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moroten

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  1. I'm a lurker I admit, but I've been here for quite some time, even remember the topics where we thought Luckers actually was RJ. This forum has helped a ton of people to kill time and theorize in-between books, including me. I come here less and less now and it saddens me to see how inactive the community has become. No fault on anyone, it is just how things work. I just wanted to say thank you to Dragonmount and maybe I see you guys around. /Moroten
  2. Actually you cant say for certain that normal dark friends has no black bonds since we have havnt encountered Rand fighting a normal dark friend in ages. Besides we do have proof of this in tEotW with Kari, Rands mother. He slices the bond holding her to the shadow.
  3. Well with that statement it seems as if forced turning changes ones personality and it is with that alone that they stay with the shadow. Then what is the purpose of the bond? Hopefully it can be reversed, Nyanaeve comes to mind that wants to heal everything part from death. No other thoughts on this topic?
  4. We know that 13 channelers and 13 myrdaals can turn a channeler into following the Shadow. We also know the ever quoted statement that no one can be deep enough into the shadow that there is no way back to the light. One can return to the light. Ingtar, the follower who defied his allegiance to the shadow and died for the light. Regarding Ingtar and many others whom we have encountered of the shadow, there is a personality within them. They argument within themselfs if their decision is the right one. The white cloak(dont recall his name) never questions his allegiance but he mourns the deaths of his relatives, especially his favourite sister. Those thoughts can be the foundation upon which defiance can manifest and grow. What Im saying is that the darkfriends have reasons on why they joined the other side and sometimes argues with themselfs why, as if they are questions their decision. But if we look on the people that have been forced to join the darkside they didnt join on their own accord, obviously, and we dont have a PoV of them. But we have others meeting them and recall conversing with them and find them odd. Their personality has changed. What is different here with their bond to the shadow? Rand often sees the "black bond" on the darkfriend and twice he cuts it, once for his mother and once for Asmodean. Their personality didnt change due to the bond being cut only their connection with the dark one was cut. They themselfs are the same. What does this bond then represent? Reffering to the forced allegiance and it seems as if it has no effect, otherwise people forced to the shadow should have their personality intact(to invoke less suspicion) and letting the bond be sufficient enough to controll them. But judging by Ingtar and others the bond seems mere only a matter of representation. The bond represent the shadow but the personaly is the mean which defines the person of being a follower of the shadow. By this reasoning the 13 mydraal and 13 channelers somehow changes the personality of this channeler that they are turning. Perhaps the bond is established aswell we dont know. But we do know from other experiences of darkfriends that the personality and its argumentation plays a huge role. I try to make my thoughts regarding this matter as easy as possible to abtain, they might seems jumbled, I apologize for that. But I wonder what others ideas are concerning this issue! Is the bond sifnificant to the darkfriend or is simply like a slavemark, representing something, is personality the true bond to the shadow?
  5. Mesaana cant be ressurected, she aint dead. You forgot others that can handle forsaken such as aviendha. I would be suprised if Liandrin returned in the last book of the series, RJ basically solved her plotline and might aswell have killed her. That she would return to the light and kill Moghedien wont happen, Nyanaeve wont allow her to roam free again but will rather send her to the justice of the tower. And if her shield would be removed she wont join the light but rather kill moghedien with reasoning of the dark side. You also forgot about Cadsuane, the living legend that think this might be her last act, RJ might have considered her going out with a bang.
  6. Like people have already said, there are simply way too many to mention. But I find it hard to believe that no one has mentioned the scene in KoD The Golden Crane with the malkieri men getting persuaded by Nyaneave.
  7. Dont think we need to go as far as the Aes sedais telling themselves that they arent using the power as a weapon. One the defines the means used in torture as tools not weapons. The tools are not meant for killing the subject while weapons are.
  8. Sorry to inform you then that we don't have that idea. Not sure why the OP seems sure of it but to say it is highly unlikely would be an understatement. Figured, knew about Luckers thread concerning Egwene dying, but that was before the last installement in the series I believe.
