Wheel of Time Mafia Game Thread

[Red2111]

the fact that your DV was the reason why we got a lynch on Blackhoof gives you a bit of credit in my eyes. only a bit, ofcourse.

[keyholder21]

That ios confusing for me, but then I'm just getting to grips.

 

As for this 'A' business. So I can see why Aemon is looking innocent, and Adella and Bgr are on a mason team, Alanna was viewed. Why are Aust and AJ and Looking Innocent[b/]?

 

also why can't Vambram, if viewed innocent have a Godfather type role, that would make him viewed innocent, but still be mafia?

 

Agreed.

 

 

Curt, welcome to mafia. If you had bothered to actually read my casing, you would have noticed that the list of people that you were among were the remainders of who I had yet to eliminate as scum. It wasn't me accusing you of anything, just me not pardoning you either. It bothers me tremendously that you don't see this because mafia already know who is innocent and who is not and therefore do not need to case anyone. Overreaction that it was, I am more concerned that you objected to my process like a scumbag would do.

 

What? I think that’s a completely unreasonable argument. Why –wouldn’t- the mafia make a casing? They want to appear just like everyone else and it’s easy to take someone’s words and make them appear scummy, so why wouldn’t they make casings on innocents and try to get us to lynch each other?

 

Like Aemon, after Keyholder proclaimed to be the Dragon Reborn, I was notified shortly thereafter that I was silenced for the rest of that game day, which was Day 4.

 

Why did you wait so long to tell us?

 

you trying to deny having sent a message to me which got transferred to Aemon reeks tbh. have you sent any more messages and can people confirm that they've recieved messages?

 

I’ve received a few messages. If anyone wants to post on here what they said, I will confirm if I received them.

[DrewRiley]

Was anyone told if their item was stolen or not?

 

I was only told my item was stolen once I tried to gift it to you (twice, two items). I don't think I would have known otherwise unless I had tried to use it, but I can't be sure.

 

I don't think everyone Aemon viewed is innocent, just because if they're all innocent then I have no idea who is scum. I think that if there is a Godfather role, it's Mynd - he's led the lynch on an innocent (Ahmoondah), has was one of the first to vote for another innocent (Player), and he's generally leading town by the nose again.

 

I'm willing to believe Aemon, a False Dragon, has a False power as well, aka he's a naive finder, but I find it less likely than the first scenario. But it's still an option.

 

My vote's on Vambram, and I think I'm going to keep it there until something more compelling happens. Right now Quibby has some serious questions to answer.

[Nynaeve]

I'm not really for continuing with the A lead at the moment. I will support it to achieve a majority if need be, but it might very well lead to a repeat of the previous day. I think it's best to keep this tip in mind but not base our vote on that alone every day. We need to dig more.

 

As for Vambram, it's possible the viewing on him doesn't reflect his true alliance, but the same could be said about the other viewings as well. I understand that some of you perceive him as scummy hence bringing up this possibility...but we might as well second guess every viewing information we are given. I'm not saying it's not possible, just that perhaps we should thrive for more than a hunch.

 

So far the thing that pings me the most is the following:

 

The message he received from me? I didn't send it. Him trying to pin it on me reeks.

 

Quibby, your contradicting yourself. on Day 2 you admitted to sending a message to me that we know got redirected to Aemon. we also know that Aemon got 2 messages that day. you also said that due to the nature of your role, that you believe scum might have the ability to traverse T'A'R and send messages as well.

 

you also denied to admit which message you sent because you believed it would implicate you in some way (i know this cause i'm the one who asked uyou on thread if you could tell which message you sent)

 

you trying to deny having sent a message to me which got transferred to Aemon reeks tbh. have you sent any more messages and can people confirm that they've recieved messages?

 

 

I'd very much like to hear Quibby's response and see if other people can indeed confirm this.

 

 

 

 

Nyn

[Red2111]

before anyone else confimrs or denys having messages sent to them; i think it's best if Quibby tells us who he sent them to before; and then they confirm that they recieved one, not what they recieved just that they did recieve a message. otherwise Quibby has a nice list already made for him if he is lieing. the fact that he outted himself Day 2 for fear of beign on Perrin's list gives him a little more credit; but now that it appears he's denying having sent a message at all i'm weary of him.

