Wheel of Time Mafia Game Thread

[Naeann]

I feel more comfortable with the Vambram lynch. It's a fairly safe bet at this point that even if Aemon isn't the true Dragon reborn that he is likely the better of the two false ones. I don't recall having played a game with him before so I don't know how new he is but he HAS been acting suspicious for awhile.

[Naeann]

Sorry... to clarify.. by the him in my last sentance I meant Vambram not Aemon.

[Red2111]

Mynd - following your logic (which i agree with) about scum being on Vams first lynch. heres a list of those who were on it at some point yesturday. al but you switched their vote to Black.

 

btw, before i put the list, you've ignored my question towards you concerning yesturdays lynch. how come you didn't unvote before voting for Black? i'm more inclined to believe your innocence due to Aemon, but its an uneasy inclination.

 

 

Yesturdays Vote (not in order); names in red are those voting for Vam today

 

Vam: Mynd, Verb, Nae, Adella, Drew, Ahmoo

 

 

i can see the sense in a lynch on Vam tbh, so i'm willign to throw my support that way if the town wants to go that way. today is the 4th day, so chances are Rand might proclaim himself and this entire mess with False Dragons will be done (going on the fact that Aemon had to claim before the 4th day)

 

 

with Mynds info of who a scum might be, the only letter A's in Vams lynch (who we all logiclaly believe has a scum in it) are Adella & Ahmoo. seeing as Adella is cleared atm, i can also go for an Ahmoo lynch just as well.

 

theres good logic to support both lynches tbh.

[Verbal32]

First: unvote

 

Second: I'm starting to want to lynch inactives. They aren't helping us reach a majority in a timely manner, nor are they contributing much to the scumhunting. In fact, many are likely holding items that they aren't using. I can understand wanting to go after somebody like Ahmoon based on Mynd's info, but I really want to consolidate the activity in this game.

 

Thoughts?

 

I agree, but I'd rather see them replaced first, as we'd be more likely to kill off a bunch of innocents for only a couple of scum. Doesn't seem like a good trade-off to me.

 

Understood, but the poking of an inactive can sometimes get the rest of them to start playing. THAT would be a good trade-off to me.

 

 

 

And Verb, I am going to pretend to ignore your post about lynching inactives and assume you were compulsed to make such a post. That would be the worst thing the town can do right now.

 

No Compulsion. You know I don't like inactives. And you also know that it's the bane of a mod even more so than the players. This trend needs to be nipped in the bud, and now. Wombat might replace a few, but there's more. And those players that were replaced still added nothing to the game, where more active posting (obviously some people will have solid reasons for not posting that much) will help further the scumhunt.

 

Besides, since when were there no scum hiding in the shadows? ;-)

[DrewRiley]

@Mynd - I'm willing to lynch Ahmoondah if that's what the town wants, but I don't think I'm the only one that thinks a Vambram lynch could be more productive for the reasons I stated above. The "A" lynch has more evidence than the lynch we did on someone from Song's list, I'll give you that.

 

@Red - That's an excellent point about Rand declaring after today. I don't think it will happen today, but that might be a reason to forestall a Vambram lynch, if he's just going to be outed for sure tomorrow.

 

Vambram hasn't posted much today, and I think he's either not available, or he's recently become keen to the fact that he's mafia (Taim might have been brought over mid-game) and he doesn't know what to do because of all the attention on him from his earlier claim.

[hotpocket2006]

Guess who's back biatches! You can't get rid of me that easily!

 

Anyway I have been following the game pretty closely in case I would replace in. I don't like it when people suggest we start in on innactives when it gets close to deadline. Maybe at the start of day when we have time, but not close to the end of day.

 

I am good with a Moon lynch. I don't like her reasonings for just coming in a putting her vote on the major lynch. I think she's scum, but even if she isn't then it wouldn't be a bg loss as she is only half way playing the game. VOTE MOON

[Myndrunner]

Red, I'd love to have an elaborate and intricate reason for why I didn't unvote Vambram; however it really boils down to "OOPS, I forgot to unvote!" Sorry for the confusion, but I didn't even realize didn't count until recently looking back.

