Wheel of Time Mafia Game Thread

[Myndrunner]

BG thinks that a strategic vote may be a Kwom vote. Bus Drivers are messy creating an environment where nothing can be trusted. Or, since the town knows Kwom is the bus driver, what would be the disadvantage to Kwom giving an accounting of the previous night's actions every morning?

 

Mynd recalls when Mynd asked Kwom why he hadn't brought this information to our attention earlier. Kwom was snotty to Mynd and others, saying that Kwom didn't use his power because Kwom didn't know who to use it on. Kwom was hostile when pressed onto why he would choose to not use this power, saying that it was not anyone's business.

 

Mynd believes that it is very much everyone's business who Kwom has been targeting.

[bgrishinko]

BG thinks that a strategic vote may be a Kwom vote. Bus Drivers are messy creating an environment where nothing can be trusted. Or, since the town knows Kwom is the bus driver, what would be the disadvantage to Kwom giving an accounting of the previous night's actions every morning?

 

Mynd recalls when Mynd asked Kwom why he hadn't brought this information to our attention earlier. Kwom was snotty to Mynd and others, saying that Kwom didn't use his power because Kwom didn't know who to use it on. Kwom was hostile when pressed onto why he would choose to not use this power, saying that it was not anyone's business.

 

Mynd believes that it is very much everyone's business who Kwom has been targeting.

 

Mynd began to speak BG's language. BG could give Mynd something to make it permanent, if he wished.

[aemonkristen]

Due to their rather esoteric posting habits, I've been wary of both mcs and TMD through the whole game, but I haven't been able to come up with a case for either of them because they were both incredibly silent. I'm glad to see that Krak is at least being more active.

 

Keep trying to distract us from Krak 2.0, Quibby. Keep it up.

 

Who was it that Krak replaced? Virtuhall? If you re-read the first few lynches knowing that Amadine is scum, you might have a new insight as to Krak 2.0's alignment.

 

Aemon, it doesn't make sense to me either. I find it very hard to believe that you are a naive finder. Are you sure that when you submitted your findings that it was on the person you tried to target? Bus-drivers among other players can misdirect and if they know you are the finder, the likely would have targeted you all game with a player who they know is innocent.

 

I have never been told that my reading was switched to someone else, but neither have I asked. I should probably do that.

[Myndrunner]

Due to their rather esoteric posting habits, I've been wary of both mcs and TMD through the whole game, but I haven't been able to come up with a case for either of them because they were both incredibly silent. I'm glad to see that Krak is at least being more active.

 

Keep trying to distract us from Krak 2.0, Quibby. Keep it up.

 

Who was it that Krak replaced? Virtuhall? If you re-read the first few lynches knowing that Amadine is scum, you might have a new insight as to Krak 2.0's alignment.

 

Aemon, it doesn't make sense to me either. I find it very hard to believe that you are a naive finder. Are you sure that when you submitted your findings that it was on the person you tried to target? Bus-drivers among other players can misdirect and if they know you are the finder, the likely would have targeted you all game with a player who they know is innocent.

 

I have never been told that my reading was switched to someone else, but neither have I asked. I should probably do that.

 

Enjoy the PAFO when you get it!

[Kwom Masbag]

Kwom doesn't recall having this "snooty agressive" response to Mynd, and Kwom would very much like to see the relevant posts quoted for posterity's sake.

 

Kwom would also like to point out that bus driving Aemon would only work if Kwom already knew who Aemon's targets were. Bus Driving affects the results of the night action, not the person using the night action.

[Myndrunner]

Kwom doesn't recall having this "snooty agressive" response to Mynd, and Kwom would very much like to see the relevant posts quoted for posterity's sake.

 

Kwom would also like to point out that bus driving Aemon would only work if Kwom already knew who Aemon's targets were. Bus Driving affects the results of the night action, not the person using the night action.

So, if you bus-drove onto an innocent, then you could easily skew Aemon's findings, correct?

 

For posterity, who did you use your powers on each night, starting from Night 1?

 

Also, Aemon, I have a possible solution to multiple claims that might clear up our woes.

[WWWwombat]

Loial walked down the hallway, writing in his journal. He needed to get more time with Rand to get the whole story down. He was so focused on his work that he didn't see the figure at the end of the hallway until he was right in front of him.

 

"Hello alantin."

 

"Do I know you?"

 

"I am Elan Morin Tedronai. Men have named me Ishamael."

 

Loail's mouth dropped open. He didn't manage to get any words out before Ishamael thrust a smoking staff into his chest.