 

 

also, kwom our little bus drive that cause so much confusion on Day 2. i hate the fact that you've been so silent recently. care to chime in at any time?? your power could be scum or town, and using me & Aemon as targets has benefits for both sides.

 

 

 

i'm good with a Vam or Mynd lynch. i agree that a GF role would fit Taim up to book 6, heck he might even be just a solo suvivor *shrugs* out of the two though, Mynd has given me more reason on thread to suspect him.

 

 

like why did he only ask 1 question to the snakes/foxes when your allowed 3. and what did he have to give up get the answers he recieved. also, i don't buy the semi-Mat hint either that people have assumed he tried to somewhat hint at by saying he visited the snakes.

[Verbal32]

Day 5 is confusing. I just did a reread of the last 2 days and I honestly can't make heads or tails of whats going on.

 

Im gonna stick with my original idea of voting Vambram. My initial read was scum, so im have to stick with my gut. His lynch still povides us answers if I am wrong. We can confirm Aemon's finder abilities as either naive or just a regular finder.

 

The starts with "A" info still seems unreliable with nothing better to go on. All I know is day 5 has blown the top of my head off. So when in doubt, I go with my gut.

 

Vote Vambram

 

Only if Vam flipped scum. If he flipped town, Aemon could be either normal or naive. Besides, I don't think there are sanity finders in this game - just a hunch.

[Myndrunner]

Beware of people blaming only one person for lynching innocents. Last time I checked, it takes more than one vote to achieve a lynch and to say that I am leading anyone anywhere is to assume that everyone else is too incompetent to make up their own minds.

 

We cannot afford to grasp at straws now after we have come so far. All I can say is that I have given what I stole from Vambram to the one player I can trust the most right now.

 

The mafia is not one person, it is a team. My alignment has remained with the town and to get rid of all dangers to it. I can understand your mistrust of me, no one should trust anyone but themselves in this game. It would be incredibly foolish to trust anyone else. I am not a solo win player, but even if I were, why are we worried about one player when we should be worried about an entire scum team.

 

If we want to go with the A's thing, let's lynch Amadine. If she's innocent, then we should start looking at those A players who have been somewhat deemed likely innocent.

 

If we want to lynch Vambram, that might not be a bad idea to at least settle this whole False Dragon business.

 

...but unlike my accusers, I am leading no one in this. I am merely presenting options. That's all I have been doing.

[Verbal32]

...but unlike my accusers, I am leading no one in this. I am merely presenting options. That's all I have been doing.

 

Correction: that's what you are doing now. Before, you were leading the charge. Like I said, a mid-game style shift.

[hotpocket2006]

Has Vambram claimed any powers since he claimed the DR? I can't remember and I don't want to go back. I wouldn't mind lynching Vambram either. One it will clear some of the DR business and two it will clear up Aemons finding ability, though I don't think I doubt Aemons findings. The other person I wouldn't mind lynching Curt. He says he didn't want to announce that he stole the voting ability, yet he announces it very clearly with his vote on Mynd. That makes no sense.

 

I also agree with key on the whole mafia casing thing. Sure the mafia already know who is innocent, but I know as mafia you want to look as town as possible and I have made very solid casings and led many lynchings when I have been mafia.

[Myndrunner]

...but unlike my accusers, I am leading no one in this. I am merely presenting options. That's all I have been doing.

 

Correction: that's what you are doing now. Before, you were leading the charge. Like I said, a mid-game style shift.

 

Said the guy who wanted us to lynch all of the inactives.

[Aust]

 

also, kwom our little bus drive that cause so much confusion on Day 2. i hate the fact that you've been so silent recently. care to chime in at any time?? your power could be scum or town, and using me & Aemon as targets has benefits for both sides.

 

 

This I agree with 100%. I'd also be interested in where you've been using your ability kwom.

 

 

Tell us honestly Mynd - did you just make up the letter A business?

[Vambram]

 

 

Was anyone told if their item was stolen or not?

 

also, the reason why i say no offense is because a mafia newbie who happened to be scum got offended when i said his posts sounded like they were being coached *snuggles Moon* as for whether or not you'd tell peopel you were a newb if you are on a scum team, depends on if you thought it woudl gain you an advantage. right now, i see you as trying to use your newness to the game as an excuse for how scummy your acting; which is a technique i've seen newbie scum use. i'm not saying you must be scum for it, just telling you it does nothign to clear your innocence with me atleast.