 

Verb, why do mafia like to night kill inactives? Because they give us no information. Lynching inactives is a waste of a lynch for that reason alone, but if one or two scum are among the inactives, I would rather keep an inactive mafia player in the game rather than an active one. On top of that, scum are rarely this inactive because they are on a team, and that team doesn't want them to be modkilled so they are a source of encouragement.

 

I've been on a scum team where one of our scum was a flake and we had to constantly remind him to post something to not get modkilled. He would post just enough to avoid kill, and usually it was a vote in the way we wanted. Mafia won't let their fellow scum get modkilled, so I find it very hard to believe that any of the inactives are scum.

[CurtisScafe]

The "for now" is bet-hedging. Further information could prove that both Aemon and Mynd are leading us all along a merry path to destruction. Therefore, we watch, we wait, and for reacting incredibly defensively to a post that was meant to be more of a guide than an indictment, I vote CurtDragon.

So but questioning people that as you said could be leading us to destruction you vote me. That's great logic

 

A couple things of note....

 

Sorry I missed most of today.

 

But from catching up I noticed we have gotten away from Day 3 info and moved into new territory. I have trouble pushing a vote on Ahmoon. Ahmoon's last few posts were a bit scummy I admit but Im not convinced yet.

 

I think we should still be pushing a Vambram vote for his reveal Day 3. Its still the scummiest move I have seen so far.

 

Vote Vambram

 

It doesn't seem like trench actually read why we are building a lynch on Ahmoon. He says he agrees that his last three posts were a bit scummy, but he's not convinced yet, and we should lynch Vambram instead. Does his post read like someone who has been following logic or someone trying to deflect votes off of Ahmoon?

 

Then a few posts later, Drew chimes in...

 

Just catching up, and here are my thoughts:

 

If we lynch an A name (Ahmoondah right now), we have a one-in-four-or-five shot at getting a mafia, based on Aemon and Mynd's lists of who they believe is innocent.

 

If we lynch a random lurker, we have no idea what our odds are, because their is no evidence for or against them, really.

 

I still lean towards a Vambram lynch, because he's either lying and totally scum, or telling the truth and False, and if he's false there's still an excellent chance he's scum. It seems the safest to me.

 

So I'll get behind a Vambram lynch, and I'd reluctantly get behind an Ahmoondah (though she hasn't pinged me at all) or another A lynch, but as frustrating at they are (as I've expressed), I don't want to lynch a lurker.

 

Drew agrees that we have a 1:4 shot at getting mafia, but he wants to go with Vambram instead? Here is the thing about Vambram. Scum would never post anything on purpose to draw attention to themselves, and that's what Vambram did. Let us also not forget that the Vambram lynch was pushed yesterday as an alternative to Blackhoof, who turned out to be scum. If I'm a betting man, and I am, there were scum on that Vambram vote who were totally ok with it.

 

I would like to hear more from Vambram on what he stands to gain by claiming to be the Dragon Reborn when we've already had such a claim.

CurtDragon flipped out when he saw his name on the list of leftovers. Quite an overreaction if you ask me.

 

And Verb, I am going to pretend to ignore your post about lynching inactives and assume you were compulsed to make such a post. That would be the worst thing the town can do right now.

Again asking why these names are on the list is a problem? So it seems everyone has problems with someone asking questions. Sure does look like you are redirecting for the 3rd time

 

Curt the reason why it moved you up higher is because it sounded like you were asking Aemon how he knew those people could be innocent. therefor suggested not really paying full atention to the game and possible skimming.

 

 

if you remembered that he was Finder (as your telling us now) then why woudl you need claification by asking "innocent of what" tbh, he claimed a finding role, therefor his saying someone is innocent cause he viewed them is kinda self explanitory.

 

 

in fact, his entire post on who he veiwed as innocent and thought as innocent was self explanitory as he sited which ones he viewed nd which are just gut feelings for him.