 

"Farewell, alantin."

 

 

ThorkinBarrimore, Loial son of Arent son of Halan, Vanilla Townie has been nightkilled.

 

It is now Day 8. You have until Thursday at 11 AM ET to lynch someone. With 20 alive, it takes 11 to lynch.

[killuliu]

I find these nightkills kind of odd. We have presumably no healers left, but still mafia does "safe" nightkills. Maybe they know something we don't know?

 

And Mynd: Yes, Krak's reply was an interesting one. At the moment pretty high on my list of suspicious people are the Mason team and still Drew (have been for a couple of days now). I could probably add Krak to that list now, though he isn't that suspicious.

[Moon Sedai]

Kwom doesn't recall having this "snooty agressive" response to Mynd, and Kwom would very much like to see the relevant posts quoted for posterity's sake.

 

Kwom would also like to point out that bus driving Aemon would only work if Kwom already knew who Aemon's targets were. Bus Driving affects the results of the night action, not the person using the night action.

Oh great, has Kwom caught a BG Virus?

[Myndrunner]

Anyone else fine with a Krak 2.0 lynch today?

[Moon Sedai]

Anyone else fine with a Krak 2.0 lynch today?

 

 

I could get behind a Krak 2.0 Lynch today.

 

How can you forget you're playing a different person or even care about your earlier actions in the first personality?

[Krakalakachkn]

good lord it was a simple mistake.

 

 

Vote Mynd with my reasoning from yesterday in effect.

[Myndrunner]

good lord it was a simple mistake.

 

 

Vote Mynd with my reasoning from yesterday in effect.

 

Do you remember what those reasons were? Are you sure they were not your reasons when you were Krak 1.0?

[alannalynn]

Krak 2.0 was previously TMD, so I'll put my support there if needed.

 

I found the sarcastic back and forth using BG's PR rather amusing actually, until Kwom came in, then it was HILARIOUS.

 

May I suggest that, since Kwom isn't doing anything for the town and hasn't done anything for the town, meaning he's a little useless, that we lynch him instead and find his alignment?? Or is that too far fetched for you guys?

[killuliu]

May I suggest that, since Kwom isn't doing anything for the town and hasn't done anything for the town, meaning he's a little useless, that we lynch him instead and find his alignment?? Or is that too far fetched for you guys?

 

Well honestly it couldn't do much harm (but that can be said of several of us!), and could in fact help us even a little (after all, bus driver can be pretty harmful for the town), but at the moment Krak seems a good lynch also (forget it was TMD (who was already a tad fishy) before Krak took over).

[Talya]

AJ beat me too it...about Krak taking over from TMD.

 

I'm happy to go with this. I would have been happy to go with Kwon too, I don't like that role, but if he hasn't been using it, then that would be in favour of the town. As someone said, we don't have a healer, but this is a large game, who is to say that there aren't other similar roles out there and the mafia could be just playing it safe. Besides, Maybd attracts votes and if Aemon is naive they have nothing to fear keeping him, in fact it helps them a little bit!

 

So VOTE KRAK

[Quibby]

good lord it was a simple mistake.

 

 

Vote Mynd with my reasoning from yesterday in effect.

 

I was hoping to hear from you on this. I didn't have to make a very convincing argument to get you on board a Mynd lynch yesterday. In fact, my argument never really held water at all when others started picking it apart. However, you jumped right on board with it until the Amadine lynch was all but guaranteed. (To clarify, I threw out the Mynd vote in order to see who else would bite on it, what with Mynd being the most active caser and all that.)

 

Now, I will be casting my vote for Krak, but I think we've all been rushing towards lynches too often, so I'm going to hold off on it for a little bit in order to actually hear more arguments and cases. The general rule for us seems to have been that rushing to lynch ends poorly for the town.

[Krakalakachkn]

and it's happened multiple times thanks to Mynd

[Verbal32]

Ha, I'm not worried, I'm just asking a question. I understand that mafia would want to jump on the end of an obvious lynch, but look, we just had another mafia lynch. Maybe let's take all three mafia lynches, see if there are some names that are at the end of each, maybe not on one or two at all. I probably don't have time to do that tonight, but I will tomorrow.

 

And for those of you casting suspicion on my Miller claim, if I were scum, what would be the point of a Miller claim after Aemon found me innocent? Wouldn't it be smarter to stay hidden and let everyone think Aemon was a real finder?

 

This makes sense to me, and I believe Drew on it.