  9. Hey. I've been gone from the forums for quite some time now. Just recently started lurk around again. Must have missed alot of interesting threads, from where do we get the idea that Egwene will turn dark and get killed by Gawyn(personally love the idea)? On topic. Those lives were lives of possibility were different choices were made. I hardly believe they will affect their current lives since those lives had different choices made before they even are at this point. And if it somehow Perrin saw an exact same life with all the choices he had made up untill that point, he will have loads of information and know when and how to do the right thing. Which is doubtful since Perrin has been caught by suprise more than once since then. Just my take on things.
  10. We see her line of descendants. We also see her actual grown up kids. We can tell by Bruan being there that it hasnt been gone too much time since the LB and the current time in that last viewing. But they think and talk like both Rand and Aviendha are dead, considering atleast that Aviendah must have survived the LB to give birth to the babies she is still somewhat young. Im curious as to happens here, we dont know for certain the Rand will survive the last battle, but Im kinda convinced tht he will. How come those two just disappears? Are they murdered? Mainly wondered if anyone else of you people starting thinking about this. Ofc we cant find a right answer, but the whole Aiel thing post LB saddens me.
  11. German troops were mechanized to some extent in the Blitzkrieg to easily move around static enemy forces to cut off communication and reinforcements and such. But what made Blitzkrieg so effective wasnt the mobility of the army but rather the authority officers had in the German army. They could make the decisions on spot rather than wait an infinite time for getting the green light from the big leader. The Chain of command was very evolved in the German army, and that was their key to success, dunkurque is another matter tho so dont bring that up as an argument towards this. On the matter tho. Yes one might think that the Borderlands should have stronger and bigger defences, but considering they only have had like 40 years to build them up(malkiere covered them all before that) I would say they have done a good enough job. Add to this that we know nothing of their income and natural resources, when merchants talk about wares I dont think I have ever heard of a borderland resourcse that seem in high demand, except maybe pepper from Kandor. When it comes to Tarwin's gap, if Im not mistaken thats in the blight these days isnt it? If it is, you dont want to build defences in the actual blight, thats asking for problems. If its not the in the blight and I remember wrong, just ignore this last passage ^^. This is a reply to me? Because it looks like we basically agree. We do :D. I just clarified with the aid of your points! :P
  12. German troops were mechanized to some extent in the Blitzkrieg to easily move around static enemy forces to cut off communication and reinforcements and such. But what made Blitzkrieg so effective wasnt the mobility of the army but rather the authority officers had in the German army. They could make the decisions on spot rather than wait an infinite time for getting the green light from the big leader. The Chain of command was very evolved in the German army, and that was their key to success, dunkurque is another matter tho so dont bring that up as an argument towards this. On the matter tho. Yes one might think that the Borderlands should have stronger and bigger defences, but considering they only have had like 40 years to build them up(malkiere covered them all before that) I would say they have done a good enough job. Add to this that we know nothing of their income and natural resources, when merchants talk about wares I dont think I have ever heard of a borderland resourcse that seem in high demand, except maybe pepper from Kandor. When it comes to Tarwin's gap, if Im not mistaken thats in the blight these days isnt it? If it is, you dont want to build defences in the actual blight, thats asking for problems. If its not the in the blight and I remember wrong, just ignore this last passage ^^.
  13. I still disagree with this line of reasoning. He didn't choose between the two of them because he could have helped both. His choice to help Moiraine might have been delayed by helping Verin, but not cancelled. Maybe not even that. While this is a valid counterargument I believe that Mat would have been locked up in Caemlyn for quite some time fighting the dragonspawn. Verin described it as a vast army moving through the ways and the time were already short on their hands when they decided to leave Caemlyn. When they had managed to clear out the darkspawn the number of days for the big meeting were already numbered, I dont know if Tom and Mat could have justified putting Moiraine infront of the last battle, after all none of them knows of her importance, only Min does. I will however admit that my idea of Mat's timeline around this time is very obscure, I dont know the amount of time they spent in ToG, but with Egwene's PoV of Perrin arrival and Perrin leaving shortly after Mat's departure we can assume that between the decision of Mat deciding to help Verin instead of Moiraine, too few days would remain to save Moiraine.
  14. Think this has happened already. He had to choose between Moiraine and Verin. He chose Moiraine.
  15. He didnt know based on the PoV you get from him after the Tower incident. But I dont think he was very suprised to find out that Noal was Jain, Noal had proven him on different occassions before that, he had earned enough respect from Mat that he never questioned the revelation.
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