 

 

Red, you could not be more wrong about me if you tried. I don't know where you feel like you have any knowledge at all about me to get a scummy feeling about me. From the very beginning of my posting in this thread, you have been reading waaaaay too much into my posts as well as into the posts of others. I suppose people being dishonest with one another Might Be standard operating procedure for some people in Mafia games. But I am NOT being Dishonest, .. nor have I EVER at one time in this thread been dishonest. So, if that means I am being scummy to you, Red, then there is nothing at all that I can do to change your mind.

[Vambram]

That ios confusing for me, but then I'm just getting to grips.

 

As for this 'A' business. So I can see why Aemon is looking innocent, and Adella and Bgr are on a mason team, Alanna was viewed. Why are Aust and AJ and Looking Innocent[b/]?

 

also why can't Vambram, if viewed innocent have a Godfather type role, that would make him viewed innocent, but still be mafia?

 

Agreed.

 

 

Curt, welcome to mafia. If you had bothered to actually read my casing, you would have noticed that the list of people that you were among were the remainders of who I had yet to eliminate as scum. It wasn't me accusing you of anything, just me not pardoning you either. It bothers me tremendously that you don't see this because mafia already know who is innocent and who is not and therefore do not need to case anyone. Overreaction that it was, I am more concerned that you objected to my process like a scumbag would do.

 

What? I think that’s a completely unreasonable argument. Why –wouldn’t- the mafia make a casing? They want to appear just like everyone else and it’s easy to take someone’s words and make them appear scummy, so why wouldn’t they make casings on innocents and try to get us to lynch each other?

 

Like Aemon, after Keyholder proclaimed to be the Dragon Reborn, I was notified shortly thereafter that I was silenced for the rest of that game day, which was Day 4.

 

Why did you wait so long to tell us?

 

 

 

I promise you that I am not a Godfather type.

 

As for why did I wait to tell everyone that I had been silenced? .. I did so as soon as I could, after I had noticed that Aemon posted and admitted that he had been silenced on Day 4 after you proclaimed yourself the Dragon Reborn. If that is considered waiting a long time, then I apologise.

[dapianoplay3r]

I dont think Taim would be mafia. A symp is what I think he is

[Vambram]

I dont think Taim would be mafia. A symp is what I think he is

 

What is a symp?

[hotpocket2006]

A symp knows who the mafia is and wins with the mafia, but the mafia doesn't know who the person it. It's a very complex role and seems very tricky.

[dapianoplay3r]

Ive played it once in the narnia game and I was terrible. I got randomly killed and gave away like half the mafia.

Thats what i think Taim would be though. So I suggest watching very closely who he interacts with

[bgrishinko]

Bgrishinko wondered how a symp would be viewed by a finder.

[dapianoplay3r]

I guess mafia/scum. So there goes my theory

[Amadine]

*slids in sideways* hey guys! Life is kicking my arse at the moment :/

 

I'm not buying Mynd's A thing - and i don't just say that because i am an A. If you think it will help go ahead and lynch me, but i think we should be looking more at those whose posting styles are contradictory, Quibs, Curt, Vam and BG are my top interests at the moment. BG is the one that makes me go hhmmmm the most. His hero move of removing trench's PR by stealing his item still is not sitting right with me.

[alannalynn]

Bgrishinko wondered how a symp would be viewed by a finder.

 

 

I guess mafia/scum. So there goes my theory

Technically symps are town, and I believe they're viewed as innocent. They're SYMPathetic to the mafia

[Red2111]

AJ is right about the symp; even if Vam is a symp then it's stille best to get rid of him imo. they can be about as bad as jesters.

 

Mynd - you ignored my qeustion about the snakes. doing so cause you have to think up a believable answer??

 

Quibby - your silience is damning, we know you weren't silenced like Aust as you've posted today; and Mynd, Aemon & Vam were only silenced after Key claimed and you haven't claimed to be Dragon in this thread. care to explain yourself before i start pushing for your lynch based on your tight lippedness

 

Kwom - your silence since Day 2 is not looking good as well. are you neglecting the game or have you been silenced?

 

 

...but unlike my accusers, I am leading no one in this. I am merely presenting options. That's all I have been doing.

 

Correction: that's what you are doing now. Before, you were leading the charge. Like I said, a mid-game style shift.

