Wheel of Time Mafia Game Thread

[Krakalakachkn]

Each player makes his or her own decisions about who to vote for.

 

That's idealistic crap that doesn't exist in real mafia games. It's incredibly easy to lead people around on lynches; I've seen it done countless times over many games.

[Myndrunner]

Each player makes his or her own decisions about who to vote for.

 

That's idealistic crap that doesn't exist in real mafia games. It's incredibly easy to lead people around on lynches; I've seen it done countless times over many games.

 

[bgrishinko]

Each player makes his or her own decisions about who to vote for.

 

That's idealistic crap that doesn't exist in real mafia games. It's incredibly easy to lead people around on lynches; I've seen it done countless times over many games.

 

 

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[hotpocket2006]

lol Song does too. Two thumbs up.

 

 

I also did the same thing AJ when Kwom chirped in with his post. I lol'd. Hard. Like I've been saying for awhile, a bus driver is mostly used as a anti town role, though it is sometimes used for pro town roles. And even if he is town, he isn't playing at all, unless he is mentioned, and he says he hasn't used his role. I call BS!

 

VOTE KWOM he is the best lynch IMO, though Krak is looking better to me now with his last few posts and I would be willing to change my vote.

[Myndrunner]

Kwom's recent posts haven't helped his situation much at all. I'm still leaning towards Krak as he continues to dig; however, it was interesting that Kwom surfaces when we start bagging on him. It's almost as if his mafia friends told him to come defend himself.

 

Also, from MafiaWiki....

 

The Bus Driver is a role who may choose to switch two players each night. Thus, any night choice performed on a switched player will affect the other player targeted by the Bus Driver. The Bus Driver's night choices are only valid for that same night.

 

For example, the Bus Driver switches John and Jack. That same night, a roleblocker targets John and a Goon targets Jack. It will be Jack to be roleblocked and John to be killed. The next night, those players will no longer be switched (unless the Bus Driver targets them again).

 

How would this role be a benefit to the town at all? Why did he target Red and Aemon with this, both of which at the time were appearing quite innocent.

 

...and Kwom claims to not have used his power since this one time.

[bgrishinko]

Vote Kwom

[Myndrunner]

*Mynd should be grading papers right now*

 

I'm keeping my vote on Krak for now. It will be interesting to see if he hesitates in voting for Kwom.

[Krakalakachkn]

No chance. You're more dangerous than Kwom is.

 

 

Also, there's no possible way for me to defend myself without revealing. Therefore your digging picture is apt because nothing I do at this point besides "dig myself deeper"

[killuliu]

No chance. You're more dangerous than Kwom is.

 

More dangerous to whom? But I'm going after Kwom, though Krak could possibly be a good lynch too :)

[alannalynn]

Krak, I wish I could hear more from you right now. Instead of the same person that is prosecuting you, do you have any other suggestions for a lynch? Don't get irrational because you're inching towards a lynch.

 

I was going to withhold my vote, but I think we can learn a bit more with competing trains. Vote Kwom

 

Can we get an official/unofficial cote count anyone?

[alannalynn]

Nevermind, got it...

 

Krak(4): Mynd, Ahmoondah, Talya, Verbal

Mynd(1): Kraka

Kwom(4): Song, BG, Kill, AJ

[Krakalakachkn]

I really wish I had more to say. I made a mistake and shortly associated with my previous self in wondering which way I voted because someone had made a comment asking how I had voted (or something to that effect) and I answered without thinking. Turns out that Krak 1.0 didn't vote at all, and besides it doesn't matter to my current role. Mynd, of course, immediately jumped on my innocent comment and blew it up with his explosive and in-your-face playing style.

 

Due to Wombat I can't reveal who I think I am (not that I have any idea) and I don't want to reveal my role unless absolutely necessary. So, I ask you, if I'm at L-1 or 2, let me respond before you jump the lynch and finish me (I'm looking at you mafia types).

 

 

Let's be honest here, the only reason I'm getting flak is because TMD was inactive. He posted around 3 times and didn't even post anything worthy of analyzing. I think it's ridiculous to take TMD's lack of posting and say that it means he's mafia, when he was obviously simply inactive (which is why I replaced him). So, taking away the TMD excuse, all you've got is my one post where I questioned my previous vote on Blackhoof...which I don't think was that scummy anyways.

[DrewRiley]

Man leave for a few hours and lynches happen.