Again, you thanked Aemon for clarification that I asked for but also ignored my reasoning for asking. He did not say he was a finder until after I asked.

If he is a finder why it is OK to say someone is innocent today and not tomorrow? Are people allowed to switch from town to mafia during the game?

[Myndrunner]

@Mynd - I'm willing to lynch Ahmoondah if that's what the town wants, but I don't think I'm the only one that thinks a Vambram lynch could be more productive for the reasons I stated above. The "A" lynch has more evidence than the lynch we did on someone from Song's list, I'll give you that.

Aemon also claimed to be the Dragon Reborn and yet we are not keen on lynching him. Why would we now lynch Vambram simply because he did the exact same thing as Aemon? Besides, I never take what the mafia gives me. Vambram has his reasons for doing what he did and I'd like to know why, but that's not a reason to lynch him.

 

Also, if Rand is gonna show up soon, what would that do to those who falsely claimed to be the Dragon Reborn? The consensus seem to be that it makes them impotent, which make Vambram pretty harmless if that's true.

 

Vambram hasn't posted much today, and I think he's either not available, or he's recently become keen to the fact that he's mafia (Taim might have been brought over mid-game) and he doesn't know what to do because of all the attention on him from his earlier claim.

 

He could conveniently be muted, or in his case, inconveniently muted.

 

Curt, you did more than just ask, as noted by several of us. You seemed to skip over my entire post and laser focused on why your name was on the list. If you are not scum, why are you freaking out? Again, those names are the leftover after eliminating those likely innocent. Remember, NOTHING IS PROVEN in that logic, but we have a long way to go in this game and plenty of time to start proving/disproving claims. It really boils down to probability.....and the scum are likely among those listed, not necessarily you......and not necessarily NOT you either.

[Red2111]

Again, you thanked Aemon for clarification that I asked for but also ignored my reasoning for asking. He did not say he was a finder until after I asked.

If he is a finder why it is OK to say someone is innocent today and not tomorrow? Are people allowed to switch from town to mafia during the game?

 

 

no, Aemon claimed Finder back on Day 1, this is alot of pages before you asked your question.

 

and No, my clarification was for wether the compulser made Aemon say he veiwed Mynd, not what Mynd might be innocent of. so no, we were not asking to clarify the same things. i think we have our 2nd scum after Ahmoo guys *points @ Curt* and Nae still is up on my list too.

 

 

 

Mynd has a point about totally incative versus semi inactive players. scum generally wont be on the totaly inacitve list *points to TMD & the recently replaced Paetric* i have seen an inactive scum before, but again like mynd said they generally post enough to prevent themselves from being MKd.

 

 

 

i thought i saw Vam post today, so that woudl mean he's not silenced; but i can see the benefit for the scum if he was silenced. point is about Vam, if he is Taim then he's most likely scum seeing as how bad of a guy Taim is. this means that eventually it might be best to lynch him just to be safe. maybe i just don'tlike Taim ... maybe it's the fact i think he might be Demandreds pawn in the series; fact is, i don't think Taim will be helpful to the town.

[Quibby]

The "for now" is bet-hedging. Further information could prove that both Aemon and Mynd are leading us all along a merry path to destruction. Therefore, we watch, we wait, and for reacting incredibly defensively to a post that was meant to be more of a guide than an indictment, I vote CurtDragon.

So but questioning people that as you said could be leading us to destruction you vote me. That's great logic

 

No, I'm voting for you because you reacted remarkably adversely to a post that is not an indictment. I'm choosing not to vote for Aemon or Mynd because there's not enough evidence to overturn Aemon's findings.

