Wheel of Time Mafia Game Thread

[Talya]

I can see what you;re thinking Kwon, but keeping the A's around my keep pressure off the mafai, so I can't see them killing him not caring. They would want to keep the A thing up as long as possible in that instant.

[alannalynn]

Well isn't that fracking wonderful?

 

Talya, are you saying that proves I'm godfather or that I'm town? I'm not totally following.

[Talya]

It could prove you were town, but if you were Godfather, the Mafia would want Aust dead, not only because he is finder, but also, because it would make you look town.

 

I knew what I meant, lol. Trying to put it into words isn't so easy.

 

okay, some scenerios.

 

1. You are Town and Aust viewed you and knew that!

2. We don't know as Aust didn't view you but had a feeling you were town (unlikely)

3. You are the Godfather. Aust viewed you and found you innocent (as per role). being the Mafia, from his comments you worked out that he was Finder, because how else would he know the alignment you would have if you were viewed. So kill Aust...gets rid of Finder and would make you look innocent and above reproach.

 

I hope that is clearer AJ.. (for others please put AJ in instead of the word 'you')

[aemonkristen]

Well, now it's proved. I'm naive. No point in even sending in the NA anymore if all I'm going to get is innocent readings. Just for the record, I viewed Curt last night. Guess what the result was?

[Nynaeve]

Oh god, I'm terrible at guessing >.<

 

erm.... is he a blowfish?

 

 

 

 

 

Nyn

[Talya]

no...he was a frog?

[bgrishinko]

Well, now it's proved. I'm naive. No point in even sending in the NA anymore if all I'm going to get is innocent readings. Just for the record, I viewed Curt last night. Guess what the result was?

 

Bg wondered whether Vam being neutral would show as Town or not on a viewing. Did a normal full finder see people as neutral? Either way, Bg thought that maybe we should re-open lynch Mynd discussions based upon the Aemon's probable naiveness.

[Myndrunner]

Ok, a couple things. First, last night I blocked Drew. If no one is under compulsion or silenced, then we likely have ourselves a mafia. Although the kill went through, it doesn't mean I blocked the one doing the killing.

 

I'm having difficulty with the whole Aemon being a naive finder. Sure, he claimed to have viewed Vam as innocent, but Vam's power was a Framer. Mine is that of a powerblocker. It doesn't make sense that both Vam and I would have such strong powers and yet Aemon's is useless. Aemon, were you sure that the innocent reading you got on Vam was actually on Vam and not redirected to someone else?

 

I think it is important to note that what was said earlier about the mafia targeting an A-list player so that it would discredit what I was told. I thought about the possibility that perhaps the Snakes meant Asmodean, a character name instead of a player, but upon review of my pm, the Snakes clearly meant a player. My guess is the mafia figured we would all come to the same conclusion in that if they nk'd an A player, it would stop us from continuing our search. I take this as a sign that we are close.

 

Have we found our compulsion victim for the day yet?

[hotpocket2006]

I think kwom should tell us who he's been targeting. He's already outted and it may shed some light. Sorry if I missed if u already have said Kwom, but I have a hard time believing that yours is a town power. Also they way you used it N1 was pretty reckless.

[Kwom Masbag]

Problem with your theory of redirection on Vamb; I haven't bussed him. I suppose there might be another redirector, though....

[Kwom Masbag]

Sorry to disappoint, Song, but I haven't actually bussed anybody for the last few nights. The deadline to submit NA's came sooner than I had thought. >_>

[CurtisScafe]

Who says it is naive because he say Vam as innocent. Technically he is since he is neutral. He wasnt bad or good, he was just trying not to die

[hotpocket2006]

Yes but then he wouldn't have come back innocent, he would've come up neutral. Neutrals aren't innocent. They can win with either. So either Aemon is lying, he was misdirected, or he's naive.

 

Also keep in mind Aemon hasn't been proven innocent (unless I missed where he has). He could be making his findings up *shrugs* Now that we are reasonably sure that Moonv2 is Rand, then that means that Aemon is indeed a false dragon. He also fits the A theme. Just something to think on as it seems people have stopped questioning his loyalty.

 

Also Kwom either you're lying or you are totally neglecting this game and that sucks as if you are town you have a useful power. You should've given up the game if you weren't paying attention to it.

[Myndrunner]

Yes but then he wouldn't have come back innocent, he would've come up neutral. Neutrals aren't innocent. They can win with either. So either Aemon is lying, he was misdirected, or he's naive.

Would Aemon being Logain fit him as a naive finder? It just doesn't make sense. Also, it is interesting that Vam flipped neutral in that I clearly win when dangers and such from the village are on their way to the big adios. I don't think Aemon is naive....so either he was misdrected or his pants are en fuego!