 

I think Kwom's role is dangerous, but I have to tell you that I've played several games with a townie busdriver, and never played one with a mafia busdriver. This is just my experience, and Wombat's is likely much different, but it makes me reluctant to lynch Kwom. Kwom was also relatively forthcoming about who he switched on night 1, though I'll admit it took some prodding. Also, what do we learn for future lynches if Kwom flips scum or innocent?

 

Krak, on the other hand, gives us some info on Quibby, who has pinged me for a while. Quibby's "trap" sounds like a way to cover up an attempted distraction from the Amadine lynch, which is what I saw right away after trench doomed Amadine. But it might also be a trap that hooked Krak. I lean towards the former, but lynching Krak would tell us a lot about that situation, I think.

 

So for now, Vote Krak.

 

But let's not rush this, because good things happen to those who wait!

[killuliu]

Krak, on the other hand, gives us some info on Quibby, who has pinged me for a while. Quibby's "trap" sounds like a way to cover up an attempted distraction from the Amadine lynch, which is what I saw right away after trench doomed Amadine. But it might also be a trap that hooked Krak. I lean towards the former, but lynching Krak would tell us a lot about that situation, I think.

 

Quibby is a tad bit fishy, but then again I think that lynching Krak wouldn't tell anything about Quibby really (though I'm ok with Krak lynch too)

 

But let's not rush this, because good things happen to those who wait!

 

And also random lynches that kill our Jack of All Trades. But yes, we shouldn't rush,but waiting too much is bad and dangerous also.

[Nynaeve]

I'm conflicted about Krak. I never subbed in a mafia game for someone else after being ousted from a game... but I can imagine it's hard to make that shift in way of thought. I mean, if he wanted to excuse not voting in the Blackhoof lynch he could have played it safe and say that he couldn't know why TMD did what he did... and we wouldn't be able to argue that. And seeing as drew and Mynd specifically asked for people not on the list to give their reasoning for not voting blackhoof... I don't see it as Krak 'rushing' to defend himself and making a slip. But rather him trying to answer their question and very possibly getting confused.

 

I'm not saying Krak isn't necessarily scum, but rather that I'd like more than this slip to base my vote on. Seeing as the deadline is on Thursday I'll hold off a bit with my vote. I will support majority if need be to avoid a random lynch but at this point I remain uncertain where to cast my vote...

 

 

*goes in search of her pink pill*

 

 

 

Nyn

[Quibby]

I have a hard time seeing Kwom as scum. Frankly, I don't see how the scum, who had chosen their target already, would profit from sending Aemon's actions to Red and vice versa. Likewise- as Kwom himself mentioned- I don't see how his role could be used to consistently give Aemon innocent readings on people unless he was nailing his investigation choices every night. That kind of precision just seems unlikely.

 

I'm wondering if Aemon's finder ability is being inhibited by the whole Logain thing. It might be that he needed to be Healed by Curt/Nynaeve in order to get accurate readings (in simulation of being Healed in LoC). Otherwise, there's a re-director on the scum team that's sending Aemon to the same person every night.

[killuliu]

I have a hard time seeing Kwom as scum. Frankly, I don't see how the scum, who had chosen their target already, would profit from sending Aemon's actions to Red and vice versa. Likewise- as Kwom himself mentioned- I don't see how his role could be used to consistently give Aemon innocent readings on people unless he was nailing his investigation choices every night. That kind of precision just seems unlikely.

 

I'm wondering if Aemon's finder ability is being inhibited by the whole Logain thing. It might be that he needed to be Healed by Curt/Nynaeve in order to get accurate readings (in simulation of being Healed in LoC). Otherwise, there's a re-director on the scum team that's sending Aemon to the same person every night.

 

A fair point, which I didn't get until I re-read what the busdriver does :D But anyways I think that Kwom has been acting oddly.

Do you have any idea that Nyn or Curt could actually heal them, or is just you guess? And can re-director re-direct his target's skill, or do they direct all the NAs against one target to another?

[Quibby]

A fair point, which I didn't get until I re-read what the busdriver does :D But anyways I think that Kwom has been acting oddly.

Do you have any idea that Nyn or Curt could actually heal them, or is just you guess? And can re-director re-direct his target's skill, or do they direct all the NAs against one target to another?