[Red2111]

list of players; these have posted at least once since Day has started

 

Aust

Ahmoo

Alanna

Aemon

Key

Verb

Red

Adella

Mynd

Song

Drew

Curt

Quibby Nae

BG

Trench

Vam

Killuli

Player

 

 

these people have yet to be heard from today

 

mcs

AJ

Ama

Krak

Kwom

TMD

Locke

Virtuhall

Deadlyfreind

Thorkin

Nyn

 

 

(Thokin & Deadly are in threat of being replaced or MKd)

[WWWwombat]

Vote Count

 

Vambram (4): Ahmoondah, trench, drew, Naeann

Naeann (1): Aust

Ahmoondah(6): Mynd, Aemon, Alanna, Red, killuliu, Song

CurtDragon(1): Quibby

 

16 to lynch

Deadline: Thursday at 2:00 PM EST

[Myndrunner]

I need to post here that I will be taking a Leave of Absence from dragonmount.com and also the internet starting Tuesday afternoon, Missouri time. My wife and I are going to Columbia, Missouri for an appointment I have at the VA Hospital there. I will not be back home until in the evening on Wednesday.

 

Here, Vambram posted after day began and his reasons for since then being absent. We should expect to hear from him tonight I would reckon. Anyone saying that he hasn't been active must not be reading this thread or doing any real casing of him as a suspect, or they would have found what was so easy for me to find just now.

 

Still, I would like to know what he expected would happen if he declared being the Dragon Reborn AND if anything did happen. If Rand is going to declare himself in the same way, I am curious to discover what will happen with Aemon (who we are sure is Logain) and Vambram (who is likely Taim).

[Nynaeve]

Sorry for not checking in yet. Life seems to suck more than usual lately.

 

I'm actually not in a place where I feel comfortable to cast my vote yet. However, I have a long day tomorrow away from the net and I don't want to risk missing the deadline again. So I'm going to go with Ahmoondah. Firstly, because at this point I don't think that Vambram is scum .... so if I had to choose between lynching one of them, I wouldn't go for him. Secondly because there is Mynd's tip of there being scum that starts with the letter A. It's not a guarantee that we'd land a scum with this lynch, but I'm liking the odds a lot better. I also don't quite like ahmoondah's notion of just 'going with the flow'... as opposed to actively seeking out scum. Going with the flow might be acceptable on day one, but we're too far into the game for it to be okay.

 

So, I vote Ahmoondah

 

 

*runs off to water her new tullip - Robert*

 

 

 

 

Nyn

[DrewRiley]

Also, if Rand is gonna show up soon, what would that do to those who falsely claimed to be the Dragon Reborn? The consensus seem to be that it makes them impotent, which make Vambram pretty harmless if that's true.

 

I believe it was Vambram himself who suggested this notion when he cryptically said something to the effect of, "The Pattern only has room for one Dragon Reborn." Is there any other evidence I'm missing to suggest that Aemon and Vambram will lose their power once the real Dragon declares?

 

My central reason for voting Vambram right now is because there are two false dragons in this game, and there are two false dragons in the books. One of the false dragons in the books is a good guy (Logain), one is bad. One of the false dragons in this game has been totally trustworthy so far (Aemon). Am I being too narrow-minded? I might be. Lynching Vambram would tell us not only if he was mafia or town, but also if we can trust the books as a close guide to how this game will pan out or not. That's information that might be useful.

 

I'm really looking for opinions on this because I might be the only one who's thinking this way.

[bgrishinko]

Bgrishinko felt that the Ahmoondah lynch didn't have tons of evidence behind it at first. However, he agrees that a less active scum would need to post just enough to vote with the crowd which seemed to match Ahmoon's posting. Ahmoon also didn't seem to be paying too much attention and would say unhelpful and confusing things because he would miss important pieces of information.

and now i get a feeling of dread knotting in the pit of my stomach with tis single sentence ....

 

I wouldn't put it past the mafia to have someone steal it then NK the theif.

 

huh??

 

I was trying to make sense as to why someone would steal trench's item of rhyming.

I imagine if someone stole the item, then they would be stuck with the rhyming curse as well.

The mafia could have encouraged one of their own to take it, then kill off that member so the rhyming is out of the game.

 

 

But, I promise you, I was really just trying to make sense as to the theft.

His logic is strangely flawed here.

 

 

 

Red, your logic is impeccable.

