/2011 at 10:14 PM, Ahmoondah Sedai said:

AJ, I think you might actually be on to something with Min.

Unvote Vote Minuet

 

Quite quick to jump on the Min train and not for very good reasoning.

 

Later:

 

  On 6/13/2011 at 8:20 PM, Ahmoondah Sedai said:

Blackhoof does act suspicious, sirs.

 

Trying to separate herself from her hasty vote earlier?

 

  On 6/17/2011 at 12:40 AM, Ahmoondah Sedai said:

WOah- I spend a day off of Mafia and come back to a LOT...

UNVOTE

Vote Blackhoof

I realise this might sound like a bandwagon, or a response to a previous vote against myself.

I actually think Trench is making a good case for Blackhoof.

He pointed out his long history of suspicious acting.

 

Again, going along with what others have said/thought. It might seem like BW/OMGUS because it is?

 

  On 6/17/2011 at 1:41 PM, Ahmoondah Sedai said:

Charis knows that nks are part of the game, she is just afraid that Mafia scum are gonna target her for Night One because she's been working a case against you and Red.

Of course, now that i've said that, you and Red won't NK Charis, because it would put a stronger FOS at you.

Scum.

I'd change my vote, but I still strongly think Hoofy is Scum.

 

I know it's already been said, but sounds extrememly scummmy.

 

Min:

 

  On 6/13/2011 at 5:40 AM, Minuet said:

All silliness aside we do need to getting on with it and scouting out scum. Sorry, I have just been so excited about the Monty Python's Holy Grail theme that I have been goofing off a bit more then normal for games.

 

So, with that I will go with an earlier post of mine and actually vote for the person that is top on my list.

Vote Moon

 

OMGUS vote.

 

  On 6/13/2011 at 7:12 AM, Minuet said:

Fine, I just figured we should get on with the game.

Get on with it!

 

Eager to get on with the game = eager for NA?

 

  On 6/17/2011 at 5:34 AM, Minuet said:

Okay, since there is more information now, I will change my vote. However, if he isn't mafia I will feel bad for changing my vote as I truly believe Moon is scum.

 

Oh, Mod God can we have an official vote count please?

unvote vote Blackhoof

 

Here’s the vote Jack was referring to earlier, the one right after Blackie’s reveal. Hm…and look at that, it’s Min.

 

That being stated, I would be happy with a lynch of either Moon or Min. For now, I'm going to vote Moon because she seems scummier.

[Sedai]

  On 6/22/2011 at 12:40 PM, Charis alAslan said:

Finally I agree with Red on something! We're definitely not on the same team. However, yes - anyone who is familiar with the infamous "Kivam Gambit" (Christine, are you familiar?) would know that anything is possible in mafia. In this case, however, I believe BG explained it best.

 

What I honestly think is that Red isnt really scum, she's just loud. And I've said as much in my posts, that she's either under a PR or she's a solo win because she's drawing so much attention to herself for no apparent reason. My original FoS was on Jack because of his scummy remarks in the beginning and that whole exchange was derailed due to my battle with Red. Now that that's over, and seeing as how Jack's still alive this day, IMO it's highly likely he is scum. If he and Red are on the same team, as I've also suggested, then if he flips scum I will be comfortable enough to vote her as scum, too. Therefore, I will continue along those lines to

 

weak sauce Charis. You've yet to really say how wanting day 1 to end and pushing for night 1 is scummy? Night kills usually give us more to go in then spamfest, random voting, last minuet before deadline lynches do. JLM was NK. She didn't post much, and I've saw her name on different mafia boards. She looks like a veteran. Couple her lack of posting and interactions with her supposed reputation and I believe at least one member of the scum team is a very experienced player and has played with JLM before.

 

VOTE JACK

 

And this isnt an OMGUS vote. His vote on me is the OMGUS because I pointed the FoS at him first. Just to be clear.