 

Not Nyn or Curt. I didn't phrase that very well. I meant CurtDragon, whose role was Nynaeve the Healer. I don't have any information to confirm the idea; it was mere speculation on why his finder ability seems to be wonky.

 

As for the re-director question, I'd assume that a re-director moves his target's action to a different target that s/he specifies.

[Verbal32]

*Mynd should be grading papers right now*

 

I'm keeping my vote on Krak for now. It will be interesting to see if he hesitates in voting for Kwom.

 

Stop the presses! Hold on!

 

You teach? As in, you have a direct impact on the mynds of young children? O_o

[bgrishinko]

BG thought it would be a good idea to put together a list of people who were alive who had a proclaimed power (or at least pretends to):

 

Here's what BG knew:

 

BG, Adella,Talya: Masons

 

Aemon: (Niave) Finder

Ahmoonda: Rand... so something cool.

Mynd: Roleblocker

Quibby: Message Sender

Kwom: Bus Driver

mcs: ????

killiliu: ????

 

Did BG miss anyone?

[alannalynn]

*Mynd should be grading papers right now*

 

I'm keeping my vote on Krak for now. It will be interesting to see if he hesitates in voting for Kwom.

 

Stop the presses! Hold on!

 

You teach? As in, you have a direct impact on the mynds of young children? O_o

This is the most horrifying thing I've heard since yesterday.

 

Yesterday... someone mentioned kittehs being hurt.

 

I'm still not sure which is worse...

[dapianoplay3r]

Ive been run off my feet all day and i have a monster headache so i only did a skim read (I promise to go back and reread what ive missed tomorrow)

Ive got the feeling that ill miss the deadline then so ill go with my gut feeling which is Krak

Now I sleep

[Talya]

Just to add to what BG said about roles etc...

 

BG, Adella, Talya - Masons

Aemon - finder (naive)

Ahmoon - Rand and has some grat powers no doubt

Mynd -Roleblocker

Quibby - message giver

Kwom - Bus driver

MCS - Says has one (predecessor did)

Killu - Has one, can't remember this?

Krak - Says he has a role and will reveal when gets to L-2 orL-1

Drew - Miller, views mafia, but is town

 

LEFT

 

Nyn

Nae

Quibby

Virt

Song

Verb

Alanna

AJ

MCS

 

The more I think about Kwon's role, the more I think it is town. I don't think this would be used in Aemon's innocent viewings. It's too complicated and unless they knew who he was viewing, makes it impossible. The fact he admitted to choosing Aemon and Red on Day 1. He may have felt something was going on. It was day 1, and someone said they were innocent looking, sometimes that could mean good candidates for mafia. he hasn't done it since, so he says. And I think I can believe that. Doesn't prove his innocence but makes me think more that he maybe.

 

Aemon: I believe this is up to book 6 and it was near the end of that book that Logain was healed. so he could well be a naive Finder and maybe something does have to happen to get him full ability or maybe it changes over the course of the game. I'm not sure there would be two Finders in a game, so naive sounds most likely. There maybe other finder type roles though. If there is a person redirecting his viewings each night, then you could assume that those he had viewed prior to his reveal are correct and those that are after you can be unsure of.

 

Drew, not sure he would say he was a miller and viewed mafia when he had been found innocent if he was mafia. It would prove Aemon once and for all though.

 

Quibby: not sure of. Is he a message sender, I don't think I have quite got to the bottom of that? If so is it a mafia one or town one, what does he send, Is it helpful? I'm sure he has denied being this role, but not sure. So I have big question marks about him.

 

Nae, Alanna, Virt, MCS and Song I haven't heard much from, seem to be keeping very low. Which is something I really don't like. I'm sure there are some Mafia lurking here!

 

AJ has popped in, but seems to be sitting on the fence at the moment. But Aust found her innocent, so I can understand where she maybe coming from. Not 100% sure she is innocent, but a lot higher in my mind than others for the moment.

 

Verb is another not too sure on at present.

 

Mynd, well what can you say about him. He does try to get things going. He does tend to lead (and people do follow -whether because they don't really have a clue and because they can hide behind him and blame him if things go wrong). Leading doesn't mean Mafia and sometimes these games need a shake up. He's not on my innocent list, because he does this whether town or innocent and as yet I'm not sure what he is. Those that have jumped to his defence a little to readily (Song stands out, but isn't the only one) doesn't sit right with me.

