Wheel of Time Mafia Game Thread

[Alanna]

Okay, so somehow, night actions sent to Red were redirected. And like Drew said (I think it was him?), I think I can kind of guess how.

 

And then, two night actions targeted at someone else were deflected. So it sounds like there's a role that can say 'redirect all actions from Person A to Person B.' And then we've got someone who has a sort of protective ability, in which all night actions are deflected from him/her? But then, does that same person get to say where he/she wants the night actions to go?

 

Bah, redirecting night actions confuses me. Red, I think you make a good point that someone could be lying here about who they really targeted...though I haven't gotten anything scummy from Player or Ed. Well, Player hasn't really struck me at all in this game. Mostly I just remember him going back and forth with David a lot at the end of Day 1, when David was going to be lynched. Ed, otherwise, has been quiet, but since he was looking to be replaced, I mostly assumed that was just because he doesn't have a lot of free time atm.

[Verbal32]

The deflection thing can get really confusing, and I'm seeing this as a distraction ploy. I suppose multiple deflectors could be out there, but somebody is lying. I think a lynch within these people might shed some light on the group as a whole....

[Myndrunner]

"T'is the nature of the hound to hunt the fox. T'is the nature of the fox to divert the hound off his trail. In this game, there are foxes and hounds. Which are you?" -Myndrunner

 

So, assuming that Quibby and AK and Songs are all telling the truth, because it would be foolish for any one of them to come out and make a bold face lie, especially AK vouching for Quibby in such a way. I mean, really....if Quibby flipped scum, that would make AK scum and the inverse as well.

 

Red's visitors five are again (according to Songs): Aust, dapianoplay3r, Ed2funny, Kwom Baggins, and of course, Songs herself.

 

Let's look at Ed2funny (he's hilarious!) starting with this exchange:

 

The names I got who visited Red last night are Aust, Ed, Player, and Kwom Masbag.

 

Hmm. Not who I targetted...

 

 

*grumbles about his item being stolen*

 

You're either a liar or you were md'd too. I know for sure my information is correct.

 

The standing theory is that ed did not target Red, so who did he target instead? This contradicts Songs, but in Part I of Mynd's Mystical Magical Meltdown, we (as in I) decided that Songs is likely innocent (but not definite) and has no reason to lie. Therefore, as the fair maiden stated above, Ed is either lying or he was redirected like Quibby was apparently. Why would Ed lie about this? Who was his intended target? It is possible that Ed wants to shed some doubt on whether he was among those intended visitors because perhaps his night action was of the Dark One's design? Two target mixers in a game this size is possible (see MyndJack Heroes Mafia) but doesn't let Ed off the hook completely.

 

...and who does Ed say he targeted?

You're not privy to that info.

 

haha, I think it's the same person who stole from me.

 

Could Ed have 1) had the Horn or 2) had a certain trinket or Terra Angel that AemonKitten seems so convinced could only come from THE Healer?

 

Let's move on to the Piano Playa....his response to Song's stool pigeon singing:

I must say too that I believe Song but I didnt send in Red as my Night Action

 

What's this? Another redirected targeter? Is Red some kind of target magnet? Or perhaps there is a player who can deflect targets off his/her backside onto another player and Red was that player's target. I wonder if both Ed and PianoPlay3r targeted the same person.

 

Question to Ed and/or Piano: Is the person you targeted last night also in the list of people who targeted Red?

 

Let's now look at Aust's response to Song's claim....

 

.....*cricket chirp*........*cricket chirp*......

 

......OOoooookay, well I guess we will have to wait and hear back from Aust soon. Let's look at Kwom, who was the first to have Song's finger wagged in his face:

 

I had been paying a visit to our Red, so everybody can stop worrying. *nods*

 

I was protecting her. ...In my own fashion, of course, as I don't actually have a strictly protective power. But it can be used as such. If you really want, I can claim right here, but I won't divulge unless I'm sure that the group would prefer it thus.