 

Vote Mynd

Bandwagon.

 

 

 

Unvote

 

If I appear to be bandwagoning, it is only because I'm having a really hard time keeping up with the game.

 

Admitted Bandwagoning, also admits he can't keep up with the game.

 

 

 

I have lost track of all the Reborn Dragons...

 

Who all is claiming it now, and has anyone renounced their claims?

 

I do get the feeling that at least one of them is a Taim/Uber mafia.

 

but they can't all be mafia scum.

 

I don't want to vote for anyone else until I am sure that we have a mafia person.

Again, not paying attention.

 

 

 

Vote count:

 

Blackhoof (16): bg, quibby, red, trench, keyholder, locke, verbal, nae, adella, curtdragon, drew, amadine, alanna, ahmoondah, kwom

Mynd (1): Aemon

Vambram (1): Mynd

 

I will try to write a short scene from my phone.

One of the last to vote for Blackhoof... of course he was one of the last to vote Min as well... so that doesn't say much.

 

 

 

I know I'm not mafia.

This was an entire self contained post. Random.

 

 

 

OKay, here's where I admit a few things.

 

I am really pinched for time at the current moment, and thus, I am not looking over others' posts as carefully as I might.Sadly, this means I rely heavily on others' opinions for my lynch votes.

 

I swear by the light and my hope of salvation and rebirth that I walk in the light, that I am not mafiascum, and have only been trying to avoid a modkill/random lynch by changing my vote, or or may the Creator's face turn away from me forever and darkness consume my soul.

Explains his Bandwagoning, incites a powerful oath that he is not mafia, best way for the town to trust him and protect him.

 

 

 

Bgrishinko sighed in relief to know that the entire party was still alive this morning. He wondered how this strange world they had entered into would affect them all. Would time travel faster here? Would multiple night occur every night? What did it all mean?

 

 

Bg has been talking in 3rd person for a while. . . like he's under a compulsion or has an item that makes him do so. Or he stole Trench's rhymy thing and instead of rhyming he must talk in third person. .. However. . . This is not enough to ping him for me.

 

 

But, because I still believe that he's scum, Vote Vambram

I know this thread is long, but really, it hasn't been moving as fast and you still missed this?? -_- *headdesk*

 

 

Red, you make good points, and for my part, I really did think Vam seemed more scummy than Black, but wanted a controlled lynch, so decided to consolidate votes, as we could re-address the Vam-issue today, as we have more time.

 

 

Also, SWEET, good job for the Healer!

 

 

Again... not paying attention.

 

As such, Bgrishinko, while not really convinced of his scuminess under normal circumstance feels that Ahmoon's lack of following the game close enough has been creating distractions and confusion. He feels justified in VOTING AHMOON even if moon was town, as he has not been helpful at all.

[Moon Sedai]

First of all, I am a woman, a Girl. Chica, femme, Frau, Madame, Senora. Hear me Rawr!

 

Second, because of the character I have, I have been trying to play my part. The part I have is one that I think would STRONGLY consider the advice of others instead of thinking for themselves completely. It would be in the character's best interest to seek out advice and listen to what others have to say.

 

Third of all, if it appears that I am not paying attention, or lack enthusiasm, it is because I am a graduate student, who is working on trying to finish a Master's Capstone and get acceptance into a Doctoral program. I have, in the last week, read 4 books, written 5 pages towards two papers, and spent 36 hours of research towards finishing those same two research papers. Along with trying to find a job so that I have money coming in to be able to afford the previously mentioned Doctoral program.

 

Forgive me if I don't have a whole lot of free time devoted to discerning and tearing apart this game. I signed on to play the game, and I have been playing as I feel able to do so in the area I have been so assigned. Even if voting for me removes my helpfulness, there have been far more townies, like myself, removed than mafia, and I am at least one non-mafia against the mafia numbers.

The mafia wins if there are more scum than town. By killing off townies like me, even if I don't seem to be paying attention, you are handing mafia a victory.