 

I've been so distracted that I havent actually looked at Min or Moon. Possibly also because they were under Red-fire just like I was. Clearly, it's not a good strategy to overlook them just because of that. Either one or both could be scum. I'd be willing to change my vote off Jack... for now... but I need to review.

[Red2111]

*Red picks out a tree and practices her sword play, eagar to deend her position and allow no one to pass*

 

 

Jack - she has stated why she thinks your eagerness for D1 to be over was scummy.

 

Key - you bring back up some intersting points, and thank you for doing so since these two are our main lynch candidates right now. the only think i disgaree with is the assumption that Min's "get on with it" means something. it could mean something of course, but i think it was more of a flavor quote really. in the movie theres two seperate times where they break into a side play of "Get on with it" as a joke.

[killuliu]

  On 6/22/2011 at 12:25 PM, Red2111 said:

Kill - i'm a she, not a he though i'm very tom-boyish in nature

 

Sorry :D I'm quite certain I've heard that before, but my memory is just so bad. And because, as I usually say, I hate your freaking Indo-European languages (German and Swedish especially) for many things, but the need for different personal pronouns for males and females :D

[Sedai]

  On 6/22/2011 at 2:34 PM, Red2111 said:

*Red picks out a tree and practices her sword play, eagar to deend her position and allow no one to pass*

 

 

Jack - she has stated why she thinks your eagerness for D1 to be over was scummy.

 

Key - you bring back up some intersting points, and thank you for doing so since these two are our main lynch candidates right now. the only think i disgaree with is the assumption that Min's "get on with it" means something. it could mean something of course, but i think it was more of a flavor quote really. in the movie theres two seperate times where they break into a side play of "Get on with it" as a joke.

 

I have insisted that the reason I was awaiting night is because day 1 is basically useless. IMO. Charis insisting in the sinister makes me believe she's casting smoke. Then her post about her being afraid of the night just really bothered me.

 

What's your oppinion on my night kill breakdown?

[Charis alAslan]

  On 6/22/2011 at 2:34 PM, Red2111 said:

 

Jack - she has stated why she thinks your eagerness for D1 to be over was scummy.

 

 

Thank you. I've OVERSTATED it actually. And frankly, I wasnt the only one who thought so. (There are two links in that sentence in case your browser doesnt show it.)

[Alanna]

Re: Your nk breakdown, Jack: I think it's pretty much accurate; JLM is definitely an experienced player. However, I don't know that that necessarily means there's another experienced player on the mafia who has played with her and wanted to kill her. You yourself haven't played with her much, yet have gathered that she's a vet; other people new to DM mafia, or mafia at all, could do the same. And, as she didn't post much, they might've just gone after her to go for a kill that wouldn't give much info.

 

In general, I'm not really for lynching someone who was eager to get the game going yesterday, be it Min or Jack, mostly because I myself was tired of the quote fest and wanted to get on it (in fact, the only reason I didn't say so was because people were getting jumped on for it). At least, I don't want to lynch anyone solely for that reason. Min especially, I'm not getting any scum vibes from. I'm leaning more towards Moon at the moment, though I almost always find her scummy, so I'm going to hold off a bit longer and hear what more people have to say.

[bgrishinko]

  On 6/22/2011 at 4:55 AM, Alanna said:

Charis and Red could both be mafia if this was some kind of gambit between them. Not saying I think it is, but a couple people now have said they can't both be mafia, and that's not true.

 

That's fair and true.

 

I'm going to keep quiet for a bit and observe until Min and Moon come back and do some talking.

[Graendals favourite]

Ok, well, I hold to my old suspicions on wombat and jack, but cause I wonder, could Moon be behind it all. No, that doesn't make sense, but she's been on the fringes of suspicion. I must reread.

[Red2111]

*Red siwshes her sword at GF*

 

Graendal, i've aske dyou before but you seem to have eithe rnot noticed it or ignored it. what exactly do you find suspicious about Wombat?? you keep saying he's furthest up your scumdar, yet you give no quotes or even a reason to back it up.