 

Could this be Quibby's alleged deflector? Not exactly a healer but a deflector is definitely a form of protection and likely a townie role. If so, then why was Song's also not deflected as well? If Kwom is not a healer and not a deflector, then what other way can one be protected without healing, I wonder?

 

Ok, so let's assume that everyone so far in my recap is telling the truth (Red, Songs, Quibby, AK, Kwom, Ed & Piano, and Aust) Here is my take on what likely happened last night:

 

1) Songs targeted Red (duh) to track who visited her last night. It was her chosen target.

2) Ed and Piano both targeted the same person who deflected them to Red

3) Quibby also chose to target Red last night, but was scrambled in a way that caused him to target AK

4) Kwom protected Red in some way, but not quite as a healer.

5) Aust also targeted Red, or targeted the same player as Ed and Piano, and was redirected to Red.

 

Does this scenario make sense to everyone, or are there parts that are hard to believe? Are there any contradictions? I would like to ask each of the following to respond with their thoughts on the above scenario with a simple "Sounds Good" or "Bullshanks!" and why.

 

And why is Verbal not reading the thread?

[Red2111]

Ok, so let's assume that everyone so far in my recap is telling the truth (Red, Songs, Quibby, AK, Kwom, Ed & Piano, and Aust) Here is my take on what likely happened last night:

 

1) Songs targeted Red (duh) to track who visited her last night. It was her chosen target.

2) Ed and Piano both targeted the same person who deflected them to Red

3) Quibby also chose to target Red last night, but was scrambled in a way that caused him to target AK

4) Kwom protected Red in some way, but not quite as a healer.

5) Aust also targeted Red, or targeted the same player as Ed and Piano, and was redirected to Red.

 

Does this scenario make sense to everyone, or are there parts that are hard to believe? Are there any contradictions? I would like to ask each of the following to respond with their thoughts on the above scenario with a simple "Sounds Good" or "Bullshanks!" and why.

 

And why is Verbal not reading the thread?

 

i dunno if i buy the above scenario totally.

 

people i'm more inclined to believe atm are Song (because Kwom has proven she knows i'e been targetted and targeting me to watch for NA's makes alot of sense, a very smart move imo), Quibby (because Aemon backs up his story & a redirector makes since with Kwom's half reveal). i semi believe Kwom, at least more so that the remaining 3 targeters.

 

the only reason why i believe these people is because they have others backing up their claims and it fits together. this, infact, links all of them together in a way. this doesn't mean their cleared, just less suspicious right now.

 

 

so this leaves Aust, Player & Ed. it's too coincedental that all three targetted a re-director even in a game this big; and even more so if they some how targetted the same person. i don't buy coiencedence in this game and find it suspicous when it "happens" so imo, one of them has to be lieing.

 

Aust's silence is un-nerving and makes me want to vote for him just to see what reaction i'd get. i have a few theorys, but i wont divulge them until later if at all.

 

Ed's response of "must have been redirected or something" just doesn't sit right with me. i get that he was asking to be replaced, but at the same time my gut is screaming that something aint right with him. maybe its cause i'm not used to a quiet Ed ...

 

Player's story has a ring of truth to it, but then there are some things which don't measure up.

 

 

also, i'm unsure if its a good idea for any of the 3 in question to reveal who they targettted. if we're right and we've narrowed down a scum, all they have to do is repeat the name someone else gives.

 

 

another point is that, with the re-director role ... do you guys think its most liekly to be a town role? and do you guys want the scum to know who this person is?

[keyholder21]

another point is that, with the re-director role ... do you guys think its most liekly to be a town role? and do you guys want the scum to know who this person is?

 

I was pondering over that just now actually. I think it depends on if the re-director could control who they er...redirected to. If so, then I think it likely they are scum since they sent it at you. If not, then it could possibly be a townie role.

[DrewRiley]

1) Songs targeted Red (duh) to track who visited her last night. It was her chosen target.

2) Ed and Piano both targeted the same person who deflected them to Red

3) Quibby also chose to target Red last night, but was scrambled in a way that caused him to target AK

4) Kwom protected Red in some way, but not quite as a healer.

5) Aust also targeted Red, or targeted the same player as Ed and Piano, and was redirected to Red.

