Shadow over Fiddlesmouth Game Thread [GAME OVER, TOWN WINS]

[Thorum]

Who posted what Thorum?

 

This thing:

 

As for Thorum, I have no intention of lynching him. If the vote count gets close to 13 I will unvote and ask the same for others. I believe in pressuring people with the threat of a lynch.

 

It's something that was quoted by Naeann inside a Lavinya-quote just before the post I asked the question.

[WWWwombat]

That was Al Jenn iirc.

[Thorum]

[glow=red,2,300]unvote[/glow]

 

[glow=red,2,300]Al Jenn[/glow]

 

Do I still have to explain this move?

 

I notice I already commented on it this morning...

[Al Jenn Mael]

As for Thorum he still needs 5 more votes, which isn't to hard to accomplish. And it is hard to stop or derail a wagon once it starts.

 

As for Thorum, I have no intention of lynching him. If the vote count gets close to 13 I will unvote and ask the same for others.

 

Seems fairly contradictory there.

 

 

I will give Thorum the chance to explain himself and see what it brings about. Do you disagree with this method?

Yes, considering that you voted for Thorum without an actual reason...

 

[glow=red,2,300]Unvote

Thorum[/glow]

 

Irony and just to spite Pete.

And Thorum's the one who has to convince us of his innocence?

 

[glow=red,2,300]Unvote and vote Al Jenn[/glow]

 

Not contradictory the first quote is a fact the second an opinion. Wagons form fast, have momentum, and from what I've seen are pretty hard to stop. The reason I think this is, is because the inactive players agree with the majority in the beginning instead of actually reading through the game. Therefore they just follow along. Additionally they will just leave their votes sitting on that person because it is easiest. Then by the time people push for a lynch that person has the most votes or one of the most votes so people will vote for them for the sake of getting a player controlled lynch.

 

As for my opinion several people have latched onto that, so I'll just requote it and explain bellow. You're right though I had absolutely no reason to vote for Thorum. He was tied with Quibby for the most votes and Pete voted Quibby. I thought having two candidates to inspect getting several votes would be better than one. However people pulled their votes away from Quibby. Aside from that it was just kind of fun and Ironic to mimic Pete in an opposing direction. Either way I had no real reason to vote for Thorum, it was just a fun vote meant to further the day.

 

Everyone has to defend their innocence including me. I haven't said yet that I am. I don't lie and so if I go about and just flatly state it in the beginning of all the games I'm in then when I am mafia it will be difficult to play. However you can't trust that I don't lie so take it for what you will.

 

As for Thorum, I have no intention of lynching him. If the vote count gets close to 13 I will unvote and ask the same for others. I believe in pressuring people with the threat of a lynch.

 

 

To me that says - I'll vote you while it's safe so people don't think I'm reluctant to vote for scum, but if it becomes too close I'll back off for some trivial reason and not vote a team mate. Which would make you look scummier, true, and I imagine you're smart enough not to do something so obviously scummy and actually tell us about it before hand. I think you need close watching, Al.

 

And I don't feel tracking down all the other posts that are basically reiterations of this. Thank you for thinking I'm smart *Smiles*. You might regret that statement later *Wink*. Anywhosits I should probably be more serious. *Puts on serious face*

 

Nothing really has come from voting for Thorum. He didn't really defend himself, but neither did he really need to. It is day one, but in future days I'll vote the same. People are under pressure when they have votes on them and struggle against the possibility of being lynched. So basically what I was getting at is it is a means towards information. I didn't intend to lynch him because he didn't really seem scummy or anything, but it was the best course of action at the time. So I was waiting to see what happened. I've only played one game with him and we lynched him because he did seem scummy yet he ended up telling the truth. I was the SK so it didn't really matter... I digress.

 

Putting pressure on a player with votes brings about information, fact. However it can't be a prod, it has to be a credible threat. However that is why it is a group action and not an individual action. I would have reevaluated my opinion after he came on to defend himself, however he pretty much just ignored it. Which is a pretty good defense in most cases. My vote on him was for trivial reasons like most peoples are day one. So it wasn't an intent to lynch as much as an intent to get information. Right now I'm not trying to obfuscate or clarify my innocence, that can wait. Well I guess that isn't true, however it is a minor point compared to getting information. I don't just wildly accuse and attack people to see how they react. I value it, but it isn't one of my strengths. I want to leave my vote just to be contradictory, stubborn, and go against all you poking fingers. However that is being stupid and illogical. So right now from the posts I have read the person who stands out most to me is [glow=red,2,300]Unvote

