Discuss Logain

[Luckers]

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[moroten]

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The last time we saw him was during KoD if Im not mistaken. He is the one that tells the Athan'miere(or however you spell it) to make ready for the last battle. That was quite some time ago.

 

His absense aint normal imo. We know for sure that he hasnt been captured by Taim and that he isnt dead. But that still leaves loads of areas to cover. But I bet he has been apprehended somehow somewhere and this new gathering of people that will look for him will eventually find him and possibly even save him.

[Omega]

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The last time we saw him was during KoD if Im not mistaken. He is the one that tells the Athan'miere(or however you spell it) to make ready for the last battle. That was quite some time ago.

 

His absense aint normal imo. We know for sure that he hasnt been captured by Taim and that he isnt dead. But that still leaves loads of areas to cover. But I bet he has been apprehended somehow somewhere and this new gathering of people that will look for him will eventually find him and possibly even save him.

 

I agree the last time he was seen I believe was with the Sea Folk.

 

Perhaps he's in hiding, I wouldn't want to go back to the BT with a proverbial target on my back. More likely I think though, is that he was given yet more to do by Rand that we don't know about. Rand hasn't called for him or spoken of him, nor has he mentioned him in any of his thoughts on the BT. If Rand knew he was somewhere else, and has been for some time carrying out orders, then he would be right not to consider him.

[Sharaman]

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The last time we saw him was during KoD if Im not mistaken. He is the one that tells the Athan'miere(or however you spell it) to make ready for the last battle. That was quite some time ago.

 

His absense aint normal imo. We know for sure that he hasnt been captured by Taim and that he isnt dead. But that still leaves loads of areas to cover. But I bet he has been apprehended somehow somewhere and this new gathering of people that will look for him will eventually find him and possibly even save him.

 

I agree the last time he was seen I believe was with the Sea Folk.

 

Perhaps he's in hiding, I wouldn't want to go back to the BT with a proverbial target on my back. More likely I think though, is that he was given yet more to do by Rand that we don't know about. Rand hasn't called for him or spoken of him, nor has he mentioned him in any of his thoughts on the BT. If Rand knew he was somewhere else, and has been for some time carrying out orders, then he would be right not to consider him.

Doesn't he tell Naeff to seek out Logain?

[nolirion]

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The last time we saw him was during KoD if Im not mistaken. He is the one that tells the Athan'miere(or however you spell it) to make ready for the last battle. That was quite some time ago.

 

His absense aint normal imo. We know for sure that he hasnt been captured by Taim and that he isnt dead. But that still leaves loads of areas to cover. But I bet he has been apprehended somehow somewhere and this new gathering of people that will look for him will eventually find him and possibly even save him.

 

I agree the last time he was seen I believe was with the Sea Folk.

 

Perhaps he's in hiding, I wouldn't want to go back to the BT with a proverbial target on my back. More likely I think though, is that he was given yet more to do by Rand that we don't know about. Rand hasn't called for him or spoken of him, nor has he mentioned him in any of his thoughts on the BT. If Rand knew he was somewhere else, and has been for some time carrying out orders, then he would be right not to consider him.

This was before Rand epiphany so their is little chance Rand asked Logain specific thing about the BT (he was no caring at the time)

[Haran]

Min has viewed numerous times that Logain carries an aura of a golden halo over his head indicating that he will one day attain great glory. Also, Egwene once had a dream in which Logain steps over Rand's corpse, sits on a throne and laughs maniacally, while Rand's corpse collapses into leaves.

 

To me this clearly indicates that he will at some point take over for Rand as the leader of the Black Tower. Rand is only the nominal leader now, which means he has to get though Taim somehow. I can't really see him becoming the new M'heal by letting Rand fight his battles either, which is why I believe Taim isn’t one of the forsaken, but rather a male Alviarin or some such, someone Logain can at least overcome without Rand.

[Bob T Dwarf]

Min has viewed numerous times that Logain carries an aura of a golden halo over his head indicating that he will one day attain great glory. Also, Egwene once had a dream in which Logain steps over Rand's corpse, sits on a throne and laughs maniacally, while Rand's corpse collapses into leaves.

 

To me this clearly indicates that he will at some point take over for Rand as the leader of the Black Tower. Rand is only the nominal leader now, which means he has to get though Taim somehow. I can't really see him becoming the new M'heal by letting Rand fight his battles either, which is why I believe Taim isn’t one of the forsaken, but rather a male Alviarin or some such, someone Logain can at least overcome without Rand.