 

Also Kwom either you're lying or you are totally neglecting this game and that sucks as if you are town you have a useful power. You should've given up the game if you weren't paying attention to it.

^^^ This!

 

Dude, I find it interesting that you speak up now, but not so much since Songs 1.0 outed you. Quasi actives = scum in my book and I'm getting a big wiff from you. Kwom Masbag ,...until he can convince me otherwise.

[trench]

I think naive finder could fit for Logain. He was wrong about himself being the Dragon. But to be given a naive role after claiming as the dragon doesn't fit IMO.

[bgrishinko]

Yes but then he wouldn't have come back innocent, he would've come up neutral. Neutrals aren't innocent. They can win with either. So either Aemon is lying, he was misdirected, or he's naive.

 

Also keep in mind Aemon hasn't been proven innocent (unless I missed where he has). He could be making his findings up *shrugs* Now that we are reasonably sure that Moonv2 is Rand, then that means that Aemon is indeed a false dragon. He also fits the A theme. Just something to think on as it seems people have stopped questioning his loyalty.

 

 

Bgrishinko remembered presenting a case for Aemon's innocence after Song1.0 was killed, using her as proof in Aemon's innocence. Although Song2.0 was not the same person and likely did not see BG's post... BG thought it odd, that using that same logic, Song2.0 would not have thought of the same evidence.

BG had debated when to share this information, but now feels that it can only help the town to reveal what he had uncovered. As the last night's dawn came and Perrin was found dead, few were nearby when the deed was committed. Bgrishinko just happened to be wandering by when he came upon Perrin's body. In the hopes of preventing Darkfriends from looting the precious items that Perrin may have had, BG decided to do it first.

 

Upon Song/Perrin's body, BG found the one and only Vora Sa'angreal. Bgrishinko reminded the town of what had happend previously with this item. Aemon had stolen this item during Night 1. He came forth and talked about it openly explaining it's purpose and uses. Because the Sa'angreal was useless to Aemon he told the town that he was planning on gifting it to someone else that he believed to be innocent and could make good use of it. As he lifted the Sa'angreal, he realized that Aemon must have gifted the item to Perrin. If Aemon were Scum, he would have never gifted this particular item to Song as an innocent.

 

Bgrishinko submitted his proof to the town and hoped that it would be sufficent.

 

As for Mynd, Bgrishinko was indeed suspicious. He decided that despite his continued distrust of blackhoof, Mynd's comments threw themselves to front of his suspicious list and therefore was compelled to UNVOTE and VOTE: MYND

 

While this item would have been somewhat useless to Song1.0/Perrin (read: not a female channeler), Aemon would not have known Song wasn't a female channeler. What he did know was Song has a useful power that he didn't want roleblocked.

[hotpocket2006]

You are.right bg but that doesn't prove his innocence at all. And what's so interesting about questioning? That's what we should be doing, especially now that we know at least one of aemons findings were off.

[Kwom Masbag]

Why am I only speaking up now? Because I was only being questioned by Red a few [irl] days ago. I honestly had nothing to contribute for the past...two weeks or so, was it? The more experienced Mafia players are definitely seeing things that I didn't, and also my few things that I may have contributed seemed rather...pointless. Such as the fact that I have suspicions about the Mason group being the Illuminators. I have no evidence to back that up, and it's only a gut feeling and a tiny bit of relating info between the books and this game. And it's not that I've been neglecting the game; I've actually been caught up pretty much this entire time. It's simply that by the time I've made up my mind about who to bus, the Night phase has suddenly ended. To be honest, I had thought myself to have an extra day to make up my mind each night phase. Pretty much I had figured that it would last until Sunday night-ish, and when it ended Saturday afternoon it left me in an "oops" position. I think I'm about ready to give being a more active role a shot in the game. I'm not quite ready to make casings yet, but perhaps pointing out some small points such as the Mason thing...

[aemonkristen]

I'd just like to admit this as exhibit "A" in my defense.

 

 

 

for me, i do have privileged info, that i understand most of you don't. for instance, i know with 100% certainty that You (Vam) and Aemon are not Rand AlThor and therefore cannot be the true Dragon Reborn. I also have recieved an innocent alignment for Aemon, because i veiwed him with my one time veiwing ability Night 2. i would have done so Night 1, but becuase of my own fault i was unable to. Aemon has also claimed a finders power, and there fore has potentially more damage if we lynch him and he flips town (like most believe he will due to his town like actions on thread).

 

 

Moiraine was worried. How would she protect that boy? She was climbing a servants' stairwell while thinking. All of a sudden, her skirts caught on something and she tripped and fell. She tumbled down the stairs...

 

Later she was found on a landing with her neck broken.

 

Red, Moiraine Damodred, Jack of all Trades (town) has been killed by the Pattern.