[Amadine]

Unfortunately work has been a mad house dor the last week or so. Hence the reason for me being unusually quiet. Ive been trying to sneak in for a read on my phone at work but its not really a good example for my staff LMAO

 

That said i could agree to a Vam or a Curt lynch for the reasons that have been previously outlined but i think Mynd's A lynch makes the most sense despite the fact i am an A also :s so for now i will

 

VOTE MOON

 

Who by the way is a she not a he.

[killuliu]

I believe it was Vambram himself who suggested this notion when he cryptically said something to the effect of, "The Pattern only has room for one Dragon Reborn." Is there any other evidence I'm missing to suggest that Aemon and Vambram will lose their power once the real Dragon declares?

 

My central reason for voting Vambram right now is because there are two false dragons in this game, and there are two false dragons in the books. One of the false dragons in the books is a good guy (Logain), one is bad. One of the false dragons in this game has been totally trustworthy so far (Aemon). Am I being too narrow-minded? I might be. Lynching Vambram would tell us not only if he was mafia or town, but also if we can trust the books as a close guide to how this game will pan out or not. That's information that might be useful.

 

Somehow I feel that we should wait for Rand to announce before lynching any of these false dragons, but that's just my opinion. As you said it is likely that the other is mafia (Vamb), but I think we can afford one or two more nights, waiting for Rand and what happens when he announces.

[bgrishinko]

Bgrishinko apologizes for calling Ahmoon him rather than her... the Sedai should have tipped him off. If he were allowed, he would go back and edit his last post.

 

He also understands Ahmoon has been very busy. BG himself is in school full time/working full time, married and has a 1.5 year old at home. However, Bgrishinko felt that the comments Ahmoon made have not been helpful and in fact have been distracting. She could be one of the mafia that checks in just enough to not get Modkilled due to her busy schedule. Bg is okay with this idea and joining others in the vote. However, if she turns out to be Town, BG wouldn't lose too much sleep over it.

[Myndrunner]

Perhaps the Carne-Carn-Asada is too busy moping about to pronounce himself? I keep waiting for someone to shout...

 

...LET THE LORD OF CHAOS RULE!.... or something like that. Since there are only two false dragons claiming, then it makes sense that Aemon would be Logain and Vambram-thank-ya-ma'am is Mazrim Taim. Were there any other false dragons besides those two that could be in play?

[bgrishinko]

BG also wanted Ahmoon to note that if she could come up with some helpful observations about the game, even if only every once in a while, that it might help her position somewhat. Arguing busy over and over won't really help at this point as people are even thinking about lynching those non-participants.

[DrewRiley]

Perhaps the Carne-Carn-Asada is too busy moping about to pronounce himself? I keep waiting for someone to shout...

 

...LET THE LORD OF CHAOS RULE!.... or something like that. Since there are only two false dragons claiming, then it makes sense that Aemon would be Logain and Vambram-thank-ya-ma'am is Mazrim Taim. Were there any other false dragons besides those two that could be in play?

 

That's what I'm wondering - is the face that there are two false dragons right now a coincidence that I'm trying too hard to match with the books, or was it designed this way by Womby?

[Quibby]

Perhaps the Carne-Carn-Asada is too busy moping about to pronounce himself? I keep waiting for someone to shout...

 

...LET THE LORD OF CHAOS RULE!.... or something like that. Since there are only two false dragons claiming, then it makes sense that Aemon would be Logain and Vambram-thank-ya-ma'am is Mazrim Taim. Were there any other false dragons besides those two that could be in play?

 

Unnamed one that was killed by the Tairens. He's unimportant. Moving on.

 

While I understand the whole "work/school/my dominatrix has been really tough on me" excuse, there seems to be a lot of it flying around. Also, if you could forgive me for flip-flopping for a moment, I'm going to go ahead and unvote CurtDragon. I'm still pretty certain that he's scummy- thus the previous vote- but everybody seems fixated on the "A" thing, so I'm pretty sure that it's a wasted vote for now.

 

Will post again once I have a case against somebody specific.