 

Krak, My first instinct when it was TMD was that if TMD had been mafia would have been more active. Metagaming, but sometimes instincts are right. Krak though did jump around a bit about the vote for blackhoof, but after reading what Nyn said I can see what she means.

 

UNVOTE

 

Just little doubts in my mind, and Kwom after some thought I think could be town. The person that stand out most to me is Quibby

 

VOTE QUIBBY

 

 

[killuliu]

I won't be able to contribute for this game for next few days. But I will read this still, just hate commenting using my phone.

 

About my role: I don't have any powers, so I'm just a vanilla townie, though I believe there is an item that gives me special powers. Just to clear this up and as I think I already said that once.

[Quibby]

Just to add to what BG said about roles etc...

 

BG, Adella, Talya - Masons

Aemon - finder (naive)

Ahmoon - Rand and has some grat powers no doubt

Mynd -Roleblocker

Quibby - message giver

Kwom - Bus driver

MCS - Says has one (predecessor did)

Killu - Has one, can't remember this?

Krak - Says he has a role and will reveal when gets to L-2 orL-1

Drew - Miller, views mafia, but is town

 

LEFT

 

Nyn

Nae

Quibby

Virt

Song

Verb

Alanna

AJ

MCS

 

The more I think about Kwon's role, the more I think it is town. I don't think this would be used in Aemon's innocent viewings. It's too complicated and unless they knew who he was viewing, makes it impossible. The fact he admitted to choosing Aemon and Red on Day 1. He may have felt something was going on. It was day 1, and someone said they were innocent looking, sometimes that could mean good candidates for mafia. he hasn't done it since, so he says. And I think I can believe that. Doesn't prove his innocence but makes me think more that he maybe.

 

Aemon: I believe this is up to book 6 and it was near the end of that book that Logain was healed. so he could well be a naive Finder and maybe something does have to happen to get him full ability or maybe it changes over the course of the game. I'm not sure there would be two Finders in a game, so naive sounds most likely. There maybe other finder type roles though. If there is a person redirecting his viewings each night, then you could assume that those he had viewed prior to his reveal are correct and those that are after you can be unsure of.

 

Drew, not sure he would say he was a miller and viewed mafia when he had been found innocent if he was mafia. It would prove Aemon once and for all though.

 

Quibby: not sure of. Is he a message sender, I don't think I have quite got to the bottom of that? If so is it a mafia one or town one, what does he send, Is it helpful? I'm sure he has denied being this role, but not sure. So I have big question marks about him.

 

Nae, Alanna, Virt, MCS and Song I haven't heard much from, seem to be keeping very low. Which is something I really don't like. I'm sure there are some Mafia lurking here!

 

AJ has popped in, but seems to be sitting on the fence at the moment. But Aust found her innocent, so I can understand where she maybe coming from. Not 100% sure she is innocent, but a lot higher in my mind than others for the moment.

 

Verb is another not too sure on at present.

 

Mynd, well what can you say about him. He does try to get things going. He does tend to lead (and people do follow -whether because they don't really have a clue and because they can hide behind him and blame him if things go wrong). Leading doesn't mean Mafia and sometimes these games need a shake up. He's not on my innocent list, because he does this whether town or innocent and as yet I'm not sure what he is. Those that have jumped to his defence a little to readily (Song stands out, but isn't the only one) doesn't sit right with me.

 

Krak, My first instinct when it was TMD was that if TMD had been mafia would have been more active. Metagaming, but sometimes instincts are right. Krak though did jump around a bit about the vote for blackhoof, but after reading what Nyn said I can see what she means.

 

UNVOTE

 

Just little doubts in my mind, and Kwom after some thought I think could be town. The person that stand out most to me is Quibby

 

VOTE QUIBBY

 

 

 

I actually revealed that I was a messenger/neighbor/whatever you want to call it on Day 2 as a result of the Aemon-Red chaos.

 

Considering the events of page 101, wherein I posted after Talya several times, I think it's safe to say that she discovered another little item that I'm holding. When the Lord Our Mod modkilled Turak and Faile, I looted Turak's body and discovered a heron-mark sword that makes me immune to thief plays. Between that and the Horn, the only chance that the scum has of getting rid of me is to lynch me during the day. I think this post is the start of an attempt to do that, especially since there are two other votes that are further along than this. I know this will read like OMGUS, but I feel pretty confident in voting Talya.