[Graendals favourite]

Oh, well, it was the earliest half bandwagon I could get on. Just to stroke the crowd. But what happened later, it indicated I might have caught a villain. Though that was early play, just everyone coming in. Perhaps it matter little?

[Sakaea]

I definitely want to hear more from Moon.

 

However, Red's walls of text have me halfway convinced that she's town. And I find Charis' emphatic statement that they are not on the same team to be very suspect and scummy. How do you know you're not on the same team? If Charis is scum, and Red is not, she would know. Likewise, if Charis is town, she wouldn't know that her and Red are on the same team or not. So, FOS Charis.

[Sakaea]

  On 6/22/2011 at 12:40 PM, Charis alAslan said:

Finally I agree with Red on something! We're definitely not on the same team. However, yes - anyone who is familiar with the infamous "Kivam Gambit" (Christine, are you familiar?) would know that anything is possible in mafia. In this case, however, I believe BG explained it best.

 

 

This is the post I was referring to. Also, can somebody explain what the Kivam Gambit was?

[Sakaea]

  On 6/22/2011 at 12:25 PM, Red2111 said:

*Red walks around in her heavy black armor, blocking the way of those who wish to cross the river*

 

i also agree with Alanna, just becuase two people are goign back & forth on the game thread doesn't mean it's not a gambit; so even though you guys are right in this case and Charis & i aren't on a team, that wont be the case in every game.

 

 

i'm good with a lynch on either Min or Moon.

 

 

And I'm fully aware that Red said they weren't on a team first. But Charis was much more emphatic. Maybe they're Lovers?

[csarmi]

Min

 

I have very slow net and low access these days. I just find her scummiest. I might change my vote later when I'll've had more time to read up.

[Charis alAslan]

  On 6/22/2011 at 6:08 PM, Sakaea said:

I definitely want to hear more from Moon.

 

However, Red's walls of text have me halfway convinced that she's town. And I find Charis' emphatic statement that they are not on the same team to be very suspect and scummy. How do you know you're not on the same team? If Charis is scum, and Red is not, she would know. Likewise, if Charis is town, she wouldn't know that her and Red are on the same team or not. So, FOS Charis.

 

Sakaea, you make a valid point. I should qualify my statement and I believe Red also meant it the way I did: that we're not on a scum team or perhaps even a mason team together. I didnt mean Town. In that case, if Red is Town then, yes, we are on the same team. I just wasnt thinking in terms of Town.

 

  On 6/22/2011 at 6:10 PM, Sakaea said:

  On 6/22/2011 at 12:40 PM, Charis alAslan said:

Finally I agree with Red on something! We're definitely not on the same team. However, yes - anyone who is familiar with the infamous "Kivam Gambit" (Christine, are you familiar?) would know that anything is possible in mafia. In this case, however, I believe BG explained it best.

 

 

This is the post I was referring to. Also, can somebody explain what the Kivam Gambit was?

 

As I said above.

 

Ok, a Kivam Gambit. This was classic. In some mafia game (I dont know because I didnt play in it), Kivam and Talya were both scum. They went back and forth on the threads hacking away at each other (verbally) in a vicious manner until everyone was convinced that Kivam was mafia and Talya was Town. They lynched Kivam, he flipped scum and of course, Talya was safe for the rest of the game. This ended up being a ploy that they both cooked up in order that the scum would win through Kivam's sacrifice. I believe it worked. Did anyone play in that game? Krak may have. I would've loved to have seen it.

 

  On 6/22/2011 at 6:14 PM, Sakaea said:

 

And I'm fully aware that Red said they weren't on a team first. But Charis was much more emphatic. Maybe they're Lovers?

 

Ew! I WILL be emphatic about this and say NO WAY. I may not have seen Holy Grail in a long time, but which characters would be lovers?? o_O

[Charis alAslan]

  On 6/22/2011 at 12:52 PM, Red2111 said:

*Reds armor rattles and she points her sword at Charis*

 

Yee Fair maiden, I have told yee before. Linking two people together gives the scum ammo, why would yee want to give the scummy mcscumsters such a way to manipulate.

