One thing I have always wondered..

[Abutt]

In the Eye of the World, after Rand destorys a large chunk of the shadow's army at Tarwins Gap, This takes place:

"The Light blind you, Ba'alzamon! This has to end!"

IT IS NOT HERE

It was not Rand's thought, making his skull vibrate.

I WILL TAKE NO PART. ONLY THE CHOSEN ONE CAN DO WHAT MUST BE DONE, IF HE WILL.

"Where" He did not want to say it, but he could not stop himself. "Where?"

The haze surrounding him parted, leaving a dome of clear clean air ten spans high, walled by billowing smoke and dust. Steps rose before him, each standing alone and unsupported, stretching up into the murck that obscured the sun.

NOT HERE.

 

Im thinking it has to be the Creator, though if it is, this is the only time in the entire series we have ever seen him take any part directly... thoughts?

[jwillis7]

In the Eye of the World, after Rand destorys a large chunk of the shadow's army at Tarwins Gap, This takes place:

"The Light blind you, Ba'alzamon! This has to end!"

IT IS NOT HERE

It was not Rand's thought, making his skull vibrate.

I WILL TAKE NO PART. ONLY THE CHOSEN ONE CAN DO WHAT MUST BE DONE, IF HE WILL.

"Where" He did not want to say it, but he could not stop himself. "Where?"

The haze surrounding him parted, leaving a dome of clear clean air ten spans high, walled by billowing smoke and dust. Steps rose before him, each standing alone and unsupported, stretching up into the murck that obscured the sun.

NOT HERE.

 

Im thinking it has to be the Creator, though if it is, this is the only time in the entire series we have ever seen him take any part directly... thoughts?

i think most think it is the Creator but we don't know when asked about it Team Jordan just says RAFO so i guess we will find out

[moratcorlm]

I suspect Shai'tan, but there's never been any way to bring an end to that debate. Nobody knows.

[MrMatrim]

I always thought it was the Dark One rather than the Creator as well....it just makes more sense in my head that way.

 

I can see the argument for either one, though. Hopefully we'll find out the answer in the final book.

[dovien]

I think it's pretty clear that it is the voice of the Creator.

[username13]

I reckon it was Steve the Super Squirrel

[Xader]

]"The Light blind you, Ba'alzamon! This has to end!"

IT IS NOT HERE

It was not Rand's thought, making his skull vibrate.

I WILL TAKE NO PART. ONLY THE CHOSEN ONE CAN DO WHAT MUST BE DONE, IF HE WILL.

"Where" He did not want to say it, but he could not stop himself. "Where?"

The haze surrounding him parted, leaving a dome of clear clean air ten spans high, walled by billowing smoke and dust. Steps rose before him, each standing alone and unsupported, stretching up into the murck that obscured the sun.

NOT HERE.

 

Seems like the Creator to me.

 

"IT" seems to refer to the DO. When Rand yells to the DO, the Creator tells him that "IT" is not there.

 

"I WILL TAKE NO PART". This seems to be the Creator's stance. It's absolutely certain that the DO would take part given the chance. In fact, he has, in changing the weather, spoiling food, weakening the OP, etc.

[Jblaylock]

It was Bela.

[jmikea]

I think IT IS NOT HERE is a response to 'This has to end.' i.e. 'Yes it does, but not here.' No real proof or anything, just my own theory.

 

And I agree it was the Creator. I think we'll hear his voice again some time in March 2012.

[dovien]

I always thought 'IT' was more in reference to Rand's path or destiny. To be honest though, it's one of those things that seems to make sense at the time in an inscrutable kind of way and it's only in hindsight (like this thread) when it occurs to me to question it.

[Morh]

So long ago since I read the first book but I'm quite sure I never thought about this before. It sure seems like it could be the Creator rather than the DO but why would he this time and this time only speak to Rand. Could it be that the Creator stopped by to say that he wont have anything to do with this fight and Rand was alone in this fight lol?

[dovien]

The first few books are full of weird outliers like this, I wouldn't worry too much. Chances are we'll hear the voice of the Creator again in the last book and everything will become clear.

[Gympok]

It was Bela.

/agree

[Xader]

Could it be that the Creator stopped by to say that he wont have anything to do with this fight and Rand was alone in this fight lol?

 

Yep. Pretty much...

[Abutt]

It's absolutely certain that the DO would take part given the chance. In fact, he has, in changing the weather, spoiling food, weakening the OP, etc.

The One Power? Did I miss something? When did he ever weaken the One Power? Yes he tainted Saidin but.... someone please explain this one, it apparently has flown over my head.

[Taura-Tierno]

Wasn't it mentioned at some point that, in certain places, the One Power was difficult to weave, in the later books? I'm not positive, but I think I remember something like that.

[dovien]

Wasn't it mentioned at some point that, in certain places, the One Power was difficult to weave, in the later books? I'm not positive, but I think I remember something like that.

That was due to the weather working. Although you could argue that the way keepings have been failing counts as a weakening of the One Power.

[Nae Bliss]

It was Bela.

 

 

Curse you El Obscuro!

I was gonna say that the moment I entered this thread. >:P

[NetSlider]

I've been wondering for 10 years. Personally, I think it's DO and Creator (too much to it to explain here right now).

[SylvanFox]

I thought it was the Creator. Makes sense as DO too, though.

[Lupy]

I've always thought it was the Creator. After seeing that some people think it was the DO though... It does remind me of:

 

I have won again, Lews Therin.

[Jblaylock]

It was Bela.

 

 

Curse you El Obscuro!

I was gonna say that the moment I entered this thread. >:P

 

 

 

Muah ha ha ha ha

 

*taps fingers together in wave after wave of evil-genius finger-applause*

[Jblaylock]

Regarding this overly long debate about the VOICE in the Eye of the World, whether or not it was the Creator, etc etc....

 

 

What I have yet to see is anyone saying, "Hey, maybe the fact that this was the first book in the series has something to do with it. Maybe RJ was still developing ideas, where he wanted the story to go, how he wanted the system of "magic" to be, what sort of supernatural things can and can't happen, and how explainable/unexplainable the story should or shouldn't be. Maybe that voice was something he planned on developing, and then just totaly abandoned because, as he progressed in developing the story, he realized it didn't really jive well with the rest. Maybe he hoped we wouldn't notice, or that if we did, he could just come up with some excuse."

 

At the end of the day, it's just a book, and when he wrote the first one he wasn't planning on this story being the scale it turned into. Perhaps he didn't realize back then how "into it" his fans would be, and didn't plan out in the same level of detail, to ensure the absense of loose ends, that he did in the latter books.

 

I say just let it go. I say it was an idea that he changed his mind on later and chose not to develope, and because there was so little explaination of it, he could get away with just letting it go.

[dovien]

I thought that kind of went without saying.

[Xader]

I say just let it go. I say it was an idea that he changed his mind on later and chose not to develope, and because there was so little explaination of it, he could get away with just letting it go.

 

I think Morh's comment fits your suggestion pretty well.

 

Could it be that the Creator stopped by to say that he wont have anything to do with this fight and Rand was alone in this fight lol?

 

If this explanation is used, then it makes it clear that "the voice" will not play any further part, and can be summarily dismissed.