 

 

I don't remember why I wasn't on the Blackhoof lynch. That might have been when I was in Kentucky and had limited access. I'll check and see if I can figure anything out. Anyone know the page he died on?

 

At the time of Black's lynch, Krak were Lan Mandragon, townie. Why is he worried about why he didn't vote for Black when he is now in a new role. Krak has been playing the game a lot differently since he has slipped into his new role and I think signs of paranoia like that quoted above are a sure sign that Krak 2.0 is MAFIA SCUM McMafiason!

 

I agree with Mynd here. Vote: Krak

[Myndrunner]

and it's happened multiple times thanks to Mynd

It seems to be the common argument from the mafia that I am somehow leading everyone on lynches of innocents. Again, this is essentially saying that every other player in the game cannot make up their own mind and vote the way they see it. It's funny how Krak's reason for voting me before was simply "yeah, I agree with what Quibby said" but now Quibby has turned, so he's left with the sourest of grapes.

 

So, Krak, which is it? If I am leading everyone on these lynches, how does Blackhoof and Amadine sound for cases? Exactly, its ridiculous for me to take credit for those as much as it is ridiculous to pin the innocent lynches on any one person.

 

Also, not that I am trying to rush this lynch, I agree that we should use all the time we have to gain information; however, have you noticed that the mafia lynches tend to go slower than others? It's like they have to debate whether or not to sacrifice one of their own for the benefit of the team.

[Myndrunner]

I have an idea, imperfect that it is, but an idea that might just help settle things. Aemon, target Drew again tonight. Let's see if you get a better reading after Krak is gone.

[Krakalakachkn]

What do you want me to say, Mynd? I can say I'm not mafia until I'm lynched and it's proven, but that won't do anyone any good.

 

I agreed with Quibby because I thought you were the best lynch. And I'm wondering why nobody looked closer at him withdrawing and leaving me screwed? It was a great play. Sounds like he's distancing himself from me. I want to take a closer look at Quibby now.

 

Also, why would me being dead make Aemon somehow un-naive?

[Myndrunner]

What do you want me to say, Mynd? I can say I'm not mafia until I'm lynched and it's proven, but that won't do anyone any good.

 

I agreed with Quibby because I thought you were the best lynch. And I'm wondering why nobody looked closer at him withdrawing and leaving me screwed? It was a great play. Sounds like he's distancing himself from me. I want to take a closer look at Quibby now.

 

Also, why would me being dead make Aemon somehow un-naive?

 

Quibby distancing himself from you and you flip innocent? Doesn't look good for Quibby upon your coroner report.

 

Quibby distancing himself from you and you flip scum? Looks good for Quibby upon your coroner report.

 

The only time I have ever seen distancing oneself from another as scummy is when both players are scum.

[Quibby]

and it's happened multiple times thanks to Mynd

It seems to be the common argument from the mafia that I am somehow leading everyone on lynches of innocents. Again, this is essentially saying that every other player in the game cannot make up their own mind and vote the way they see it. It's funny how Krak's reason for voting me before was simply "yeah, I agree with what Quibby said" but now Quibby has turned, so he's left with the sourest of grapes.

 

So, Krak, which is it? If I am leading everyone on these lynches, how does Blackhoof and Amadine sound for cases? Exactly, its ridiculous for me to take credit for those as much as it is ridiculous to pin the innocent lynches on any one person.

 

Also, not that I am trying to rush this lynch, I agree that we should use all the time we have to gain information; however, have you noticed that the mafia lynches tend to go slower than others? It's like they have to debate whether or not to sacrifice one of their own for the benefit of the team.

 

I honestly don't think we can use yesterday's Amadine lynch as a guide for our future lynches because she was quite thoroughly busted the night before; even the scum team would know that, and I suspect that they would have readily thrown her under the tires. That's part of the reason why I voted for Mynd instead of her right away: I wanted to see if I could give the scum an excuse to go after somebody else.

 

Only Krak bit.

 

I would like to note, Mynd, that leading the charge on a confirmed scum does not necessarily make you town, it just makes you a good politician. For those of you casing me or Mynd later, this is not an accusation.

[Myndrunner]

I would like to note, Mynd, that leading the charge on a confirmed scum does not necessarily make you town, it just makes you a good politician. For those of you casing me or Mynd later, this is not an accusation.

This is also essentially my point about leading lynches. It takes a town to clinch a lynch and anyone who argues that one player leads a lynch on a scum or innocent is flawed. Each player makes his or her own decisions about who to vote for.