 

exactly. not to mention he's startign back up on the A thing; after people have pointed out how odd it was he didn't keep on it come morning.

 

 

Red, you could not be more wrong about me if you tried. I don't know where you feel like you have any knowledge at all about me to get a scummy feeling about me. From the very beginning of my posting in this thread, you have been reading waaaaay too much into my posts as well as into the posts of others. I suppose people being dishonest with one another Might Be standard operating procedure for some people in Mafia games. But I am NOT being Dishonest, .. nor have I EVER at one time in this thread been dishonest. So, if that means I am being scummy to you, Red, then there is nothing at all that I can do to change your mind.

 

in a way i do have knowledge about you given my knowledge of the game that others don't have. for instance there are the known facts. there have been 3 serious claims for Dragon: Aemon, You, & Key. i'm not counting Mynd becuase he stated "i'm claiming to see what will happen" the three i've listed have professed that they are in fact the real Dragon. this everyone knows by reading the thread. we all also know that in the series there were only 2 Dragons to claim between books 1 & 6 other than Rand. Mazrim Taim & Logain; one is a good guy and likely to be innocent, the other is a bad guy and not likely to have the towns best interest at heart.

 

 

for me, i do have privileged info, that i understand most of you don't. for instance, i know with 100% certainty that You (Vam) and Aemon are not Rand AlThor and therefore cannot be the true Dragon Reborn. I also have recieved an innocent alignment for Aemon, because i veiwed him with my one time veiwing ability Night 2. i would have done so Night 1, but becuase of my own fault i was unable to. Aemon has also claimed a finders power, and there fore has potentially more damage if we lynch him and he flips town (like most believe he will due to his town like actions on thread).

 

given the probablility that one of you (Aemon or Vam) is likely Taim and a Darkfriend; most of us feel that lynching the less useful more scummier of the two will provide not only alot of info, but will also help solve this Dragon delima once and for all (which will provide info within itself) also, Lynching you will either prove or disprove Aemon's findings to a point; for instance if you do flip Scum then we will now that Aemon's findings are either Naive (always recieve innocent) or Insane (recieves opposite allignment).

 

 

 

reading into posts is how i find scum, i'm an analyst by nature and it's how i play the game. some times i'm able to catch scum, other times not; no one is perfect. as for dishonest, really i can only take your words of "i'm honest" at face value until your corner report. same with Mynd. in this game, you have a team of individuals whose purpose i is to manipulate the game aroudn them to win; these people are known as the Mafia/Scum/ or in this case Darkfriends & the Forsaken. they use any tactic they can to win and get innocents lynched; this includes implicating others, casing innocents, and being LLL's. so when someoen says "i'm telling the truth, trust me" i tend to become even more skeptical of them, everyone knows in this game your guilty until proven innocent by the corner report.

[Verbal32]

...but unlike my accusers, I am leading no one in this. I am merely presenting options. That's all I have been doing.

 

Correction: that's what you are doing now. Before, you were leading the charge. Like I said, a mid-game style shift.

 

Said the guy who wanted us to lynch all of the inactives.

 

Apples and oranges. I'm always up for lynching inactive players. As a mod, I'm surprised you're against it.

 

 

 

A symp knows who the mafia is and wins with the mafia, but the mafia doesn't know who the person it. It's a very complex role and seems very tricky.

 

For me, it's the hardest role to play. I love it, but really difficult.

 

 

 

Bgrishinko wondered how a symp would be viewed by a finder.

 

 

I guess mafia/scum. So there goes my theory

Technically symps are town, and I believe they're viewed as innocent. They're SYMPathetic to the mafia

 

AJ is correct - a symp is part of the town that wins with the mafia. They view as town.

[DrewRiley]

Deadline is less than four hours away. I think non-voters need to make up their minds very soon so we can have a controlled lynch.

[Red2111]

Vote Count

 

Quibby (1): bg

Vambram (3): drew, krak, Nae

Amadine (3): Aust, Song, Vambram

Mynd (2): CurtDragon

CurtDragon (1): Quibby

 

With 28 alive, it takes 15 to lynch. Deadline is Wednesday at 3 PM EDT

 

i think this is the last Vote Count

 

Vote: Vam in the interest of a controlled lynch, he;d give us the most info imo, and because i'm more comfy with a vote on him than following this "A = Mafia" theory we've got.