 

This might be simpler than it looks. If

 

1) Songs targeted Red (duh)

2) Kwom switched the results for Aemon and Red

3) (Ed or Piano) targeted Aemon for a nightkill

4) (Ed or Piano) targeted Aemon for a heal

5) Aust went for a steal from Aemon

 

Because really, Aemon is much juicier subject for targets last night than Red was (roleless, itemless). So Kwom flip-flopping Red and Aemon means all the people trying to kill, heal or steal from Aemon were redirected to Red. This would make Songs read five actions on Red.

 

In conclusion BIG FOS at Ed, Piano and Aust. I'm convinced one (or two) of them is scum.

 

Piano is trying to make us focus on Blackhoof, which is super scummy. Ed is just sounding super scummy. And Aust's silence is super scummy. So I don't know who to vote for, but I'm convinced at least one of those needs to be lynched.

[DrewRiley]

Okay so reading it again, that theory isn't foolproof, but if it's true:

1) Aemon and Red are town for sure

2) Kwom thinks one of them is not town (likely Aemon)

[Red2111]

Drew - i disagree with one thing. i woudl have been an easier target for last night tbh becuase of the fact that i was both Roleless, Itemless and had the most suspicion on me. in the scums eyes, this made me a perfect sitting duck. depending on my role & item (and no i'm not revealing) the potential for me being a sure NK was there. especially since my item allowed me not to be RB'd. that i was drawing alot more suspicious, and aemon had claimed both Finder & Dragon meant that Aemon was much more likely to draw healer protection.

 

also, especially if Aemon is innocent (which scum would know if he's not on their team) my death woudl have meant a fast, unquestioned lynch on Aemon. again why i was a smart NK choice. point is, the scum took a chance, they gambled & lost thankfully.

 

also, to this

 

Because really, Aemon is much juicier subject for targets last night than Red was (roleless, itemless). So Kwom flip-flopping Red and Aemon means all the people trying to kill, heal or steal from Aemon were redirected to Red. This would make Songs read five actions on Red.

 

it depends on the nature of the role. it could be i was the person picked and the redirector chose to push all actions targetted at me onto Aemon. in this case, it's a one way street, actions targetting Aemon wouldn't flow back at me. your thinking of a bus driver.

 

 

I was pondering over that just now actually. I think it depends on if the re-director could control who they er...redirected to. If so, then I think it likely they are scum since they sent it at you. If not, then it could possibly be a townie role.

 

you took the words right out of my mouth

[keyholder21]

Not that I want to go back to the great Red debate, BUT I do have to say that this caught my eye just now when I was looking back through for something else.

 

My favorite color is blue *shows off her pretty blueeyes* brings out their color rathernice, while red clashes with my hair sometimes, so I don’t wear it too often. Its rare that a red head can wear the colorred *nods*

 

I know Moiraine was brought up, but Mo had dark hair. In fact, the only Blue I can think of with red hair is Sheriam...who had one warder.

 

Also, Drew, I don't necessarily think that Aemon was juicier than Red just because she was role and itemless. It could be that they thought Aemon was protected and so went after her, or maybe thought that her at night without an item and role was the best time to get her. If she really is Moiraine, then that would be a big blow for us town.

[DrewRiley]

You're right, I am thinking of a bus driver rather than a re-director in that scenario. I still think it's plausible, but your point about you being a good NK target is not unnoticed. What a mess. In any situation, I think Player, Ed and Aust need to speak up fast.

[Quibby]

To go with that, though, Sheriam had green eyes. I think she was actually describing her own hair color (ergo the moniker 'Red').

[keyholder21]

Yeah, I just looked that up lol.

 

That could make sense. I didn't know she was a redhead IRL :/.

[Red2111]

I know Moiraine was brought up, but Mo had dark hair. In fact, the only Blue I can think of with red hair is Sheriam...who had one warder.

 

totally non game related, but to clarify,

 

yes my fav color is blue, and yes my eyes are a pretty shade of almost steel blue.