Ed.[/glow]

 

Why? Metagaming. So many people think that is poor reasoning, but I think it is the best. People don't all adapt to fit the roles they are given. The roles adapt to them. Like DPR accused me of having a weird play style earlier, you can tell more about players once you know them. Ed has been really quiet this game and that isn't like him. Of course he might be lurking to try and hide a relic but *Shrug*. He also really hasn't been his mean critical self, he is nicer. Well either way metagaming stuff. I will change my vote if the group starts picking a direction, but for now I'm good. However I won't vote for myself like a young Quibby Vig so don't get any ideas... *Sticks tongue out*

 

[/End Rambling Rant]

[Thorum]

*Drowns all players*

 

;D

 

Sorry. Private joke between Kiv and me.

[Verbal32]

I'm in agreement with Danya.  I'm reluctant to vote right now, seeing that I'm unable to identify any patterns or suspicious activities that pop out at me.  I'll hold my vote for now.

[Thorum]

You're also playing this game verbal? First time I see you here

 

Good night. Please don't let me spend more time than this morning at catching up...

[Tigraine]

Kivam- thanks for the well wishes for my aunt...she could use your prayers.

 

 

Now to the game...Al, I have played in a game with you and know that you won't lie. I also know that when you want to, you can spin the truth like a top...you're kinda like an Aes Sedai in that you can make a person come to one conclusion while you meant something entirely different, all while not telling one lie.  It's admirable that you won't lie but it makes me pay more attention to what you are saying probably more than I should and therefore see hidden meanings in everything that you say.  Even with your explanations I still think that you seem scummy (possibly because of the reason above), I agree that it is necessary to bandwagon to get information, but telling the person that is in danger of being lynched that that is what you are doing, makes the whole thing pointless.

 

DPR posting so much could mean that he doesn't have a relic, but it could also be a ploy.  He could be wanting us to think that nobody would post that much if they had a relic so therefore we shouldn't even waste our time going for his....the same goes for Quibby and everyone else that is posting like crazy.  Or it could just be a mafia tactic, "post all you can so that the players that are on your team and have relics will have a less percentage of getting robbed".

 

The people that are not posting so much could be the same reasons.  It could be these people wanting to protect their relics, it could be people wanting to pretend to have something so that everyone will focus on them and their teammates, either town or mafia, can relax a little.  Or it could be a little of both mixed in both groups....I just don't know.  I just wanted to say what has been said before, "don't take everything at face value"

 

Alys- as for voting for Verbal so as not to get accidentally modkilled, I'm sorry, most of the games I am in have the non-voter modkill when there is no lynch....I should have looked back to check and see.  My apologies.

 

[glow=red,2,300]unvote[/glow]

[The Crusher]

Read some of it, busy in the office today so I won't be able to go thru things the way I would like to before I vote. 

 

But I would like Anox to answer my question from early of what exactly Thorumn did to Ping your scumdar?  If you already did explain it I apologize and will look at it later.

 

Al makes a good point about Ed.  He is playing very differently this game compared to the one game I played with him before.  He's quiet like a church mouse, not sure he's scummy or protecting a relic.

 

 

 

 

 

[Kivam]

Vote Count

 

Quibby (4) - Aemon, Thorum, DSworn, Jeran

Aemon (1) -  WWWwombat

Hybrid (1) - Nae

Barm (1) - Pandy

Crusher (1) - Ed

Thorum (3) - mcs, Lavinya, Anox

Al Jenn (4) - DPR, Hybrid, Pookie, Quibby

Anox (1) - Barm

Ed (1) - Al Jenn

 

With 24 players living, it takes 13 votes to lynch.

 

Not voting Danya, Verbal, Lia, Alanna, Crusher, Alys, Tigraine

 

[Barmacral]

Has Jeran been posting? I don't remember seeing anything from him when I did my readthrough this morning.

[Quibby]

I only recall him posting once.

[Tigraine]

Just so everybody knows, my aunt just came out of surgery and she's doing great!  Thanks everybody for your thoughts and prayers!

[Alys Kinch]

Everyone has to defend their innocence including me. I haven't said yet that I am. I don't lie and so if I go about and just flatly state it in the beginning of all the games I'm in then when I am mafia it will be difficult to play. However you can't trust that I don't lie so take it for what you will.

May seem silly of me, but this isn’t the first time this has been stated. And being a player who doesn’t make statements of innocence, I understand the sentiment. That said, I just don’t talk about it. Talking draws the wrong kind of attention, and this statement really, really bugs me. I don’t know you, but it just feels wrong. Vote: Al.