 

Maybe. But, there's that whole Perrin-needs-to-be-there-twice-to-save-Rand's-bacon thing. Rand getting trapped at the Black Tower by the Dreamspike and Perrin destroying it would fulfill the second of those.

 

I'm pretty sure Logain will end up succeeding Taim, but how he gets there could be very interesting to read.

[AutomatedTeller]

I do think Logain will lead the Asha'man for the Light. The Black Tower is going to be rent in fire or whatever it was that Elaida foretold, and those from the light will follow Logain, those that survive from the dark will follow Taim. For one thing, very few of the Asha'man know Rand - they know Logain and Taim.

 

For another, I don't think Rand is going to fight at the Last Battle, per se. He'll break the seals and go deal with the dark one - maybe he'll have to take out Demandred, maybe that will be Logain with callandor or something. I dunno.

[johthohar]

I was really hoping Logain would play at least a small role in ToM. He is by far my favorite character outside of the primary protagonists. In fact, if I had to list my top 3 it would go Rand, Mat, Logain. If he doesn't show up in like the first quarter of aMoL I'm gonna be super pissed. We STILL haven't seen his "future glory" or whatever.

[lordofsoup]

I thought that Logain was hiding out somewhere, or building his own army of channelers. Maybe he went to shara or Seanchan and gained power. Rand gave him orders, and he took a large contingent of Ashamen somewhere.

[Tiinker]

I do think Logain will lead the Asha'man for the Light. The Black Tower is going to be rent in fire or whatever it was that Elaida foretold, and those from the light will follow Logain, those that survive from the dark will follow Taim. For one thing, very few of the Asha'man know Rand - they know Logain and Taim.

 

For another, I don't think Rand is going to fight at the Last Battle, per se. He'll break the seals and go deal with the dark one - maybe he'll have to take out Demandred, maybe that will be Logain with callandor or something. I dunno.

 

If he doesn't make an appearance atleast i'm going to be pissed..

[AutomatedTeller]

I guess I'm thinking that Rand will be fighting with the DO (and Fain and god knows who else) while the battle is raging. I mean, the Seanchan think that they fight and then send Rand in, but that seems like a lot of death that maybe can be avoided if Rand just goes to Shayol Ghul.

 

I'm sort of assuming something kind of like in LotR, except across much of the borderlands and in various Randland cities, while Rand deals with the dark one, not just a finger-biter like Gollumn....

[smileyman]

So is Logain building his own Tower? What's he been doing for all this time? What's the glory that he'll be earning?

[Wolfsister]

The last time Logain is on screen is prologue of TGS when Rand sends the Sul'dam and Damane back to Ebou Dar (after loosing his hand and capturing Semirage). This is before Rand goes to hide out at that Manor house, so before the Dark Rand. There are Asha'man with Rand throughout, so its possible that Logain is still with the Rand, just never onscreen just as there are Aes Sedai with him throughout. There is no mention of sending Logain going to a mission or him being missing. So I do believe we will see Logain in the aMoL and find out what he has been up to. My guess is that he is still with Rand.

[Corvinus]

To respond to a previous post: Naeff was sent by Rand to investigate the situation at the Black Tower, and not to find Logain.

 

Regarding Logain, I think the ones responsible for turning people to the Shadow tried to turn him, but he fought his way to freedom and then went into hiding; maybe in a stedding. It would be cool if he went to Loial and brought the Ogiers via a gateway to Rand.

[TigerGamer]

To respond to a previous post: Naeff was sent by Rand to investigate the situation at the Black Tower, and not to find Logain.

 

Regarding Logain, I think the ones responsible for turning people to the Shadow tried to turn him, but he fought his way to freedom and then went into hiding; maybe in a stedding. It would be cool if he went to Loial and brought the Ogiers via a gateway to Rand.

 

Rand sent Naeff to the BT to give Logain a specific message "Tell him we're not weapons". So yes, Rand believes Logain to be at the BT.

[Corvinus]

To respond to a previous post: Naeff was sent by Rand to investigate the situation at the Black Tower, and not to find Logain.

 

Regarding Logain, I think the ones responsible for turning people to the Shadow tried to turn him, but he fought his way to freedom and then went into hiding; maybe in a stedding. It would be cool if he went to Loial and brought the Ogiers via a gateway to Rand.

 

Rand sent Naeff to the BT to give Logain a specific message "Tell him we're not weapons". So yes, Rand believes Logain to be at the BT.

 

You're right I forgot. I have my doubts though, that Naeff will succeed. He will probably be turned to Shadow, too.

[randsc]

I think he will return to the BT, for a showdown with Taim.

 

I think Min's vision means nothing more than that he will be the new leader of the BT after that showdown.