 

yes i'm a red head in real life (that was me when i was ummmm 5 i think) i know it was taken at the Natural History museum in DC.

 

 

 

but some shades of Red i can pull off if the lighting is good, depending on how dark my hair is (my hair tends to lighten to strawberry blonde with alot of sun and turn almost auburn in the winter)

 

 

back to your reguarly scheduled game

[Quibby]

I don't know if she is or not. It's just a guess, and it has no bearing on the game whatsoever.

[Quibby]

And of course she would post that as I'm posting...

[Red2111]

and just cause i'm trolling through some old photos. these are better (& funnier) than the one i posted above. just incase you guys thought i was that Caulken kid

 

 

[Krakalakachkn]

@ Mynd - Well Song probably wouldn't have been affected because her action didn't directly touch/influence Red or any other actions directed at her. So I'm not surprised she wasn't affected.

 

@Red - I agree you were a more attractive target than Aemon. Aemon's claim sows chaos, which is good for the mafia. You were the most outspoken in denouncing Aemon and you were also roleless/itemless. I'm sure the mafia were thinking "hey, she's completely defenseless and most likely no one will defend her because she was almost lynched, so let's NK her now before she has a chance (night 2) to use her night action" and therefore targeted you.

 

I think we can also agree, at this point, that a mafia wouldn't have mirrored Aemon and Red unless both were innocent. However, why would a scum mirror the two most chaotic and argumentative people in the game? I don't see how it could serve a purpose. Also, if Aemon were mafia, he certainly wouldn't mirror himself and Red. So I think I can believe, at this point, that both are innocent and both can't be scum.

 

Also, as to Aust, this thread moves really quickly. He's had accusations thrown at him to be sure, but I know that I oftentimes don't have time to post a long and lengthy post (especially if I have a need to defend myself). So while he was online, it may be that he either a) didn't read this thread and see the accusations or b) didn't have the time to properly respond.

 

More to come soon, class is over.

[trench]

Off topic sorry

 

Go Red

Just for being a red head

There are just not enough of us in the world

Says this red headed squirrel

one who can wear red.

[Verbal32]

Unvote

 

Vote: Aemon

[Red2111]

care to giveus a reason why your voting Aemon Verb??

[Verbal32]

Figured it was the right play to make.

[Krakalakachkn]

Yeah verb.

 

 

Also, clarification on Aust, I wasn't defending him just saying that we should be more interested in what he says than when he says it.

[keyholder21]

I know Moiraine was brought up, but Mo had dark hair. In fact, the only Blue I can think of with red hair is Sheriam...who had one warder.

 

totally non game related, but to clarify,

 

yes my fav color is blue, and yes my eyes are a pretty shade of almost steel blue.

 

yes i'm a red head in real life (that was me when i was ummmm 5 i think) i know it was taken at the Natural History museum in DC.

 

 

 

 

*nods* Thanks for the catch up :).

 

That picture of you as a kid is totally adorable *g*. I have a similar one photo that lives at my mom's, though I'm blonde instead of a red head haha. I'm jealous of your red hair though - I've always wanted red hair. I've dyed mine red several times over high school and college, though it tends to fade back into the blonde really quickly.

 

Ok - back to game, just wanted to respond!

[Red2111]

just noticed something, Song, why do you only have 1 vote now? did your item get stolen?

 

i didn't see this mentioned, and i went back to check to see whent he deadline is.

 

Vote Count

 

Kwom (1): Song

TMD (1): Locke

Blackhoof (1): bg

bg (1): Blackhoof

Aust (1): Aemon

Quibby (2): AJ, Ahmoondah

 

With 33 alive, I take 17 to lynch.

Deadline: Friday, 6:30 PM EST

 

 

also Verb - i'm not defending Aemon, but alot of us are confident that he's most liekly Logain. do youhave any reason to believe this. i can see that lynching Aemon wold give us alot of info; yet i question you becuase up until now you've been really quiet on everything and your reasoning isn't really allowing me to put any faith in your intentions.

[Red2111]

gah!!

 

any reason to believe he's not logian.

 

 

stoopid computerz.