 

 

It is now Night 5. You have until Friday morning at 11 AM EDT to submit actions.

 

If we really want to test my finder claim, I say we lynch either Curt or Mynd. Mynd claimed dragon and says he got an ability (roleblocking) for doing so. I don't believe him. There were only two false dragons that were of any importance in the series. Key proclaimed Dragon Reborn and Vam, Mynd and myself all got silenced. I don't trust Mynd to be town, but I did get an innocent read on him.

[CurtisScafe]

I'm still good with a lynch on Mynd

[Nynaeve]

If we really want to test my finder claim, I say we lynch either Curt or Mynd. Mynd claimed dragon and says he got an ability (roleblocking) for doing so. I don't believe him. There were only two false dragons that were of any importance in the series. Key proclaimed Dragon Reborn and Vam, Mynd and myself all got silenced. I don't trust Mynd to be town, but I did get an innocent read on him.

 

Well, you want to prove your finder claim which we're all for... but you're not convinced about Mynd, because you got an innocent read off him. On the other hand, I'm going to assume that the read you got from Curt wasn't town.... otherwise you wouldn't be using him as one of the lynch options to prove you are who you say you are. You didn't outright say what read you got from him but your insinuations say that much... So, personally, I'd rather go for someone who's read is mafia rather than someone who you read as innocent.... but MAYBE isn't. If you are indeed a finder then getting a scum read on someone means he/she is scum... but getting an innocent read is not a complete guarantee, as proven with Varbram (who was neutral).

 

I won't place my vote yet, but right now I'm leaning towards Curt. And I'm still of the mind that quibby has been giving off a scummy vibe for a while now. Did he ever respond to red about the whole messages deal? I'm not going to dwell on this right now... because our focus is elsewhere, but it's something to keep in mind.

 

 

*grabs a chicken bucket and munches* nomnomnom

 

 

 

 

Nyn

[Talya]

I actually got the impression he got town on Curt. If he didn't then Aemon would know he (Aemon) wasn't a naive finder, which seems to be what he thinks. I'm trying to think which books Logain got healed by Nyn. If it was after book 6 then I would say he could well be a naive finder as he had been gentled

 

As for claiming the Dragon Reborn, there are 5 with in the books who have claimed. Gorin Rogad (couldn't channel) claimed three years before Logain, then Logain did, after which there were three others but only Taim out of those could channel. And I could find the other two claimers names. So that makes three. Vam was Taim, Logain we believe is Aemon. Mynd would claim if he thought it would move the game along, or cause disruption depending his alignment.

[Myndrunner]

Wanna know a crazy fact? I don't have a name. Up until now, I didn't think it would matter but this is why I was curious if Vambram knew all along he was Taim, and if Aemon knows he is Logain. I've been scratching my....head...at trying to figure out which one I could be, but then again, I could be Myndrunner the False Dragon. (see list of false dragons)

 

One thing that the observant town-oriented player can say with certainty is that I am quite likely town. Anyone with a thesaurus would have a pretty good idea that my alignment and win condition are true if they have been paying attention.

 

We can put the whole letter A thing aside for now and concentrate on which lynch makes the most sense. Kwom Masbag has disappointed me big time, but if he is mafia, then his inactivity is a bonus to us. If he's innocent, why lynch him? unvote

 

I prefer to go after a more active player who is only reading what he wants to see in posts rather than doing any actual scum casing. He freaked out when he saw his name among 12 others as a list of possible lynches. That kind of overreaction leads me to believe that Curtdragon is not acting like a scum-hunter but more like a scum-huntee.

[Alanna]

I realize Kwom said that he'd missed putting in night actions accidentally, which is not good, but whatever the reason, I disagree that him not using the NA is a huge blow to the town. I've been a townie bus driver before, and it kind of sucks; in the end, I think I ended up hurting the town more than helping. It's like a townie roleblocker; you could end up messing up finders and healers and other important town roles. I'm not saying Kwom shouldn't ever use it, but I do think it's the kind of role to use with caution, and only on players you feel pretty certain about. Better than picking random people to switch about. That just causes chaos and, frankly, is the way mafia would use it.

 

It seems like Aemon is a naive finder, because I doubt that even a neutral would show up as innocent. Unless his finder ability happens to work in a way where he can only find scum, and that it's not about finding particular alignment or something.

[CurtisScafe]

 

I prefer to go after a more active player who is only reading what he wants to see in posts rather than doing any actual scum casing. He freaked out when he saw his name among 12 others as a list of possible lynches. That kind of overreaction leads me to believe that Curtdragon is not acting like a scum-hunter but more like a scum-huntee.

And I'd like to go after someone who actively seeks to hang town.

He may have been viewed innocent but look at how Vamb came up: neutral/framer sounds like exactly what Mynd is

Vote Mynd