 

Part of a scums aim is to get theirselves linked with a townie, that way when they go down they take an innocent with them and keep the numbers good for them. this is why linking players together is wrong and wll get you alot more innocents lynched. and as long as people continue to link others together, i'll continue to point the FoS at them for it.

 

*gives a meaningful look at Charis* lynch someone becuase of what they've personally done in a game, not because you think their linked together.

 

*Red gives a satisfied nod and struts around in an important manor*

 

Yes, yes, yes, Red. I understand what you're saying, but I think I've already shown how you contributed to the linkage yourself.

 

Anyway, I'm not addressing the linkage issue in particular, but I want to say that I think I'm going to retract my statement that Red is under a PR. UNLESS a PR can last the entire game? I've only been in games where PR's are given for a day. And if this isnt a PR, and if it's not a jester thing either, then is this just your way of revealing your character, Red? Because I do believe you've more than given enough hints.

[Sedai]

@Alanna what made me think of am experienced player is the fact that they chose a nk target that left the town @ square 1. They left the key arguments in place by leaving all the arguing players alive. Hoping they could run up a lynch on one another. That was the perfect strategic kill. Because JLM could have been a valuable commodity the more the game progresses. So I feel comfortable assuming a very experienced player has the reins scum side.

 

Moon's defense of Charis feels like she knows charis's alignment. Charis's not picking up the defense statement (unless she did so in her link post.) makes me believe she isn't really sure of moon's allignment. Unless Charis is an experienced player in which case she's trying to distance the idea of them being on a team. Moon sounds like a symp, well that post does. The fact that moon picked up Charis's whole I look scummy because I wanted day 1 over.

 

If I look scummy for wanting day 1 over, why doesn't other players look the same? I believe the scum were using my post to put up a front of innocence.

[Sedai]

UNVOTE and vote moon I'm happy to lynch moon. See my earlier post for reason why

[Christine]

Ach! I hate being in the Pacific because I wake up and I am 15 posts behind.

[Sakaea]

Ok, I am satisfied with Charis' answers. So as of now, I believe that Red and Charis are both most likely town.

Also, if Moon doesn't show up fairly soon, I'm going to assume she's quite probably scum.

[trench]

  On 6/22/2011 at 7:06 PM, Charis alAslan said:

  On 6/22/2011 at 12:52 PM, Red2111 said:

*Reds armor rattles and she points her sword at Charis*

 

Yee Fair maiden, I have told yee before. Linking two people together gives the scum ammo, why would yee want to give the scummy mcscumsters such a way to manipulate.

 

Part of a scums aim is to get theirselves linked with a townie, that way when they go down they take an innocent with them and keep the numbers good for them. this is why linking players together is wrong and wll get you alot more innocents lynched. and as long as people continue to link others together, i'll continue to point the FoS at them for it.

 

*gives a meaningful look at Charis* lynch someone becuase of what they've personally done in a game, not because you think their linked together.

 

*Red gives a satisfied nod and struts around in an important manor*

 

Yes, yes, yes, Red. I understand what you're saying, but I think I've already shown how you contributed to the linkage yourself.

 

Anyway, I'm not addressing the linkage issue in particular, but I want to say that I think I'm going to retract my statement that Red is under a PR. UNLESS a PR can last the entire game? I've only been in games where PR's are given for a day. And if this isnt a PR, and if it's not a jester thing either, then is this just your way of revealing your character, Red? Because I do believe you've more than given enough hints.

 

I have played in a few games where the Post Restriction lasted the whole game or was conditional to an item or a situation that could release them. I have been operating under the assumption that Red is under a post restriction, if she is not, then I bow to Red the true Master of manipulation.

 

I would be willing to throw a vote behind Min or Moon, but I would want to hear from them before I committed. I have stated my suspicions of Min but I am not as sure of Moon as some people are. Also I would like to hear from the quite people as well.