 

It would be cool if he were the new leader of the ying/yang tower, post Last Battle. Cool because I have always liked Logain, and despise Egwene.

[Sabio]

I don't see Rand going to the BT, he seems to be wanting to stay away from it. I think it will be a Logain vs Taim ciil war at the tower.

[MattTaz]

According to the Gateway Ashaman POV - cant remember his name, the one that asks Pevara for help - Logain turned up took 4 of the strongest Dedicated's and left.

One of the Dedicated Mezar? comes back and is now a Taim follower and has zombie eyes and says all is now OK with Logain and Taim - yep BS

Sorry for the rough description I just cant remember those guys names.

 

It sounds like Logain will be in AMOL but have a backstory Timeline like Perrin did in TOM.

[GB]

so could logain simply being held prisoner while his turn to be converted is coming?

 

mezar, one of logain's man, was turned and raised after.

 

so most probably, androl with the help of pevara, naeff, two rivers man, and bonded aes sedai, could it be gabrelle or the other sister will go to pevara while they feel logain pain?

 

and so bonded aes sedai join ashaman in circles, with the rebels outside joining in the fight and bassive showdown at the Black Tower.

[rambling]

I doubt Logain is being held. He knew there was something badly wrong at BT before he sent Mezar there as his messenger, he would have taken precautions.

Mezar would have been questioned about Logain's plans and defences put in place to stop any attack. I think Logain may well be outside already, wandering why gateways don't work.

Meanwhile, Perrin did say that he was going to investigate the BT in TAR, so all we'd need is for Perrin to shift the dreamspike in time to let everyone in.

As I understand the timelines, there is just under a week available for Logain, Naeff, Androl and the AS to meet up and plan while we catch up with Perrin in TAR in the epilogue.

 

So far Rand has been a puppet leader of the BT, ostensibly in charge but with Taim doing his own thing. Once the Black Tower is "rent in blood and fire, and sisters ... walk its grounds" (as per Elaida), Egwene's vision can come true - the puppet breaks and disappears once Logain is in charge.

[Tom Sawyer]

Ya, Logain really does need to get around to doing something in the last book. I've been waiting for him to become a major character since Eye of the World and he just hasn't really shown up yet. I do hope that they have a good False Dragon battle between him and Taim because he needs to earn all that glory he's going to get somehow.

[Guest]

Finally this thread is up! Ty Luckers <3

 

*Stretches fingers* Where to begin?!

 

Obviously, Logain is the unofficial leader at the BT seeing its practically 100% certain that Taim is a darkfriend, and is in that right not qualified to lead this awesome force of male channelers, and all his goons are probably close to darkfriends as well. Some however, might just be really bad at judging characters and are there purely for advancing fast, and thereby risking a forced turning.

 

Now, Logain has shown time and time again his loyalty to Rand, he does several assignments, including getting a meeting with the Seanchan. What worries me though, is that Rand does not include him with the only Asha'man he trusts, Narishma, Flinn and Hopwil (though he died). Where Logain is now though, is anyones guess. Alot must have happened off scene, possibly ordered by Rand. However! we must not exclude the possibilty of Logain acting on his own accord, with his own agenda. Remember, he and his crew foricbly bonds several AS at his own initiative. We know that the BT is split in half, and by Logains own words "most of them does not even know you (Rand)". It is not so farfetched to assume that Logain is not necessarily following Rands wishes to the letter, as he might be able to think for himself. Logain has not talked with the new epiphinized Rand, and thereby we can guess that everything Rand has ordered him up until then, violates something Logain believes in. What he is doing I have no clue on. I do speculate that he is gathering his strength, possibly recruiting new Asha'man of his own both from the BT before the dreamspike, and new ones from different areas. I am really certain that this faction, wherever it may be, will overthrow Taim. I have a hunch, that by the time Rand arrives near the BT it is already broken since Androl will have forced a gateway through the dreamspike, and ushered in Logain and all of his gang.

 

on a sidenote, if it turns out Logain is a badguy (something i realllllllly doubt) I will seriously be depressed. for months.

[Jeangray]

Meanwhile, Perrin did say that he was going to investigate the BT in TAR, so all we'd need is for Perrin to shift the dreamspike in time to let everyone in.

 

Um, I know that forces of the Shadow are rather idiotic, but I still think that after Graendal's fiasco they are going to make the second dreamspike Perrin-proof.

Yes, I'd love to know what Logain, his remaining Dedicated and their AS are cooking, but there doesn't seem to be any clue.

Also, Mezar had a bonded AS too, didn't he? Wonder what happened to her...