 

Alys- as for voting for Verbal so as not to get accidentally modkilled, I'm sorry, most of the games I am in have the non-voter modkill when there is no lynch....I should have looked back to check and see.  My apologies.

You confused me, that is all. :D

 

He could be wanting us to think that nobody would post that much if they had a relic so therefore we shouldn't even waste our time going for his....

It isn’t that he’s posting so much. It’s that he keeps posting directly after someone questions him. He’s in essence enabling a thief play. This tells me either he has nothing (most likely) or he knows he already gave it away. If he’s mafia, he wouldn’t have to give it away to share info as mafia intell is never monitored. (My Opinion Only!!!) That doesn't mean that he wouldn't give it to a lower profile team mate to hold on to for safer keeping. All of which just leads me back to my original point, DPR is probably not holding.

 

[DPR]

Good news, Tigs!

 

Now I have to go away again because some people don't like me posting. First it's too much, the it's how I'm postimg, and now they're probably going too say that I'm lurking...and hiding things...things that I was trying to give away with secret information before when I was doing things that you can never even understand. I probably just did somethimg when you blinked. There, I did it again.  ;)

[aemonkristen]

Wes is a lurker! We need to string him up from the nearest tree! Don't let him get away! I see that crazed, scummy glint in his eye! He's evil I tell you EVIL!  :D

[Naeann]

Everyone has to defend their innocence including me. I haven't said yet that I am. I don't lie and so if I go about and just flatly state it in the beginning of all the games I'm in then when I am mafia it will be difficult to play. However you can't trust that I don't lie so take it for what you will.

 

So, by saying you don't lie and you do make it known when you are innocent.  and you haven't yet said that you are.... that you are implying you are NOT innocent in this game?

[aemonkristen]

That's what I got out of it. But I still say Quibby has to go. I can't even say his name with chuckling. It's very distracting.

[Al Jenn Mael]

Alys you need to glow your vote one me.

 

Nae - I'm not saying either way. Yes it comes across as implying that. However I just want to make the statement clear. This is a truth I don't want to spin. If I say something straight out then it is.

 

Now what I was trying to say is I can't just claim I'm innocent in every game that I am otherwise when I am mafia people will know right away. So unless I'm pressured I won't do it. Simple as that.

 

As for that statement Alys, it feels wrong because it is partially self incriminating. There are a lot of players here that I haven't played with before and I am trying to get my play style and personality out early so it won't be wrung around down the road. Well it will be however at least the basis of it all will be out of the way.

[WWWwombat]

Lies don't really count as lies if you're scum.

[Al Jenn Mael]

Yes they do. A lie is a lie no matter what the media. However I don't know if twisting the truth is much better, I'm still trying to figure that one out

[Liathiana]

Yeah, sorry but this is Mafia and I'm not going to trust anyone that says they only tell the truth in a game, just sounds like a good set-up for a lie to win in some game later on ;)

 

[glow=red,2,300]Al Jenn[/glow] is being quite defensive and a couple of his statements that have been mentioned sound scummy to me. He's the best vote I've got going at the moment though I'm really distrustful of Danya and Verbal, they're playing it very safe and quiet.

[Alys Kinch]

Yeah, forgot to bold. I know. [glow=red,2,300]Vote: Al[/glow].

 

Also, yes, a lie is a lie, but sometimes a lie is worth it in a game. So lie when you must, but if it is about innocence, don't even bring it up. There is no point. No one will believe it.

[WWWwombat]

Lying in mafia is like huffing paint thinner.  Everyone does it.

[Al Jenn Mael]

No lying isn't worth it, plus you don't need to lie to help in a game. I'm over dramatizing all of this however it is true. One of my annoyances with society is that people as less trusting, more shallow with themselves, and overall there is less of a sense of community and neighborliness.

 

However that doesn't have to do with the game. Seems like I'm drawing all this attention and that isn't helpful to us at all. Ed is in class right now, but he hasn't been posting in this thread when he gets back I'll question him about it.

 

As for my innocence... I try to be as objective as possible even when it comes to myself. I will analyze it and try to come to the conclusion that seems right from everyone's perspective. That being said... I'm at 6 votes. Trains are hard to stop like I stated earlier. I came across to quickly and to openly. I will say that if I was mafia that isn't how I would have played. Drawing attention is always a bad idea. Some people talk about hiding right under peoples noses or out in the open and that is fine, but in this big a game and with this many people I don't know that would just be stupid.

 

So my initial argument for myself is one that gets used often. Would I really act this stupidly and obvious if I was mafia?